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Nick change: ajmitch -> ajbusy jian (jian@61.128.199.1) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (ds@195.239.66.11) joined #gnuenterprise. at_ (alex@techkran.vladimir.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. bbl ra3vat (ds@195.239.66.11) left irc: Client Exiting at_ (alex@techkran.vladimir.ru) left #gnuenterprise. jian (jian@61.128.199.1) left irc: Client Exiting darw1n_work (darw1n@driehoek.linvision.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi hi Action: derek is running off to work bbs jcater you have me in a bad work pattern (ie like 4 hours sleep at a time and odd office hours) ;) derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Leaving Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo (dneighbo@alt1.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. stbain (gunandgiz@cx726805-a.roanoke1.va.home.com) left #gnuenterprise. stbain (gunandgiz@cx726805-a.roanoke1.va.home.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (stuq@c5300-3-ip166.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo: awake yet? dres (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (ds@195.239.66.3) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all ra3vat (ds@195.239.66.3) left irc: Ping timeout for ra3vat[195.239.66.3] ra3vat (ds@195.239.66.35) joined #gnuenterprise. darw1n_work (darw1n@driehoek.linvision.com) left irc: Client Exiting ToyMan : ive been awake for some time :) about 5:30am my time or so just not looking then ? yip just not looking what's the word on the access-postgress transfer? whats that mean? um didnt get another chance to look at it yesterday was at office fighting 'rounding' issues from a crappy 3rd party vendor till about 8:30 and was back by 5:30am Action: dneighbo is still fighting them :( roflmao reading microsofts patch stuff for code red exploit they BLAME thier customers The vulnerability could only be exploited if a particular system component is present on the system – one that security checklists and tools recommend be removed. Nevertheless, this is a serious vulnerability, and Microsoft recommends that web server administrators take action immediately. basically they are saying we INSTALL something by default that is insecure and horrid (thier words) 'serious vulnerability' Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) left irc: Ping timeout for Mr_You[mankind.boredom.org] but damn you clicky clicky admin why are you running it any 'security checklist' and/or 'tool' recommends that you do not shitheads lacks subtilty, but there it is er... that should be subtlety where's the spell checker for XChat? Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. wow it gets WORSE they dont have a patch for XP at ALL! I heard that Windows XP is vulnerable but there isn’t a patch. Is this true? Yes. Windows XP is affected by the vulnerability. However, Windows XP is a beta product and, like all beta products, should only be used for evaluation purposes. It should not be installed on production servers. The vulnerability will be eliminated in the next beta update, and will be eliminated in the final released version of the product. There are a small number of customers who, working closely with Microsoft, are doing limited production deployments of the current beta version of Windows XP. Microsoft has contacted these customers directly and provided them with an updated build that eliminates the vulnerability. M$ sucks help /quit help /quit terminate adios exit bye done heh ToyMan (stuq@c5300-3-ip166.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: heading home to work from there ra3vat (ds@195.239.66.35) left irc: Ping timeout for ra3vat[195.239.66.35] Nick change: ajbusy -> ajmitch jcater you here? anyone seen jamest today Nick change: ajmitch -> ajbusy no i'm not jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: guess he told me :) ToyMan (stuq@c5300-3-ip167.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (baumannd@83.milwaukee-03-04rs16rt.wi.dial-access.att.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (ds@195.239.66.32) joined #gnuenterprise. nickr (nick@sdsl-64-7-6-186.dsl.nyc.megapath.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (ds@195.239.66.32) left irc: Client Exiting jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (stuq@c5300-3-ip167.