ajmitch (ajmitch@p1-max2.dun.ihug.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout for ajmitch[p1-max2.dun.ihug.co.nz] ajmitch (ajmitch@p1-max2.dun.ihug.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. Rafterman (tim@lister.sesgroup.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: ajmitch -> ajbusy Nick change: ajbusy -> ajmitch Nick change: ajmitch -> ajbusy reinhard (rm@62.47.44.7) joined #gnuenterprise. hi reinhard hi chillywilly Rafterman (tim@lister.sesgroup.net) left irc: [x]chat Nick change: jcater -> jcAway Action: chillywilly wonders is jcAway ever sleeps nope I'm actually about to drive 1:45 to other office when are you gonna sleep? when other ppl are at the office :) heh I've found that to be a great way to cut back on dumb computer questions you are a work-a-holic like: example of a dumb question: I changed my root filesystem type, but didn't make a good bootdisk; can I recover lol you guys know anything about sendmail? Action: chillywilly uses exim sigh ok guess i have to move this crap to a production server sendmail is a bitch to configure as im too lame to understand sendmail sendmail is lame :P I see a lot of people lately using postfix but exim on debian is easy to setup...I just run eximconfig sigh now the bastard sends confirmation that it worked Action: derek wants to kick someones ass :) Action: derek runs to bed before people get hurt :) hehe chillywilly: you saw Me2000's problem with compiling geas? ummmm probably :P he tried to compile with mysql support and got error messages when linking undefined external references to all the mysql functions even though the command line contains /usr/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.a and all those symbols are defined in that file derek had the same problem Me2000 is rh 7.0 not sure what distro derek runs but i just don't understand it :( me neither maybe they have an old version of mysql libs i thought of that too but i checked with nm and mysql_init is defined in that lib and the compiler bitches about mysql_init (among others) wow just use postgres a real databse :P hehe jcAway (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: Ping timeout for jcAway[w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net] yeah, I guess I should try to compile it with mysql dres__ (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres__ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Ping timeout for dres__[4.18.171.42] dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) got netsplit. dres__ (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) got lost in the net-split. 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Zhang_Wu_Xiang (hehe@61.5.0.69) left irc: Ping timeout for Zhang_Wu_Xiang[61.5.0.69] Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest_ (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. my team lead mentioned possibly hiring me back or something.. I doubt it tho. good luck yeah who knows.. I'm just laying off the caffeinated coffee so I don't go crazy.. ;-) yesterday I was pretty wired then crashed hard.. hey, double choco latte is coming out with a new version any day.. typo3.com this summer.. I think I'm gonna run both.. after installing and checking them out ra3vat (ds@195.239.66.36) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat_ (ds@195.239.66.36) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat_ (ds@195.239.66.36) left #gnuenterprise. hi all hi back jamest: hi, did you get my messages yesterday? yip got them this morning was playing house repairman yesterday I'm all for getting true i18n in forms however I know there are a couple calls to string() in the code to eliminate unicode types as they were making my solaris install puke seems it need less work than I thought it needs lless work? than I thought, that is :) you mean with the changes you described we'll have i18n? i'm almost positive the key input trap will choke on unicode yea, next step I'll try to install under windows and play on entries input without those changes it throws an exception now it works with different encodings cool is there any objection to put encoding="bla-bla-bla" into xml header? well, we want i18n and from the sound of your mail it's required for i18n support so I have no objections ok what it should be by default encoding="ISO8859-1" ? or what? well, what's std these days for the net :) you'll have to forgive me but I'm 100% (l)american so I don't really know what the international std is at one time i thought it was the english language and thus probably some english encoding was std but the whole unicode thing i know hardly anything about ToyMan (stuq@c5300-4-ip206.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard_ (rm@N801P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Those who say it can't be done should never stop those who are actually doing it. 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I looked and looked but I don't see it http://www.phpnuke.