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<dnZzzz> hi makki
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<derek> you have any questions about gnue?
<jamest_> i do
<jamest_> My brain is full, can I quit now?
<jcater> hehe
<Mr_You> yesterday.. I was only able to "relax" in the car while driving a few times between 8am and 1am :-(
<derek> jamest_ you cant 'quit'
<derek> it violates the code slave agreement of 1994
<derek> must run. bye bye
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<Mr_You> hi ToyMan
<ToyMan> Hi - trying a new identity - this is stuq from yest.
<Mr_You> I dunno.. 
<Mr_You> oops
<Mr_You> whats the Toy mean?
<ToyMan> my company is Design Science *Toys*
<Mr_You> cool
<ToyMan> what's the "Mr_You"
<ToyMan> ?
<ToyMan> mean?
<Mr_You> "inside joke" with some high school friends.. when I joined IRC back in 95 or so, I just decided to use it and its stuck ever since..
<ToyMan> a name with history...
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<Mr_You> lunch for me
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<chillywilly> masta!
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<derek> hi chillywilly 
<derek> full room in here
<derek> jamest / jamest_ are logs working? i see bigbrother is back
<jcater> derek: yes
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<jamest__> why yes, derek, it is working
<jamest__> as jcater said
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<jcater> see, I told you
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<chillywilly> galeon is da bomb
<derek> i also think netscape mail has improved like 300 fold from M9-M17 days
<derek> er mozilla mail
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> same difference
<chillywilly> they keep taking and bastardizing mozilla aource into nutscrape 6
<chillywilly> 6.x
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<derek> hi ToyMan 
<ToyMan> hi derek
<ToyMan> the zip disk thing is going to take awhile
<ToyMan> you got an anon ftp site I could use?
<derek> yes and no
<ToyMan> ??
<derek> generally we dont allow ftp connections
<derek> only secure connections via ssh
<ToyMan> what's that ssh file copy thingy again?
<derek> on *nix scp
<ToyMan> that's it - let me check
<chillywilly> scp is cooler
<ToyMan> got it on my BSD box
<derek> jamest / jamest_ you here?
<ToyMan> it would be a VERY patient download - 50 megs done in chunks
Action: derek will need jamest to set you up an account on ash
<jamest_> I am here
<derek> if stu can get scp/ssh working
<derek> can you make him an account on ash so he can scp 50 megs
Action: derek was just assuming we dont ahve anon ftp up :)
<jcater> jamest: this is for you: www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/poem.txt
<chillywilly> jcater: you are a work-a-holic
<jamest_> jcater: did you get my msg?
<jcater> ye
<jcater> yes
<jcater> still thinking
<jamest_> derek: what are we transfering btw?
<derek> roflmao
<derek> jamest_: um goat p0rn what else
<chillywilly> jcater: nice poem
<jamest_> jcater: :)
<derek> no seriously stu has toy company that has m$ access based system
<derek> he woudl rather it run on freeBSD w/ GNUe
<derek> he is willing to let us a take a look at doing a gnue conversion
<derek> the 50megs is his current system
<jamest_> ok, just a sec
<Mr_You> M$ access bug is infamous for randomly losing records :-((((((
<ToyMan> yes, it sucks, gut it's quick
<Mr_You> I'm not sure how M4 fixed or is going to fix that bug.. if I recall you had to export ALL the data perform the fix, then import.
<ToyMan> nothing lost so far (running 1 year) but I'm paranoid
<ToyMan> backups of backups
<Mr_You> but you won't know if its lost unless you happen to look for that record
<Mr_You> yeah backups are good
<Mr_You> the scaring thing when it came out was that many doctors offices run access
<ToyMan> well, nothing we've been able to notice
<chillywilly> using a real database is better though, access is just a toy ;)
<chillywilly> sorry, bad joke
<jamest_> stuart are you seeing any of my private msgs to you?
<ToyMan> no
<jamest_> I'm trying to setup your account
<jamest_> i need a username you like
<ToyMan> first (almost) time using IRC
<ToyMan> ToyMan will do
<jamest_> names like sadisticFreak are all aliased to derek so you can't have them
<ToyMan> ahh.. new tabby thing, just a sec..
<derek> toyman what version of access you using?
<derek> as i would almost go out on a limb and say it might not be too bad to convert your data to PostGRES
<derek> and still ahve it work with access front end
<derek> though i would rather just replace whole thing with GNUe :)
Action: jamest_ loves access
<jcater> hehe
<ToyMan> what I worry about is all the unsupported extensions that postgres wouldn't know what to do with
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<jamest_> ah, gnue.org is down again
<jcater> argh!
<jamest_> i really need to get that domain moved to ash.gnuenterprise.org
<jcater> I was looking at lxr last night
<jcater> you mind if I install it on ash?
<jamest_> please do
<jcater> I was thinking of doing an hourly update (to make it a little more useful)? or is that too often?
