Nick change: derek -> dnAway Nick change: jcater -> jcNap Nick change: dnAway -> dnZzzz Mr_You: webdav has some issues but it's a good idea -- imho it's just not a complete filesystem for all uses why? I dont think it supports any kind of locking, does it? or am I thinking just of apache's implementation? yes it does I dunno how limited mod_dav is ok is that recent, like since ~January? i discussed it with an apache guru around Jan. it was an exciting potential, but it wasn't a replacement for NFS by far. definately good for lower end casual use. oh no I see it as more of an FTP alt. does it support all basic filesystem properties like ugo perms? ugo+rwx? yes definately, plus SSL so i suppose i might be totally wrong or obsolete on it I'm not sure on all the details of it and apaches implementation.. yep I see it as a HD for remote PCs like idisk or whatever yes Action: Mr_You sleepy. i think idisk uses webdav easy to share a space for read only access to a group yep well if it supports ugo+wrx and locking, that's a great start for me as a sysadmin yeah same here people want basically at the very least, remote filesystem access which is somewhat transparent yeah so far the best i can give em is ssl protected file manager in webmin have you seen it? it's a java app yeah so it's somewhat iffy ssl protects such java apps, right? alll their traffic? yeah it should Action: Mr_You deploys webmin.. yeah. it's just a heavy duty file manager module which is totally configurable Mr_You: what area do you live in, sir Action: dtm is in Pleasanton, CA NC SFBA i see good night Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) left irc: night ajbusy (ajmitch@p20-max4.dun.ihug.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout for ajbusy[p20-max4.dun.ihug.co.nz] ajbusy (ajmitch@p20-max4.dun.ihug.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (baumannd@d165.as6.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: ajbusy (ajmitch@p20-max4.dun.ihug.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout for ajbusy[p20-max4.dun.ihug.co.nz] ajbusy (ajmitch@p20-max4.dun.ihug.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. 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(5.0.2?) v5.0.2 you know openserver? I actually typed that in the wrong channel ;-) yes until version 5.0.4 cool one sec it didn't recognize IDE Cd-Rom's without a bootstring SCO Unix Release 3.2v5.0.4 is that openserver? yip ok, well it sees it as a SCSI CDROM for some reason.. do you happen to know what I might try? http://artemis.sco.com/ns-search/TAEXT/os/105541.shtml?NS-search-set=/3b62c/aaaa0026b62ced2&NS-doc-offset=1& Action: jcater hit this wall many times :) ;-) how did ou find that by searching? http://www.sco.com/support is openserver still used or mostly unixware installations? are there major or minor differences between the two? um openserver is being phased out as of last year in favor of openserver say that again? ;-) despite them saying that openserver in favor of openserver? argh! in favor of unixware despite them saying openserver is for small business and unixware is for larger businesses (i.e., there's a market for both) ahh ok Action: jcater is phasing out his last openserver well I have a possible client who is having a performance problem...I just want to get familiar with the command line utilities so I can get him to run some diagnostics like iostat "sar" (or mpsar if SMP machine) are good starting points Tarantella is the sold product now? yeah.. that too iirc, tarantella puts your data on the web (if necessary, by doing screen scrapes) it's actually a neat idea but I've never used it oh I thought it was SCO renamed or something.. ok.. Nick change: dnZzzz -> derek this place has an app that when two people execute something at once it "freezes" for a few seconds.. thinking kernel tweaking and/or maybe a RAID is needed.. they need to get off sco :) other apps work fine when this occurs they say.. running on a RAID partly you wonder why they don't just move it from the HD to the RAID.. but I haven't asked that yet.. hmm what would be their alternatives tho? and this is running on a quad P133 ;-)) well, linux or bsd of course yeah as long as it doesn't take a bunch of creative hacking IBCS allows you to run SCO programs on other unices/bsds I switched from SCO to Solaris but it takes a lot of resources yeah, but how often do you try to run an app that checks to see what OS you're trying to install on it? Solaris x86 is pretty slow cause its not x86 optimized.. well, it has to do with how the apps were compiled Action: jcater thinks FreeBSD is well tuned for high-stress servers yeah.. that could be a problem.. would have to be tested first (don't let derek see that :) oh yeah I bank on FreeBSD jcater: why, freeBSD is free software j/k and i agree freeBSD is more scalable than Linux at this moment though i prefer netBSD never tried netBSD as it was started by exFSF guys :) so it is really the most 'free' ;) plus mikroft kicks ass derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Read error to derek[cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net]: EOF from client jcater (jason@HubS-mcr-24-24-112-3.