i thought you had it all up & working again? and this kernel compile is taking forever nope well not my laptop just this box replacing the kernel on my recue floppy and making my own driver floppies hehe lazy sod, get a move on & get it reinstalled! :) I have been screwing with things all day heh Action: ajmitch has disturbing image talked Ke for a while on the phone though after sleeping until 2pm or so curse that /. post i just saw ajmitch i was wonderinng if he had a sore rod? s/Ke/to Joe/ heh I want xfs enabled kernelshit I don't think this kernel has xfs in it fuuuudge mayeb I need to swap this drive out again and compile it on the athlon ;) where can you get an xfs patch for 2.4.8? I looke at oss.sgi.com looked is xfs not in the 2.4 series yet? nope, it si not in nickr you still here having guile issues yes what issues? um i wish ii could cut and paste argh shit I need a clean patch....aw crud should've kept my config doh! Action: MicahY uses XFS on his server Action: nickr uses l33tfs to keep up with the latest kernel, you need to use the CVS snapshot hehe MicahY what kernel version? ok Have been using 2.4.6pre2 + CVS XFS for about 2 months now. no problems do they just have the xfsstuff r the whole kernel tree? originally started with the Red Hat 7.1 installer but that kernel had MAJOR problems screwed up my FS, had to upgrade. Has been great ever since they have the whole tree fudge ERROR: Could not find slib/require.scm in ("/usr/share/guile/site" "/usr/share/guile1.4" "/usr/share/guile" ".") that'll take forever don't they have cvs patches? right now the XFS code affects the main kernel in too many ways to merge really easily but they're working on that dpkg: error processing guile1.4-slib (--configure): I don't think so. But they merge with most if not all official prepatches you need more? damn and linus kernels the thing is, 1.0.1 was a long time ago nickr ? there's only an official patch to 2.4.5 and Red Hat's 2.4.3 I think and a lot has changed in both XFS and the kernel since then and I got 2.4.8 like a moron so you have to use CVS to keep up to date derek: I dunn, I didn't have that problem nickr anyway to get around it? does cvs have the latest kernel? dpkg --force-overwrite --force-depends mabye? dont know :( derek: no, its a compilationt problem yeah they usually sync with latest prepatch and Linus kernel within a couple days ok, and how can you tell what version it is? uhh... I think you can browse the CVS tree on the web and you can look at the makefile in there and the mailing list MicahY no decent browser here the SGI guys write a message starting with "TAKE:" whenever they submit a commit I suppsoe I cna live with lynx and many of those messages are about syncing with the latest kernel i found a require.scm how big is the cvs tree? and moved it in one of places its looking dunno du -c what is the module name? ok... 201MB holy crap fuck yeah but id that a clean tree? s/id/is that's my version, still at 2.4.6pre2 oh no guess that could make a difference. :) your not updated thought are you? you're I logged in via anoncvs hmm, fun, i just entered in a programming competition today, seems i should try & learn C :) what is the module name? oh... dunno... hi MicahY I'll see if I can find out hi ajmitch linux that's the module name there's also cmd, which is the set of XFS commands Action: derek is tearing hair out the utilities? looks like it's at 2.4.8 curretly mkfs.xfs, etc. Linus kernel yeah, right xfsdump hrrrrrm nickr : fwiw maybe it's time for me to upgrade my server..... this is just a pain i think it thought guile was installed already so it wasnt trying to reinstall it but gnucash had a dep and it was barfing or something so i removed both of those packages and am trying AGAIN Its unstable. Its not supposed to work. chillywilly: you're right, galeon is reasonably fast, but it still crashed on me yesterday ;) I should maybe install using potato disks and upgarde and move data around then make xfs partitions galeon crashes on me all the time must be all the porn I look at ajmitch not my problem err chillywilly: it crashes, so it must be crap ;) mozilla 0.9.3 has crashed twice on me already getting closer 0.9.2 didn't crash once all month! ajmitch it occasionally crashes, but not too often down to 95 packages konqueror crashes a bit more for me, but i run the cvs builds of that as well Action: ajmitch will bbl As of Moz 0.9.1, I used it and Konqueror about 50/50. Now it's Moz about 80/20 cvs galeon should work ok although when they switch to using gconf it was really fscked up Action: MicahY is looking forward to KDE/Konq 2.2. That might turn the tides again. :) libscrollkeeper barfing all over I hate KDE overwrite should fix though nickr you might turn me into a dpkg master yet we should change our name to KGNUe :) so we can be cool heh Action: MicahY likes KDE desktop but prefers many Gnome apps like xchat, pan, gnumeric, abiword, gimp Action: chillywilly prefers Gnome desktop MicahY what are all the modules that you can get? for xfs? Just linux and cmd i think. linx, xfsdump, .... linux ooooh ok actually...... maybe the top level module is linux-2.4-xfs linux and cmd are subdirectories of it.... sorry.... ok