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<ajmitch> hi derek
<jamest> hi derek
<derek> hey jamest didnt expect you to still be up
<jamest> yip
<derek> major crisis at home today.........
<derek> 3 year old tipped car seat over while on our kitchen counter to see her brother
<derek> he wasnt buckled in
<jamest> oh crap
<derek> so catapulted him across the kitchen
<derek> onto our nice tile floor
<derek> so mom had a 'slight' panic attack
<derek> ;)
<jamest> the flying mastany family
<derek> all is well now, but got to spend some time sitting in ER
<derek> did get me out of a boring ethics class though :)
<ajmitch> hehe
<jamest> ah, they had to treat her blistered bottom eh?
<jamest> :)
<derek> nah
<derek> the 3 year old didnt do anything wrong
<jamest> i know
<jamest> kids are kifs
<jamest> kids
<derek> was accident
<derek> mommy should have strapped in car seat, the ole it only takes a second rule you know :)
<jamest> ah!  mommy got the blistered bottom then
Action: jamest thinks that derek would need ER work if he really tried that one though
<derek> rofl
<derek> um i think in the west tehy call that a mortuary
<jamest> :)
<derek> but i could be wrong
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<dtm> derek: whoooooa     so was this child in the ER from your family?
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<ra3vat> eugene: hello
<eugene> ra3vat: hi
<ra3vat> where are you from?
<eugene> russia
<ra3vat> my name is Dmitry. Vladimir, Russia
<eugene> русский проходит?
<ra3vat> Проходит, че только народ увидит :)
<eugene> достанет - скажут!
<ra3vat> Основные через несколько часов проснутся. Будут читать логи.
<eugene> let's do some chat?
<eugene> help somebody pls! what is 'shadowpw' file for GEAS and how am I to make it?!
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<at_> hi all
<eugene> hi
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<jamest> brb, kde is behaving like it was coded in Redmond
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<jamest> ahhhh
<jamest> sanity has returned to the desktop
<ra3vat> brb
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<ToyMan> hi all
<jamest> hi
[10:02] MSG541<ToyMan> anyone have experience with wireless DSL?
<derek> hi all
<ToyMan> hi derek
<derek> ToyMan: i have wireless broadband
<derek> but its not DSL
<derek> i dont think wireless DSL exists does it?
<derek> DSL = Digital Subscriber 'Line'
<ToyMan> yeah, it exists
<ToyMan> 30 mi range
<derek> do you mean
<derek> wireless 802.11b
<derek> or
<derek> wireless microwave
<derek> i have wireless broadband but its not DSL
<ToyMan> 1.5MB Up and downstream
<ToyMan> the ISP puts up a tower
<derek> who is the provider/
<ToyMan> you have a small digital dish at your location
<ToyMan> webjogger.net
<derek> sounds like microwave that i have
<ToyMan> they're just down the road and what to use me as the proto cust
<derek> mine is 10Mbps down and 28k up (no phoneline)
<derek> the uplink speed makes me want to cry :)
<ToyMan> could be, I see lots of sites that come up in a 'wireless DSL' google search though
<ToyMan> this is full speed both ways
<derek> cool
<ToyMan> anyway, the receiver costs $850 which I think is a bit steep
<derek> all broadband here is pinched but land line DSL
<derek> cable is 3Mbps down and 256k up
<ToyMan> don't know what the bandwidth will cost yet
<ToyMan> just wondering if anyone knew of cheaper receivers
<derek> if its same equip that my wireless the hardware can be obtained for under 200 bucks
<derek> from that site (webjogger.net) i didnt see any info on the service
<ToyMan> naw, not yet
<ToyMan> they're just getting it set up
<ToyMan> it's big news in this small town
<ToyMan> no other broadband available
<derek> so this at home or the office
<ToyMan> office for now, I hope both soon
Action: ToyMan dreams of telecomuting
<jamest> hey
<ToyMan> that's all - just...hey??
<derek> hey
<derek> we're the monkees
<derek> always....
<derek> ill spare you the rest
<ToyMan> good - painful childhood memories are best left alone..
Action: derek thinks stu still has some monkee paraphenalia hanging around and just wont admit it
<ToyMan> ohmygod - don't ask me about my Peter Nesbitt poster!
<derek> rofl
<derek> better that you fessed up now, before we got it of your wife :)
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<ToyMan> damn this thing!
<ToyMan> !@#!#%$ Away damn it! Away!
