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<madlocke> jamest: hi
<madlocke> gnuebot: can you talk?
<jamest> hi
<madlocke> jamest: you have some time?
<jamest> um, not much
<jamest> a little maybe
<jamest> but I'll be choppy
<madlocke> hm... ok maybe better we talk tomorrow...
<madlocke> then i have more time too
<madlocke> no plans for the night ;)
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<derek> hi jeff
<jwalls> Hi
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<derek> bonjour
<galliwog> hello
<derek> Comment t'allez vous?
<galliwog> ca va ca va
<derek> bien
<galliwog> i haven't downloaded the cvs tree yet
<galliwog> i forgot to ask you some things
<galliwog> u told me u had a couple of firms using gnuE
<derek> yip
<galliwog> what do they do with ?
<derek> um one does some management of students ( i believe )
<derek> the other one is doing a call center application
<derek> and another doing inventory and invoicing stuff
<galliwog> so these just use the framework and develop for their own needs ??
<derek> yes
<galliwog> ok
<derek> they want to help develop the BASE 
<derek> and applications
<galliwog> ok
<derek> but had immediate needs
<derek> so 'hacked' something to meet thier needs until the 'official' stuff was ready
<derek> Qui vous a indiqué que vous pourriez cesser la programmation?
<derek> thats the 'saying around here'
<galliwog> i know there are french people working on gnuE
<galliwog> Qui vous a indiqué que vous pourriez cesser la programmation? : ????
<derek> nekhem technologies is most prominent
<derek> Who told you that you could stop programming?
<derek> also at one time midgard was looking at using our application server
<galliwog> i understand the sentence but whats the meaning ?
<derek> though i think they might be rolling thier own now
<derek> its a joke, basically saying programming is more important than anything else
<galliwog> ok
<derek> so if someone starts asking questions or doing something 'fun'
<galliwog> are there still frenchies working on gnuE ?
<derek> one joking would say 'who told you that you could stop coding' - lame american humor ;)
<derek> um
<derek> you are french :)
<galliwog> yeah i know
<derek> eric and thierry are still working on it i think
<derek> or wanting too
<galliwog> they dont ?
<derek> and we have a few 'french' canadians as well
<derek> they do
<galliwog> ok
<derek> just havent been around for a bit
Action: derek needs to email them
<derek> last i talked to them was right before bordeaux free software meeting
<galliwog> u were there ?
<derek> no i wasnt there, was trying to get them to go on behalf of gnue
<derek> but i didnt get informed in time, so couldnt procure a spot for them :(
<derek> maybe next year
<derek> i have to run to work
<derek> be back in an hour
<galliwog> ok
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<galliwog> i probably wont be there then
<galliwog> so seeya later
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<chillywilly> anyone home?
<chillywilly> man I got a head ache
<chillywilly> hey we got a bug report
<chillywilly> on the gnue-savannah list
<derek> cool
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<derek> chilly i imagine perhaps that this form is busted
<derek> will look when i get home
<derek> Internet Explorer users need to upgrade to IE 5.01 or higher, preferably with 128-bit SSL or use Netscape 4.7 or higher
<derek> is kind of funny coming from the group that INSISTS you must maintain lynx compatiablity
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<derek> http://www.hispasec.com/pdfworm.gif
<derek> now thats what i call a cool virus
<derek> at least its humorous
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<derek> hi stu
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<derek> hi galliwog 
<galliwog> hi
<galliwog> so derek where should i begin when i wanna help u ?
<derek> decide what you want to work on
<derek> i.e. existing tool
<derek> new tool
<derek> base for applications
<derek> or
<derek> applications
<derek> then talk to the lead of that item and get direction on how to be put to good use :)
<galliwog> i dont really know what all these tasks involve ...
<derek> i went over yesterday or day before the tools we have
<derek> and which were written in which language
<derek> Forms - Python
<derek> Reports - Python
<galliwog> yeah i remember
<derek> Integrator - No Code
<derek> ok
<derek> teh base applications and teh applications
<galliwog> i said i would be interested in the backend stuff
<derek> are all written using the framework
<derek> ok you want to talk to reinhard
<derek> or neilt
<derek> currently the big items that im aware of are
<derek> a. getting method code redone (chilly is starting this)
<derek> b. getting forms working w/ methods with geas (jamest was going to look at that)
<derek> for now i would say first step
<derek> would be to install all the tools
<derek> and get them working
<galliwog> ok
<derek> it will let you know what exists
<derek> and what parts are what
<derek> and then you will have a cvs version :)
<derek> probably pretty quickly you will see room for improvements :)
<galliwog> how many people do work on this project ??