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: brb derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. cool SCO is installing, thanks jcater ToyMan (stuq@c5300-2-ip80.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (stuq@c5300-2-ip80.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: [x]chat jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.167) left irc: [x]chat ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.167) joined #gnuenterprise. hi ra3vat Mr_You: why on earth you installing SCO? there are perfectly good free implementations of unix other than gnu\linux :) hi derek chillywilly (baumannd@d144.as28.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi chillywilly hiya Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) left irc: ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet? Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater? Mr_You? Mr_You? derek? jcater? chillywilly? bigbrother? dres? jcater: whats the menu driven sco config app? dtm? nickr? jcater? Mr_You? I need to reconfig NIC driver and the mouse for X TYES scoadmin ok lemme try nickr: eh, nothing I was just acting mental as usual chillywilly: CHILLYWILLY nickr: NICKR Heheh. thanks hmm for some reason.. this box doesn't automatically boot.. waits at the boot prompt then goes into single user mode, even tho the options are specified not to do that in scoadmin was the kernel recompiled after that change? yes both times after fixing NIC and mouse.. I setup /etc/resolv.conf but default router won't auto setup again, why SCO derek: I think he's trying to learn to help a friend who already has an install because someone has some performance work for me and I want to get the command line options exact... I've never used sco Mr_You: after this experience, you probably will never use it again :) and I happened across a OpenServer "FREE" version nah, its not so bad.. NCR is horrid doesn't the evil Caldera own SCO? yeah grrrr heh microsoft owned like 10-20% for last decade or so it was funny I was talking to Jeff (CEO of LinuxPPC) Action: Mr_You laughs at OS that uses backspace for ^C. well I'm gonna watch this movie he was talking about how much of an asshole Ransom Love is I got sugar and spice and castaway Mr_You: castaway is cast in my town :) castaway is cool dool cool I mean it's cool but it's basically a big ad for FedEx :) lol not really I found there were some really cool existential themes thourghout the movie reminded me a lot of Camis er, Camus haha Carolina Cousins.. I've never heard that ? reference to kissin cousins she said Carolina Cousins tho.. Action: Mr_You is in NC.. :-P yip, I know Caroline and scotty were just there I didn't go I usually do though where exactly are you Mr_You? They were near Wilmington that's where most of her family is I'm in Greensboro.. or Triad not Triangle a little bitty town called Delco hrrrm I wonder how close that is wilmington is about 4 hours from here NC is pretty freakin big and there's mountains in the way :P on the beach the mountains are awesome really? damn I should come visit you haha! yeah this chick looks just like heather graham without the biggins this movie is funny haha "cheerleaders kick" then they slap their ass.. what are you watching? sugar and spice, about cheerleaders who rob a bank its funny hehe.. "well shit fire kansas" ok funny movie Mr_You: that is in my rental queue from netflix (sugar&spice) what is netflix? http://www.netflix.com its GREAT! i ABSOLUTELY adore it you can rent movies over the net? wish turn times were faster, but its still worth it for me yip cool turn times? it takes about 3/4 days for a movie to arrive from time you order it and 3/4 days before they have back when you send it out so round trip a movie takes about 8 days which means you get 3 to 4 rentals per movieNumber per month so i get five movies out at a time so i get between 15 and 20 rentals a month for i think 29.99 Action: Mr_You would rather have streaming DVD from the local cable office.. so less about 2 bucks a movie only no hassles yeah if you live in northern california the turn times are like 2 days each way or 4 days streaming DVD hehe round trip so you could get like 7 per so you could like 35 a month :) which would ROCK streaming DVD would be nice that would rock....all you need it sfor everyone to have broadband :P at this point paying 2 bucks for netflix AND they cover shipping costs and have to pay someone to ship etc i DO NOT understand why payperview movie costs 6.95 and arent even on demand and can only watch once friggin monopolies becuse they can get away with charging that ppl are lazy chillywilly: yip and stupid if there were some competition in cable industry most pay per view are all day tickets with directv ppv would probably go down to around 3 bucks per they would have to lower the price yeah see competition is good :) GPL is good Mr_You: you are right, i think they switched to all day, but still not on command (unless