coolness but you'll want to grab new cvs before you do anything Action: jcater is impressed the battle goes well well, don't be it's fugly, fugly, fugly and lots of handholding but tomorrow I can polish i didn't touch designer btw ok you working tonight ? ok everything is checked in um I'm debating about trying that "sleep" thing I've heard ppl at work talk about fugly sounds like snuggly that's where I'm headed have taekwondo testing tomorrow at 10am to try and earn next belt need to rest up :) if I can't sleep, I'm sure i'll be back but otherwise... ok, if you find the time tomorrow id appreciate a second shakedown of everything ok to make sure I didn't break anything you going to write installer for gfdes? yes cool I'll study your fugliness and add to my fugliness its bad real bad well, we only need something until we but I didn't want to risk new install system holding back release can get a "real" installer ok, till tomorrow then l8r l86 jcater (jason@HubS-mcr-24-165-213-55.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: Mr Sandman, bring me a dream... 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ScreenSaver (KunoOspald@p3EE21733.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi good morning new to gnue? hi ScreenSaver yes jamest: have mozilla 9.2 running, will see what destruction it provides was running 0.8 so suppose it cant get worse :) everytime i can here, everybody is so nice :-) derek: I switched to it today too it is nice jamest: good we can comiserate in a week ScreenSaver: glad you think so when we find out what evil lies within :) ScreenSaver: any questions we can answer for you? derek: any objecttions to gnuef moving to forms wait, scratch that not this close to release :) yes perhaps ;) i agree make it forms, but after release i were here already some weeks ago ScreenSaver: ok someone told me what gnue exactly is and that it won't be a project like linux-kontor linux-kontor is right now 'sleeping' in the next few weeks i have to made a decision for a erp solution make a decision for gnue :) ScreenSaver: what do you require exactly? this program should be flexible and of course cheap. at the moment i have three programms which are matching these criterions sind Sie deutsch? my english isn't the best one of course where do you know it from (host name)? wir haben österreichische Teambauteile sher gut sehr wenn Sie Probleme übersetzend haben, helfen sie Ihnen but you aren't from austria, are you? no ich spreche nicht den Deutsch but you are quick with your dictionary (quicker than i) :) im trying hard to learn your language is very hard to learn perhaps what are the other 3 programs that match the criteria? all these programms are from small and middel size companies here in germany GNUe ist jung, aber es erhält die besser ganze Zeit i think two of them uses the caché DB wenn Sie bereit sind, es zu helfen zu wachsen, denke ich, daß Sie sind sehr glücklich sorry, but i can't imagine what you try to tell me :) yes the transaltion is probably really bad of course um in english if you are willing to put some effort into GNUe, i think you will be very happy long term what did you plan to use gnue for? sounds nice and on what scale, (how big of a company? how many users?) and when do you need it in production use? what operating systems etc about 40 employees what operating system? where in germany are you? office workplaces Windows, and Data entry workplaces Linux hmmm if you need complete solution today Saxonie, Chemnitz near Dresden i wonder what reinhard (austria) company might be able to offer you as they have commerical ERP currently that is german based (i.e. supports the language and currency) and has large install base he is working on porting it and his customers to GNUe i already have three commercial ones ah ok so you are able to slowly move to something free? i only have to choose GNUe is growing quickly but it is not fully functional ERP right now what's the name of the companie in AT wenn Sie planen auf dem Installieren http://members.aon.at/bytewise/ www.bytewise.at jamest same thing :) easier to remember for me anyway me too i just typed it in to see if i membered right and it refreshed so i cut and pasted what it was :) ScreenSaver: i must make disclaimer, that we dont advocate closed source / non free solutions but in this case bytewise is moving to free software in the near term :) i looked at it Action: derek must run away for a bit bbl but the problem is, all three programs are not splitting bussines logic and presentation neilt (neilt@dialup-63.215.116.254.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error to neilt[dialup-63.215.116.254.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net]: Connection reset by peer ok when do you need this system functional? before the end of this year what status has gnue ? as of right now forms - The UI system - is working on windows, unix platforms in GUI mode is is ready for making some basic test yes basically forms, designer, and geas work there are known issues with all of them the first release of designer is this weekend (I'm wrapping it up now) so i can try to make for example an application for creating invoices derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Ping timeout for derek[cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net] well printing the invoice will be an issue what can i do with the designer as reports isn't hitting release state for a few more weeks you can create user interfaces that forms will display for data entry you can see screenshots of all of this if you like you want a URL? derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. yes geas itself also works www.gnue.org then click the screenshots section on the left hand side there you can choose from forms or designer shots i see as for geas the major issue we still face for serious production use is authentication/security it does do username/password auth but it's easy for a person to bypass we're addressing this now also.... gnue-config (odd name) ok is a supply-chain/accounting system that is under development in cvs what's about printing? that's reports job and it's not ready yet what I do is write