<derek> once all installed then we can put you to work :)
<derek> um
<derek> we have like 25 or members i think with assignments
<derek> of which about 5-7 actively code
<galliwog> thats not much for such a huge project :)
<derek> we have several hundred that 'follow' the project
<galliwog> ok
<derek> galliwog we have had lots of people saying they want to help
<derek> but end up not having the time
<galliwog> i dont know yet if ill have time to help
<derek> most projects get written by a group less than 5
<derek> even really large ones
<galliwog> for now im on holidays for 4 weeks
<galliwog> so ill try
<derek> until they are widely adopted
<galliwog> then ill begin to work and i dont know yet how it will be
<derek> i assume as soon as our first 'shrink wrap' applications hit the internet
<derek> we will grow like nuts
<galliwog> ok im just downloading the cvs tree
<galliwog> derek: how do u do to conciliate your job and your work on this project ?
<derek> at work i dont really do gnue
<derek> its a project separate from my day job as is the case with many others
<galliwog> ok, but how many time do u spend working on gnuE ?
<derek> galliwog, lately not much
<derek> a few hours a week at most
<derek> jcater has been pulling most of the weight :)
<derek> jamest too, but he also has gotten busy
<galliwog> ok
<derek> http://iwsun4.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/01/08/08/010808hnaccenture.xml
<derek> some one should post this to gnuenterprise.org
<derek> so it doenst look like im the only poster :)
<derek> its a good article that shows strength in gnue :)
<derek> i think
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<derek> hi chillywilly 
<chillywilly> hi
<chillywilly> dude window 98 blows
<chillywilly> trying to download ghostview for window via the win 98 box upstairs and it really sucks ass
<derek> i use gv on windows
<chillywilly> had to connect with GNU/Linux down here just to download something
<derek> the gv program is on time lock :(
<chillywilly> :P
<derek> it expired for me
<derek> the viewer that is
<derek> so when i want to use it
<chillywilly> Alladin?
<chillywilly> er
<chillywilly> Aladdin
<derek> i change my system date
<derek> and it works fine
<chillywilly> yeah
<derek> then change it back when done
<chillywilly> they have the AFPL
<derek> i use SO rarely
<chillywilly> I wonder if that is a free software license
<derek> gsview or whatever is the program
<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> yeah
<chillywilly> Aladdin gsview an Aladdin ghostcript
<chillywilly> wait until I get my network up then I can print to the printer upsatairs
<chillywilly> remotely
<derek> upstairs for me is 6 floors
<chillywilly> well I am at home of course
<chillywilly> I ain't got no job
<chillywilly> actaully the thing I am printgin is a cover letter ;)
<chillywilly> er, wanting to print
<chillywilly> I should check out this AFPL license
<chillywilly> I just wish they would develop GNU ghostscript and release under GPL
<chillywilly> artofcode LLC and Artifex Software Inc. are pleased to announce the release of AFPL Ghostscript version 7.00. Notable new features include embedded ICC color profiles, support for the PDF 1.4 transparency and blending imaging model, and a new API for invoking Ghostscript from other applications.
<chillywilly> Traditionally, at the time of each major AFPL release, there is a corresponding GPL release of the previous major release. This time, we plan to release 6.51 under the GPL, even though it contains significant features (particularly in PDF generation) over 6.01. The 6.51 release is scheduled for later this month so we have time to make sure the release will be fully polished.
<chillywilly> This is the first major release since artofcode LLC has taken over maintenance of Ghostscript development. I look forward to continuing to work with the entire Ghostscript community to make Ghostscript even better.
<chillywilly> why don't they just use the GPL to begin with
<chillywilly> ?
<derek> http://www.maricopa.gov/human_resources/job_pdf/itc-icjis.pdf
<derek> chillywilly stupidity
<chillywilly> what's that?
Action: chillywilly is dowloading ghostview an dghostscript
<chillywilly> I'm already lagged
<chillywilly> gawd this connection blows
<chillywilly> is libertydistribution.com a work domain?
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<derek> huh?
<chillywilly> where you are at dude
<chillywilly> you think you are invisible
<chillywilly> ?
<chillywilly> :P:
<chillywilly> dneighbo@mail.liberydistribution.com
<derek> dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com is not valid
<derek> to best of my knowledge
<derek> btw: im not invisible just highly spoofed
<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> where does that domain come from then
<chillywilly> nevermind
<chillywilly> I;ll look it up
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> look at the admin
<chillywilly> er, contact
<chillywilly>  LDC, Inc.  (I14412-OR)  jmeskill@libertydistribution.com
<chillywilly> isn't that Jade?