you are using tivo) promotes competition well they have more than one channel showing it so its almost ondemand no one has a monopoly directv Action: Mr_You wants backwoods home with satelite broadband.. I read this hting about how Thomas Jefferson wanted freedom from monopolies to be a part of the bill of rights it was on the free-sklyarov list someone posted a link to the article it might've been on K5 I dun remember derek: you here? ajzzzz: looks like the nz'ers are passing a DMCA of thier own jcater: yip what "general purpose" email addresses do we have at gnue.org (besides info)? Do we have, like, proposals, patches, etc? derek: really? man that would suck ass it's 8am there I don't think ajzzzz will be getting up any time soon plus it's sunday too over there you know what new band I really like ? Lincoln Park they're cool I should show this site to my buddy he's always renting DVDs jcater any we care to setup currently i think bugs@gnue.org info@gnue.org we are supposed to have patches and proposals but waiting until we move the gnue.org domain i would like to set bugs up as a mail list like we have info so that it auto responds that some one is looking at tit er it not tit and so it goes to multiple people and is archived :) anyone use gnutella or is it pretty much dead? nah its the most used now I think I thought it has scaling problems movie wasn't too bad.. funny, ending kinda sucked maybe heh so gnutella works? Action: derek needs to get napster replacement is gnutella or freenet more widely used? i saw somethin gon tv about one called aimster or something congress is trying to shut them down cause they let you send anything and porn freaks are shoving p0rn movies and files mostly instead of music aimster refuses to regulate the trade and since its not music no RIAA is there screaming HUGE free speech issue brewing on it gtk-gnutella works fine shit they are targeting gnutella in it too where? who are they gonna sue? the ppl that write gnutella clients? roflma But unlike Napster, Gnutella has no executives who can be sued and no central computer servers that can be shut down. The Gnutella software floats freely on the Internet, allowing users to trade anything that can be put in a file. users? is thier quote on just that :) yip it is truly peer-to-peer so who are they gonna sue the reason they are screaming is because they say you cant filter out the porn like you can on http sure you can i.e. you can install net nanny etc on your webbroswer don't search for it but not on gnutella :P chillywilly: rofl chillywilly: that was the parents groups said :) WATCH your kids ! well damn straight http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/07/28/MN98478.DTL&type=tech is the article get involved in their lives for crying out loud Instead of congressional intervention, Waxman encouraged parents to begin paying closer attention to their children's Web surfing. Rep. Steve Largent, R- Okla., who presented results of the study with Waxman yesterday, called on the Justice Department to begin more vigorous prosecution of existing obscenity laws. maybe they wouldn't be shooting up schools then ya think? just thier monitors instead :P) oh you meant if they spent time w/ kids, not if they downloaded port porn yeah maybe kids wouldn't be so screwed up if their parents spent time with them my dad was my best buddy ya know ;) hahaha there is gnutella client call gnut what a headline I was riding bikes with scotty yesterday and playing soccer "Congress clamps down on gnut usage!" hehe you ever check out PyHP? Action: derek is grabbing gnutella http://www.ccraig.org/software/pyhp/ what is pyhp schwing! python hypertext processor hmmm Action: derek is looking uses python 2.0 and mod_python Action: derek might get hard if this is what i think it's like PHP, but using python hehe well I am surprised it took someone so long to make this pessoa pointed it out to me dunno how good it is i saw pwz before i thin apache v2 is in beta still wow so no new gnutella clients? gtk gnutella is over a year old limewire.. I ferget if its windows only gnutella is supposed to have scaling problems I dunno seems to work fine here is linewire true p2p? no limewire works on linux or so it says er, limewire I mainly dislike people who share stuff but disconnect you.. or have a way too high minimum sharing requirement limewire is a gnutella client stink i didnt know you could do this rpm -Uvh http://somdomain.com/locationof/somerpm.rpm and it would install I dunno if there's a way to disconnect someone with gnutella derek: kick ass I didn't know that eh, yeah I guess i could do that if I was a bastard :P yeah ou can jcater: it works too :) now if it handled dependencies we could call it apt :) well newtellium sucks acting weird right now I just upgrade limewire ah limewire is JAVA ick eeeew napshare is good ole C :) PyHP is GPL'd? s/?// hmm it dies napshare apt-get install gtk-gnutella looks like thier make file is toast chillywilly: gtk-gnutella is like a year and a half old i.e. its dead it works though so why should I care?