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Nick change: ajmitch -> ajbusy eugene (Eugene@194.84.60.1) left irc: Leaving chillywilly (danielb@d48.as6.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: chillywilly (danielb@149.milwaukee-01-02rs16rt.wi.dial-access.att.net) joined #gnuenterprise. harro daniel-san harro wassup sir I am gonna attempt to take this channel on this other IRCnetwork attempting eh? define "take"? i.e., run some war scripts and get take ops and shut them out s/get// oohhh take another channel!i I am sure they'll complain to the IRC OPs soon enough i thought you were intending to move #gnuenterprise :) not here we have services here to another network plus h0h0 I dun wanna get banned form here for good plus this is where all the hip kids hang out yep you're a dastardly Dan You might be addicted to irc if.... ...your friends are now convinced that IRC stands for "I Repeat Classes." lol h0h0 ...you wait for your roomates to say "re." hh0h0 chillywilly: you know you are addicted to irc + unix when you type morn and expect it to autocomplete the word morning Action: derek is speaking from experience :) lol derek: cool see, you can't make stuff like that up. you just can't. night guys Nick change: derek -> dnZzzz woah it's 2am already dnZzzz: night chillywilly: no it's not! it's only 11:57pm! chillywilly (danielb@149.milwaukee-01-02rs16rt.wi.dial-access.att.net) left irc: Read error to chillywilly[149.milwaukee-01-02rs16rt.wi.dial-access.att.net]: EOF from client chillywilly (danielb@149.milwaukee-01-02rs16rt.wi.dial-access.att.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: dtm pats chillywilly on the head I brought Gnome down dunno how I did that was pretty cool cool see, that's why i dont use that "free" software -- it's too unstable it's not good enough to be sold. HAR Nick change: ajbusy -> ajmitch eugene (eugene@194.84.60.1) joined #gnuenterprise. dres (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Ping timeout for dres[4.18.171.42] reinhard (rm@62.47.44.55) joined #gnuenterprise. bdusauso (bdusauso@uu212-190-122-70.unknown.uunet.be) joined #gnuenterprise. is there anybody ou there? nope nobody here :) just us poor goats... meeeeh ;) how time is it in your country? Wed Aug 22 19:43:32 NZST 2001 only 10 hours more ... nice! Action: ajmitch must be off!! cya'll Nick change: ajmitch -> ajbusy Wed Aug 22 16:49:34 IRKST 2001 rm log i'm looking for a modular database. the aim of this db is to trace the evolution of some internals projects of our company. Do you really think that gnue is the right "program"? excuse my grammar and vocabulary !!! bdusauso (bdusauso@uu212-190-122-70.unknown.uunet.be) left #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.74) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all eugene: you here? Nick change: ajbusy -> ajmitch ra3vat: aha :) nedd my address? need email ds at ics.elcom.ru icq #48236295 eugene: need to go, bye see later ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.74) left irc: [x]chat eugene (eugene@194.84.60.1) left irc: Client Exiting chillywilly (danielb@149.milwaukee-01-02rs16rt.wi.dial-access.att.net) left irc: Read error to chillywilly[149.milwaukee-01-02rs16rt.wi.dial-access.att.net]: EOF from client chillywilly_ (danielb@149.milwaukee-01-02rs16rt.wi.dial-access.att.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: chillywilly_ -> chillywilly reinhard_ (rm@N802P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard_ (rm@N802P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Those who say it can't be done should never stop those who are actually doing it. chillywilly (danielb@149.milwaukee-01-02rs16rt.wi.dial-access.att.net) left irc: Ping timeout for chillywilly[149.milwaukee-01-02rs16rt.wi.dial-access.att.net] Nick change: ajmitch -> ajzzzz neilt (neilt@user-2ivem5b.dialup.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ neilt (neilt@user-2ivem5b.dialup.mindspring.com) left irc: neilt (neilt@user-2ivem5b.dialup.