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=FAQ&file=index&myfaq=yes&id_cat=3&categories=Themes+Support aaaah thnak you very much is where I got what I needed to create the theme oh yeah I also cheated just copied the default theme and played with it so have I I haven't started changing it yet though man what? What manual page do you want? hehe ok, how do I change the color of an image with the gimp I know the value I want in hex the mainbar image is the one at the top right? man as in man kde rocks my socks Action: dneighbo is so sad Action: chillywilly is too i hate seeing you use KDE, but i cant say i blame you :( i still have gnome too and will support both personally I prefer windowmaker i used too prefer windowmaker and all of them can run all of their apps in either environment but I switched to make things easier on users i'll support gnome and kde here with most people currently running gnome ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.246) joined #gnuenterprise. I blame you jamest_ :P go ahead it's all your friggin fault you open source desktop freak two things would make me switch back to gnome full time 1) burn mozilla and mc and replace w/ something like konqueror jamest_ please try galeon just run konqueror in gnome 2) get a running gnome setup to NOT automagically compensate for the hardware I throw at it what about nautilus kde screams on anything I've put it on, gnome crawls what do you think it is? a bloated slow piece of crap i tried it for several days nah, it is better if you run oaf-slay once ina while galeon is the shit i'll load it up but the more I use konq the more I wonder why people bother w/ mozilla I don't use mozilla at all I only use galeon it is very opera like imho i very much like galeon what is an apt site for galeon not perfect and probably not Konq that doesn't require running sid but its very clean and easy to use and loads fast i still use mozilla for mail as evolution is a piece of shit yeah what is an apt site for galeon they keep breaking things with it though I'm willing to try it out hold on a sec jaemst_ i only have running on redhurt deb http://pandora.debian.org/~robot101/mozilla / but I'm not too concerned as running a GPL'd Konq based upon a GPL'd qt is GPL enough for me ugh when people tell me GPL'd apps aren't GPL'd enough I start to worry about them a little :) got o #kde and try to get involved qith then talk baout how much the GPL is omportant to protecting our freedom and let me know hoe they treat you and what they say jamest: hehe umm.. it's a matter of philosphy you can still use the GPL and still be an opne source guy who thinks that proprietary software is ok sigh, you'd think I was still using ximian here check out this error msg Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: galeon: Depends: mozilla-browser (>= 2:0.9.1) but it is not installable you need the latest moz from sid that's why I dunno id they have one for potato s/id/if are you running testing? or stable testing hmmm testing still has M18 sigh blech I wonder if you could just get the sid debs and force them to install well not really force them but just try dpkg -i :) I'll hold off for a while, I'm pretty swamped Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.3-7), libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0), libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.10-1), libjpeg62, libmng1 (>= 1.0.1-0), libpng2(>=1.0.12), libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2, xlibs (>> 4.0.3), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.3), libnspr-cvs4 (= 0.0.20010724.22.trunk-1) if you have all of those it should work er, you can ignore libnspr oh maaaasssttttaaaaa you here? im here let me comment on the philosphy thing found someone we might want to harrass http://linuxartist.org artists using GNU/Linux to me it doesnt matter if GPL or not as long as its free GPL is preferred HOWEVER, i do have issue with commerical interest and COPYRIGHT well I also support GNU and the core Gnome code is copyright FSF the Kompany has no accountablity so they can extend thier products with ease once they get market share and set us back i.e. slowly take freedom away, like PHP has started to do Action: jamest_ thinks back to the not so distant past with GNOME ximian could do this as well but its mroe difficult as they still do dual assignment of copyright wasn't the kompany the victim of helixcode's creative ad purchasing and FSF watchs them a little better well I don't see that happening Miguel is on the FSF board surely, he cares about freedom jamest_ yes as stated just now ximian can be evil too just we are better armed because they dual copyright while GPL is GPL and we would always have Qt code etc that has been released under the GPL we would then have no teeth as obviously if the copyright holders are screwign us, they wouldnt want to give us power to resubvert control to a free state with dually assigned code we have the teeth should the original authors go ape shit see the difference between open source guys are free software guys is that free software guys think that all code should be free the open source guys are only doing it for the prag,atic nebefits of open development er, benefits but bottom line i see no problem with KDE it just saddens me that gnome is dropping the ball however, freedom is pragmatic in itself qt and kde are gpl'd programs they can't take them back jamest_ you are correct they can not take them back they can't really even fork them to more restrictive licences jamest_ sure they can if they own copyright they can do anything they please they can change the license collectively