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<neilt> hello all
<neilt> ra3vat: did you get types working from yesterday, i noticed your question that reinhard answered, but the syntax was not exactly right?
<ra3vat> hi neilt
<ra3vat> reinhard answer was correct and i did found how it placed in database
<ra3vat> now i have another question
<neilt> just remember that all references have to be fully qualified
<neilt> so his example should have been currency::money  the_amount;
<ra3vat> ok
<ra3vat> i would like to do a simple app to keep track of USD rate in geas and i don't fully understand how currency conversion and conversion_rule work together
<neilt> ok
<ra3vat> initial data are two currencies USD and RUB(SUR), rate 1USD=29.37RUB and date
<ra3vat> currencies already loaded
<ra3vat> i can choose them from currency__currency by code
<neilt> ra3vat: will the forms have not been written yet
<neilt> because the current forms driver for geas does not support objects
<neilt> imagine that
<neilt> but i can explain how it will work
<neilt> you would define two currency objects in currency::currency
<neilt> one for USD and one for RUB
<ra3vat> have it already
<neilt> then in currency::conversion you would make from point to the currency::currency object (for our example let say it points to USD)
<neilt> so this one object in currency::conversion will handle all conversions from USD
<neilt> now we will make a list of all objects in currency::conversion_rule that we want to be able to convert to
<ra3vat> and on the first step i don't need forms as i try to load something into geas
<neilt> so we need an entry in currency:conversion_rule for RUB
<neilt> so we create currency::conversion_rule and make "to" point to the currency::currency object for RUB
<neilt> then we add the converison information in the rest of the fields
<neilt> and finally we make add the object that we just created currency::conversion_rull (for RUB) to the list currency::conversion.rule 
<neilt> if that make any sense?
<ra3vat> what numerator and denominator will be in this case
<ra3vat> 1USD=29.37RUB
<neilt> to = from * (numerator/denominator)
<neilt> of course we have not implemented the methods (because methods dont work) to actually do the conversion
<neilt> the methods will be added to the currency::converison object when methods work
<neilt> so to get from RUB to USD
<neilt> to = uSD
<neilt> from = RUB
<neilt> nummerator = 29.37
<neilt> demoninator = 1
<neilt> -
<neilt> to = RUB
<neilt> from = USD
<neilt> numerator = 1
<neilt> denominator = 29.37
<neilt> does that make any sense?
<neilt> ra3vat: how are you loading into GEAS?
<ra3vat> i did load currency codes from defaults with parse_load_sql.py
<neilt> cool, did it work
<neilt> ?
<ra3vat> now try to change some test app to play with classes from gnue-config
<neilt> excellent
<ra3vat> and that else do we have it for?
<neilt> ra3vat: i do not understand?
<ra3vat> parse_load_sql.py works great :)
<neilt> thank you, that just a quick hack i kicked out so we could load data
<ra3vat> are you thinking currency module gives appropriate ctructure to keep rates history
<neilt> yes, that is the purpose of the begin and end dates in the currency::conversion_rule object
<neilt> now if we are importing data from a bank
<neilt> we will need to modify the date
<neilt> because at least in the US we dont get denominator and numerator
<ra3vat> i'm thinking about to keep begin end date the same and put new entry on dauly basis 
<ra3vat> daily
<neilt> but in some European countries we must do the conversion with numerator and denominotr
<neilt> that should work
<ra3vat> ok, thanks
<neilt> your welcome
<ra3vat> one more question?
<neilt> yes
<ra3vat> often selling some goods like bearings, automobile spare parts there is a need for big cross reference database (catalog)
<neilt> yes
<ra3vat> that combine info from different manufacturers and may be distributor with our catalog 
<neilt> i have often seen that
<ra3vat> where to place it in gnue?
<neilt> hold on, let me look at docs, because we have discussed this at lenght
<neilt> ra3vat: this would be in the sales package
<neilt> we expect to define a sales_item that is a child of base_item
<neilt> IIRC
<ra3vat> where it was discussed?
<neilt> on IRC
<neilt> done have the dates
<neilt> and cant find the docs
<neilt> :(
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<ra3vat> this database may be really big and keep info about products exceeding what we ready to sell right now 
<neilt> who would use the cross reference
<neilt> your customers
<neilt> or your employees
<neilt> have to go for a bit
<neilt> be back one hour
<neilt> later all
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<neilt> reinhard: are you really here?
<reinhard> yep
<neilt> cool, i htought you were not back untill monday
<reinhard> well, it's sunday evening here
<reinhard> and i am not planning to really _do_ something
<reinhard> just checking my mail actually
<neilt> :)
<reinhard> and x-chat is started automatically
<neilt> i added some things to the TODO
<reinhard> will look
<neilt> and have been thinking about transactions
<reinhard> wow
<neilt> if we are going to do accounting we
<neilt> need to implement some simple form of transactions
<reinhard> yes
<neilt> it wont work otherwise
<reinhard> at least it won't be stable
<neilt> and i think transaction support will need to be in the server
<neilt> :)
<reinhard> surely
Action: neilt goes to read reinhards docs on transactions in the module guide
<reinhard> there are some?
