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<jamest> ****************DEREK**************************
<jamest> cvs diff
<jamest> will give you the diffs
<jamest> cvs status 
<jamest> will tell you stats on each file
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<madlocke> jamest: hi... btw. www.gnue.org doesn't work for me... www.gnuenterprise.org does... different ip addresses...
<madlocke> jamest: you have some time?
<jamest> time
<jamest> ?
<jamest> a little
<jamest> gnue.org is different machine
<jamest> needs to get moved to same one as gnuenterprise
<jamest> .org
<madlocke> did you have time to look at how i loaded widgets in the code i sended you some time ago?
<jamest> yes
<jamest> the real questoin is 
<jamest> do I remember much about them 
<jamest> :)
<madlocke> grin... ok :)
<jamest> to which I answer no
<jamest> IIRC they loaded differently
<madlocke> in the TODO i found that the event system is not flexible enough...
<madlocke> so there were some problems...
<madlocke> what kind of changes are you thinking of?
<jamest> let me reread todo
<jamest> I'm not 100% sure that applies anymore
<madlocke> ah ok...
<madlocke> was thinking of i18n but that requires python2 i think...
<madlocke> is python1.52 still standard?
<jamest> i think we're moving to 2.0.1
<jamest> we've still got 1.5.2 compatibility in there now
<jamest> but 2.x will allow us to remove some workarrounds
<madlocke> so it is possible to add 2.x specific stuff already?
<madlocke> maybe some comments on the website would be good...
<madlocke> required python version, modules, maybe coding style...
<jamest> style in coding?
Action: jamest doesn't have any of that
<jamest> :)
<jamest> we could add that to the site but I'm pretty sure we have it all the in the docs
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<madlocke> ok... then i'll continue work and send you some code soon...
<jamest> too coo
<jamest> l
<madlocke> so cu...
<jamest> l8r
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<jamest> hey
<jcater> howdy
<derek> yello
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<derek> hi gnuebot
<derek> are you here to tell us uswest sucks?
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<jamest> what the???????
<jamest> gnuebot is back?
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<chillywilly> masta
<dneighbo> hello
<chillywilly> BitchX is cool
<dneighbo> um not really :)
<dneighbo> i much prefer xchat
<dneighbo> but i must live w/ what works at work :)
<chillywilly> yeah I guess so
<chillywilly> BitchX is sorta mean spirited
<dneighbo> actually it kicks ass
<chillywilly> there's a command call /fuckem
<dneighbo> IF
<dneighbo> you dont do any messages /msg
<dneighbo> AND
<dneighbo> you only talk on one channel at a time
<chillywilly> you can use hidden windows to set it up to take all /msgs to a separate window
<chillywilly> and to separate things by window
<dneighbo> its 'kind of cool' to get all channels talking in same windows
<chillywilly> read the FAQ
<dneighbo> instead of bouncing tabs
<dneighbo> BUT i cant figure out how to talk to any channel but one im in
<dneighbo> so its a pain to bounce among channels to respond :)
<dneighbo> or if in several high volume channels it sucks to try to keep up :)
<chillywilly> Alt-1, Alt-2, ...
<chillywilly> switched
<chillywilly> I have some aliases
<dneighbo> all in all bitchx is ok
<dneighbo> but i prefer xchat
<chillywilly> ^alias wnc {window new hide swap last double on split on channel $0}
<chillywilly> ^alias wns {window new hide swap last double on split on server $0}
<chillywilly> makes new window for channels and irc servers
<chillywilly> then you switch with Alt-x
<chillywilly> it tells you which ones have sctivity in them too
<chillywilly> [Act: 2,4]
<chillywilly> I dunno schat is easier though, there's a lot of built in stuff
<chillywilly> er, xchat
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<ra3vat> hi all
<jamest> hi
<jcater> howdy
<ra3vat> hello jamest, jcater
<dneighbo> hi ra3vat 
<ra3vat> hi dneighbo
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<dneighbo> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=01/08/06/1054257&threshold=-1&commentsort=3&mode=thread&cid=28
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<dneighbo> hey toyman
<dneighbo> wassup
<ToyMan> hey dneighbo
<ToyMan> congrats on the file conversion
<ToyMan> I checked out that Access to Postgres site
<ToyMan> and it made me tired looking at the details :)
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<jamest> dneighbo: nice link
<jamest> what is up with all the goats?
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<dneighbo> toyman i am suffering utter death on another consulting gig
<dneighbo> i hope to unbury self soon
<dneighbo> and then want to REALLY dig into your stuff and get you converted
<ToyMan> what's killin you?