but you still have the old free versions PHP moved away from GPL between version 3 and 4 heh I emailed them as sson as they did it while we still have php3 under gpl because they did it gradually and underhandly they guy said he did it so he could work on it when he started at IBM there was a full user base for php4 BEFORE they change the license fully because nothign was official those licenses werent valid because the license was SLIGHTLY less restrictive er more people tolerated it if they continue to slide a little at a time the GPL branches will be so out dated it will be difficult to move heh, when I questioned whether php3 was dual licensed under GPL he was trying to tell me it wasn't even though the COPYING file was sitting their with the code that is already the case with php3 vs php4 the branch had a year lag which no one was willing to pickup anyhow as stated i see no problem running kde/qt they are gpl adn sufficient protect us short of being paranoid i just am sad for gnome dropping the chance to shine thats all not to burst any bubbles but has anyone looked at the copyright status of gnome it's an absolute nightmare just a quick look at orbit.c for instance slowly our freedom erodes....how is it truely freedom if it is not protected....if you take the BSD philosphy and extedn it then theoretically according to the doctionary the freest society is one with no laws, but we no that realistically we need to protect theses freedoms, hhence the GPL is needed to protect software freedom * ORBit: A CORBA v2.2 ORB * * Copyright (C) 1998 Richard H. Porter and Red Hat Software jamest_ I agree it is a nightmare oh yes, we know Gnome is a mess so the argument against kde doesn't stand most if the core stuff is FSF well, the reason I defected (and yes I was running KDE 2.0 at the time) is because of my personal experiences with the developers the main things that decide my software usage are: license, quality, and continued development.. besides that i don't give a rats ass chillywilly: a thing you should know wrt methods code currently methods code depends on geas.h yes? which is generated by orbit-idl uh huh because methods code has parameters of type GEAS_Connection etc. but geas.h is generated by orbit-idl and is placed in the src/ directory and methods code is in src/methods/ and is compiled before src/ so we have to ship geas.h in the distribution which is actually not correct because it is generated and we should not ship it because it could cause problems w/ different orbit versions good god so chillywilly: when you rewrite method code you should try to make it not depend on geas.h if possible I have an app here that says it needs root access to perform it's function, it provides a Remember Password checkbox for the root password? yip otherwise we would have to place that orbit-idl generated file into a subdirectory chillywilly: got me? :) maybe hehe :P jamest_ last i checked redhat was assigning copyright to FSF on GPL/LGPL works so copyright red hat coudl == copyright fsf but you are correct it is in sad state of affairs yip we are about only project i know of recently that really tries to enforce it we are rubbing off though :) i think David Sugar gets it and is trying to institute for Bayonne/GNUComm and Free Developers Dave totally gets it ;) jamest_ aslo look at gnome-db i asked rodrigo who had copyright aaahhhh he said some guy you said that word again! gave to him ni ni ni! and he didnt even know how to get a hold of him lol etc etc etc and then never kept track of contributor so about 1/3 of the code no one could reasonably even track down the author and this is a GNOME project so i.e. part of GNOME :) i will state again i think KDE/Qt is fine freedom wise hell its GPL im just sad at teh state of gnome :) something interesting glimpse for the word Copyright in gnome-core what was linux artist url? my backlog dont go that far :) and i didnt capture it Red Hat, Ximian, Eazel, FSF, FSF Inc(?), lots of individuals http://linuxartist.org ah i swas doing with s linuxartists.org :) makes a difference curious to see what FSF records say if you grep them for red hat eazel ximian as it might be common practice to assign copyright but leave your own i.e. i assign to free sofwtare but i put copyright Derek Neighbors for vanity in case of red hat, ximian, eazel i.e. they want credit at this point im not too worried i just want to make sure we keep gnue clean :) yes, I want to avoid things like the python incident python incident? are you talking about the GP compatibility stuff or somethng else? er, GPL too many people had their copyright on the code i _think_ someone got their feathers ruffled when the python coders switched employers and some got left behind so they played the copyright card that's the reason python is still trying to regain GPL compatibility as it was/is a legal mess ah Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) left irc: home l8r all reinhard (rm@N816P003.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Those who say it can't be done should never stop those who are actually doing it. 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Action: dneighbo thinks you should be doing gnue :) xchat is great IMHO I'm wondering if there's a way to make it do a pop-up I'm converting qoute-print.c to po-print.py