http://lhd.datapower.com/db/dispproduct.php3?DISP?1372 yeah if i put a pci card in what hoops will i have to jump through on debian? TIP : In Linux, get the same information about irq's and i/o ports in use with the following commands: cat /proc/interrupts cat /proc/ioports lspci -v that's t you can see pci devices pci is cake 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX - 82443BX/ZX Host bridge (rev 03) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX - 82443BX/ZX AGP bridge (rev 03) 00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) 00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01) 00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) 00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 03) 00:08.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1225 (rev 01) 00:08.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1225 (rev 01) 00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs: Unknown device 8938 00:0a.0 Communication controller: Lucent Microelectronics WinModem 56k (rev 01) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage P/M Mobility AGP 2x (rev 64) that's without -v ok give me a few a few what? i have a pci nic around here somewhere :P ok but i think its flaky at best :( and why its not in a machine :(( Action: derek is REALLY disappointed that debian sucks so bad wrt to ISA hardware it really is pitiful do you have documentation for that card all you need is the io address and iqr irq and it's money um jsut sucks if you don't know :P debian sucks for NOT being able to provide way to get that info it's the kernel's fault not debian I dunno how redhat does it though maybe they have ther own utuilites that probe things so yeah maybe you can blame it on debian I;m sorry no one said debian was easy because it is a bitch sometimes trust me I know i dont mind it being not 'easy' if there is good resources to help but #debian is worthless most of the time yep want me to start kicking ppl in the nads? can you play with jumpers? whose the manufacturer cause if they had specs and the cardhas jumpers debian is shit end of story you can set it to something yeha derek sure... they just said that card is a bitch to setup seriously the attitude of if you dont have the manuals you are screwed is POOR ideology i wonder what rms thinks of the fact that they feel it better to require one to run prop software (DOS) heh, this is they way it is....when I was running RedHat even I need io adresses for my sound card to configure hardware that they are too MANLY to write code for I had to look it up it's not just debian chillywilly: hmmm my isa sound card sndconfig worked fine on detecting andconfig won't work here I had to use alsa and alsaconf and hack the init script a bit there's no reason somone can't make hadrware configuration better of course now windows is sucked up behind damn debian I think it would be really nice so i cant even download a real distro and burn an iso sigh time to just install windows back on this machine and try to get it to recover the data or something Action: derek really is gonna fuck with the debian folks at lwe :( debian is a nice distro though apt is nice ths is a Linux issue, imho the rest is questionable oh fuck that I;m not listening to that and at times apt has problems :) Nick change: jcStore -> jcater linux is user friendly roflmao is it just picky about who its friends are it is ;) right... and RMS is people-friendly ;)p jcater: and you are too ;) lol ok pci card in and now the thing wont boot at all instead of LILO it gets LIL- and jsut hanges there joy I forget what that is guess its time to install yet AGAIN it is not a NIC issue though only 5th time tonigh sigh no wait don't you have a boot disk? derek: are you leaving out any details (like maybe you kicking it after the fourth failed time?) yeah i have one jcater: i wish im about ready to throw thorugh the roof here is my gripe i had dual boot win/rh6.2 Action: chillywilly inserts fingers into ears i was gonna just use rh6.2 install gnucash and do my bills adn switch wife over to rh6.2 so in a month or so i could delete windows completel then sawfish wasnt installed properly i thought hmmm rather than fix a redhat install of sawfish why not switch to debian FORGETTING i had this ISA card in here hahaha dumb ass move on my part ok chillywilly i booted with rescue disk now what fwiw: it dont recognize the pci card either rerun lilo lspic? er lspci rescue disk is not boot disk how do i rerun lilo? well you can make one anywya make a boot disk then use that get int to the real system then rerun lilo how how do i configure lilo down a ways on the menu to see my windows stuff you don't have to please please help me get back to windows so i can use my quicken and go to bed i dont have to what? nevermind dood you have me so lost and frustrated how do i fix lilo i.e. how do i make it so i can type windows gott boot into Linux and rerun it and have it boot my windows partition chillywilly: you are not understanding i guess ye I am it is fscked up it won't boot anything right now debian is fucked up system if you are egtting it did NOT recognize my windows stuff EVER LIL- it NEVER gave me optoin even when it said LILO man lilo.conf gee helpful label=dos sure you arent an evil #debian techie masqerauding as chilly? other=/dev/hdb5 label=os2 loader=/boot/os2_d.b table=E: ;) well I just said this because I don't got it allmemorized my brain only hold a finite amont of info that's what I would ahve to do myself in order to help you I;m not being mean I love my masta :) masta must sleep though so I will help argh!!!! (!@#&) boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b prompt timeout=50 linear default=linux image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14-5.0 label=linux read-only root=/dev/hda3 other=/dev/hda1 label=dos might work jcater what kinda scooby snax you get me ok chilly im lost i used boot disk uhuh and i did shutdown -r now and it comes back to LIL- so what gives what do you want me to do in the boot disk mode to FIX the problem you reinstall lilo just by typing lilo as root if i type lilo it says no /etc/conf/lilo.conf or something hmmm derek: hot fries, yoplait yogurt, klondike ice cream bars, orange sherbert push-ups, and Hagendaas Raspberry Sorbet where it is then? mmmmm its prbably REALLY gone it's not in and thus why the hell it hangs :) /etc/lilo.conf lady at cash register looked at me funny :) nope jcater: she didnt hand you a jenny craig card did she no they gave up on that last year roflmao derek: question Action: chillywilly hates LILO anyway in an IDL: Action: chillywilly uses GRUB interface Connection : TransactionFactory { does that mean Connection extends TransactionFactory? other way parent: child afaik jcater: what are you doing? if I may ask geas driver for gnuef Action: jcater felt like someone cast a spell on him today we don't use that interfaceanyway there's no transaction support yet argh! just fyi don't have a cow hehe so I can't use the transactional support, or the transactional support isn't functioning? it no works we ain't go no stinking transactions why? cause no one finsihed it good enough for me andrewm just threw that in there no supporting code though are the stubs there? I dunno I think so but the interface needs to be designed better I think he was basing it on ODMG transaction support afaict fsck n one has that standard though im resintalling i edited up the lilo.conf but when shut down hard it must have deleted files or somethign kernel