I'll live wow testing has mozilla 0.9.1 now a days I need potater disks so I an get data off of my laptop fuck all this monkeying around ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.143) left irc: [x]chat hey derek how much do you have to upgrade to go from potato to woody if you just install base? You know off hand? 3 innings of a diamond back game 10 times longer going from sid to woody than it was potato to woody thats for sure I mean MB chillywilly dont know you have a faster connection than I do screw it I;ll install tomorrow using the T3 :PP just gonan backup some data still going to LWE derek? I wanted to have some debian packages available if possibe.. I misread that 'Ask conan backup some data' what is the standard? vanilla? mmm vanilla im still going as is jamest and jcater and we are trying to coerce micah into coming where is lwe? san francisco moscone center well I am gonna install diffeently on my laptop here ;) hmmmm gonna try and shuffle data around to get xfs partitions chillywilly may i ask why all the trouble to get new foo file system? are there features in it you 'need'? or is it like your kernel obsession cause xfs is kewl and if I am gonna doa fresh install I might as well playwith it (ie cause you can) oy hrm it performs better actually that's somewhat debatable um in smoking xchat sessions are you gonna be able to tell the diff? its like jfs main advantage is no long fscks well it is journaling while ithink its WAY cool that 's nioce um likely hood of me actively using it and it making a difference for me is NOT EVEN CLOSE to the hassle of runing something highly expiremental :) whatfun would it be if I didn't try? heh ok thats acceptable answer :) thats why its highly experimental I run sid usually sounds like tonight so... sid is running you :) no just was thinking of fucking around with these install disks I am quite possibly an imbecile for putting it on my colo server that's 400 miles away that have xfs support caus eht pcmcia modules are fuxcked up but I'm fairly sure it has stabilized to the point where I can sleep at night. :) and i need to backup date ioff of my laptop data but screw it sid rules my house potato disks will let me setup pcmcia and get my mini zip drive going to pull shit off of my laptop hadr drive then I cna doa fresh install tomorrow and be back in business back u8gh I think the kids tried to jam somethng into my pcmcia slot lol Action: ajmitch wonders whether to go forth & do battel with MS access for a couple of hours, or do python coding code 2 live, live 2 code heh i hate access, but the assignment is due quite soon however the python stuff is meant to be done by tomorrow ;) (simple cgi script to edit webpages) and the python stuff pays right? chillywilly: when will your laptop be up & running? nope oh whats it for? that's different python stuff, due next wednesday the one due tomorrow is for maintaining a website what site dude? local CathSOC site btw, this is the last time I use custom disks :P hehe potato forever hmm, weird i think i shoudl take a look at my other computer it's not going properly top, ps, lsof, all hang wow i cant believe it I wish the clock on here was right ;) dist-upgrade is FINALLY complete derek (dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: BitchX: faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive yipeee! scoooooooooby doooooooooby doooooooo Action: ajmitch is worried when stuff like ps hangs you have the borked glibc? nope borked hardware i could try & upgrade libc6 to 2.2.3-9 but i know that the hardware in that box is bad what is it at? oh it has 2.2.3-8 i could upgrade the kernel too i guess but i would really like to see GNU/Hurd running stable on there ;) install the Huird then are the hurd CDs bootable? i think so but i have no hurd cds like if you ha d ascratch system could you use phil' s CDs? and is gnu/hurd really that stable? yeah it is sgetting better besides, that box has my cdwriter oh i could swap them over but i put the cdwriter in there so i could kill this system while burning in the other ;) shouldn't it be able to handle the load? hah and still write good cds this thing can nearly slow to a crawl when i load it up with a few hefty apps & compiles ;) is it a cheap burner? no 4x write Action: chillywilly should get one for this old box derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hello wb derek yeah but i really doubt that even a good burner will not underrun in this box ;) im back im back im back from laptop! uh oh networking is RESTORED with debian? kewl Action: ajmitch wants putty to work from the uni computers laptop's kick butt but damn gdm or water it is back regualr keyboard suck and trying to start x anyhow many thanks nickr hey i still cant get it to stop throw PACKET messages to console derek: it is my duty to serve. if i can get putty to work then my horrific exposure to NT won't be as bad i started syslog and it still did it you ever see thast optical mouse that fits on you palm area? I want one of those anyway, bbl, i'm going off to uni to kill my brain cells ;) i restarted thinking it might be like winders hahaha http://www.connectglobally.com they got good laptop stuff they just sent