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ morning all morning neilt reinhard: still sane enough to repsond to IRC, thats a good sign huh? you fear that i went insane? from working on methods :) yes just checking :) j/k well i never let something like that influence me never [07:29] MSG541 bwhahahahaha :) ;) NO I AM NOT ANGRY!!!! ;) :) Action: neilt thinks reinhard did that insane impression just a little too well :) :) reinhard (rm@62.47.44.55) left irc: Ping timeout for reinhard[62.47.44.55] reinhard (rm@N802P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. dres (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. hey insano is here (aka reinhard) Nick change: dnZzzz -> derek Nick change: reinhard -> insano huh? rofl can we say there is a 'method to your madness' ;) or woudl that be lol 'methods ARE your madness' Nick change: insano -> reinhard ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.52) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all How does linux kernel do it? Even odd? What if we say odds are stable. So 0.1.0 is stable. If we find 'bugs' we patch it and release 0.1.1 0.1.2 etc as need be. Then we start work on 2.0. The first release will be 2.0.1 and we do regular developmental releases until we get methods and whatever else nailed down where it becomes 'stable' 3.0 then the 4.0 starts. From jamest little forms venture I 'think' it was decided. HEAD would always be development so we would TAG this 0.1.0 release then BRANCH it. 2.0 development would occur in head and if someone needed to patch 0.1.0 they would do so in the branch. (jamest, chilly, others correct me if im wrong on this). reinhard: that is in response to your email i also sent it via email so all could respond derek: linux kernel does x.odd.y = unstable ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.52) left irc: Ping timeout for ra3vat[195.239.64.52] x.even.y = stable gnits standard is x.y = release for example 1.2 then 1.2a, 1.2b, 1.2c etc are bug fixes then 1.2.90 - 1.2.99 are unstable releases then 1.3 is again stable gnu standard is to have no standard ;) but most core gnu package use that 1.2b numbering scheme i dont like the gnu way :) i do like odd being unstable even being stable so wonder if we want this release to be 0.2.0 so stable implys we test it before release then start methods working as 0.3.0 0.3.1 etc :) that seem like an awlful handicap that is why i like the x.x.x scheme this release is unstable reinhard: i would consider it stable in relative terms so we shouldn't call it 0.0.x because 0 is even :) reinhard: yes i agree that was MY bad it should be at like 0.1.5 right now not 0.0.5 thats why im proposing an official 0.2.0 release to correct the problem :) then starte 0.3.0 in head that has new method code :) we will do same with forms when going to stable release we will jump to 0.2.0 and start 0.3.0 development in head derek: i am not sure if a project like gnue should release unstable at all and with reports / designer we will release as 0.1.x other than preview releases reinhard: i think we should especially this early on once we hit 1.0.0 then i would say we might not want to do 1.1.x releases too publicly but for now its only way to show progress which is what we need to show momentum we just need to make it VERY clear if you are writing applications avoid odd releases :) most of the release farms we use freshmeat etc have way to diff which releases are stable and which ones are for 'playing' but this is not the derek show so what ever you guys think best we will go with http://www.advogato.org/article/326.html relative article to this dicussion ;) neilt (neilt@user-2ivem5b.dialup.mindspring.com) left irc: Ping timeout for neilt[user-2ivem5b.dialup.mindspring.com] in any case it should be same system at least for all parts of gnue yes i think that will be mandatory :) from looking at the rpm list of my system at first view it seems like most non-gnu projects have x.y.z and most gnu projects have x.y well you know i like x.y.z in fact in my world it was wors it was w.x.y.z and z was a build number that you had NO control ove over every time you built the source it would increment the build number yeah i know of course we only published x.y.z i once coded in delphi, too :) ;) i could like x.y.z too the question only is do we want to make releases in alpha state or do we require people that want to play must suck from cvs which will be like passing an intelligence test before getting to alpha software ;) well i don't argue very stronly about this stuff, i'm flexible about how we make it i liked odd/even, too, before just meanwhile i found out that it's completely anti gnu well we live to piss of richard so dont mind the anti gnu part (heavy sarcasm) i