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: Ping timeout for ToyMan[c5300-3-ip167.albany.thebiz.net] ra3vat (ds@195.239.66.32) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (ds@195.239.66.32) left irc: Client Exiting jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Read error to jamest[hobbes.math.ksu.edu]: EOF from client hi all ESR wrote a nice piece on LinuxToday http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-07-31-006-20-OP-CY hmm i think ESR has inflated ego the piece was interesting but irrating IMHO irritating?! heh I thought it was just a round-a-bout way of saying open source/free software is good because you have freedom hmmm i saw it as him saying that "it's about control" its about people being wounded and thats what draws them into the 'culture' of oss/free and that the irony is that by giving away control they regain it well, he doesn't ever take as a firm a stand as say RMS does jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. what i did NOT like was that he seems to say that its void of morals (in fact he states that opposition) but not to get deep or philosophical but his comparisino of cults or those with affliction unifying for a cause its because they are they are filling a moral void he just says that not many take the ethical stance of the FSF which doe sbug me too anyhow its too deep to plug up on this channel i think the analogy is good, but the analysis poor morals? I had those once. Was a real bugger to get rid of them but I'm happier now they're gone. we all know he is a bit misguided rofl we need a gnue developer dumb enough to run mandrake um i didnt mean to say that I think this is probably as close to his heart as he can write we need a gnue developer that wishes to help us support mandrake heh ajbusy has a mandrake installation as have sene a few people that are having issues with it but we cant test ToyMan (stuq@c5300-2-ip23.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. I would think that ajmitch would be willing to test things for us on Mandrake here, aj aj, here aj aj.... (provided he still has the install lying around, afaik he does) come get a gnu biscuit... heh here's a good comment http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-07-31-006-20-OP-CY-0017 ESR thinks he the christ of the Opne Sourec movement gosh, nice typing I've got there hey, would a thing that takes an xml definition of a form and produces paper (printable) forms and php forms with sql schema be a useful thing for gnue? we have reports for the paper thing php forms would be cool um yes we were designing the first thing a bit i.e. a paper form that you pop fields onto to make a forms/engine Interesting. the php thing was one of the wyas we discussed to do html client for gnue it would be the 'EASY' way but the more incorrect way I was thinking of defining an abstract xml format that just says what kind of fields and the expected 'length' maybe with format support and then have an engine that converts it to a best fit on paper and builds a website from it (essentially) Action: chillywilly is away: bbl Nick change: chillywilly -> cw-away Action: cw-away is back (gone 00:13:47) Nick change: cw-away -> chillywilly Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) left irc: home anybody good for some postgres advice? I just installed the postgres deb um will give some advice, but no guarantees how good it is Action: chillywilly is good for nothign seems to have created a user postgres no indicattion of what the password for that user might be how do you start this thing up? or log in? um you have to do an initdb thing and create accounts let me get the faq for you thanks been cruising the included docs to no avail ps ax | grep postgres shows: 253 ? S 0:00 /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/postmaster -D /var/lib/postgres/data so it looks like its running yeah its running piss i forget its been so long and not seeing the docs Action: dneighbo thinks you do some thing like su -postgres or something then run a command to create a user yeah but you'll still need the password to su su postgres no "-" createuser as the psotgres user only runs the daemon ? ToyMan you dont have password to su? createuser is a password? no creatuser is a function er program createuser creates a postgres user dneighbo: to root yes su then su postgres duh Action: chillywilly kicks ToyMan :P Action: ToyMan wonders where his brains are today ToyMan: for sale on the streets of Taiwan ToyMan: for $15.95 ToyMan: (hard currency only, no uan) ah, that's where all the good toys are no talent for plastic in this country rofl OK, I've made myself a user, now what do I run on the front end? did you create a user that is your unix account user? yep if so you can just do psql if not you have to do psql template1 as psql launches the frontend but you have to tell it what DB to use template1 gets created by default at creation time you can have it create db for the user (if you selected in createuser) if you do psql w/ no db passed to it it tries to open db w/ same name as the user iirc Action: ToyMan has to go change a diaper Action: ToyMan is away: ToyMan has finish the King Solomon's Mines for the kids toyman, i use depends when coding too save trips to the restroom eeeew damn dirty GNU hippies! er damn dirty communist GNU hippies! DDCGH Action: ToyMan is back (gone 00:05:00) gotta