<galliwog> derek r u there ?
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<galliwog> chillywilly: i hav a probleme installing geas
<derek> yeah its jade
<derek> chillywilly can you help galliwog, im knee deep in issue here
<galliwog> chillywilly: i have a problem while running ./configure
<galliwog> the scripts tells me  *** The glib-config script installed by GLIB could not be found
<galliwog> *** If GLIB was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
<galliwog> *** your path, or set the GLIB_CONFIG environment variable to the
<galliwog> *** full path to glib-config.
<galliwog> and
<galliwog> *** The orbit-config script installed by ORBIT could not be found
<galliwog> *** If ORBit was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
<galliwog> *** your path, or set the ORBIT_CONFIG environment variable to the
<galliwog> *** full path to orbit-config.
<galliwog> all this stuff is installed ...
<galliwog> elGodz:/home/manu/Dev/GnuE/binaries/geas-0.0.5# whereis glib-config
<galliwog> glib-config: /usr/bin/glib-config /usr/share/man/man1/glib-config.1.gz
<galliwog> any idea ,?
<chillywilly> ummmmm
<chillywilly> sorry
<chillywilly> was printing some stuff
<chillywilly> gonna fax it tomorrow
<galliwog> no probleme
<derek> probably do your configure / autogen 
<derek> --with-prefix=/usr/bin/
<derek> or something
<chillywilly> lemme see
<galliwog> its really strange
<galliwog> it doesnt see those programs that are in the path
<derek> that or update path
<derek> or add the variable for GLIB
<chillywilly> cdpath should usually contain /usr/bin
<chillywilly> s/cd//
<galliwog> manu@elGodz:~/Dev/GnuE/binaries/geas-0.0.5$ echo $PATH 
<galliwog> /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
<chillywilly> I doubt his box doesn't have /usr/bin in the PATH
<derek> what distro you using
<galliwog> woody
<galliwog> deb
<derek> hmmm
<chillywilly> geas deb?
<galliwog> ?
<derek> most developers here are using that 
<chillywilly> nevermind
Action: chillywilly is running debian sid
<derek> chilly did mr-you finish the debs?
<derek> maybe we could just try the debs?
<chillywilly> I dunno
<chillywilly> well I am not sure where they are
<chillywilly> do you know?
<chillywilly>  --with-glib-prefix=PFX   Prefix where GLIB is installed (optional)
<chillywilly>   --with-glib-exec-prefix=PFX Exec prefix where GLIB is installed (optional)
<derek> did he check in
<chillywilly>   --with-orbit-prefix=PFX   Prefix where ORBIT is installed (optional)
<chillywilly>   --with-orbit-exec-prefix=PFX Exec prefix where ORBIT is installed (optional)
<galliwog> i have tried one
<chillywilly> derek: it's not incvs
<derek> ah thats what i wsa looking for the --with-glib-prefix==
<galliwog> no success
<chillywilly> darn
<galliwog> ill try again
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> what's in config.log?
<derek> you sure glib is installed ok?
<chillywilly> can you execute glib-config from that dir by hand?
<galliwog> yep
<chillywilly> what's config.log then?
<galliwog> nothing interesting
<chillywilly> hmmm
<galliwog> the only failure appears with python
<galliwog> i have to install some packages i think
<chillywilly> k
<chillywilly> well
<chillywilly> I gotta go eat
<derek> http://lists.gnue.org/pipermail/gnue-geas/2001-July/000236.html
<chillywilly> brb
<derek> is what i saw on the debs
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<chillywilly> looks like a quick hack
<chillywilly> at making debs
<chillywilly> anyway
<chillywilly> I'll bbl
<chillywilly> I promise
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<derek> hey its jamest's evil twin jamest_
<jamest_> bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha, soon you all will bow to the might of XP
<derek> um
<derek> yeah sure
<derek> what you said
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<jamest_> isn't that what you gov workers do in AZ?
<jamest_> KS thought all us gov workers got to nap all day
<jamest_> ks = i 
<derek> nothing compared to the lethargy in state employees ;)
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<jamest_> it's only toped by our apathy
<chillywilly> topped?
<chillywilly> or is toped some big word that  I don't know
<chillywilly> anyone know how I can fax something form a GNU/Linux box?
<chillywilly> usign a plain old modem
<derek> toped = go by foot
<derek> to ped
<chillywilly> lol
<jamest_> chillywilly: sendfax
<chillywilly> jamest_: that'll work with a plain old modem?