me a catalogue super freak man super freak that girls a superfreak shes a very kinky girl, the kind you wont take home to mother Action: derek wonders how some of this stuff gets into his playlist I wish those mini CD-RW drives didn't cost an arm and a leg $300 is a bit much for one computer peripheral from rick james : superfreak to kenny rodgers : the gambler mmmm 'palm area' sounds like something from a feminine product commerical super mini optical mouse do you sometimes get moisture in your 'palm area'? nickr: rofl I didn't now what to call it freaky boy know man those presariois look cool 3.5lbs my laptop is a fat hog HOW PLEASE HOW do i get packet log to go else where than console? please please please it majorly sucks derek: they have a cream for it hehe packet log? he means iptables output I dunno run X :P try switching to another virtual console won't matter dude it'll still spit crap out at ya comment out syslogd.conf syslog.conf there's a way to turn it off Mr_You: you lost me i have a syslog.conf not a syslogd.conf man I hope some day I cna just buy naything off the shelf and have it work with GNU/Linux and i dont see what to uncomment yes a laptop stnd I need on eof those Action: chillywilly is looking through his catalogue Action: chillywilly writes potater floppies you know what Fred is a really a dork shaggy is the cool one reinhard (rm@62.47.44.55) joined #gnuenterprise. sup reinhard chillywilly: dont dis fred man reinhard yo as fred kicks some serious tail derek plz shag ansd scoob are the cool ones fred was gay who do you think everyone relates to? nickr: man dont dis on fred and the mystery machine fred is a drok fred was a whiteboy fag shag and scoob rule!!! not that theres anything wrong with that cartoon network rules too though his sense of style was a little off c'mon, ascots went out in the 50s! nickr that's the faggy little handkerchief thingy? yea around his neck its more fruity heh I remember this comedian's act Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) left irc: night he as like hey man all you have to do is say shaggy and scooby and people know what's up and can relate it was funny the way he said it though and he kept working ti into his act you ever see that one drag queen enligh comedian guy...I dunno his name he's hilarious I saw him on HBO a while ago he did the shag and scooby joke and all these jokes about various cultures and history, I was rofl I love it when they tie previous stuff back into the later jokes grrrr tar on the [ptato floppies will not let me create and archive *sigh* major kick butt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i finally burned a ton of mp3s to CD heh and my DVD/MP3 player for home audio reads them and they sound GOOD! seems like chillywilly is still playing ;) one CD like 45 songs way kick butt now i need a car CD/MP3 player that will read MP3 CD's and im set just trying to salvage date chillywilly: before you start, yes i know about ogg, yes i use ogg that'll teach me to not have cron make a backup for me yes i love ogg :) i need to go to bed eh see you guys inthe morning dtm: you get all my emails I wasn't gonan say anything on the tradeshow I still use mp3s chillywilly: oh must of been someone else giving me crap about mp3s then Action: derek apologizes it probably was me but I am hypocritical sometimes :) :P heh for church i only create .ogg will proably start doing both though but now with this player working i need to keep mp3 copies of things on CD I hope these woody disks have a better tar so i can play with it anyhow night all Nick change: derek -> dnZzzz night not to self note use cron to make backups and an email reminder to put those backups on portable media duh lol you lose much? ajmitch if I can't make tarballs I will loose everything Action: ajmitch hopes like heck that his hard drive isn't failing in his other computer ouch why everything? cause I didn't have anything backed up but if you can access it now, why will you lose it? this will sevely suck ass how can I get all that data off? you cannot just copy to another hard drive? no i guess the laptop IDE connector is not suited for the desktop it's a laptop hard drive but still... surely you can copy stuff over the network to your mom's box? what network? I have no network you have no network still? yep othewise this would not bne an issue lack of cables & cards? yep or just no drivers? no physical devices hmm or cables I need to get some though Action: ajmitch hands chillywilly his parallel cable null? that would help too yeah, i got one of them here Action: ajmitch throws it across the little puddle called the pacific if all else fails maybe I shold get one of those use plip and pull the data onto this box or just a connector so you can plug the laptop drive into the desktop box are the connetors similar? I've never really had this thing apart quite similar, afaik really hrrrrm oh duh the drive doe spopout my boss has his 386 running without a case, and has a laptop drive hooked up duh [02:30] MSG541 thaty jsut might work it's funny seeing a motherboard sitting on a piece of foam on a desk with all the cards sticking out... and the hard drive lying on the bench beside it you