it was one of those, I'll hardcode it to make sure it works, then add code to find the correct path of course, I committed and forgot the latter :-P Action: derek remembers to make Rafterman test release builds since he has installed things in non standard place, good to test breakage :) well if *someone* would give me write access to /usr/local... :) committed can you slurp CVS and try again? sweet jcAway: which institution? Nick change: ajbusy -> ajmitch institution? aha! it works again. thanks for that. no prob thanks for bringing problems to our attention gotta run later Nick change: ajmitch -> ajbusy Nick change: ajbusy -> ajmitch ajmitch (ajmitch@p36-max6.dun.ihug.co.nz) left irc: Read error to ajmitch[p36-max6.dun.ihug.co.nz]: No route to host reinhard (rm@62.47.44.45) joined #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (ajmitch@p1-max2.dun.ihug.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (baumannd@d10.as27.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Write error to chillywilly[d10.as27.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net], closing link chillywilly_ (baumannd@d10.as27.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: ajmitch -> ajbusy Nick change: chillywilly_ -> chillywilly chillywilly (baumannd@d10.as27.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Ping timeout for chillywilly[d10.as27.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net] chillywilly (baumannd@d10.as27.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Ping timeout for dres_[4.18.171.42] Rafterman (tim@lister.sesgroup.net) left irc: home time vincenzo (io@62-122-75-59.flat.galactica.it) joined #gnuenterprise. vincenzo (io@62-122-75-59.flat.galactica.it) left #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (baumannd@d10.as27.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: vincenzo (io@62-122-75-59.flat.galactica.it) joined #gnuenterprise. hi hi vincenzo i am here now well excuse me for last time no prob do u have time to continue the test? yes do we go in private? think it's better to do it here ok others could be interested in the issues ok I try to launch addrbook.py, just a momento ok it tell me: failed to load CORBA module ok please type: python oh, just a momento >>> import CORBA I must launch geas :-)) oh no no? ah for the test you don't need geas now we will now test if orbit-python is installed correctly ok tell me python >>> import CORBA what does these 2 lines give you? I must write it? yes at the command line, sorry the >>> you need not write, it's the python prompt ok Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in ? ImportError: no module named CORBA ok thanks it seems you don't have orbit-python installed you can get it from http://orbit-python.sault.org/ ok, just a moment I go to see vincenzo (io@62-122-75-59.flat.galactica.it) left irc: Ping timeout for vincenzo[62-122-75-59.flat.galactica.it] vincenzo (io@62-122-75-59.flat.galactica.it) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard: do u read my messages? you were away just now last i got from you was ok, just a moment I go to see <-- vincenzo has quit (Ping timeout for vincenzo[62-122-75-59.flat.galactica.it]) --> vincenzo (io@62-122-75-59.flat.galactica.it) has joined #gnuenterprise reinhard: do u read my messages? ok I launched addrbook.py and all it's ok!! hey cool so you can play yes please tell me if and you could look at forms at a next step GNUe-forms is a good program client for a newbye? well it's the best mostly because it's the only one :) :-)) ok is it have a gui for pc clients? but with gnue forms i would advise you to wait till afternoon yes for pc clients gnue forms runs on why? gnome/gtk and on windows well because in the afternoon jamest and jcater will be here they are the gnue forms specialists ok, thanks so much! I would like to tell you... that u helped a italian social cooperative you helped a free software project :) it's a trying to give a job to disabled people noting is more important for free software than having people that use the program in web-design and networking sure vincenzo: good project that you are doing there k must get lunch now :) Nick change: reinhard -> rm-lunch see you later if you can take a look see www.comunita.org/utopia hi and thanks so.... vincenzo (io@62-122-75-59.flat.galactica.it) left #gnuenterprise. vincenzo (io@62-122-75-59.flat.galactica.it) joined #gnuenterprise. I have a problem with installation of GNUe-forms because it ask me pyXML but I already installed it, why? anybody help me? vincenzo (io@62-122-75-59.flat.galactica.it) left irc: KVirc 2.1.0 'Dark Star' Nick change: rm-lunch -> reinhard gnuebot (eggdrop@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o gnuebot' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ welcome back gnuebotty! long time no see har har har :) gnuebot (eggdrop@alt1.libertydistribution.com) left irc: Ping timeout for gnuebot[alt1.libertydistribution.com] jamest_ (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (baumannd@d62.as15.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ariel (ariel@rm3-315.dialup.tiscalinet.it) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard? here Nick change: ajbusy -> ajzzzz ariel (ariel@rm3-315.dialup.tiscalinet.it) left irc: Ping timeout for ariel[rm3-315.dialup.tiscalinet.it] Nick change: jcAway -> jcater ra3vat (ds@195.239.66.45) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hi ra3vat hey hi jamest_ i bastardized your baby some this weekend reinhard: you sent mail from ariel, but i dont quite understand what he is saying. i sent mail ? i answered mail from ariel i sent mail from vincenzo which do you mean? :) yeah http://iwsun4.