pancik all over the palce man that sucks derek: here in the south, we'd call that... I'm sorry "you're screwed" well i wondered WHY lilo.conf was missing figure others were missing as well is this common on linux as it happened to my dad running red hat nephew shut machine off in middel of a game and it whacked a ton of critical files and the install was toast yep you knwo why? because Linux mounts file system asynchronously for speed whn faced with performace or reliablity Linux will choose performance Action: jcater is going back to windows then ouch /em lost a shit load of files on his laptop lockup well you might have hit a good reason to have jfs yep or xfs or whatever then /dev/hda2 on / type xfs (rw) proc on /proc type proc (rw) /dev/hda1 on /boot type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda3 on /usr/local type xfs (rw) /dev/hda6 on /home type xfs (rw) behind just wanting to play around as that is shit wasn;t just for playing I do not wanna loose shit again i KNOW windows recovers fine when i hard crash it and have a unbootable suystem as i have to hard crash it like 10 times a day :) it licks bag well MS apps places tons of temp files all over my hard drive but it never deletes files :) you can mount things synchronously it is just slower IMHO, it should do that by default M$ just blue screens....I have lost file with both and ppl who know the risks can enable AIO jcater: i tend to agree or it should ask during install I certainly didn't know that asynch or non asynch and I wouldn't choose asynch and explain the pitfalls of each what the fsck on resintall and reboot just use reiser....debian has reiser boot disks it gets :P of course, hindsight is 20/20 Block move error 0x03 Loading Linux Action: jcater uses reiserfs over and over and over and over and over Action: chillywilly uses xfs now wtf I have it on both system sI have sitting down here does this mean my hard drive is toast or what? did it say? s/?// you have to manually fsck cause of too many errors what now its loading cause that fucking sucks then it'll stick shit in lost+found gawd I hate that arh last try then im going back to redhat there's really nothing wrong with using redhat...I just pick on you for the fun :P brb Action: jcater thinks derek is a glutten for punishment its a problem for me i dont like redhat :) hehe why? Drepper? j/k um managing packages via rpm um licks bag lol other than that i dont mind redhat Action: chillywilly is away: pepsi i like redhat the company probalbhy my favorite free software company Action: chillywilly is back (gone 00:01:25) ximian is a buch of jag offs imho do you know fitzix derek? he cam e in here last night how did we end up talking about ximian? Barry Fitzgerald Free sofwtare companies ah made me thinkn of them Action: chillywilly is drinking pepsi twist miguel doe snot wanna cooperate at all with regards to dotGNU and mono he's being a jerk saying that he doesn't wanna be a GNU project because he would have to call Linux GNU/LINux you see his comment on slashdot ummm he is propogating the bashing of RMS maybe and basically said he doesnt like RMS anymore yeah, he really makes me sick lately funny thing 8 months ago and i ahve the mails to prove it he's ont he FSF board still right? i told RMS watch out for miguel heheh i dont see how he is on your board and how you let him get away with it btw he licenses EVERYTHING under the LGPL and encourages others to as well yep THis all was because of libGDA we werein this argument they were gpl and wnating to move to LGPL under miguels authority and i was throwing a fit RMS told me basically piss off miguel is the god let him do as he wishes stop picking on gnome for bad choices gsatreamer is LGPL also argh not in his defence, but being a GNU project, IIRC, has certain implications that all projects might not want I had a nice debate with omega about it every gnome program practically is jcater: i agree with that jcater: yeah, we have a political agenda there's no doubt about that the issue is he is on board of FSF and basically was saying morally he was all about free software and the gnu project and now is renouncing that so its more complicated kick him offf you're too stupid to see it...well...I dunno what to say then woops i.e. if it were a new little project by any yahoo i agree derek: like I said, I was not defending him... just gently reminding us that !GNU != !Good kick him off that's all I meant to type there :P but this is bad message he sends :) !GNU != !Good jcater: yes understand, just explain a bit eh? that means earlier if your not gnu you are bad? no, not being a gnu project does not mean you are not a "good" project hey lilo back adn seems to be booting derek: cool wow 4 hours and back to start :) woohooo yipee jcater: ok jcater: true, but I prefer GNU software to anything else....if I can find a good GNU replacement I'll use it i.e., LILO replaced with GRUB i.e., fdisk replaced with GNU Parted etc. As was pointed out in the latest GLIBC release notes [ :) ], a GNU project ultimately is under the control of RMS oh that's not something all projects need or want than reminds me derek: how would you feel if RMS did the same thing to GNUe...and made a steering committee? then again depends well you have a good relatioship with him we are moving towards that already I would think WE as the developers chillywilly: actually i dont in many respects should make that decision we are moving towards the GNUe Core Team re: making a steering committee which will be like apache aaaah but that's just my $0.02 in regards to how gnue is developed and its direction personally i have never seen RMS go against developers except in case of freedom i.e. if i said i wanted to make gnue QPL and jamest agreed well another way I look at it is and RMS jumped in and said he would fork gnue and maintain a gpl branch you would need everyone to agree....but yes I know it s a hypothetical i might not like it, but i applaud it and he could certainly do it without us being a gnu project just sucks copyright wise for him then everyone who controbuted code would have to agree though as to the glib thing glib? oh glibc didnt ego boy start doing some weird stuff hehe ego boy adn rms was putting in a check and balance he broke some stuff on the Hurd afaik and it was very RH specific fwiw: i think rms is FAR from perfect but generally he leaves gnu projects alone i.e. he is pissed at us for several things and will publicly say so GNUe? but he has not really messed with us for htem yip gnue what things? I'm not going to agree or disagree with ego boy on his message... if he thought that then he certainly should express his opinion... HOWEVER, I don't think the release notes were the appropriate place a. he is not happy we use a domain other than gnu.org b. he is not happy that we support python instead of scheme in geas FIRST jcater: I agree 100% there c. he is not thrilled we use python at all release notes was unprofessional jcater: that is SIMPLY why i call him ego boy and same with miguel but guido is making it GPL compatible starting wars in public places in such ways is not only not proper chillywilly: but it's not a GNU project :) but it begs to question what is the REAL issue at hand jcater: I know jcater: well actually rms is kosher with that ah well really scheme has limitations as long as its free software he is happy youc annload it at run time er guile that is he just prefers GNU projects using gnu projects rightfully so it sucks ass so now he has no REAL gripe with our python usage but as embedded language he would rather us add guile support before python support which i understand his reasoning but in turned asked him to understand ours as did jamest he acquiesed on the subject well pessoa (Klaus Schilling) told me about a bunch of things that sucked about guile...it is not too cool ok i do a lspci and see Ethernet controller: Digitil Equipment corporation DECchip 21040 [tulip] (rev23) but in lsmod i see nothing what next? lspci -v you need verbose I think Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, irq 10 that should show you more detail i/o ports e800 io? memory at ............ k but what do do load the driver insmod tulip or does it autoload in redhat it autoloads tulip I think well in the debian istall menu you can configure drivers it'll load them insmod tulip but worked if you're already up but it says (unused)( no biggie dmesg see what it says says debian developers have small penis' : RHAD Labs ownz joo lol never saw that before tail: dmesg: No such file or directory woops all your fault derek stdin: is not a tty kewl hehe ok back to same issue /etc/network/interfaces: option without interface did it initalize on ifup eth0 hmmmm grrrrr dmesg shows I should run my own debian channel fucking #debian is too full eth0: Digital DC21040 Tulip rev 35 at 0xe800, 00........, IRQ 10. nice ok onto the other issue then so what gives with the error message and google says jack about it debian is on crack no kidding jcater: notice how he is chagning his tune well I don't have a network so I never experianced your problem will i have to load that driver MANUALLY every time no add it to /etc/modules # /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at boot time. # # This file should contain the names of kernel modules that are # to be loaded at boot time, one per line. Comments begin with # a #, and what do i put htere modprobe tulip or just tulip tulip or insmod tulip just tulip otay what's that damn error message? any ideas yeah I am gonna beat on the #debian ppl unitl they acknowledege me nevermind I foudn the error message hey dude boogie over to #flood its about time Action: derek kicks machine over and over damn hurt my toe lol is it working now? w00t! w00t! well it has internet probably will all shit can on a reboot and you learned something right? lol derek: knowing your luck derek: it will Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) left irc: ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet? btw: figured its auto lo brb that was killing it not gateway oh yeah Action: derek is upgrading to testing and holding breath I think I removed that my bad :P sh: cat/etc/interfaces: No such file or directory chillywilly: what is weird is i got that by looking at my existing WORKING setup so kind of odd :) cat: /etc/interfaces: No such file or directory hmmm maybe I ain't got that file anymore cat /etc/network/interfaces though i prefer less oooooh less /etc/network/interfaces # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) # The loopback interface # automatically added when upgrading auto lo iface lo inet loopback as unix is only place where less is more hehe less won't work in an IRC channel though # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) # The loopback interface # automatically added when upgrading auto lo iface lo inet loopback nameserver 24.221.30.3 nameserver 24.221.30.4 guess so it sure does :) doesn't matter though I can scroll can't might as well cat ot s/ot/it doe sit do pagin for you or something? in an IRC channel cause that would be funky gnucash isn't uploaded in sid it is missing a package Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: gnucash: Depends: libgal8 (>= 0.9.1) but it is not installable Depends: libgtkhtml13 (>= 0.10.1) but it is not installable :( I hope it is in testing for your sake time to whip some debian matainer butt :) honestly i might run gnucash from cvs kewl that works i did before I was wondering if you were gonna compile it though compiling thier guppi/guile shit was a pain (no offense dres) lol i might want to do some gnue integration as i think they support sql data storage now in cvs opposed to the prop flat file stuff gnucash as a front end? in which case it will be interesting gnucash as accounting gnue to do invoices and the likes hrrrrrm and dump the ledgers into gnucash would e neat it was discussed in the past s/e/be it would be temp until gnue got its full accounting completed but woudl be foundation for a migration path as well in the future but if jcater gets a geas driver hopping out of here neilt and reinhard might provide enough of a base package that i will be busy doing other things :) i promised mdean some gnue interfaces to dcl (which i LOVE by the way) jcater: how do you manage your monkeys er developers whips and ice cream rofl seriously you use any project management tools kinky or anything um if not I haven't ran across any I like i SERIOUSLY suggest you install dcl mmmmm ok choco latte it is combination of trouble ticket (help desk) and work orders double even with project management tied in i have installed latest version and have whole department using im very happy so far will this be the basis of our pm? and getting ready to write some gnue front ends for parts of it as i HATE web interfaces jcater: he is willing to make it part of gnue if want it i dont think it would be ideal for project management persay but its a start its good to manage programmers :) and possibly run a consulting business Action: chillywilly runs fast if built invoicing into it :) :) he wants the invoicing im thinking gnue does contact management (accounts) and does invoicing (general ledger) and dcl does time management for billing etc and trouble tickets etc jcater: I think the reason I thought you were old is because you're a manager guy ageist pig er? chillywilly: not old, just effective :) Action: chillywilly slaps derek with a trout chillywilly: reread that whip part.... \what whip part? s#\## jcater: how do you manage your monkeys er developers whips and?!? so?!? and ice cream that is the true path to advancement aaaaah 'I don't wanna be a suit Basic Pavlovian management all men are created equal damnit in tsting who said they weren't? I'm not gonna boss them around how do i get list of tasks taht are available? id they don't wanna work I say buh-bye Action: jcater is not a manager, but a superviser... there's a difference good riddens jcater: you're just a young punk what do you know :P ? how do you see wahts available with apt wrt tasks? just teasing him now that I know he's barely older than me ummmm apt-get install aptitude aptitude ;) my fav what is that? an apt front end or else is it gui dpkg -l *task* if so i dont have x yet no console ncurses actaully with colors purty colors argh! apt-cache search is useful too how do you get gnome task-gnome-desktop used to be task-gnome-apps yeah task-gnome-network yeah or do you do task-ximian-gnome? in sid theses are no mor ethough what are they in sid? derek: you never wanna do that im not using sid btw and i dont want ximian :) derek: they removed all task packages what 'i sid no tasks? yup what they hell they thinking? don't ask me why is there some kind of diagram/flowchart that shows GEAS IDL relationships? I dunno jcater: haha you a funny funny guy I take that as a "no"? well hmmm all that stuff is explained in the doc dir no diagrams though docs although you expect me to read docs? reinhard has some diagram somewhere wtf jcater: yip reinhard (rm@N802P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. it cant find task-gnome-desktop but i see it speak of the devil devil (err, reinhard): do we have some sort of GEAS IDL diagram? chillywilly: if in dpkg -l it has a un instead of an ii speak of the devil derek: just earch through search and select all of them that's why something like aptitude is nice how do i get it to be recognized daigram? no recognized as what? it will match all if i do a dlist -l uninstalled you'll like this fortune message: it shows task-gnome-desktop but its un and installed instead of ii "Do you think what we're doing is wrong?" "Of course it's wrong! It's illegal!" "I've never done anything illegal before." "I thought you said you were an accountant!" if i do apt-get install task-gnome-desktop it says not found apt-get install task-gnome-desktop reinhard: : roflmao lol :( hehe chillywilly: bigger issues nice reinhard try to get aptitude and get you still in moldy old potato? El Sub-process /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt returned error code (127) etc etc eeeek no i changed my sources.list and did apt-get update dist-upgrade apt-get dist-upgrade k and perl is busted :( perl: error while olaoding shared libraries: libdb.so.3: so now what? one sec [01:58:51] Debian Search of 'libdb.so.3' (1 shown): (/lib/libdb.so.3) in base/libdb2. apt-get install libdb2 or apt-get --reinstall install libdb2 same problem cause you probably got it ok then it is porbably a symlink lemme go look at my system what does ls -l /lib/*db* show? /lib/libdb.so.2 /lib/libdb1-2.2.3.so /lib/libthread_db-1.0.so heh where's the lib go dpkg -L libdb2 /lib/libdb.so.3 /lib/libdb1.so.2 /lib/libthread_db.so.1 hmmmm it is there then? /usr ldconfig -v /usr/lib ldconfig -v | grep db do that first try dpkg -L libdb2 cannot stat /lib/libdb.so.3: no such file or directory what is that from? on ldconfig hmmm how screwed up what are the permissions on that file? lib whatever are argh! is the file really there? ls -l libdb.so.3 shows that it symlinks to libdb.so.3.old which DOES NOT exist weird ok hmmmm GEAS' OO nature is complicating my perfectly functional relational view of the world!!! jcater: haha, we like objects chilly you out of ideas? no how manky libdb's you got? rm -rf / you just need to make a link to the right one explain how many and where "Please insert the Windows 98 CD ROM into Drive D:" i feel like libdb is ximian thing in /lib jcater: im REAL close to that believe me ohw come on now libdb.so.2 this is simple libdb.so.3 (which we know is bogus) libdb1-2.2.2.3.so minus a .2 what doe sperl depend on? libdb1.so.2 libdb.so.3 (the one that DOES NOT exist) link it to libdb.so.2 how see fi that helps ln -s /lib/libdb.so.3 /lib/libdb.so.2 don't you knwo how to make a symlink? Action: chillywilly slaps derek with a trout er sorry other eay around way ln -s /lib/libdb.so.3 /lib/libdb.so.2 damnit ln -s /lib/libdb.so.2 /lib/libdb.so.3 argh i did other way as reason i ASKED was i ALWAYS get them backwards rm libdb.so.3 first ok and since man dont work me too sometimes yet i asked just teasin gyou anyway it seemed to work i swaped them and did and apt-get install libdb2 -s is what you wanna actaully point to now getting aptitude the last argument is the symlink I don;t liek testing's aptitude sid has a better one might wanna changes sources.list and get that one package and then change back hmmm in aptitude (I have done it) if i go to tasks it will not fuck anything up it only whos two bah why did they do that stupid debian ppl I wasn't ahppy about it either when I had to install the other day / seraches search and then if you hit "\" it will go to the next match so dpkg -l *task* shows you can go "/" then type in gnome then hit "\" and select them all by hand um tasksel yeah but when i do that that works too aI think never used it though too used to aptitude and choose task-gnome-desktop etc it says couldnt find package i dont get it as if i do I thought you just said there were no task packages dpkg -l *task* it shows them in there yes but they are not always uploaded it say un next to them you dig but how do i get them? no i dont dig i dont get it they're in the list but not uoploaded i just want gnome damn it im about to go kde then search throught and select them as this is sickening oh plz im not selecting them one by one that is insane no it isn't as i will install ximian before i do that aptitude automagically resoves dependencies will grab all sorts of shit for you it'll take 15mins tops go bitch at the debian ppl they removed the tasks those fuckers they pissed me off too it is a pain I know ajsd;lkj HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN !! uh oh it's the dog faced boy how do you mark for install? in aptitude boy "+" asuffield is being an asshole well aptitude licks bag did apt-get install gnome-* instead you were too slow to respond with a '+' + cycles through veairous install levels "-" brig syou back down brings derek: I was too slow because I was getting harassed by the fucking know it all asuffield god I hate #debian remind me never to treat someone like that...if they some in here asking for help and I act like an asshole plz kick ban me from the channel Heh hey its debian package god nick now that im about done :) What I hate about #debian is most people are ready for really green newbies there, and so even if you ask a difficult question you get a simple answer derek: making .debs? Action: chillywilly removes #debian form his autojoin list chillywilly: hehhee chillywilly: I don't have operator privileges chillywilly: it's that GNU spirit! ;) as if you know nothing. dtm: that's the Linux spirit not GNU ;) thats why I told you guys to remind me never to ask questions there in #debian? Yea. what? being ready to answer newbie questions is linux not gnu? #debian is utterly fucking uselesss noa cting liek an asshle is linux acting like an asshole is linux chillywilly: are you sure it's not the gnu/linux spirit? :) roflmao and acting like an asshole in a different way is bsd ;-) nope as that is GNU duh :P hmm goats, assholes, linux, gnus chillywilly: I'd like you to stop spreading such misinformation, and start indicating credit for our work! Please call it GNU/Linux! ;) Action: derek thinks i need to get this movement on a web cam and make some money dtm: when I am talking about the kernel derek: uhhhhh waht are you moving :) it is proper to say linux derek: can we watch the hot packaging action? nickr: acting like an asshole in a corporate-friendly way is the BSD spirit chillywilly: but it takes an entire system to produce a culture of insufferable jerks dtm: credit should be where credit is so thats GNU\Assholes to you :) derek: ;) jcater: hahah yes, although 'corporate-friendly' seems to translate to 'pride over having your work stolen' havent you heard phrase, boy im getting torn a GNU\Asshole? mmmmmm now I get shit here too?!? :'( chillywilly: im teasing you know i like gnu derek: roflmao there's no safe harbor for a chillywilly chillywilly: you are admired and praised by many, dan chillywilly: aw, poor danny Action: jcater starts singing danny boy anywho ..."pissing the night away" lol jcater: the guy who shined my shoes at Macworld Expo sang me that isn't danny boy about a drunken irishman? jcater: almost the whole thing lol McWorld Expo nickr: yip :P nickr: what do you think I am? I should ask if someone can help me be elite on #debian sheesh nickr: :P nickr: I wouldn't assume he's irish :) do it I'm sure that'd go over