<neilt> yes
<neilt> transaction log tables
<neilt> batch tables
<neilt> etc
<reinhard> oh
<reinhard> this "transactions" doesn't mean transactions like in db transactions
<reinhard> this "transactions" means like in business transactions
<reinhard> brb
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<neilt> just posted geas release to the mac community and we already have 13 downloads
<neilt> http://www.versiontracker.com/macosx/index.shtml
<neilt> cool
<neilt> at least by their count
<reinhard> neilt: i saw that you added a comment to the INSTALL file
<reinhard> what you probably don't know is that INSTALL is a standard file
<reinhard> which is actually identical in 90% of all GNU projects
<neilt> yes
<reinhard> so there are chances that people don't read all through the file
<reinhard> just wanted to make you aware of that
<reinhard> neilt: you read luis's mail about summary/detail posting?
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<neilt> reinhard: do i did not see his email
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<neilt> reinhard: and yes i know its a standard file, but it does need to be there
<reinhard> ok
<reinhard> neilt: i just saw that he only sent to me
<reinhard> i forwarded to the list and added some comments
<neilt> cool, thanks
<reinhard> and on INSTALL it's ok for me, just wanted to make sure you know
<reinhard> bbl
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<Mr_You> hi
<neilt> hello
<Mr_You> got work to do today bleah
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<Mr_You> chilly you play guitar?
<chillywilly> yes
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<Mr_You> I want one of these: www.mountainamps.com
<Mr_You> portable little amp, and I could display it with my two guitars ;-)
<chillywilly> tubes?
<Mr_You> nah solid-state
<chillywilly> what dos the shockwave thingy look like?
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<Mr_You> oh yeah bleah
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<chillywilly> I don't use proprietary plugins
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<Mr_You> I think most (or all) their site is in flash :-(((
<chillywilly> oh god
<chillywilly> woops
<Mr_You> http://www.mountainamps.com/sales.html
<chillywilly> flahs is cool for stuff like joecartoon.com
<chillywilly> flash
<chillywilly> most of the time it is a nuisance
<Mr_You> that page has graphic
<Mr_You> yeah their flash adds no benefit, just weak animation
<chillywilly> ah I have seen little bitty amps like that
<chillywilly> I almost bought this little tube amp once
<Mr_You> even when creating flash you should create static graphics like in this case, extremely easy to do
<chillywilly> but when I got it home it was acting stupid
<chillywilly> so  brought it back
<Mr_You> what kind?  you remember?
<Mr_You> it was battery powered?
<chillywilly> no
<chillywilly> but it was pretty small
<Mr_You> this mountain amp runs for about 9 hours ;-)  thats what I want..
<chillywilly> a "practice" amp
<chillywilly> I have a fender powr chorus (solid state) and a digitech valveFX effects processor
<chillywilly> I cannot even turn my amp volume on 1 wthout making the windows rattle
<chillywilly> it is loooooooud
<Mr_You> supposedly it sounds real good, and a tube would have less playing time.. 
<chillywilly> especially with distrotion
<Mr_You> yeah my boogie is loud.. I've got 1 of 2 of my tube converters hehe.. will cut power down to 3-4 watts.. 
<Mr_You> for quiet settings
<chillywilly> tubes rle though
<chillywilly> rule
<Mr_You> I would rather have a DSP emulation 9v battery powered amp..
<chillywilly> my valveFX has tubes in it
<chillywilly> preamp tubes 12AX87s
<chillywilly> basically I run the amp throught the effects processor and have a couple of favortiee channels
<chillywilly> "grind your axe"
<chillywilly> "cleanest blue"
<chillywilly> I should learn how to program the thing
<Mr_You> I have a Triaxis, haven't programmed it yet ;-)
<Mr_You> I need new tubes and pickups..
<Mr_You> I'll put on a distortion mode and turn down and play clean
<Mr_You> you know
<chillywilly> sure
<Mr_You> this would be an awesome project
<chillywilly> but I play a lot of metal so I like distortion
<Mr_You> a 6.5" 9v batter powered tube amp?
<chillywilly> I alos have a channel called "flying solo" for when I want to go nuts
<chillywilly> yeah
<Mr_You> the thing about portable amps is that solid-state is more reliable.. 
<Mr_You> I would just be recreating the smicz-amplification portablues
<Mr_You> guess I'll ask him if he plans on making a smaller version..
<Mr_You> I doubt it 
<Mr_You> supposedly these mountain amps have a pretty good authentic tube-like tone
<Mr_You> oh duh!  he is coming out with a Portablue Jr.
<chillywilly> kewl
<Mr_You> This little tone monster promises to have a huge voice in a very small package! Using a 12AX7 preamp tube and a 6AK6 output tube, the PORTABLuEs Jr. / Tube Cube will be the smallest, most portable all-tube guitar/harp amp in the universe! 
<Mr_You> 8 Alkaline D batteries and 18lbs compared to 9v battery and 9lbs ;-)
<Mr_You> I wonder the playing time.. 
<chillywilly> yeah tubes suck juice
<Mr_You> if the playing time is good I'd like it.. its going to be smaller than the mountain amp too
<chillywilly> yah
<chillywilly> been looking for a job still?
Action: chillywilly is still looking, but thinking of going independent
<Mr_You> yeah I sent resume on one job friday will call tommorow
<Mr_You> its very hard to find independent work but I'm working more to find it
<chillywilly> ya