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/01/07/23/010723oppetreley.xml is kind of funny derek: which copy of gnuef? not the branch you will need to make similar changes in the branch though you changed visibleCount to rows but didnt fully implement it at least in the main tree i FULLY deprecated visibleCount(i.e. its gone) and promoted rows instead i started to change the sample forms as well just an FYI if you grab from the main branch you will have to fix forms ? Action: jcater tried to tell him not to do it rofl jamest_: if you have existing forms that use visibleCount, you will have to change that to rows for your forms to function properly IIRC the branch already had that change made again IIRC branch might have main did not the issue was that GFEntry.py had support for rows and not visible count however UIBase.py new only about rows and not visiblecount \msg jamest are you as shocked as I that he coded??? so i had fix one way or the other to get working :) i figured why fix to work with visible count ???? originally was going to be nice and make both work as to not break forms, but after general consesus with a birdie (to remain unamed) it was decided to eliminate visibleCount internally everything was still visibleCount sounds like something got cross ref'd UIBase was all visibleCount GFEntry was rows now should be no record visibleCount existed Action: derek new he should have sent patch file :) Index: UIbase.py =================================================================== RCS file: /home/cvs/gnue/gnuef/src/UIbase.py,v retrieving revision 1.40 diff -r1.40 UIbase.py 324c324 I wonder if jamest will be on today? < while count < int(event.data.visibleCount): --- > while count < int(event.data.rows): 356,357c356,357 < if not hasattr(object,'visibleCount'): < object.visibleCount = 1 --- > if not hasattr(object,'rows'): > object.rows = 1 359c359 < object.visibleCount = int(object.visibleCount) --- > object.rows = int(object.rows) 374c374 < for spacer in range(int(object.visibleCount)): --- > for spacer in range(int(object.rows)): dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue/gnuef/src$ http://da.state.ks.us/kito/ is something you may want to see jamest_, shows where your state is spending its cash on IT i would read the annual report, cept only available in word 97 format hey how do you guys feel about government sites running private sector advertising on thier sites? http://www.civic.com/civic/articles/2001/0723/web-iowa-07-23-01.asp jcater: gfdesigner is still segfaulted for me even after latest commits bye bye derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: [x]chat ToyMan (stuq@c5300-4-ip206.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest_: You home? jamest_: didn't quite finish sending down all of the files yet but my password is no longer accepted on the ssh account you set up huh? I didn't touch that account hmm... using the same password as before do the security certificates run out after a certain time period? IIRC, I think ssh certs do but I ferget whoops, my mistake too many virtual identities and open terminals for my poor brain to track GARRRRRRGHHHH been looking for bug in new gnuef everything looks good just now noticed that my devel db server had locked up over the weekend which DB do you do devel on? postgresql but the devel machine has a flaky NIC here I _know_ that but was brain dead this morning I guess ra3vat (ds@195.239.66.45) left irc: Client Exiting dres (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo (dneighbo@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. morning all howdy ToyMan : i see 5 files out on ash we getting close? :) i will grab tonight, but probably wont get to dig in till end of month jamest: i have start for expense report application done, before had to start working on hcs which prompted me to think.... we really need a mass mailing tool for GNUe's CRM package :) Action: dneighbo knows mass email is evil but when you have customers and not random spam it is important hmm there are tons of options there dneighbo: that's about it for the files there's an Admin.mdb with accnt rec reports and stuff like that but that is all pretty standard issue personally I'd prefer to have a "customers@domain.com" address and let the mail server/lists manager do the rest dneighbo : when you start to dig we should go live audio the 'structure' of things is quite a mess had to keep backwards compatibility with an old DOS app while developing the new one Action: ToyMan is away: I'm busy Mr_You the problem is mailmerging you cant do that with a mail list if you want to send 'custom' forms with customer info in a mass email that is personalized a mail list wont do that that i know of, also you want manifests of what was shipped to whom with data time etc a custom forms? so taht you can track your 'correspondence' oh Mr_You say i have a says letter and i want it to say Dear Chuck, the letter is the same for everyone just a few 'key' items are 'mail merged' for lack of better word now granted we could say this is the word processors job so GNUe doesnt need to do it but i think there is value in doing so for many reasons, but thats an aside :) i banged something out in PHP to do this as i had immediate need and all other stuff for this clietn is in PHP I see.. for example.. billing invoices via email Mr_You yip that woudl be REAL good use :) and one i need ;-) in fact my ISP started doing that :) and then they send confirmation of payment as well well GNUe could act as a MUA... message user agent.. just connect right up to sendmail yip anyhow i have some ideas basically woudl be extension of our CRM stuff sounds good and probably tie into reports so in you invoice