well nickr: do it man even though I'm always there, you'd think they'd notice that I tend to be a slightly more sophisticated user. nickr: I'll help you get banned haha nickr: hell I get banned form there once a week I'd rather not be banned, I think I bring the overall quality of the channel up tenfold nickr: I know peple who have ops nickr: it won't be permanent trust me ;) jcater comes to watch I'd rather not :) you can if you want well or jcater I was about to lash out at asuffiend chillywilly: i'm gonna have to attend the #debian show sometime! lemme knwo when it's starting. I stopped myself we should have a #debian-wiseguys shall I paste his somments it is entertaining actually asuffiend would be the op there [02:18:24] what's wiht removing of the gnoem task packages?!? [02:18:27] gnome nickr: chillywilly: you should port Debian to OpenUnix(tm). That oughtta piss em off, haha! I know the Elf chillywilly: or to MacOSX! he'll let me back in jcater: ask on #debian if debian will help U B 3l33+3 forget openunix -- port it to OSX! [02:18:39] chillywilly: erm, wake up? that happened weeks ago Action: jcater already asked a question :)p [02:19:25] chillywilly: the answer now is the same as it was then chillywilly: haha [02:19:37] chillywilly: the system is being reimplemented with tasksel [02:19:42] chillywilly: right now it has not yet been finished jcater: dude! hahaha [02:19:49] chillywilly: sid is broken. live with it. lol [02:20:49] chillywilly: correct. testing breaks as well, just not so often like hey dumb fucker I run sid chillywilly: he's a meanie-pants! How do I run Excel on my Debian CPU? teehee nickr: !@;lkf; lol I love the response: reboot into windows you rule chillywilly: well at least he answered your question amongst the insults and snide comments thats more than sometimes. maybe he's getting soft nickr: trie probably I am thinkg of /msging him nah just let it be and starting up some shit did you really as how do you run excel on my debian cpu? um derek: yip, he did roflmao I saw it he sure did damn i wish i was there pure art no I didn't what was the response I bow before the master it was hilarious jcater, reboot in windows? :) jcater -- try gnumeric what some other stupid question I cna ask? jm provided a good answer actually I mean if it had been an actual question :) hey how do I play mp3s on my watch? I heard debian was portable. can I run debian on my ass? bah I suck although its usually s/debian/netbsd/g nickr -- try netbsd :) actually HURD is making debian very, very portable because it forces all the packages to be SuSv2 compliant yea baby i think mikroft had netbsd running on his ass one night in Vegas the turd floats derek: the hardest part about installation is partitioning your ass disklabel for ass is confusing well depends most users dont like when thier ass coredumps much either chillywilly: here's a good question: "I have a Debian CD, but when I click Start|Run..., d:\setup won't work" I heard netbsd/ass was a little unstable but the look on ones face when thier ass goes into a kernel panic is interesting jcater: :P Action: chillywilly is preparing for the show I still like 'I want to be a hacker, will #debian let me?' /j #debian if you dare jcater please do ask the the sad thing is that someone has actually asked that one.. i put debian potato in my cd rom and typed d:\setup.exe from start/run and its not working chillywilly: doh, you're too well known to ask that chillywilly: they know you doubt they will bite am I realy darn derek: stop doing that! jcater: you ask [02:45:06] chillywilly: have you tried d:\install [02:45:10] sometimes programs use that la la la i put potato in my cd rom, like my friend told me, and now i don't get it out again. should i have used raw or baked potato? lol rofl haha jcater: you gotta ask that I put woody in my cd rom... they'll just tell me to stop being stupid do I need buzz in there too? :P jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: ..... jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. oops where's everyone go? woops yay jcater's back hang on... got one... uh oh [02:50:40] Does anybody have XFree4 running with a Voodoo3 3000 AGP? [02:51:10] Nope. [02:51:18] You're the only one. smart ass haha what is that new movie out with the rendered monstor & goat? ? Shrek? yeah that's a donkey though lol you have goats on the brain bluemoon what was that xp technolgy that added extra links? goats are baaaaaaaaad in explorer SmartTags? xp technology! yes smart fags...er tags winblows XP! NOW with smart fags! haha smart tags smart bundles of sticks is funny. now everyone is acting mental on #debian lol you guys are silly Nick change: ajbusy -> ajmitch see, we corrupted #debian now chillywilly: you evil, evil person those poor support people heh what support ooooh you mean that stuff that is masked within the sarcasm and insults that leaks out ounce ina while all eewy goooey grreeeeen heh damn its bed time i give up i cant get x to work later 4.0.x? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 dewd derek: XFree86 -config :) noooo my way is better damnit I'm so helpful. yes wow lilo fixed now and i can boot into windows perhaps jhwf;klejklasdjfkl;asjdf;lkjasdf bleh dad gambit it dont like my old nic now derek: dfg;ldfg;ldfg;ldf;gl and recognizes new nic but requires that i insert a win98 cd chillywilly: any consulation, this is more irrating than debian :) winders? you don't have the CD? it probably wants some drivers off of it, no? Action: chillywilly wonders why nickr is helping instaed of acting a fool that's no fun sorry, I can't help it. hey i installed a driver time to reboot yee haw hehe nickr: yes you can no I can't. can i open source my windows installation CD? why its already under a much better shared source license but I told you how to make it free jcater: what gives? what you mean? you left I have work in 4 hours I think I need to go to bed heh heh night night night night jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: my debian cd won't play shrek night lol hey i made another change time for a reboot yee haw ooh derek: uh? time for me to run off too ;) Nick change: ajmitch -> ajbusy derek: this isn't winders oh man derek: you don't have to rebbot unless it is open source or you can plauy shrek reinhard? there is an old german proverb that relates closely to rms these days "viel feind, viel ehr" this means like which means? "many enemies, much honour" aaaaah i think there was also a greek or chinese philosopher who said "you can measure your success by the number of your enemies" :) hehe lie-nex what os this lie-nex stuff? s/os/is Alright. I'm off. bah Action: chillywilly pokes dtm with a stick Action: derek wonders where chillywilly's trout went that er whuh that's only for certain icituations anway dtm: Action: dtm pronounces leeenoocks as "LEEEnoooks" I need you to go into #debian and ask asuffield stupid questions as I know you are more creative then I nickr: yeah , you're WAY off, buddy! and you better get outta here before chillywilly bites his thumb at you! chillywilly: hmm that would require serious work, i think chillywilly: for which i am not currently available dtm: nah dtm: you act liek this normally dtm: what would be the difference :P just go into #debian and help me make a specticle of myself it's really quite easy screw it time to get banned Action: chillywilly slaps dtm with a trout *sigh* Action: chillywilly is all alone :'( h0h0 Nick change: derek -> dnZzzz Rafterman (tim@lister.sesgroup.