like idea of intelligence test BUT i know what its like to be behind a firewall or know what its like to get cvs on 'bad' day so i like idea of controlled 'previews' i think either on download page or on start of application in previews or 'odd' releases we say something like 'this is not production software, lop off your toes and fingers and complain to someone else when it doesnt work' or 'we guarantee your data will be lost, you stuff will no longer work, we will eat all your resources and in general we will piss you off, if you must still use this please feel free' ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.88) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.88) left irc: Ping timeout for ra3vat[195.239.64.88] must go to work now bye bye Nick change: derek -> dnWork jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) left irc: ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet? neilt (neilt@user-2ivemje.dialup.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ neilt (neilt@user-2ivemje.dialup.mindspring.com) left irc: Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. howdy [13:12] MSG541[13:14] MSG541 ICQ is interesting Action: Mr_You didn't touch ICQ til yesterday. I can see this being a bigger distraction than IRC what's ICQ? as opposed to IRC www.icq.com I guess its a chat deal like AOL IM ah ICQ is a pain yeah, but you can talk to chicks ;-) checks? chicks? yeah, some not so attractive ;-) uggh bbl dneighbo (dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. well when married its not 'advisable' to talk to chicks on icq but how do you know their really chicks? :) their = they're rofl thats his problem not mine umm covad sucks they won't route multiple blocks to your circuit.. only one block so when you want to expand, you have to give up your current block why does galeon eat file names and store downloads in /tmp because it is not konquerer true that :) ok, yoda hm i have had good luck with galeon short of it losing its mind on two occassions but the development team VERY friendly chillywilly (danielb@19.milwaukee-08-09rs16rt.wi.dial-access.att.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: ajzzzz -> ajmitch how was the birthday party? dneighbo@ash:/var/log/apache$ ls access.log access.log.2001-08.gz error.log.2001-07.gz access.log.2001-05.gz error.log error.log.2001-08.gz access.log.2001-06.gz error.log.2001-05.gz access.log.2001-07.gz error.log.2001-06.gz dneighbo@ash:/var/log/apache$ are the zipped versions with reverse lookup? gunzip -c |more :) jcater: the party is on Sunday this was just cake and ice cream with the family jcater: thank you jamest, any chance we can make those zip files store w/ reverese lookup? chillywilly (danielb@19.milwaukee-08-09rs16rt.wi.dial-access.att.net) left irc: Read error to chillywilly[19.milwaukee-08-09rs16rt.wi.dial-access.att.net]: EOF from client chillywilly (danielb@d39.as7.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: ajmitch -> ajbusy Action: chillywilly is away: food Action: chillywilly is back (gone 00:08:15) dneighbo: I guess so, but why? um cause i need that info :) n doesn't that slow down responsiveness? dneighbo (dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com) left irc: BitchX-1.0c17 -- just do it. ------- note to neilt: i need to talk to you regarding the ! not nul problem basically i fixed it but i am not sure if i like it i have fully understood the problem (at least i think so) and want to talk to you about other ways of solving it ------- jcater: yes it would but only if i did it in realtime dneighbo: didn't I send you a script that fixes the non-resolved file up? bbl Nick change: reinhard -> rm-away jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: [x]chat gnuebot (eggdrop@mail.libertydistribution.com) left irc: Ping timeout for gnuebot[mail.libertydistribution.com] gnuebot (eggdrop@mail.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. gnuebot (eggdrop@mail.libertydistribution.com) left irc: Ping timeout for gnuebot[mail.libertydistribution.com] Nick change: rm-away -> reinhard Nick change: ajbusy -> ajmitch jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: home Nick change: ajmitch -> ajbusy nite all reinhard (rm@N802P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Those who say it can't be done should never stop those who are actually doing it. chillywilly (danielb@d39.as7.