custom print apps and tie to buttons on forms (it's a hack I know) how do you split business logic and presentation geas it allows the user to define business objects with methods and you can access it like a database in forms like ejb? I cant say, I gave up on java tears ago tears = years and I'm not a geas expert if neil or reinhard were arround they'd be much more helpfull after forms 0.1.0 is released (soon) in the frontend you only define wich functions are called, or how is the geas connected with these forms? right now forms has 2 modes well forms has one mode 2-tier you can link to oracle, postgresql, db2, mysql, geas, odbc databases directly you can add triggers to entry fields, forms, etc, etc to do things in this mode geas is a database and nothgin more however geas does have it's own triggers/methods for business objects the way most bad apps are written is 2-tier i think. after 0.1.0 of forms is out (2-3 weeks) we're bringing forms N-tier on line that'll tie form and geas together tightly so that forms can query geas methods and call them if needed i understand right now my understanding is that geas triggers work fine so you can alter a field in 2-tier forms and "save" the changes upon saving geas w/ fire it's triggers to manipulate the data you know how to use cvs? a little ah, ok hmmm but at the moment, what can you do with geas http://subversions.gnu.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/gnue/gnue-config/ is our cvs tree on-line brb, i think my wife wants me for supper basically geas reads these files when it starts up creates the needed db structures to provide object persistance automatically bbs ok, thank you but csvweb isn't working i think shouldn't i be able to browse the tree yes hmmm http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~neilt/sc.html would be a good place to look too neilt (neilt@dialup-209.244.67.197.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ hey neilt hey back at you you going to be arround for a bit? yes cool any chance to try wxMac? i looked at the poll data and it said that accounting was 2:1 wanted over all others neilt's page is interesting i did not see wxmac in that list neilt: :) so i am banging out accounting stuff right now ScreenSaver: in what way ScreenSaver: what page? accountig package http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~neilt/sc.html ahh, yes, its real rough right now but coming along that page is the collection of docs for class designs for GEAS and a few proposals would it possible to use these files right now with geas? we have not had time to integrate that stuff into the core web site e.g. invoice.gcd ScreenSaver: yes, they all pass geas syntax checker would it be possible, after creating these files, to use them with forms? nice but we are a bit behind in implemented forms and reports and geas methods are not very good right now what do you mean? and we need some improvements in the geas driver in forms i understand that theimproved geas driver is next up after this release of forms this weekend i mean that we have gcd files, but not very many gfd and grd files what is this geas driver? in forms the interface between forms and geas there are drivers for postgresql, mysql, oracle, db2 and geas and we're about to break almost all of them :) ScreenSaver: what backend are you using? perhaps i should try it, to understand what you mean. try what? in the erp? geas and forms yes, what database system do you use geas only uses postgresql and mysql backends informix ScreenSaver: but if you wanted to write an informix driver its not too complicated and we would be real happy what does geas do with these gcd files. creates the defined objects and manages them it creates SQL tables and manages the access from forms via CORBA ORG ORB perhaps i first should get a deeper knowledge in the gnue system. i understood ScreenSaver: none of the rest of us understood what we were doing when we wrote the code ;) lol what will happen if there are already data in these tables, and i made small changes? depends on the changes if the column exists, it will not be changed for any reason you have to do it manually using SQL so it really only creates tables during the first start and on the next startup it will add columns or tables that dont exists e.g adding a property to a object and report if the tables do no agree with the class definitions ok and new property equates to a new column what's about the frontend not sure i understand how can it interact with geas? it interacts with geas through CORBA ORB ok so there is an IDL file that defines an API for the interaction and the front end can be any thing that works with CORBA we use Python but have example of Java and C, i think in cvs ok that's sounds like if you are going to create a gnu-sap? we have a major difference but functionality we cover the same business functions that difference is that we manage complexity better i don't know sap very good. so our system will scale better from small business, low complexity to larger multi-national, high complexity for the small business, you dont have to manage 25,000 tables like you do in SAP we also use objects for the n-tier (geas) most small and middel size solutions are bad yes a lot of solutions have tried to migrate from one size to another and its difficult we are designing our system with that in mind about 50% is made in a visual-basic way i wont go there, but we know those problems using the gui-designer, adding some mixed code for calculating the invoce-sum and calling the windows api to pop up the printer box which task does the report-server do? you will be able to use it to generate output in various formats and what is the status right now? a few weeks till we see any kind of release IIRC it's output an XML file of the output but does no conversion to other formats how is the report-server attached to the geas or the frontend? right now it's not it's proof of concept and when it does it will use CORBA ORB just like forms does so there is no way to print something? nothing packaged yet you could probaably use reports but it's by no means an end user product and it's not a server, more a cli tool ok