<dneighbo> jamest: i thought that link was pretty relevant
<dneighbo> ToyMan: client: hospitality career services
<dneighbo> a job placement firm for hotel industry
<dneighbo> stinking web work
<ToyMan> sounds exciting...
<dneighbo> its interesting, but its not gnue
<dneighbo> so its hard to be 'excited' about it
<dneighbo> THOUGH, they are ready to move into billing soon
<dneighbo> so that could be GNUe ;)
<ToyMan> until you release your 'hospitality industry' module
<ToyMan> :)
<dneighbo> if i can get VPN worked out so they can access Posgtgres remotely
<dneighbo> well they arent hospitality
<dneighbo> they are recruitement firm for hospitality
<dneighbo> so much of what i am doing
<dneighbo> would be part of HR Modules of GNUe
<ToyMan> hmmmm.
Action: ToyMan is glad he's in the toy business sometimes...
<ToyMan> gotta go...
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<dneighbo> http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-pippy
<dneighbo> is interesting
<dneighbo> perhaps could be catalyst for gnue on palm
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<jamest> l8r
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<chillywilly> man I'm full
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<nickr> bastard, here I am starving to death
<chillywilly> lol
Action: ajmitch has just had lunch
<chillywilly> I ate 2 hamburgers that I cooked with mayo, ketchup, honey mustard and tomatoes on them
<chillywilly> and of course
<chillywilly> a pepsi cola
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<nickr> arghu
Action: nickr is down to leftover shoe leather
<dtm> :(
<dtm> nickr: me too!
<dtm> my client might get around to paying me tomorrow!  you know, if they feel like it
<chillywilly> nickr: do some work you bum
<chillywilly> hehe
<nickr> chillywilly: working doesn't fit in with the zen of my existance
<ajmitch> heh
Action: dtm works
<chillywilly> heh, but it does fit it with the growling of your tummy
<dtm> i work but i dont really get paid very often or very much.
Action: chillywilly is a bum anyway
<chillywilly> I have no job
Action: ajmitch is a bum
Action: nickr is king of bums.
<ajmitch> i'm a student, everyone knows students are bums ;)
Action: chillywilly is a recovering student
<nickr> you are all bums, and I am your king
<chillywilly> hail king bum!
Action: ajmitch moons nickr
<ajmitch> :)
<nickr> Heh
<nickr> none of you got the line
<nickr> the proper answer is 'I didn't know we had a king, I thought we were an autonomous collective'
<ajmitch> hehe
<chillywilly> monty python right?
<nickr> nod
<nickr> You're fooling yourself! We're livin' in a dictatorship!
<nickr> actually instant stuffing and turkey burger nuked to within an inch of its life is a pretty good meal
<nickr> especially rounded off with jello no bake cheesecake
<nickr> mmm bachelor chow
<ajmitch> hehe
<chillywilly> nickr: doesn't your gf feed tyou?
<nickr> chillywilly: generally, yes, but she's visiting her cats and dog and famility
<chillywilly> poor nickr
<nickr> Eh
<nickr> its nice to be alone
<nickr> Just more hungry. :-)
<nickr> hrm, I came up with a cool name for my forms thing..
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<chillywilly> yeah?
<chillywilly> what is it?
<chillywilly> hi jamest
<nickr> transForms
<chillywilly> you really here jamest?
<jamest> hey
<jamest> yip
<chillywilly> wow
<jamest> i know, i know
<jamest> anyone recommend a mp3 ripper for linux?
<nickr> abcde
<chillywilly> grip
<nickr> grip's been pissing me off lately
<nickr> abcde just works (tm)
<jamest> thanks
Action: ajmitch recommends just shining a laser at the cd and reading off the bits, and tapping them in with a morse key
<nickr> transforms is suspiciously easy
<jamest> ajmitch: :)
<nickr> latex and html do all the work for you
<jamest> tried that
<jamest> dries out my contacts before I get the disk done
<ajmitch> hehe
<nickr> I recommend training monkies in morse code
<ajmitch> nickr: this is #gnuenterprise. we use goats here
<chillywilly> just throw it in the microwave and nuke the bits off
<nickr> we're all bozos on this bus
<chillywilly> ajmitch: :P
<nickr> I like nuking CDs.
<nickr> Makes me feel like a big man.
<jamest> which encoder you guys use
<ajmitch> chillywilly: well, i didn't want people to think this was #ximian
<jamest> i think I used blade
<chillywilly> nickr: do they turn pretty colors?