be efficient nothing stops ME from coding! wow! what a front end! eh? M$ Access has nothin' on this ;) just checking out psql i meant the front end for the database, not the diaper ToyMan its unix what you expect :) psql kicks serious butt yeah, it's the back end that counts believe it or not i had to convert somethign to postgres from access just to do something that would take me hours in access and then convert back to access as access doesnt support running things from a command line :) with pipes but anyhow give me a few hours to get up the learning curve there are 'several' gui front ends for postgres that give you a visual interface similar to access i think there might be one called pgaccess? Action: chillywilly really wants to install debian with an xfs file system http://flex.ro/pgaccess/ fwiw: it looks decent and i heard good things about it, but have never personally used it ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.21) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hi thanks for the help had to step out for a minute hey ra3vat hello guys :) is jamest here? yip sorta got forms working under windows with all that i18n things too cool! Action: ra3vat is glad his contibution keeps growing to exceed 10 lines limit really soon :) jamest: about xml header with encoding=... it is standart thing that going from xml specs for default you can place encoding=ascii encoding=latin1 ...=iso8859-1 all these are aliases of the same encoding jamest: can you test your forms with ? ra3vat : i agree this is xml standard and we should support in forms my bigger question is that this should really happen outside the form via a config file or a datasource as in a gnue installation you could have hundreds of forms and you wouldnt want to have to go change every form or store forms by language type (i would think) not sure for now it is required by pyxml Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. if python's encoding in not ascii it require to place encoding in xml otherwise it throw an exception it=pyxml if python installation support unicode encoding in xml also helps a lot with old installation it does not make sense i'll post additional info tomorrow from the work where I have pyton2.0 chillywilly: and Mandrake :) bah! use debian Action: Mr_You has his own unemployment party. can I come? sure I am unemployed too BYOB bring your own ??? booze thats what that means ;-) ok just tryin' ta figure it out guess I'll be working on GNUe and other stuff now.. rest of today I'm restin tho jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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ToyMan (stuq@c5300-2-ip23.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: Ping timeout for ToyMan[c5300-2-ip23.albany.thebiz.net] neilt (neilt@user-2ivemm7.dialup.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ hello all howdy hello hiya neilt chillywilly: any progress to report on geas? ummm, no you did see reinhard's comments in email? yes I just need some more time heh, doesn't everyone though? did they effect anything you were thinking about a little not sure I agree with him though which point makeing methods another client to GEAS that's sorta backwards maybe I just don't see how it works i think that if we make the methods code modular, we can worry about how it is structured later yeah there's 2 phases 1. make methods code better and support multiple langauges 2. provide "protection" from bad methods code i am not so worried about bad code at this point because bad code is bad code and it could just as well be in geas itsself well reinhard also wants to lump in a communication abstraction layer so we can support more than CORBA too, I think that is a bit ambitious but will happen done the road er, down i think we need to have a minds eye toward that, and if we have a choice as we are coding do the way that support the long term goal, but not make that the immediate goal smurfs are blue daisy's are yellow dneighbo: thanks for the vote of confidence ;) I'm gonna start using the latest dcl... I want to add on a small function that lets you popup a stop watch and add the time to a selected job.. I still have this friggin project that must be done soon...got an extension from school as I am doing a bit extra to help out the teacher, they are holding my degree hostage :P chillywilly: ouch i thought you were completely done with school well, except for this one thing building a simulation library that the professor wants to use in his course (don't ask me how I get myself into these messes) i know how easy it is, i had to do a verbal question and answer to pass a course because i was late on a project. The questions covered the last 4 chapters of the book that was never covered in class and was beyond the requirement for the class. ouch just to satisify the instructor well good luck than you oh