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hey Rafterman Action: chillywilly kicks dtm chillywilly (danielb@d82.as15.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: ajbusy (ajmitch@p30-max4.dun.ihug.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout for ajbusy[p30-max4.dun.ihug.co.nz] ajbusy (ajmitch@p16-max3.dun.ihug.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Nick change: nickr_ -> nickr \quit dnZzzz (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: [x]chat jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o jamest' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ problems w/ irc today? jamest: hi dneighbo (dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. morning dneighbo: hi morning? hmm i thought it was late night sleeping in again? darn internal clock is on jcater time lol jcater i wsa here about 2 hours ago but had to come to work I was asleep then ah so you are one doing sleepign in :) bad night troll, no biscuit :) Rafterman (tim@lister.sesgroup.net) left irc: [x]chat reinhard (rm@N802P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Those who say it can't be done should never stop those who are actually doing it. neilt (neilt@user-2ivelvo.dialup.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ hello all jcater: and i did get my hopes up Log message: synching machines (neilt: don't get your hopes up :) until i read the log message :) Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. so... M$s downfall will begin with its bloated code and licensing? morph (morphine@dial-206-103-58-010.easystreet.com) joined #gnuenterprise. morph (morphine@dial-206-103-58-010.easystreet.com) left #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@d185.as3.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. yo chills yo http://www.advogato.org/article/325.html Even on a Free Software site we get to the RMS bashing How fun! lets all do it RMS is a control freak, nosy busy body, communist GNU hippy bastard weeeee! feeel the love! he's not bashing RMS he's commenting on the accused immorale action Don't even go there what's the whole purpose up bringin this shit up again? and more or less telling him to get a reality check about the developers dude!!! chill the fuck out! don't swear at me you try to defend RMS, I'm defending the poster.. wtf?!? :-P did I have exclamations after my statement nope cause I am calm no.. you over reacted tho RMS is good people you are clearly wrong in this situation :-P I will defend my people...I'll even defend you so I get pissed that's your opinion yeah well you said the wrong thing up there.. "do we have to bring this up again".. you clearly are the one who brought it up.. I didn't post the article I meant as a community ok. drop it now, thats rediculous statement not here in this room uggh what?!? stop confusing me damn it neilt (neilt@user-2ivelvo.dialup.mindspring.com) left irc: well that's what I meant I don't see anything wrong with others dicussing this and I think the posters comments are right on sorry for speaking Don't even go there what's the whole purpose up bringin this shit up again? that clearly looks as tho you are talking to me I gotta get some food RMS looks out for the developers and the FSF/GNU also looks out for us if they make license suggestions you should listen...and having RMS involvement is good it keeps us on the ethical course well you missed the point people think RMs is on an ego trip when has RMS ever been on a an ego trip? he's selfless the point being RMS tried to bully developers.. this accusation yeah yeah, I was being hostile thats immorale I apologize bastid a committee isn't being a bully Drepper is on this committee isn't he? no!!!!!!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!! GOD DAMN IT!!! Action: Mr_You gets struck down by lightning. Action: chillywilly throws cold water on Mr_You the IMMORALE ACTION WAS BEING sneaking behind developers backs to try to eliminate any input from the "opposing" developer for his agenda I'm sure I guess in regards to moving to LGPL v2.1 but its a serious accusation but it has less legal loop holes that's why they make revisions not to alienate people haha... lets talk about the problem at the moment.. it is clearly a case of Drepper and RMS hacing personal issues and not RMS tryint o take over...political and legal decisions of GNU software fall under the FSF's thumb plain and simple the LGPL v2.1 isn't the worse thing in the world.. the problem is RMS thats wrong not to derail this conversation the developer has ALL control but does debian kernel-source packages have a default config file saved in them it is not wrong we have a greater purpose than software itself so I don't have to turn all the modules on manually ummmmmmm the kernel-image ones do Action: jamest has little luck and turning things on manually and = at :) which you can break open using ar -x chillywilly: it doesn't matter.. the developers/"users" choice is the end result Mr_You: you're just like all RMS critica you think he's out to destroy us, HISTORY has shown he is clearly not...the man truly has wisdom and vision chillywilly.. you have a problem.. I'm not ranting against RMS or his vision or any of that like I stated above.. the only comment/"discussion" we are talking about are the accusation of his immorale actions.. if someone is NOT promoting freedom something must be done then....heh...you don't want to know what I think should be done to Miguel either "something must be done" BAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa are you going to go point a gun to a develoeprs head and make demands?!?! no give it up but a fork would be fine I am that's the general method no shit sherlock is it just me or does it sound stupid to say 'abolishing copyright' is the same as 'illegalizing copyright' if this conrtinues there will be a fork nickr: pretty much the same thing, afaict copyright should not be abolished that's not the point hardly I don't think it should be either reinhard (rm@62.47.44.55) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly: copyright is a legal construct chillywilly: by abolishing it, you simply do that, you make more things legal the original purpose of the copyright is a good one ye s why should copyright be abolished? when copyright is limited chillywilly: you can't make a legal construct illegal but D er DMCA RIAA MPAA want to extedn t forvever clearly unfair and unjust copyright should not last forever DMCA goes beyond all intentions of original copyright law.. and one of our (NC) reps (Howard Coble) is responsible :-(((( :( I think copyright is fine as long as the original intent is maintained good Of course we lost sight of that a hundred years ago whihc it is not now a days Dmitry is getting railroaded under some draconian legislation that gives all power to the publishers and nothing to the people so well its too late now. again I take RMS view on copyright it is beautiful....the public should prevail copyright is ont inherent but a bargain with the public yesterday was the anniversary of the new russian gov't it wss orginally an industrial regulation that people were willing to give up certain rights for mass produced books now it effects our daily life and gets right in our face Mr_You: interesting went from mighty russia to seperate countries in 48 hours the will of the people made it happen it should be law here that its a legal requirement for you to be able to make backups of digital medium lots of women too like in russia :P how ironic no one would sign an order to fire within the army yeah our gov't is pissin me off if anyone wants me to submit a letter to howard coble, give it to me unf the us federal govenment is too full of hardcore believers to simply collapse :) howard coble? house rep of the district in this area and created the DMCA part of that crap I need to find the article that derek post chairman read the article and if it moves you I'll read and submit it ;-) not that the DMCA itself isn't enough are we griping again? Action: jcater was at lunch Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) left irc: ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet? neilt (neilt@user-2ivek3f.dialup.