<jamest_> or does plan old modem = modem without any fax capabilities 
<chillywilly> yes
<derek> www.efax.com
<chillywilly> I think the one upstairs is s faw/modem
<chillywilly> s/faw/fax
<jamest_> i don't think you can do that and the hardware must negotiate the connection before passing control to computer 
<chillywilly> darn
<chillywilly> well the upsatirs box is a winders bow
<chillywilly> box
<derek> http://www.efax.com
<chillywilly> checking it out sir
<chillywilly> but can you send faxes?
<derek> bummer
<derek> yeah yoiu can but looks like yo uhave to subscription to SEND them
<chillywilly> eh?
<derek> receiving them is free
<chillywilly> crap
<derek> sending cost subscriptiong :(
<derek> my bad
<chillywilly> what's a good proggy to this under winders
<jamest_> that's cheating anyway
<jamest_> as it's only indirectly using the modem :)
<chillywilly> jamest_: no it ain't
<chillywilly> FAX is stupid anyway
<jamest_>  /msg chillywilly shhh, I'm giving derek a hard time
<derek> there was free one i used
<jamest_> i must go get beat up now
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> have fun
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<chillywilly> hee
<chillywilly> you ever see the flinestones camera
<chillywilly> a little bird etches the picture out of ston
<chillywilly> stone
<chillywilly> heh
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<derek> sounds like our datacenter ;)
<derek> the little data operator etches new payroll records on stone tablets
<chillywilly> oh duh
<chillywilly> I do have a fax modem
<chillywilly> cool
<chillywilly> what is ssome good free fax software
<chillywilly> ?
<chillywilly> sendfax?
<chillywilly> what about helifax?
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<derek> http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10016-100-6777302.html?tag=st.dl.10001-103-2.lst-7-9.6777302
<derek> oh you want for unix
<derek> hylafax
<chillywilly> GNU/Linux man
<chillywilly> so I cna fax a cover letter and resume
<chillywilly> to this place
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<derek> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/comm/
<derek> efax
<chillywilly> hrrrrm
<derek> gfax
<chillywilly> yeah
<chillywilly> there's lots of them
<derek> hylafax-client
<chillywilly> klprfax
<derek> hylafax-server
<derek> are waht you probably want
<derek> bye bye
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<dnWork> jamest_ so you get kung foo'ed up?
<chillywilly> hey
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<chillywilly> you guys jnow what this is
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<chillywilly>   <_>
<chillywilly> 	oo 7
<chillywilly>  (..)
<chillywilly>    """
<derek> jamest_ trying to spell goat luvin in russian?
<chillywilly> anyone care to guess?
<derek> i did guess
<chillywilly> just fyi ajmitch did not know what it is
<chillywilly> noooo
<chillywilly> it's a GNU
<chillywilly> sheesh
<chillywilly>   <_>
<chillywilly> 	oo 7
<chillywilly>  (..)
<chillywilly>    """
<derek> thats a stretch
<chillywilly> no it isn't
<chillywilly> his eyes are to the left
<chillywilly> the 7 is his ear
<chillywilly> the < > are his horns
<nickr> mee
<nickr> err
<nickr> moo
<derek> (o)(o)
<derek> any guesses?
<chillywilly> and the """ is his shaggy beard
<nickr> booo
<nickr> b
<chillywilly> derek: come one now
<nickr> (.)(.)
<derek> that is (o)(o) 10 years later :)
<chillywilly> those are your beedy eyes right nickr ;)
<derek> (.)(.)
<nickr> oh my god a good meel feels nice
<derek> and 20 years later
<nickr> (*)(*)
<derek> UU
<derek> er
<nickr> eww
<derek> \/\/
<derek> is 20 years later
Action: nickr is high
<derek> \./\./
<derek> i guess would be more accurate
<chillywilly> ASCII art rocks
<nickr> =^^
<nickr> =^^=
<nickr> =^.^=
<nickr> there, kitty
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<jcater> is that a double dose of jamest I see?
<jamest_> oh yeah baby
<jcater> scary thought
<jamest_> too much jamest is never enough
<jamest_> so how goes it down south
<jcater> fun
<jcater> had my son tonight, so that was cool
<jamest_> cool
<jamest_> how many more years till he's a code machine like his father
<derek> 9 months
<derek> then the cater congitive skillz kick in
<jcater> he just turned 3
<jcater> give him at least 4 years
<jamest_> hey derek
<jamest_> can anyone access cvs?
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<derek> huh
Action: jamest_ wants to gnue
<chillywilly> uhhuh
<jamest_> but cvs won't let me
<jamest_> jcater had just informed me that GPL code was to be 'viral' in nature
<chillywilly> eh?