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<ToyMan> hopeless
<ra3vat> bbl
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<jamest> just hey
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<jamest> at long long last
<jamest> I'm getting Windows ME'd for real
<jamest> I turned on machine
<jamest> went to windows update
<jamest> and started to apply all needed system patches/updates
<jamest> If I've counted corrctly so far
<jamest> i've experienced 1 crash
<jamest> and had to reboot 5 times so far
<jamest> (to apply updates)
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<jamest> make that 6 reboots
<dneighbo> you guys see slashdot?
<dneighbo> business want a new 'profitable' internet?
<dneighbo> wtf? so shitty business models are the internets fault?
<chillywilly> this is the age old power struggle
<chillywilly> the big business want a predictable internet so they can have their authoratative control and predict how profits will happen etc.
<chillywilly> and us hackers like the chaos and decentralized internet
<chillywilly> where no one *rules*
<jamest> and I like mt dew
<chillywilly> mmm, mt dew is good too
<chillywilly> I like the red stuff the best though
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<jamest> make that 7 reboots
Action: jamest has yet to install any software on the #!@!# thing 
<chillywilly> hehe, I like this response to the more profitable internet thing
<chillywilly> screw them. its as much mine as theirs and i like it the way it is thanks. go sell your balls somewhere else.
<dneighbo> well for me they say the net sucks cause its a dumb network
<dneighbo> to me thats the BEAUTY of it
<dneighbo> no prop bogged down shit
<dneighbo> a smart network would only serve to CENSOR people
<dneighbo> adn since corp has more money than me
<dneighbo> that means me get bent over :)
<jamest> :)
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<dneighbo> logged on to tell us you are away eh :)
<dneighbo> clera
<dneighbo> oops
<dneighbo> wrong window
<dneighbo> is chillywilly here?
<chillywilly> yes
<dneighbo> just wanted to say hey
<chillywilly> plz don't beat me
<dneighbo> seems like long time since havent seen you
<chillywilly> oh.....ummm....hey
<dneighbo> but you reminded me
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<chillywilly> oh shit
<dneighbo> j/k
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Action: dneighbo wonders when they will learn running a 4.0 40 with an ankle brace with a 39ft chain tends to hurt the ankle
<chillywilly> hehe
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<dneighbo> ToyMan are you here or are you gone?
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<dneighbo> ToyMan : when you return i have good majority of tables converted
<dneighbo> still have issues with your data not matching constraints :)
<dneighbo> i have enough data to play now
<dneighbo> the bigger question becomes you want me to fix the data constraint issues and move forward
<dneighbo> or just do proof with data that converted w/o issues?
<dneighbo> probalby the later
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[17:34] MSG541<ToyMan> weird
<ToyMan> it used to toggle between away and back
<ToyMan> now it's just away
<ToyMan> dneighbo: yes, the latter, er...later
<ToyMan> forget about the constraints
<ToyMan> they were a bad idea to start with
<ToyMan> and I havn't gotten rid of all of them at the table level yet
<ToyMan> should be done in code or in the form
<ToyMan> not in the table
<dneighbo> ok dst_data is converted pretty much
<dneighbo> to postgres
<dneighbo> damn schema printing utility doesn work (its an addon)
<dneighbo> and i just got reinstalled so its not there :(
<dneighbo> and the techs are gone for the day so me no hvae disky
Action: dneighbo needs to print the schemas
<dneighbo> so i can drop all the linked tables
<dneighbo> to complete a conversion
<dneighbo> then bring everythign back as linked postgres
<ToyMan> sounds good
Action: ToyMan is ducking in and out while he cooks dinner
<ToyMan> grilled eggplant...mmmmm
<ToyMan> dneighbo: did you use one of the utilities or did you use the brute force method?
<dneighbo> im not gonna tell less you share the eggplant
<jcater> mmm
<jcater> dneighbo: how do you do your eggplant? brute force or using utilities?
<dneighbo> um brute force i suppose
<dneighbo> as i prefer babaganouj
<dneighbo> when it comes to eggplant
<dneighbo> jcater what kind of food you like?
<jcater> mmmm
<jcater> I like almost everything
<jcater> (as long as it's cooked; i.e., no sushi fish)
<dneighbo> no sushi
<dneighbo> bummer good sushi in SF
<jcater> sorry
<dneighbo> thats ok i dont do sushi when i travel
<dneighbo> ;)
Action: jcater loves food. period.
<dneighbo> we will have to pick up some chinese while we are up there though
<jcater> :)
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<dneighbo> jcater you be around tonight or this weekend/
<jcater> yes
[18:26] MSG541<dneighbo> ok see you tonight then ;)
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Action: chillywilly likes his eggplant fried
<ToyMan> olive oil/sesame oil/tamari
<ToyMan> cumin/tumeric/chili powder/african chili powder (hot!hot!)