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ anybody ever got python methods at least to compile? hello again hello neilt was someone looking into a buying a PDA i think it was jamest iirc yes it was jamest reinhard: hello - Handspring cuts prices on PDAs Handspring has lowered prices for its three non-color Visors. The entry level Visor is now $129, the mid-level Visor Deluxe is $169, and the Platinum is now only $199, which are cuts of $20, $30, and $50 respectively. The color screen Visor Prism remains $399. - Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard: so how is the methods testing going? well i hope i can compile what's there now within a month or so neilt: thanks grrrrrrrr it's completely f**b*r'd :) not quite ready for release I take it hehe yes you were absolutely right i always thought it gets compiled anyway but it's glib_methods what gets compiled, not python methods reinhard: for a minute i thought you were saying you only needed a faster machine python methods is not compileable at the moment oh :) no i have to make changes to the code :) you my vote it would be nice to remove the c code in header files while your at it s/you have vote/you have my vote neilt: i doubt i will do that understand the methods dir will have to face a rm -f * within a few days if you understand what i mean :) :) yes i do well not that brutal but something with the like effect :) just want to get it running ONCE to see how it was intended to work and to learn from it are you saying that glib methods will not work with python code? and that you have to have python methods to use with python yes :( glib methods require methods code written in C, correct you cannot even use a helloworld method now with geas when it is written in python neilt: correct cool, i know a lot ob business developers that are good at C (NOT) later have to run i misinterpreted the situation till yesterday i thought we need to redo methods soon now i know we need to do it yesterday how so hehe because i thought python works basically and is just unstable since they bomb on my machine, i commented out the init code but its good to at least be aware of the problem have to run now, later neilt (neilt@user-2ivek3f.dialup.mindspring.com) left irc: Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) left irc: ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet? dneighbo (dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com) left irc: BitchX: TASTES GREAT! LESS FILLING! TASTES GREAT! LESS FILLING! nickr (nick@sdsl-64-7-6-186.dsl.nyc.megapath.net) left irc: Read error to nickr[sdsl-64-7-6-186.dsl.nyc.megapath.net]: Connection reset by peer nickr (nick@sdsl-64-7-6-186.dsl.nyc.megapath.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly: you here? python methods code is 100% out of sync with the rest of geas have spent 2 or 3 hours just to make it comple compile but it doesn't work for the simplest stuff module name spaces are not implemented etc --- oh? I saw some commits from you :P didn't commit everything don't sweat it it was 2 hours of ugly hacks just to make it compile now i wonder if it's worth putting more effort into the existing code if ti sucks that much just a few things that come to my mind when i look at what's here I am gonna design somthing and if the other code doesn't fit I really don't care 1. current code loads _all_ methods into memory when geas starts. that is not usable for real world systems 2. did i tell you that i would like inheritance for methods? hehe well a plugin system will fix things...I wanna do it at run time inheritance should work I want inheritance too you know i have for example a class organization with a method get_address (); and i have a derived class customer i want to "override" get_address(); for customers I/me needs to install ssh because customer adresses should be treated differently Action: chillywilly needs to install ssh (not a real world example though :) yes, yes good things but that's certainly not for first version if i can call a "hello world" method written in python that's great for a start form looking at the code er, from because now i can't even do that :) I thought that inheritance would work because it works in CORBA (putting the whole CORBA issues aside) anyway that's way off from now... ok, I'm pulling cvs now rofl you see the mail on the commit list? no which one? by you? no AI am getting some messages megashows@sexjunkie.net that are bits form other messages all jumbled together ooooh the spam I get that on a lof of mailing lists ajmitch (ajmitch@p12-max6.dun.ihug.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. ok now finished everything commited sorry chillywilly can you re-update? why? yes i have now committed all changes to methods and build system geas should now compile with configure --enable-methods=python ok or to be precise for you :) alrighty autogen.sh --enable-methods=python mmhmmm because i changed Makefile.am's i also changed to examples to use a python metho d you should be able to test whith the addrbook example there is a new method named tell_children (); which should return something like "Reinhard has 2 children" taking the name and the number from the "current" object it doesn't work now because module namespaces aren't implemented in python methods so the method is loaded as person_tell_children but when calling geas looks for addrbook::person_tell_children and doesn't find it ok here i give up for today must go to bed do you really have 2 kids? um yes :) cool :) what are their names? katja and simone Action: chillywilly has one scotty i know Action: ajmitch has none both girls? yep kewl kids are great 4 and 5 fun :) yes they are :) hey except they will wake me up tomorrow very early as they do every morning :) today is scotty's borthday duh Action: chillywilly slaps himself upside the head hehe he's 4 cool reinhard: yep wish him happy birthday from us all ;) k so have fun :) nite all reinhard (rm@62.47.44.55) left irc: Those who say it can't be done should never stop those who are actually doing it. ajmitch: okey dokey bbl jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: [x]chat Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: ajmitch -> ajbusy neilt (neilt@user-2ivemas.dialup.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ hey hey btw ppl today is my baby's birthday he's 4 happy birthday babb y Action: chillywilly needs to go eat some cake soon mmmm, caaaake q[monty] (mordred@nat1-29.cimedia.