<jamest_> i had thought i was supposed vile code, not viral
<jamest_> but that's no reason to revoke my cvs access
<jamest_> :)
<jcater> we revoked your cvs because you are not doing the minimum number of commits required (1 a day)
<jamest_> well
<jamest_> if I had cvs I may have a commit
<jamest_> sometime
<jamest_> :)
<jamest_> so cvs is working for you guys?
<chillywilly> fucking hylafax setup script is stupid
<jcater> lemme check
<jcater> chillywilly: that would be a stupid thing to do
<jamest_> jcater: lol
<chillywilly> jcater: haha....dork!
<jcater> thanks
<jamest_> chillywilly: hylafax makes you pay dearly for your usage of it
<chillywilly> how so?
<jamest_> it's a royal pain in the ass
<jamest_> to setup
<jamest_> and it's gotten a lot better than it was
<derek> hmmm if its pain in ass
Action: jcater thinks cvs is down for him too
<derek> perhaps its the one doing the 'fucking'
<jcater> oh, wait... it's just slow
<jamest_> in either case, someone should get some flowers
<jamest_> maybe dinner
<jamest_> jcater: by slow you mean pre 300 baud speeds I assume
<jamest_> as I'm still logging in
<jamest_> sigh
<jcater> there was a LOOONG pause in logging in
<chillywilly> jamest_: you configure it by hand then?
<jcater> but once logged in, it worked normally
<jcater> but that was updating, not committing
Action: jcater doesn't have anything to commit
Action: jcater has not coded much lately
<jamest_> chillywilly: I used the script when it became available
<derek> cvs works for me
<jamest_> chillywilly: prior version I don't remember detail
<derek> update
<chillywilly> it bitches about so many things missin and it does not look in the right places
<jamest_> i just remember when I when to update I was dreading the setup
<chillywilly> it is stupid
<jcater> maybe it prefers stable systems
<jamest_> and the setup script was nice in comparison to my that experience
<chillywilly> jcater: grrrr
<jamest_> jcater: I'm trying to update not commit
<chillywilly> jcater: no comments from the peanut gallery
<jamest_> chillywilly: you're a debian users right?
<chillywilly> yes
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue/gnuef/samples$ cvs $GNUECVS commit contact.gfd 
<derek> Checking in contact.gfd;
<derek> /home/cvs/gnue/gnuef/samples/contact.gfd,v  <--  contact.gfd
<derek> new revision: 1.15; previous revision: 1.14
<derek> done
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue/gnuef/samples$ 
<derek> commit worked too
<jamest_> hylafax was apt-get'able last I knew
<chillywilly> well I apt-got it
<jamest_> i use hylafax-client IIRC on workstations
<derek> right in the rear
<derek> rofl
<jcater> how apt
<chillywilly> derek: hehe......dork!
<derek> jcater: rofl
<derek> poor chilly no love from the gnue team
<jamest_> derek: you plan on releasing something this weekend?
<chillywilly> screw you guys
<jamest_> if so I'll tag cvs prior to the new ds merge
<derek> um
<derek> its up to you guys
<derek> you think its worth releasing
<derek> or do you want to merge the tree
<derek> and do a release of the new stuff?
<derek> next week
<chillywilly> release this
<jcater> rofl
Action: jcater thinks derek enjoys releasing "a little too much"
<chillywilly> because it gives the illision of something being done
<jamest_> lol
<jamest_> jesus, this is killing me
<jamest_> issue cvs command
<chillywilly> hey!
<jamest_> type password
<chillywilly> jesus had nothig to do with it man
<jamest_> get drink
<jamest_> feed fish 
<jamest_> ponder meaning of life
<jamest_> paint bathroom
<jamest_> take up a hobby
<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> it's not going slow is it?
<jcater> of course, you could code more
<jamest_> well, I'm doing a cvs status to see what conflicts still exist
<jcater> this may be old news: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT2094189920.html
<jcater> but it is an interesting read
<jcater> "My non-lawyerly interpretation is that the right to run the code does not appear to be protected by the GPL. So I find nothing to prohibit the seemingly paradoxical situation of freely distributing some code under the GPL, while simultaneously restricting its execution via a patent. "
<chillywilly> so jamest_ how do you like your tail?
<derek> rofl
<jamest_> well, if it didn't always cause so much trouble on the toilet I'd find it pretty keen
<chillywilly> lol
<jcater> is that why you were painting your bathroom during the cvs update?