<jamest_> I've already got the cvs sync setup
<jcater> how often is it syncing?
<jamest_> daily
<jamest_> i've got the link in /etc/cron.daily/
<jcater> ok
<jamest_> you can bump up
<ToyMan> derek: using access '97
<jcater> hey bigbrother... you doing timestamps yet?
<jamest_> ToyMan: derek was booted when gnue.org went down
<jamest_> jcater: I shut them off originally
<ToyMan> oh well
<jcater> jamest_: any particular reason why?
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<reinhard> man i am sick
<reinhard> for two weeks or even more i was working 8:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. or like that
<reinhard> _real_ work of course :)
<reinhard> and now i see light at the end of the tunnel
<reinhard> and i finished work for today at 8:00 p.m.
<reinhard> and i should spend some time with wife or just watch tv or hang around with friends
<reinhard> but what do i do????
<reinhard> gnue!!!
<reinhard> seems like noone can get me off my computer :)
<chillywilly> hehe
<Mr_You> heh, be careful tho ;-)
<chillywilly> reinhard: go do something non-computerish before your wife murders you
<reinhard> :)
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<jamest_> good reinhard good
<jamest_> don't listen to the others about life
<jamest_> they lie
<jamest_> gnue is life
<jamest_> life is gnue
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<Mr_You> hehe
<chillywilly> heh
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<reinhard> nite all
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<chillywilly> hey guys
<chillywilly> http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-07-19-010-20-PR-CY
<chillywilly> good stuff happening
<chillywilly> something enterprise related
<chillywilly> http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-07-19-007-20-PR-HE
<Mr_You> post to gnuenterprise.org
<chillywilly> http://www.boycottadobe.com/
<chillywilly> adobe are really some bastards
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<stuq> back in, but just lurking
<jamest_> you didn't miss anything
<jamest_> we're kinda quiet lately
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<jamest_> bbl
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<neilt> chillywilly: you here?
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<dneighbo> who hoo
<dneighbo> is unixGh0d here?
<dneighbo> anyone know how to use sort or sed worth a stink?
<dneighbo> i need to sort a tab delimited file
<dneighbo> i cant get sort to work how i expect it to
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<neilt> nope
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<benno> morning all
<jamest> morning
<benno> have you had a chance to look at the patch I sent?
<jamest> IIRC it got worked in
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<benno> ok cool
<derek> jamest: you here?
<jcater> uh, oh... run!
<derek> jcater: i have been gone all day because..............
<derek> of 'code red'
<derek> ;)
<jcater> the new mountain dew drink?
<derek> it seems to have attacked the cisco equipment
<derek> of qwest (teleco)
<derek> and dsl services are affected
<derek> code red = nasty worm virus
<jcater> icky
<derek> twas designed to exploit IIS
<derek> and it does so
<derek> it plants itself and propogates like hell
<derek> but a SIDE EFFECT
<derek> it is queries anythign with an IP when trying ot propogate
<derek> the 'finger' it sends
<derek> hangs cisco routers :)
<derek> so you have to upgrade firmware or reboot after everyattack
<benno> yay :)
<derek> currently most IPs are reporting about an attack every 10 minutes
<benno> there was another dodgy fix, changing the admin port from 80 to something else
<derek> if you grep your access logs for NNNNNNNNN you will probably see how often its hit you
<derek> trying to plant itself
<derek> benno: turning off webmin features doesnt work :(
<derek> it still toasts 
<derek> anyhow found it interesting as first time ever been effected by such a thing
<benno> yeah turning off doesn't work, but apparently you can change the port it runs on to fix it..
<benno> (just parrotting what i read on /. so it could be full of it ;)
<derek> i cant test as i cant log into it :(
<derek> and network admin gone for day 
<benno> oh crap :(
<jcater> so? we only have to put up w/you for 10 minutes?
<derek> jcater: you let jamest escape again?
<derek> jcater: nope, youre fscked
<derek> im at home now, where im not affected
<jcater> hehe
<jcater> now we just have to worry about the "wife" virus
<derek> she isnt here
<jcater> argh!
<derek> ive got work for work to do so i will leave you alone :)
<jamest>  /msg jcater you still have the DoS_Masta script I sent you?
<derek> however, i got a ton of a mailers
<derek> from LinuxWorldExpo
<derek> that are free entries into exhibit hall
<derek> about 150-300 i assume
<derek> were we gonna do postcard marketing?
<jcater> sure
<derek> or do you get bulkmail discounts?
<derek> i can mail them to you priority mail
<jcater> I don't think I get bulk mail discounts
<jcater> will have to check
<derek> ok i can mail then
<derek> i want to get postcard marketing slicks at some point
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<derek> hmmm we need to find way to fund forms developers, its just not fair you guys have to run everywhere when the geas developers can afford to drive
Action: jamest can see it now......
<jamest> We at the Buy those loser forms developers a new car foundation need your help
<derek> :)
<jamest> Everyday wuss python coder are forced to walk to and from the places they need to go.