and they still haven't changed my grade for my independent study dumb asses the hurd ppp port nearly works i almost forgot, i had to go to the dean a year after i completed my last class to get my transfer credits reevaluated because they droped some after they already said i had enough to graduate it dials in and sets up the tunnel interface ugh so welcome to the real world :) oh yes anything to keep you there and paying money and sueeze more money out of you yep bastards cost accounting is for weenies Action: jcater pets gfdesigner Action: dneighbo worries that jcater is as looney as himself hehe yip you're all the biggest loons I ever met :P thanks you're welcome of course, you fit right in :) I wasn't denying that...was I? s'pose not i can honestly say all gnue developers are 'certified' certifably nuts that is weee! welcome to the gnut house that's "gnut" not "nut" (this time I did it on purprose) purpose thats cause your gnuts t-y-p-e s-l-o-w-e-r c-h-i-l-l-y-w-i-l-l-y w-h-a-t f-u-n w-o-u-l-d t-h-a-t b-e? argh! Action: jcater thinks forms (unstable branch) might not be 100% bug free :( hehe jcater: that implys we have a stable brance, now thats nice to know :) well, relatively speaking :) haha Action: Mr_You will have some times for forms now that he's jobless. wow that shut everyone up big time hack away!~ go for it! this downer channel show is funny later all neilt (neilt@user-2ivemm7.dialup.mindspring.com) left irc: Action: jcater dances ? got a big problem w/devel branch of forms working (i.e., master/detail :) how to grub this devel branch? would like to dance too Action: jcater wouldn't recommend it :) it's about to be merged back in we were changing to new dbdriver format and didn't want to screw up main cvs tree ok, than i'll better go sleep :) man I'm so lazy after workin all day then I get my second wind at like 10pm-midnight til 3am heh my exmanager said not taking lunch breaks was unhealthy.. in some respects I can understand that if I had an intense stressful job Nick change: ajbusy -> ajmitch dneighbo: you still here? Nick change: ajmitch -> ajbusy chillywilly (baumannd@83.milwaukee-03-04rs16rt.wi.dial-access.att.net) left irc: Ping timeout for chillywilly[83.milwaukee-03-04rs16rt.wi.dial-access.att.net] chillywilly (baumannd@36.milwaukee-01-02rs16rt.wi.dial-access.att.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.21) left irc: Ping timeout for ra3vat[195.239.64.21] dcl is nice dcl? dcl.sf.net double choco latte task tracking system mdean Action: chillywilly hates multi-threaded programming chillywilly: "just say no" raec conditions are so much fun! er, race jcater: jsut shoot me just bang! Action: chillywilly drops dead hmm wonder if jamest's coming back after class? dcl is the best thing since keystone best open-source task tracker on the market keystone the browser? er no that's skipstone nevermind no keystone the commercial issue/task tracker web app that got bought by white pajama to be killed slowly.. dcl is GPLed it is like M$ project? ( never used that) huh? Double Choco Latte is used for bug/issue/task tracking just read on the web page that smeone uses it to replace M$ project Dan Bethedan_bethe at yahoo.com I use it at home for managing my household of various renters and my basic life, and I've used it at various companies I've been at, to replace basic use of Microsoft Project. It's an essential groupware component, wrapped up in a nice SSL-protected web page. "basic" use missed that part :P derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #GNUENTERPRISE. run! jcater: no sprint dude.. forms rocks! jamest still not around? no dude.. forms has always rocked :) it just rocks more that's what I meant you have been a coding machine whatcha been working on master/detail in the branch sweet when the damn branch gonna hit I think we're 'bout done w/branch im tempted to release another version in the non branch might do so this weekend as it has some clean up and designer has greatly improved Action: derek runs away for a bit derek: no, sprint jcater you recognize this? yes ? Wed Jul 25 07:43:57 2001 > CPU2: epcaassert (Digi): line=4713 Memory enable error > CPU2: epcaassert (Digi): line=4721 pointer out of range > Wed Jul 25 08:25:39 2001 > epcaassert (Digi): line=6887 Memory on ick! from a sco machine no, but doesn't look good gonna suggest vendor for that yip that looks nasty I think I need to give certain threads priority ;) or make others yield their time slice I'm guessing epcaassert is an app running on the box? I don't recognize it, but I think so he doesn't even know.. I'm assuming if he can write a decent performance checking script he might think to ps grep for that but I'll ask or he didn't indicate he had done a ps gonna suggest moving this app to the RAID its killin the HD hmm if it'll work I've never used raid w/sco (only other *nixes) so am not sure about it