using a decent irc client at the moment? bitchx k http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=207470&thesection=technology&thesubsection=general got a web browser? yay the woody floppie shave a better tar cool I can create tar balls Action: ajmitch imagines chillywilly tearing his hair out at the error msg 'Incorrect DOS version' Action: chillywilly wil just get the rest of the woody floppies heh if you get a chance, read that article bitchx does not log things unless you are away sucky link mailed ;) thanks Action: ajmitch likes mutt now I am sure you can make it do so I miss my mutt I could setup things here but I don't wanna screw it up er don't want mail on 2 diff systems it's one reason i want putty to work from uni I wonder what I am missing so i can sit in the comp lab & check my mail ;) not reading any mail for a couple days nothing on the FD & dotgnu lists, anyway ;) ok brb back hopefully no job related things that would suck then again I'll be up and running on my laptop soon ;) I have soe much shit in lost+found I hope not all of my fong files and mail is gone heh config ah, k ;) heh Action: ajmitch wondered what fong files were ;) my cvs repository is empty hmm er gsim is gnoe not good gone hopefully I have th echecked out copy i have my cvs repo on my other box, which is dying Action: chillywilly crosses fingers well that's not good an nfs mount locks up at the moment ;) I a just gonna tar up my home dir what's there is there nothign I cna do about it yeah :( I have learned a lesson o making backups though that's for sure gnue code is ok though all that is in cvs :P ajmitch:/var/log# mount 192.168.0.1:/ /mnt/gw the mount hangs /etc is very empyt though but on the other box in the logs: Aug 14 20:50:42 gw rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from 192.168.0.12:726 for / (/) what is that? nfs? you sound like you have a broken box there er? not here, on my laptop thus i t won't boot yep, nfs why did you fs corrupt so bad? laptop froze had to power it off man leftit on all night updating i've had the power go out on here during a compile, running ext2 it was sorta warm and the only dead part i had on my fs was the stuff being compiled atl-sysrq wasn't working either hmm hehe you wann hear some of the fuin I have had with this laptop? sounds like a pretty bad corruption for /etc to die I hjave had it free then had to ower it off and it corrupted sectors Action: ajmitch has had much fun with the dying computer the fan stopped working ouch I had to fsck by hand Action: ajmitch should check the fan again in his crappy computer all of it is in lost+found if you know a way to recover that I'd kiss you :P with tongue the worst fs corruption i've had was with ext2resize and hurd partitions (doesn't handle translators) even after that i could still bootup ;) this laptop is not the greatest it's not bad but the APM nand BIOS stuff is buggy Action: ajmitch wants a newer box once he has the money imho' soemtimes the fan doe snot want to kick on I think Kinux bock the interrupt for it sometimes Linux blocks 2 more floppy images to download ouch I hate when stuff like this happens and I have to spend days fucking around somtimes Linux can be unforgiving GNU/Linux heh wjatever too late to be typing it all out i don't seem to have the same level of problems as you mine are pretty minor with my computers; ) laptops can be a bitch I think I just ise it too much use it is probably a heating problem it rarely freezes up like that then again I did install the shitt glibc after reading the topic in #debian that moght of been the reason Action: ajmitch checks out pnet, pnetlib, treecc from subversions.gnu.org second time glibc has bitten me brb reinhard (rm@62.47.44.55) left irc: Those who say it can't be done should never stop those who are actually doing it. reinhard (rm@62.47.44.55) joined #gnuenterprise. 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here neilt: you won't believe it but i was just taking a shower :) :) good thing to do once a month i have about 1 and 1/2 hour and I am gone for the week, back to work reinhard: at 5pm reinhard: so if you have any comments, now is the time ok i once again compared gl.gcd with gl_post.gcd and they really don't differ very much the main differences are 1. accounts have a currency assigned with them 2. i store the amount in 3 currencies, louis only in 2 currencies 3. i have the summation thing built into the general journal and therefore i can also make summation when entries are done directly in the general journal and of course i left out a few things like segmentation etc. which i didn't think they are necessary for 0.1 version i've been looking at other systems and they generally have 2 options for currencies 1) enter exchange rate when you enter transaction 2) the system calculates exchange rate based on tables also they do store 2 currencies what is called the document curreny and the local currency (company currency) - i feel real good about moving segments to next version yeah cause i cant figure out how to make them work wanyway cool what i left out, too is - reporting for government and for financial statements (every country will have different needs