<derek> hmm maybe we could use gnucomm/bayonne to automate the telemarketing?
<jamest> Out of their natural basement environment, these coders are force to endure what they call the "big bright thing in the sky"
<jamest> Besides.......
<derek> piss we need security soon
<derek> :)
<derek> was going to write expense report application
<derek> from corporate perspecitve
<derek> but this is problematic, as generally you dont want others seeing others expense reports
<jamest> <camera pans away from announcer to show jcater in his dust puppy t-shirt, carring a mt dew, squinting, and sweating profusly>
<derek> and if you made so only corporate can deal with expense report it defeats purpose
<jamest> Do you really want things like this roaming your neighborhood?
<derek> roflmao
<derek> i almost fell out of chair
<nickr> ahahah
<derek> is there way in deisgner to make form bigger?
<jamest> nope
<derek> yip 
<derek> there is :)
<derek> yeah
<jamest> how
<jamest> I was just trying that
<derek> go to the form in the tree
<derek> then in property editor
<derek> change its attrbutes
<derek> :)
<jamest> :)
<derek> crap my eye and caay ceys arent worceeng
<jamest> dude
<jamest> was at clients today
<jamest> one of their machines wasn't running their invoice lookup program 
<jamest> i took look at it
<jamest> it was a pre-0.0.1 forms 
<jamest> I had wrappered up
<jamest> no menus, text login, no status bar, text only inputs
<derek> et es weerd my eye cay and comma dont worc
<derek> they are all en verteecal row
<jamest> like a blast from the past man
<derek> :)
<jamest> that's ok, you'll type like me then
Action: derek wll be bac as a root boot fxed ths one other tme
<derek> fsc
<jamest> :)
<derek> me cant type quet
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<derek> joy joy joy
<derek> still all busted
<derek> and seeing how i is in my password
<derek> i cant get back into my laptop and i have work that i need for tomorrow on there...
<jamest> plug in external keyboard
<derek> sigh a feel long night with dell tonight and tomorrow
<derek> jamest: DUH!!!!!
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<jamest> ok, so what the excuss for the 40% of the time you're not pissed off then?
<jamest> :P
<derek> dont have one
<derek> well the keyboard works
<derek> BUT
<derek> means no mouse
<jamest> the touchpad doesn't work?
<derek> as only one ps/2 input and i dont have the magic splitter
<derek> sure it works
<derek> but using external keyboard
<jcater> mice are for wussies
<jcater> (unless you are using designer, in which case it
<jcater> is mandatory)
<derek> i was planning on designer
<derek> thats what i was doing when it broked
<jamest> rock!
<derek> well good news, dell answered phone w/in 5 minutes
<benno> no way!
<derek> and the FIRST person i talked to was the person that could help
<derek> the bad news
<jamest>  /msg jcater that new toastDereksHardware config option worked
<derek> they cant get someone out tomorrow
<derek> which means is monday before fixed
<derek> guess that means im done for tonight 
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<derek> i suppose i could try to get stuff to work on windows?
<jamest> sure
<derek> nah... see you guys tomorrow
<derek> bye bye
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<jamest>  /msg jcater you finding that the gnuef internals aren't quite right for the new drivers :)
<jcater>    /msg jamest I think we should gut and start all over
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<jamest> argh!
<chillywilly> lol
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<jcater>     /msg jamest let's con chillywilly into doing it
<jamest>  /msg jcater he'll never know what hit him
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Action: jamest is thankfull masta gave him access to the tracking collar frequencies
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<jamest> :)
<chillywilly> haha! this isn't your typical desktop publising winders box
<chillywilly> there's no segfaults here
<jcater> I'm pretty impressed with KOffice's offerings
<jcater> I may just have to switch over to KDE and KOffice for basic DP
<chillywilly> *sigh*
<chillywilly> KDE guys are such bastards
<jcater> And ximian gnome guys are the light of the earth
<chillywilly> ximian isn't Gnome
<benno> http://it.mycareer.com.au/news/2001/07/17/FFXBO2R47PC.html?NWeeklyH
<jamest> and I'm an all arround great guy
<chillywilly> what are they gonna do when the code syas copyright FSF eh?
<jcater> who?
<chillywilly> they can't take over Gnome they don't really have rights to the core code anyway
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<jcater> I'm going back to my hole
<jcater> benno: cool
<benno> nice to see some of the governments in this country aren't as totally stupid as our federal government
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<Rafterman> i don't suppose someone would be able to fill me in on the meaning/origin of:
<Rafterman> Waddaya mean "Moo! M-Moo! Moo! Moo!"?...."Sheep ya dern fool!
<jamest> old droopy cartoon
<jamest> jcater put "Moo!" as the status
<jamest> made me think of it
<Rafterman> fair nuf then.
<jamest> so I vandalized his baby
<jamest> It should actually be Ba, ba, ba, bah