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi q[monty] Action: neilt wishes Scotty happy birthday happy b'day scotty jcater: did you see my note earlier which one? i was about to have a happy fit when I saw your commit email then i read the message well, I did put a lot of work into it, so it's not too far off cool but it certainly doesn't work yet i am glad you added the note to the commit anyway :) i did not know you were even working on it! I wasn't so that is excellent until I saw your spell :) I didn't know we were becoming a holdup saw and not felt huh, i guess i need more practice lol working on what? geas driver? cw: yes geas forms dirver I'll pass the message on guys thanks :) about the b'day wishes pass on to whom? that is oh hello all - I've got a question that I'd normally troll the mailing list archives for, but all that seems to be down... is ORBit the orb for good, or is that up for discussion? that is up for discussion we have doscussed moving away from ORBit :) for one thing a CORBA orb is not the only solution so you will eventually be able to run geas without CORBA at all and we will support multiple ORBs q[monty]: by the way, i just checked the mail lists and they seem to be working? neilt: the archives? I get not-found errors. neilt: and the irc logs are down pending server reconfig or something q[monty]: http://lists.gnue.org/pipermail/gnue-discuss/ the irc logs are at http://www.gnuenterprise.org/irc-logs/ Ah. I was following links from gnu.org. we have switeched over to www.gnuenterprise.org why yes, you have... that explains why so much was broken there are a few things that have not switched is why it is still up I asked about ORBit because I just had to move a different project away from it because of dying orbit-python support. dneighbo (dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. s/up/still up/ derek, who just joined huh? is the person to talk to about this oh i get it :) q[monty]: I asked about ORBit because I just had to move a different project away from it because of dying orbit-python support. q[monty] : well thats a tangled web :) dneighbo: he was asking about ORBit support there are few issues there and are we moving away from it the support comes and goes there was pyorbit once upon a time i believe andrew and i talked to its maintainer they said if we wanted we could have it we used that as leverage to get orbit-python off rears and do a release fixing our major bug we had submitted the patch but was irrating asking people to install then apply patch so as of now its ok HOWEVER we hvae issues with ORBit on windows and ORBit threading not coming till 2.0 or unless you run non standard orbit-python ok, or pyorbit ok? so talk has been surfacing about supporting mroe than one ORB sooner than later the talks are using omniORB which has good python support and good windows support we have NOT done that yet, but probably will I just switch to omniORB from ORBit on another project. s/switch/switched/ reinhard / chilly are looking into making GEAS more ORB neutral also python based to make this an easier switch we would really love to have some help in this area I'd love to help out some. the forms driver for geas (orb based) is so infantile a switch there should be minimal at best as you could use omniORB for forms client while still using ORBit for geas in backend until geas catches up as that was the original plan dneighbo: sign him up neilt , jcater started toying with geas driver last night I'm currently working on autoconfiscating omniORB... so he should talk to jcater which should help some. we need some CORBA help have you guys found nice ways to make automake and idl play with each other? neilt: what kind of CORBA help? um we dont do a lot with idls really we have a basic one thats it as our whole premise is to build apps you shouldnt have to know corba masta! which is a good thing :) q[monty]: our developer that wrote our ORBit code is no longer with us so we provide a shell of an api to our objects it's my baby's b'day today instead of publishing TONS of CORBA objects if that makes sense yup as the goal of geas is to support any method fo RPC q[monty]: and our support for ORBit is shaky from corba to sockets to soap to you name your acronymn here :) q[monty] right now no threads in orbit kicks our tails q[monty]: so we could use some help moving to omniORB for both client and server Action: chillywilly knows ORBit well enough now and we need a multi-threaded ORB which bit would be a good place to start looking at? we've been real pleased with omniorb performance. We're doing soft-realtime stuff, and it's doing ok. chillywilly: that was not against you, but you seem to be tied up with other projects most important on client right now as jcater is new to CORBA so he could use the help I'd love to get orbit-python's automagical idl importing working with omniORBpy, though. AND is that the forms client? currently if driver for geas is working it doesnt work on windows dneighbo: provided that ORBit and onmiORB play well together cause orbit no does windows so omniorb on client gives us windows forms w/ geas which is something we dont ahve yet :) and should help solidify the driver in general which is a nice thing to have. then we can look at branching geas server and letting geas use either orb I've used orbit clients with omniorb servers, but I don't see why not the other way around. well I'm off...I plan to hack tonight so don't havea heart attack when you see my name on the commit list :) chillywilly you have a name? chillywilly: excellent dneighbo: I guess brb must go upstairs Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) left irc: ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet? Action: chillywilly is away: scotty's b'day celebration(s) suggestions as to which mailing list(s) to subscribe to? we have been using the discuss list for most things unless they are very specific so use discuss for anything that covers more than one area the core team subscribes to all of them ok. that's a whole bunch of lists for the core team :) which is why we stopped copying every list and jsut started using the discuss list probably a smart decision if your interest is only around the orb you would want to forms list and geas list geas is our middle ware server I just tried the geas deb package, in fact. and is that maintained by gnue, or by someone at debian? i think us jamest is the person that does that i think there were a couple of init script and install script bugs. But they looked like they might have been from debtools ahh bugs bugs should be handled here http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gnue/ please please post a bug report yeah, I just need to bundle up a patch real quick... for everything you find umm, gnuef is the forms stuff, right? yes chillywilly (danielb@d185.as3.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: I know the real answer to this question is read the code, but - there seems to be no corba code in gnuef. no no no, now, its rtfm Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. so porting it to omniorb would be real simple. :) jcater is the forms wizard i dont have any idea about that ah, I think I found it. your would be looking for geas driver sonewhere around here: gnue-common/src/dbdrivers/geas: DBdriver.py yes. grep -ri * is my friend. time to go home... q[monty]: later neilt: talk to you later... q[monty] (mordred@nat1-29.cimedia.com) left irc: Client Exiting Mussii (eu@200.212.195.173) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: night Mussii (eu@200.212.195.173) left irc: dneighbo (dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com) left irc: [BX] Become a BitchX Certified Systems Engineer today! 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Nick change: ajbusy -> ajmitch eugene (Eugene@194.84.60.1) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hello