<jamest_> :)
<chillywilly> he was painting it with his tail
<derek> i heard a new joke
<chillywilly> uh oh
<chillywilly> I hate hylafax!!!
<derek> how many oaf processes does it take to spawn an application?
<jcater> "A gnue programmer walked into a bar..."
<chillywilly> isn't there anything else I can use?!?
<derek> answer: i dont know, they wont stop long enough for the application to print a window
<derek> bada bing
Action: derek made that up
<jcater> rofl
<chillywilly> lame
<jamest_> chillywilly: mgetty?
<chillywilly> what kinda screwed up oaf are you using?
<chillywilly> yeah
<chillywilly> I looked at that
<jamest_> with sendfax
<jamest_> i think will stand alone
<jamest_> I believe hylafax is more feature rich 
<jamest_> but it's more of a multiuser setup
<chillywilly> well this setup sucks
<chillywilly> you caompile th apths in
<chillywilly> paths
<derek> chillywilly: gnome is the 'bizy0tch' that likes to spawn oaf processes like mad
<chillywilly> that faxsetup checks
<chillywilly> derek: not my gnome
<derek> gnome philosphy
<chillywilly> you must be usign some other gnome
<derek> if one oaf is good two is better
<derek> if two are good three would be better
<derek> and so on
<chillywilly> it is threaded silly
Action: derek hugs that ugly bonobo bastard child
<chillywilly> oaf is going away
<derek> you should tell ximian
<chillywilly> bonobo-activation is replacing it
<derek> that its trhreaded
<derek> as apparently they are not aware of that ;_)
<jcater> "How many gnue coders does it take to screw in a lightbulb?"
<chillywilly> lots
<jcater> "Two. One to screw it in and one to screw it up."
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/hcs$ mv EmailResume.jpg www/images/titles/email_resume.jpg
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/hcs$ ps -ax | grep oaf
<derek>   918 ?        SW     0:00 [oafd]
<derek>   919 ?        SW     0:00 [oafd]
<derek>   926 ?        SW     0:00 [oafd]
<derek>   929 ?        SW     0:00 [oafd]
<derek>   932 ?        SW     0:00 [oafd]
<derek>   945 ?        SW     0:00 [oafd]
<derek>   946 ?        SW     0:00 [oafd]
<derek>   947 ?        SW     0:00 [oafd]
<derek>   948 ?        SW     0:00 [oafd]
<derek>   951 ?        SW     0:00 [oafd]
<derek>   953 ?        SW     0:00 [oafd]
<derek>   955 ?        SW     0:00 [oafd]
<derek>   994 ?        S      0:00 gconfd-1 --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:gconfd:19991118 -- 3839 pts/0    S      0:00 grep oaf
<nickr> derek is an oaf(d)
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/hcs$ 
<jcater> dude! we get the point
<chillywilly>  2760 ?        S      0:00 oafd --ac-activate --ior-output-fd=9
<chillywilly>  2765 ?        S      0:00 gconfd-1 --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:gconfd:19991118 --oaf-ior-fd=10
<chillywilly> 20430 ?        S      0:00 sh -c ps ax | grep oaf
<chillywilly> 20432 ?        S      0:00 grep oaf
<jamest_> rofl
<chillywilly> your gnome sucks
<chillywilly> my gnome rocks
<derek> just wanted to let chilly know that gnome DOESNT understand one oaf is enough :)
<jamest_> hmmm
<chillywilly> bullshit look at my gnome
<jamest_> I'm not running avy oaf processes
<jamest_> avy = any
<derek> kde loving goat herder
<jcater> How many windows programmers does it tae to change a lightbulb ? 
<jcater> - 391. One to write "WinGetLightBulbHandle",
<jcater> one to write "WinGetLightBulbStatus",
<jcater> one to write "WinGetLight....... 
<jamest_> jcater: waitaminute
<chillywilly> jamest_: you're justa  KDE punk
Action: jcater is a kde punk too
<chillywilly> aaaaaargggh!
Action: derek is on way to being a kde punk
<chillywilly> you people make me sick
<jcater> why?