<ToyMan> served w/ arugula salad on the side
<ToyMan> anyone for dinner?
<ToyMan> just head to NYC
<ToyMan> head due north
<ToyMan> 100 mi up the Hudson
<ToyMan> and you're there!
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<eugene> ToyMan: good luck
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<jcater> welcome home, derek
<derek> hey
<derek> was out trimming bushes and cleaning up yard while it was cool
<derek> cool = < 105
Action: jcater was converting his desktop to linux :)
<jcater> I wanted freebsd, but was going to test plex86, which requires linux :(
<derek> is plex86 a vmware clone ?
<derek> jamest spoke of it as well
<derek> stop with the freebsd it really is evil
<derek> use netbsd instead
<jcater> why?
<derek> if you must bsd
<jcater> lol
<jcater> I doubt I'll need converting
<jcater> it was really a blind choice
<jcater> I do like bsd
<jcater> and just picked freebsd
<derek> one of the problems with windriver etc is how they handle patches and code fixes
<derek> they constantly break things that have fixes
<derek> etc
<derek> but mikroft will give you real world examples
<derek> plus i respect that netbsd has a goal to run on anything
<jcater> opwell, I'm on slack now
<derek> i think that it could run on a toaster
<jcater> lol
<derek> slack isnt too bad
<derek> wish we could get you using debian though ::)
<jcater> eh
<nickr> debian debian ra ra ra
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<derek> :)
<derek> jcater: in sf we will walk over to debian booth
<derek> and you will tell them what is keeping you from using it
<derek> and they will fix it or get beaten by masta ;)
<jcater> damn man
<nickr> I'll fix it.
<nickr> Right now, anything you want.
<jcater> if I must use bsd, I'm using the wrong one
<nickr> I need to pass the feats of strength anyway.
<jcater> if I must use linux, I'm using the wrong one
<jcater> maybe I need to go back to windoze
<nickr> jcater: maybe you need a mac
<nickr> jcater: and a drool-proof mousepad
<jcater> have one of those
<jcater> just upgraded to os9
<jcater> icky
<nickr> jcater: you're not driving enough sharp spikes through your frontal lobe to enjoy it.
<nickr> Here, let me help..
<derek> jcater: the difference is of course with windoze there is no RIGHT version P:)
<derek> fwiw: im teasing you about freeBSD & Debian
<jcater> kick butt
<nickr> netbsd :P
<jcater> finally got a wine program to run
<derek> though on the freeBSD i think you would like netBSD better
<nickr> soon, netbsd|freebsd will be debian too
<nickr> muah ah ah
<jcater> dude!
<jcater> dreamweaver is working in wine :)
<nickr> probably netbsd because it has a lot to offer. At least I hope.
<nickr> Dreamweaker? Ack pht.
<jcater> if quarkxpress will work, I won't need my windows install :)
<nickr> Quark mmm sweet sweet suga
<nickr> Someday I'll have something better than quark.
<nickr> For it will run under [free unixlike] and be a beautiful thing.
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<derek> :)
<derek> bbs
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<nickr> err, did I say that outloud?
<nickr> anybody tried anjuta yet?
<jcater> ?
<nickr> Its an IDE like kproject except for gnome
<jcater> nope
<jcater> I use Kde anyway
<nickr> Someday it seems like it'll be pretty nice
<derek> what happened to mr project
<derek> ximian isnt doing a ms project clone
<derek> (gasp)
<derek> i thought it was in thier charter to copy anything coming out of redmond?
<jcater> yip
<nickr> anjuta is cute.
<jcater> monkey see, monkey do
<jcater> ms = gorilla, ximian = well, something monkeyish
<derek> rofl
<chillywilly> anjuta?
<chillywilly> you mena kdevelop nickr?
<chillywilly> mean
<nickr> yea, kdevelop
<chillywilly> kewl
<nickr> chillywilly: apt-get install anjuta
<chillywilly> we need an ide
<chillywilly> but can you embed emacs?
<nickr> I don't know
<nickr> It does integrate glade moderately well
<nickr> It needs a lot of work
<nickr> though
<chillywilly> kewl
<chillywilly> ajmitch and I were thinking of starting a project that had an IDE, CASE tools , etc.
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<chillywilly> what version yo got nickr?
<nickr> 0.4.1
<nickr> err 0.1.4
<chillywilly> k
<nickr> I think the application wizard is kind of cute.
<nickr> It'd be nice if it integrated glade better
<nickr> like how delphi does it
<chillywilly> dude I got banned from irc.scifi.com
<chillywilly> I don;t knwo why though
<chillywilly> I didn't do anything
<chillywilly> hrrrm
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<jcater> argh!
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