there, anyway) can we agree to 2 currencies for this version? - recurring transactions (i don't think they are so important) neilt: to be honest, i don't know any program that has 3 currencies all have only 2 but all of them have the problem that every account has a currency and your company has a base currency and every transaction must be either in account currency or in company currency so if you are a company with USD and you have a bank account with DEM and you have a transaction with ATS that touches that bank account which 2 currencies would you store? i would do account and document for the time being we would recommend that people have all of the account currencies = company currencies except for special cases like bank accounts of course then you would typically have currencies translation accounts to offset the differences expenses and revenue always are company currency neilt: probably i meet a friend who is accountant in an international company this evening i will ask her if she thinks the 3 currency thing is important in practice ok, cool probably i could live with 2 currencies because i didn't have more for 10 years now :) you agree for doing goverment reporting and financial statements _not_ in initial release? or maybe even as a seperate country-dependent module? reinhard: yes that makes a lot of sense separate module ok what about recurring transactions? they are so simple to do i say go ahead its just a table with the data and its posted if the forms says ok reinhard: not sure i understand the summation thing could write how it is supposed to work and email me, so I can put in docs ok so actually the summation thing is the only thing we don't agree yet? not sure i agree to the objects, yet if so i will write a mail to accounting list and explain how i would imagine but just trying to understand the business requirements i moved segmentation to future requirements what would you do different for the objects? in the spec ok btw would you agree that it makes sense to put account and journal into the same module? no the definition of the account number scheme will be like a base module and potentially be used by many other modules the journals and general ledger are accounting only account number scheme == the segmentation thing? i am concerned that we limit ourselves too much of they are in the same module reinhard: and more, the acocunt number, description, active or not etc hmmmm what about a base_account in the base module like the base item ? will that means you get g/l account number with all of the other base stuff dont think that works either what are you concerned about IMHO it is easier to combine later than to separate later so i try to error on more modules, not less acutally i am concerned about dependencies the way i would like the modular system would be that each module can exist without all the others except a single or a few base module(s) currently we have a situation like accounting depends on sales accounting will probably depend on supply_chain (because of the vendor) supply_chain will maybe depend on accounting (to get the account number etc. no supply chain will not depend on accounting i see the interface between everthing and accounting as a transaction file that does not have account numbers on it this file can then feed other systems or oh our accounting system what will it have in it instead of the account numbers? and our accounting system will add the account numbers based on the data an account number can be mapped to a transaction type the transaction type will be our abstraction let's say a customer invoice we can have several revenue accounts depending on the goods for example revenue from licenses, revenue from hardware, revenue from service the accounting system would have to know all items of the sales module to decide which revenue account should be taken someplace there will have to be a map that could be in sales or accounting or separate have not thought through to this detail yet but I dont like the idea of sales depending on accounting or accounting on sales - however, just because we have a class reference from a class in accounting to a class in supply chain does not mean that we have a dependency I am thinking in terms of weak links if it exists then excellent, if not things still work - back But I have to admit that I have just started thinking in these terms ok my 2 cents because of all the aparrent dependencies now accounting depends on sales because the invoice _inherits_ from the sales module that's why i would like to see invoice in sales, not in accounting i think a class reference is a dependency, too, because you at least need the gcd installed to run geas reinhard: i dont understand let me explain - hold on thats why i have been thinking we need generic pointers that are resolved at runtime because without weak links, we are dead, in that we have to have everything installed also this is where i think the object oriented nature is getting in the way if i have a sales order it is linked to the invoice by the sales order number, it does not matter if the sales order exists or not sure but with the object references, i have to have a sales order object. so what is the