<ajmitch> i use oggenc
<jamest> on wifes pc
<nickr> jamest: ogg but it sucks dick pardon the expression
<chillywilly> yeah I used blade
<nickr> if you don't care about peeing on patents, gogo is amazing
<jamest> i have almost 2300 songs in mp3 format
<jamest> from my collection
<jamest> converting to new format isn't an option for me at this time
<nickr> gogo uses the lame core (= very good quality), but is very fast
<chillywilly> hey nickr, I'll have soe cash this weekend you gonna sell me those cables and NICs?
<nickr> chillywilly: sure.
<chillywilly> oh darlin darlin darlin walk a while with me
<chillywilly> so muuuuhc
<chillywilly> led zepplin rocks
<nickr> thats the price of love, if we could buy it now, how long would it last?
<dtm> nickr: good point man.
<dtm> well said.
<nickr> hehe
<nickr> New Order
<nickr> quality music.
<nickr> hrm, I wonder if tsetse flies live in NY
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<chillywilly> hi derek
<jamest> sup g
<derek> sup cuz
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<derek> yo yo yo chill dog wassup
<derek> GNUe == Ghettos Need U essay
<chillywilly> lol
<chillywilly> waaaaaaadup my brotha
<chillywilly> lincoln park is coooool
<nickr> linkin park you mean?
<dtm> derek: whirred up to dat sheeit, brah
<derek> rofl
<chillywilly> whatever
<chillywilly> I dunno how to spell it
<chillywilly> that's how the moron I grabbed it form spelled it
<dtm> h0h0
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<chillywilly> derek: you here?
<derek> im here
<derek> sweating ass off but here
<chillywilly> Gnome 2.0 will use the multithreaded ORBit 
<derek> yeah
<derek> too bad gnome 2.0 is god knows how long away
<derek> im committed to getting omniORB working
<chillywilly> shouldn't be that bad
<derek> so we ahve the option of not being TIED to ORBit
<derek> mainly for windows issues
<chillywilly> why don't the Gnome people make sure their code is portable?
<chillywilly> I wish Gnome could run on cygwin
<nickr> most people who code for linux don't care about portability
<nickr> its a major complaint of the bsd folks because it makes them feel left out.
<chillywilly> gnu/linux?
<derek> nickr: yeah if it works on linux thats good enough
<derek> just ask the sun folks :)
<chillywilly> haha
<chillywilly> well
<chillywilly> getting it to work on cygwin may not be so bad
<chillywilly> I wonder if they have pthreads
<chillywilly> oh well
<chillywilly> oh
<nickr> oh
[22:53] MSG541<chillywilly> I am thinking of making a branhc for methods, is this ok?
<chillywilly> you got a problem dude?
<derek> um thats a reinhard/neilt thing
<derek> i think its probably smart
<chillywilly> ok
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<jamest> hello jason my old friend
<jamest> come to code gnue again?
<jcater> sorry
<jcater> writing my letter of resignation
<jamest> what!
<jcater> just checking in on you guys
<derek> sigh
<derek> gasp
<derek> no
<derek> what they heck happened
<jcater> personal conflicts
<chillywilly> heh?
<chillywilly> you quitting your job
<chillywilly> ?
<chillywilly> jcater: are you serious?
<jcater> yipo
<chillywilly> you got a new job?
<jcater> working on it
<chillywilly> ah
<chillywilly> good luck
<chillywilly> job searching sucks
<chillywilly> I hate it
<chillywilly> jamest: how do you specify that the user cannot log in
<chillywilly> like an anoncvs user
<chillywilly> or nobody
<chillywilly> or whatever
<jamest> huh?
<chillywilly> whadda ya mean huh?
<chillywilly> on a system how do you make a user that cannot log in
<chillywilly> like nobody
<jamest> ah
<jamest> you put a impossible hash in their password
<chillywilly> which is what?
<chillywilly> '#'
<jamest> and typically set their login shell to something impossible
<chillywilly> /bin/false
<jamest> I used *
<chillywilly> ok
<jamest> for the password in shadow
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> makes sense
<jamest> and /bin/false (at one time some /bin/false's were actually shell scripts which is a bad thing)
<jamest> so I used /dev/null as the login shell :)
<chillywilly> that works
<chillywilly> "!" is used in mt /etc/shadow for mysql, postgres, etc. users
<chillywilly> s/mt/my
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<jamest> that would work
<jamest> a one char hash isn't possbile
<jamest> was will block
<jamest> was = so
<chillywilly> brb
<chillywilly> have to relogin
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