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: chillywilly (danielb@d39.as7.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. gnuebot (eggdrop@mail.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. gnuebot (eggdrop@mail.libertydistribution.com) left irc: Ping timeout for gnuebot[mail.libertydistribution.com] la la la fa la la, la la la la hi dan. hi dan. so how's it going? slooooooow no way. do you have a job, etc? way nope and , like a significant other, and stuff? yes on that but I am still a bum i guess i assumed that maybe you were out of high school or something, but i have no idea of your background yeah i hear that! I just finished college oh got a B. S. in computer engineering then you're highly qualified. something like that neat http://www.msoe.edu we should move to Seattle, where the unemployment benefits can get a person a nice lifestyle you knew Ian Geiser right? know i mean 'no' h0h0 hmmm i meant 'no' and i typed 'know' he worked at LinuxPPC for a while oh that's right way before me was he the webmaster/ ? nah he's too good to do that shit ;) he's one of those people from whom the ppc community sucked the life, i think or am i thinking of someone lese I dunno else so uh did he do distro maintenance/ ? he did some KDE apckageing I think good for him he also hacked that core stuff cores are definately in need of hacking, yes. heh Action: chillywilly has to wait for tetex-extra to install *sigh* big fat ass package send all money to /dev/chillywilly hehe Action: chillywilly just ripped that off [19:03:51] <-- clausen has quit (send all money to /dev/clausen) that's the GNU Parted maintainer he's good ppl Action: chillywilly put dtm in a head lock puts brb Action: chillywilly is away: I'm busy StormBringer (eugene@194.84.60.1) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: chillywilly is back (gone 00:14:57) hwy StormBringer Action: chillywilly pokes dtm with a stick hi er, hey even ;) what's your local time? and your time zone? (when i must come to talk to all you guys :) most are in the US majority is central time zone masta is in AZ Mr_You is in NC neilt , jcater I and central time zone er, and I reinhard is is Austria i'm not a US rezident! i asked for GMT time zone! (what's AZ & NC ?) Arizona North Carolina i see you didn't say GMT [19:27:02] what's your local time? and your time zone? (when i must come to talk to all you guys :) ok. i'm sorry. i meant it... i'm in GMT+8 I think us US central ppl are -4 er, for us we are Action: chillywilly lefta bunch of words out of that sentence 12 hours is a big difference... i have not to sleep if i wanna talk... StormBringer: what country are you in? russia StormBringer: a lot of our core developers were in NZ at leats for GEAS ajbusy is in NZ but he just lurks here to bug us :P that's a little closer you in .au? .ru russia? what is .au? auatrailia er austrailia i see yes, i'm from Russia (.ru) ra3vat who frequents here is from Russia certanly, from Eastern Siberia (ah, Baikal is such a place!) you know him? ppl should be awake in here, but I think they're just busy not personnaly :) we met here a couple of days ago... Action: chillywilly should be busy oh, ok what's your zone of authority in gnue? I hack GEAS GNUe Application Server cool. i should too. :) along with reinhard and neilt....we used to have a NZer who wrote the majority of the code andrewm so i like to hack geas more than other parts. so you like systems/server hacking best? i have some questions about its status and future ok 1: do you sutisfied with ORBit? or planning to drop it out? well masta wants to try omniORB er, dnWork ;) reasons? lack of CORBA services? dunno when that'll happen though we need multi-threading although whenever Gnome 2.0 comes out ORBit should be multi-threaded that's a ways away ORBit team promises multi-threading soon but omniORB is C++ too, so I'm not sure how that will happen GEAS is C so what about CORBA services? CORBAsecurity? CORBAtrading? the next major feature is gonna be methods handling for business objects we have little to no security just simple a password thing that's probably another major subsystem tha needs to be done/redone I think we want to be RPC/IPC independent though, not relying strictly on CORBA plug your favorite thing in there CORBA, SOAP, xml-rpc, etc. so we need a layer of abstraction for object communication