object solution ? an idea would be to use non-object links for relations between far-away modules for example between sales and accounting this is also why early on i was using standard SQL references not object references exactly and to have the borders between the modules where the least number of connections are and the reason for the explicit REFERENCE keyword but i still think there is a clean solution for every problem ok not much time left for me or for me i will discuss 2/3 currency problem with friend what is the clean solution? and will write mail re: summation to the mailing list what is the problem? the _specific_ problem? spoken like a true consultant :) i am not sure of the problem, as I only understand the symptoms right now which are too many links between modules and conflict between module functionality and technical closeness maybe the problem is because we have so many things that are only proposals now and nothing is really fleshed out we are discussing about things we even don't know how they will really be currently we have the base module and that is ok and we have the accounting module and that is ok at least the parts we have discussed till now one thing is what i'm sure of all i can say is wow we must not try to make the modules small we must not try to make the modules big there is good chance gnue will be better than a lot of stuff on the market :) we must try to make the modules smart :) reinhard: why? 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Super DSL ;) or Slow DSL Symetric ;-) which is great as opposed to asymetric symmetric good so you are saying its not the size of your pipe but how you use it that matters? neilt (neilt@dialup-209.244.66.25.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ lol hi neilt new hehe s/new // hello all Action: chillywilly can almost fit his home dir on a 100MB zip disk ;) I need a burner Action: neilt offers some glue for the leftovers I think the tar ball will be quite small now btw, dneighbo_ another reason for using xfs is that witha journaling file system I won't be so screwed as I am right now try bzip if my laptop fucks up again no bzip with busybox using recue disk to get at things hmm.. I don't think journaling filesystems and softupdates are the same thing neilt (neilt@dialup-209.244.66.25.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) left irc: Ping timeout for neilt[dialup-209.244.66.25.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] well I am not even sure what you mean by softupdates I haven't read up on jfs so much no fscking with journaling fie systems] they are more reliable prpblem is I thought it just reduced the amount of time for fsck Linux mounts file stsyems a syncronously er asyncronously I didn't know that though] this fufe in #debian told me that dude softupdates improves performance and reliability in the event of power failure/blackout type crash is it free software? yes gonan have to look into that then gonna its conviently part of freebsd now tunefs command kernel patch or option rather /dev/ad0s1f on /usr (ufs, local, soft-updates) jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly : i never argued AGAINST jfs i think they are superior i said in HOME environment can you justify the headache of expiremental software for virtually a minimal gain well I am just stating the method to my madness I don't wanna go throught this again :) i realize you use sid etc so tehy answer is yes :) you have time to play and learn which is cool doesn't take much time when you have done it atleast once the thing that is taking time is slavaging my system data :P were your partitions on ext2 before? yep I have xfs on here though Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda2 2.8G 586M 2.2G 21% / /dev/hda1 15M 1.5M 12M 10% /boot /dev/hda3 1.0G 708k 1.0G 1% /usr/local /dev/hda5 1.1G 17M 1.0G 2% /home /dev/hda7 911M 20k 864M 1% /gnu Action: ajmitch reminds himself not to smoke ext2... how does xfs compare to, say, reiserfs or jfs? except for /boot it our performs reiser afaik out I just heard it was better then reiser ah if you ask the apt bot in #debian, although I saw some statistics a while back xfs was better in most areas doesn't matter too much anyway...I am just gonna give it a try snce I have to reinstall everything now :( ack yay my mp3s are still therer :) hhe Action: ajmitch should just mount his music partition readonly what's that? a screen shot of hurd? wrong channel :P hey ehat happened to Al Action: chillywilly is wathcing quantum leap that girl went with him and now they got a balck guy I miss Al what can i say but 'too bad suckah' eh? Action: chillywilly kicks ajmitch hehe ah stop it Action: ajmitch sighs aaah, there's Al chillywilly: yea, this is a tricky episode Nick change: ajmitch -> ajbusy dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error to dres_[4.18.171.42]: EOF from client jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. did I miss anything? jamest: the orgie um, an orgie in a room full of only guys Action: jamest is happy he was gone chillywilly is really a girl :) bbl jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: [x]chat jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: roflmao nickr that was goo d :) hey, at least I can make things entertaining :) i love good humor exchanges kind a like good 'your momma' jokes and thier rebuttals Yes my too favorite are from teh cut you down so lo series 'Ill cut you down so low that you will have to roll down your socks to take a sh!t" or hehe 'Ill cut you down so low that you will go to the curb to play raquetball' of course they are just as good now as they were when i was 7 one time in imax theaters kids behind us were having an YOUR MOMMA war and i heard one that i spit my soda out on wife and she wasnt mad cause she was also laughing so hard boy was about 8 that said "your mama is so fat that' long pause while he thought 'that if she stepped on a rainbow it would make skittles' Heheh jamest (jamest@fh-dialup-201180.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. MicahY (micah@c1306879-a.salem1.or.home.com) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@d182.as10.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: BitchX: stays crunchy in milk! wow some interesting numbers on licensing of sourceforge projects loosely there are 16850 licensed products 15381 fall under a FREE software license or 91% 14713 fall under a GPL compatiable FREE software license or 87% 903 Fall Under some Prop license or 5% Action: MicahY thought sf only ALLOWED free software 11857 are under GPL nad 1633 under LGPL or 13490 under a FSF license which is 80% so i guess i can see why RMS gets a little 'testy' about GNU\Linux when you look at 80% of the work being tooled out is choosing a license by FSF and nearly 90% license dictated under FSF principles granted there is a lot more to the community than what is on sourceforge but it it does provide for interesting numbers Action: jamest is away: class MicahY apparently it allows more than that its geared to handle OSI licenses and categorizes those all else go in public domain or other/prop any i suppose its all esoteric in a sense anyhow i just like to see the trends to gain insight into the 'movement' so when some one says using the word free isnt as effective as saying open i can ask why then two licenses that are associated with 'free' and FSF are garnering 80% while not a direct relationship i.e. many of these GPL/LGPL projects might be advertising or classifying themselves as open software they seem to choose/gravitate towards the more 'social' license i have come to discover i dont really care for term free software as it has issues but i think term open is more grotesque adn have yet to find a good replacement to term free/open moral would be one thought but moral is wrong term socially friendly ? ethical? anyhow time to go home dneighbo_ (dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com) left irc: BitchX: it tastes like poo hi all Nick change: dtm_ -> dtm do you guys think that the issue of promoting project credit through the project name is so important that we really need the term "GNU/Linux" to denote all OS distributions that use gnu and linux? the FSF (afaik, at least RMS and Brad Kuhn) basically claims that there are serious problems arising from the use of the word "linux" to name systems that are based on linux, rather than calling it "gnu/linux" like that LWCE doesn't acknowledge the FSF as an authoritative volunteer party, and wont give em price breaks on stuff coz LWCE doesn't know who they are, because of things such as saying "linux" instaed of "gnu/linux" i would assume that sounds rather odd unless i get some sort of proof plus i have a really big problem with how the FSF champions the term "gnu/linux" anyway. no comment ;-) nickr (nick@sdsl-64-7-6-186.dsl.nyc.megapath.net) left irc: [x]chat dneighbo (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Ping timeout for dneighbo[cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net] MicahY (micah@c1306879-a.salem1.or.home.com) left irc: Ping timeout for MicahY[c1306879-a.salem1.or.home.com] MicahY (micah@c1306879-a.salem1.or.home.com) joined #gnuenterprise. nickr (nick@sdsl-64-7-6-186.dsl.nyc.megapath.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dres (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: dneighbo -> nick Nick change: nick -> derek anyone home no nope Nuh uh. anysmartasses home yip damn you didnt fall for it if you would ahve said no I've noticed at least one from AZ popped in in the last 20 minutes i woudl have said ah, but i see the dumb asses are here :) :) ha ha nickr (nick@sdsl-64-7-6-186.dsl.nyc.megapath.net) left irc: Read error to nickr[sdsl-64-7-6-186.dsl.nyc.megapath.net]: EOF from client nickr (nick@sdsl-64-7-6-186.dsl.nyc.megapath.net) joined #gnuenterprise. nickr (nick@sdsl-64-7-6-186.dsl.nyc.megapath.net) left irc: Read error to nickr[sdsl-64-7-6-186.dsl.nyc.megapath.net]: EOF from client nickr (nick@sdsl-64-7-6-186.dsl.nyc.megapath.net) joined #gnuenterprise. haha nite nite jamest (jamest@fh-dialup-201180.flinthills.com) left irc: [x]chat Mr_You: what voting district in NC are you in? screw it you should read this http://www.advogato.org/article/323.html you may wish to verify the links and submit it to your local paper as i think it woudl be 'interesting' press to the folks of North Carolina