<derek> dont blame us
<jcater> it's a gpl'd system
<derek> blame gnome
<chillywilly>  2661 ?        S      1:44 nautilus --sm-config-prefix /nautilus-YVlZL6/ --sm-client-id 11a9cf843e000099720755900000012980002 --no-default-window
<chillywilly>  2779 ?        S      0:00 nautilus --sm-config-prefix /nautilus-YVlZL6/ --sm-client-id 11a9cf843e000099720755900000012980002 --no-default-window
<chillywilly>  2780 ?        S      0:00 nautilus --sm-config-prefix /nautilus-YVlZL6/ --sm-client-id 11a9cf843e000099720755900000012980002 --no-default-window
<chillywilly>  2781 ?        S      0:00 nautilus --sm-config-prefix /nautilus-YVlZL6/ --sm-client-id 11a9cf843e000099720755900000012980002 --no-default-window
<chillywilly>  2782 ?        S      0:00 nautilus --sm-config-prefix /nautilus-YVlZL6/ --sm-client-id 11a9cf843e000099720755900000012980002 --no-default-window
<chillywilly>  2783 ?        S      0:00 nautilus --sm-config-prefix /nautilus-YVlZL6/ --sm-client-id 11a9cf843e000099720755900000012980002 --no-default-window
<chillywilly>  2784 ?        S      0:00 nautilus --sm-config-prefix /nautilus-YVlZL6/ --sm-client-id 11a9cf843e000099720755900000012980002 --no-default-window
<jcater> it's free... what's wrong w/kde?
<chillywilly>  2785 ?        S      0:00 nautilus --sm-config-prefix /nautilus-YVlZL6/ --sm-client-id 11a9cf843e000099720755900000012980002 --no-default-window
<chillywilly> 20441 ?        S      0:00 sh -c ps ax | grep nautilus
<nickr> its ugly.
<chillywilly> 20443 ?        S      0:00 grep nautilus
<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> debian unstable's Gnome rules
<jamest_> jcater: don't windows coders use MasochistFreak Naming standards (don't recall real name)
<jamest_> the whole DFHA&YU!@#$DASDAAName()
<jamest_> crap
<jcater> oh, yeah
<nickr> its called err Romanian?
<nickr> something like that
<chillywilly> what version of oaf you got derek?
<jamest_> reverseromanian masochistic bitchstyle naming coventions
<chillywilly> Hungarian
<nickr> bitchslap naming conventions
<chillywilly> notation
<nickr> Yea
<nickr> Hungarian notation
<jamest_> All functions must begin with the types of args passed, the return value, and the abbriviation for the day on which the function was coded
<nickr> so the return type is denoted in the function name too
<jamest_> in pig latin
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> yep
Action: jamest_ is having windows coding flashbacks
<nickr> lfSuesdayTay()
<jamest_> lol
<chillywilly> jamest_: my respect for you is even lower now that you are a KDE luser
<chillywilly> and jcater, well....you know how I feel about you
<chillywilly> :P
<jcater> what's wrong w/KDE?
<jcater> it's free, is it not?
<chillywilly> go to #kde and tell them that all software should be free and the GPL protects your freedom, etc. lemme know what they say, ok?
<chillywilly> I dunno
<chillywilly> I just don;t like it
<chillywilly> :P
<chillywilly> I am only messgin with jamest_
<nickr> I think it smells funny
<jamest_> jcater: the project lead's can't look as cool as Miguel de Icaza
<jcater> jamest_: gotcha
<chillywilly> jamest_: how about the fact that it is GNU?
<jamest_> just think how cool gnue could be if we could get derek to change his name
<chillywilly> should I go use kontor or whatever?
<jamest_> Masta De Desasta
<jcater> roflmao
<chillywilly> fuck it man....if there's a GNU equivalent than I will us eGNU
<chillywilly> that's it
<chillywilly> end of story
<jamest_> chillywilly: that's cool
<chillywilly> screw it I am switching to GNUStep
<chillywilly> and learning ObjC
<jamest_> :)
<nickr> puke
<nickr> gnustep :P
<nickr> objc is cool though.
<chillywilly> I don't like Ximian though
<chillywilly> they are little bitches
<nickr> fuck em then
<chillywilly> arrogant assholes
<nickr> they aren't in charge of gnome
<chillywilly> every Ximian guy I have ever chatted with on IRC was a jerk
<chillywilly> they don't impress me
<jamest_> I'd love to use gnome if only they'd
<jamest_>   speed it up
<chillywilly> what?
<chillywilly> ah
<jamest_>   make it stabler
<chillywilly> GNU is a bit slower with things
<chillywilly> heh, it seems rock solid for me
<jamest_> I know, we're their poster child for timelines :)
<chillywilly> yeah baby
<chillywilly> man I feel like crap
<chillywilly> my nose is running all over thr place
<chillywilly> maybe I should go to bed early
<chillywilly> before I get sick
<chillywilly> or something
<chillywilly> well I guess I won't be faxing anythig
<chillywilly> hylafax is a pain in the ass
<chillywilly> I need mor etie to beat on it
<chillywilly> time
<chillywilly> you would think the script would look where debian installs stuff at
<nickr> fix it
<chillywilly> too tired
<chillywilly> and feeling crummy
<jamest_> anyone have a small woodland creature they're not too fond of handy?