sample thats just a standard report and on bill day it runs that report and mails or prints based on users configuration ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.173) joined #gnuenterprise. hmm I like that idea.. I also like the idea of the end user of GNUe being able to have reports auto-generated and auto-emailed if requested. with bayonne add auto faxed as an option as well :) ToyMan is gone right? ToyMan when you return and see this do you do any email marketing campaigns etc?? off your customer base? Action: dneighbo is curious of full value well you could autofax without bayonne by using hyla fax Mr_You you certainly could, but i dont look forward to writing a new interface for every fax server :) bayonne will do that :) so we just write to bayonne's API hyla fax can send a fax with an email and it talks to various fax services for use :) Action: jcater has his hylafax <-> gnue-forms interfaces working :) sweet you end up using xml-rpc for your client/server issue? jcater: you here? stuq (stuq@216.238.227.231) joined #gnuenterprise. wonder if chilly went to free dmitry rally today in chicago ra3vat : what has news been like in your area on the dmitry/adobe thing? is it getting any press? yes of couse in that places i'm checking in ra3vat what are they saying in Russia area? he is a russian national right? i know that USA would throw a fit if USA national was arrested in such a way in USSR yeah I'm against the DMCA in the sense of technology being restricted. think so :) He is from Moscow it is another country but for it in the basic rights of the owner what hylafax gateway? dneighbo: but, but, but he's not american, non-americans can be treated differently can't they? dneighbo: I mean it's not like he's american and we all know that america (and her companies) are always right j/k btw :) jamest_: do we agree that geas should run on non-linux systems also? reinhard: yes we agree even non-american ones :) is there a glibc on those systems that is can we use GNU libc extensions in geas or should we stick to posix or to whatever? Action: jcater votes on sticking to posix personally I'd prefex posix k that way they can cauth each russians who have computer even going with war as noneone here care about DMCA example: option processing posix getopt doesn't support long options and glibc has argp which does a lot of magic including --help output generation etc. but using this would make it non-portable to non-glibc can glibc not run on other systems? Action: dneighbo is slightly confused not being from the unix world? dneighbo: probably it can i would prefer to see us use glibc (for freedom reasons) the question is do we want to _depend_ on glibc if that means someone running solaris picks up a dependency its worth it to me glibc is part of gcc? Mr_You: no if it means someone using solaris can NOT use geas then its not worth it if that makes sense glibc is it's own package i dont mind the dependency in the name of freedom hmm.. see if there is a port at sunfreeware.com glibc is fairly heavyweight IIRC but if using glibc limits on which systems we can run then we shouldnt use it it's not some small package to be installed on another Unix system it has big overhead dneighbo: my basic understanding is libc exists on every *N*X system libc does, glibc doesn't right? hmmm glibc is a free implementation of libc with a bunch of extensions yeah other UN*Xes have other implementations of libc basically the only reason i care is we should promote other pieces of teh GNU project and encourage people to care about freedom dneighbo: beginning with Solaris 8, Sun includes a Companion CD which has tons of GNU and Perl stuff.. however, i dont wish to do so at ANY cost replacing solaris libc with glibc would be like building a mercedes motor into a fiat :) didn't mean to say solaris is a fiat btw :) rofl this sucks ok like mercedes motor into a ferrari doesn't fit either :) reinhard: you could have both installed on a system tho.. is there way to make it so you can define which you wish to use at compile time it's more like using a dump truck when all you are doing is planting a small garden :) and have our default be glibc yeah i just thought about that stuq_ (stuq@c5300-1-ip243.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. and just use lowest common denominator? jcater: ;-) stuq (stuq@216.238.227.231) left irc: Ping timeout for stuq[216.238.227.231] if we are on a gnu system we could use argp and have long options, help text and all if we are on a non-gnu (non-glibc) system long options will be disabled i know little about glibc so im just talking out loud reinhard : exactly still not sure if that would be a good idea if its not "expensive" it would be nice to have the option of local/stock libs or optional libs.. me either :) just asking :) to have different program options depending on compile platform done during the porting process reinhard: yes but then again i hate to reinvent the wheel just because on some platforms the wheel has not yet been invented so to say Action: dneighbo still wonders if making dependency of glibc is all that horrid? yes probably it makes geas unusable for jamest and neilt (solaris and osx ) derek: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:cWdXwC_N2Qo:mail.gnome.org/pipermail/gnome-devel-list/1999-August/002162.html+glibc+non-linux&hl=en&lr=lang_en maybe this is why redhat invented popt which is just another library to parse command line options stuq_ so there are things in your access stuff you dont like, i.e. that you carried for compatability to the DOS application? yeah, it restricted what I could do designing the tables I'm slowly cutting out the old stuff and transitioning