Action: jamest_ is getting ready to run merge'd gnue code base
<derek> im fresh out of squirrels
<jamest_> damn
<chillywilly> eeek
<jcater> yuvk
<derek> i hear there are some stray cats
<derek> and some obnoxious kids there in manhattan
<chillywilly> you merging the brach into the trunk?
<jamest_> I'm mergeing trunk into branch
<jamest_> in prep for merge back into head
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> trunk is HEAD
<jamest_> yip
<chillywilly> that's what I meant
<chillywilly> usually people keep stable releaes on branches
<jamest_> yip
<chillywilly> all development is in HEAD
<chillywilly> well
<chillywilly> sometimes anyway
<jamest_> probably should have done it that way
<jamest_> but thought we'd be starting UI at same time
<chillywilly> well you still can
<chillywilly> the branch can become the next stable release
<chillywilly> then all bug fixes xan go into the branch
<chillywilly> assuming you merge it into HEAD
<chillywilly> sorry
<chillywilly> I read the cvs book the other day
<chillywilly> it talked about some strategies for branch management
<jamest_> that's what I'm using too
<jamest_> one thing we'll need to change in future
<jamest_> is the idea that HEAD always works
<chillywilly> yeah
<chillywilly> but whrn stuff is so BETA
<chillywilly> it doesn't matter
<derek> jamest_ i vote that we use branches properly :)
<derek> basically you tag cvs head on a release
<chillywilly> sure
<derek> then if there is a 'patch' to apply before next release
<chillywilly> there's a couple strategies though
<chillywilly> that you can use
<derek> we create a branch from that tag
<jamest_> i don't care how it's done
<derek> or something similar
<derek> actually i dont care either
<derek> as long as its consistent :)
<jamest_> but when cvs head breaks people yell at me (or whoever did it)
<chillywilly> all depends on how you want to manage the tree
<derek> chillywilly: well i think after 0.1.0
<chillywilly> cvs HEAD shoudl be unstable
<derek> we can have bad head ;)
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> that's sound sexual
<chillywilly> sounds
<derek> until then it would be rather irrating to check out tagged versions
<derek> so lets have head be stable for now
<derek> until we release 0.1.0
<derek> which should be VERY soon
<derek> assuming this merge goes well
<derek> then we tag it
Action: jcater is HEADing to bed, I BRANCHed out so much today, I'm tired
<derek> and can manage in a way that head really means you are getting screwed :)
<derek> rolf
<derek> er rofl
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<jamest_> lol , this merge will break lots
<jamest_> I'm 100% sure of it
<jamest_> master/detail is toast
<jamest_> but the code is so radically different
<jamest_> we have to get this back in HEAD soon
<chillywilly> be careful of keyword expansion
<jamest_> thus my original offer to tag before I merge it
<chillywilly> yes
<chillywilly> tags are good
<chillywilly> you wanna tag the branch whe you merge
<chillywilly> asd you wnan merge form that point to the tip of the branch
<chillywilly> er
<chillywilly> eventaully
<derek> tag it 
<derek> tag it
[23:38] MSG541Action: nickr tags the wall
<derek> argh
<derek> if i did a cvs rm somefile
<derek> and now i want it back
<derek> but did NOT do a commit
<derek> how do i get it back
<derek> i tried a cvs update somefile
<derek> but it does
<derek> R somefile
<derek> and the file isnt there
<jamest_> um
<jamest_> you should be able to 
<derek> i guess hack CVS/Entrires?
<nickr> did I ever mention that I think cvs sucks?
<jamest_> cvs update file.name
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/hcs/www/images$ cvs $HCSCVS update employer.jpg
<derek> R employer.jpg
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/hcs/www/images$ 
<derek> and the file aint there
<jamest_> ah
<jamest_> then do
<jamest_> cvs add filename
<derek> emacs CVS/Entries
<jamest_> huh
<derek> remove the offending file
<derek> and then
<derek> cvs udpate filename
<derek> worked
<jamest_> just use the add command
<derek> jamest_ watch out for a commit mail from hell on hcs
<jamest_> :)
<derek> its been about 4 minutes in uploading the changes alone
Action: derek is thinking that the diff mail will actually get held because it will be too big
<derek> there were tons of image changes
<chillywilly> night
<jamest_> nite
<chillywilly> I feel icky
<chillywilly> bye bye
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