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Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) left irc: night chillywilly (danielb@d13.as0.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Ping timeout for chillywilly[d13.as0.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net] chillywilly (danielb@d13.as0.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ghunt (xavier@uu212-190-122-70.unknown.uunet.be) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@d13.as0.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: night ra3vat (ds@195.239.66.47) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all ra3vat: hi reinhard: hi reinhard: have a question if i do: cur = self.database.loadSingleObject("currency::currency", "code", "USD") then conv = self.database.loadSingleObject("currency::conversion", "from", "put-cur-objectid-here") how to refer to cur.objectid ? function? i think cur.getField("objectid") or something like that objectid is accessible like a normal field ok, i was thinking about special behaviour for objectid cur.getField should work thanks ra3vat: the special thing is that the name of the field will change from "objectid" to "sys_id" in next release for consistency sake Action: reinhard hopes that ra3vat is aware that he's still facing a moving target with geas what is that consistency? all geas reserved field names begin with sys_ ok let me know when you screw it all up :) ra3vat (ds@195.239.66.47) left irc: Ping timeout for ra3vat[195.239.66.47] Milosch (milos@dsl254-035-221.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Milosch (milos@dsl254-035-221.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left #gnuenterprise. ghunt (xavier@uu212-190-122-70.unknown.uunet.be) left irc: Read error to ghunt[uu212-190-122-70.unknown.uunet.be]: EOF from client ghunt (xavier@uu212-190-122-70.unknown.uunet.be) joined #gnuenterprise. hi hi ghunt neilt (neilt@user-2ivelku.dialup.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ morning all morning neilt reinhard: yes my system has posix threads now how do i locate which library localtime_r might be in nm -o /usr/lib/*.a | grep localtime_r brb no luck finding it that way oh sh*t that means that your system doesn't have localtime_r most of the libraries that i link against are .dylib so i tried that and did not find it either do you have a function prototype localtime_r in time.h? i am not sure that that command checks frameworks so lets not give up hope yet brb (reboot) reinhard (rm@62.47.44.55) left irc: Those who say it can't be done should never stop those who are actually doing it. reinhard (rm@N802P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. back no luck have you checked time.h? yes, it does not have localtime_r and it does not have localtime is there a sys/time.h on your system? yes no localtime or localtime_r you must have a localtime somewhere geas uses it since ever /System/Library/Frameworks/Kernel.framework/Versions/A/Headers/sys/time.h /usr/include/sys/time.h /usr/include/time.h ok found it struct tm *localtime __P((const time_t *)); in the last time.h ok but no localtime_r ? nope that does not make any sense, because it compiled no maybe it assumed a definition yes implicit declaration so we need a test in configure, a warning, and ifdef to use just localtime if not available which means is should default to using localtime unless localtime_r is available BroBock (pbbth2@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left #gnuenterprise. BTW localtime is used in 6 other places in the code yeah i know andrewm used to use localtime but that's not thread-safe so i wanted to use localtime_r at least for the new code i write but maybe it's best to just switch to localtime for now because geas is now far from thread safe anyway later reinhard: thanks for the help wont be back until tomorrow, probably neilt (neilt@user-2ivelku.dialup.mindspring.com) left irc: neilt: i'll switch back to localtime too late Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@d6.as28.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: ajbusy -> ajmitch Nick change: ajmitch -> ajzzzz nickr_ (nick@sdsl-64-7-6-186.dsl.nyc.megapath.net) left irc: Ping timeout for nickr_[sdsl-64-7-6-186.dsl.nyc.megapath.net] ghunt (xavier@uu212-190-122-70.unknown.uunet.be) left irc: leavin workplace Action: chillywilly is away: cwcode Action: chillywilly is back (gone 00:01:48) Nick change: chillywilly -> cwdesign Nick change: cwdesign -> chillywilly chillywilly (danielb@d6.as28.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: rebooting with grub floppy chillywilly (danielb@d149.as1.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. nickr (nick@sdsl-64-7-6-186.dsl.nyc.megapath.net) joined #gnuenterprise. what is it with you guys and python? python rocks you ever use it? stephen (stephen@63.112.225.194) joined #gnuenterprise. what's wrong with python nickr? Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) left irc: ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet? anyone here heading any of the programs for GNUe? "heading"? leading some of us eocntribute code er contribute reinhard is leading GEAS I tag along neilt does too he's not here jamest and jcater do forms, designer and reports they're not here either in fact a lot of them are at the Expo wish I was there :( where's the expo? Linux World Expo in San Francisco fun how long does it last? yeah like 3 days or so I think Th, Fri, and Sat no wait wednesday, thursday, friday hrm, is `mysql.org' the best place to download a SQL server? would that be the right choice for a database backend? ack mysql is a toy postgresql is nice plus mysql is very SQL compliant neilt (neilt@user-2ivekag.dialup.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ howdy that linking error is really tripped out man hello stephen: did you get your questions answered I think that symbol is int time.h chillywilly: not on my system hrrrrm what did reinhard change anywa? anyway reinhard: i still think there is some logic in installing the proper check in the configure chillywilly: he changed localtime to localtime_r localtime_r is supposed to be a thread safe version of localtime a function he wrote? no a posix standard function http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/7908799/xsh/localtime.html why don't you have thr thread safe version? you hav e glibc right? Nick change: neilt -> neil-away btw, neil-away what was that crakc about Dmitry being communistic....I then noticed you ran away immediately after saying that jamest (gnue@204.192.62.16) joined #gnuenterprise. good day jcater (jason@204.192.62.17) joined #gnuenterprise. hey guys having fun yet?!? surely um what do you call fun gnuebot (eggdrop@mail.libertydistribution.com) left irc: Read error to gnuebot[mail.libertydistribution.com]: EOF from client derek (derek@204.192.62.18) joined #gnuenterprise. hehe consecutive IPs ah crap, dereks here um better stop saying that who told you two that you could stop coding what two? i can HONESTLY say i have jamest and jason in a cage currently gnuebot just bit the dust ah, crap... he can actually reach over and smack us now i have pictures to prove it lol give 'em a crack for em me :P Action: chillywilly has to call th alumni association and see if they will let the MLUG meet at MSOE permanently Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. meeesta yeeew derek (derek@204.192.62.18) left irc: Read error to derek[204.192.62.18]: EOF from client derek (derek@204.192.62.18) joined #gnuenterprise. gnuebot (eggdrop@mail.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o gnuebot' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ what exactly are you guys demoing? is there anything I can help with on the GNUe project? (I only program in C) GEAS :) GEAS is in C GEAS is good :P come join the GEAS team python is pretty easy to pickup though...unless you totally never heard of OO programming stephen: yes, geas could probably use assitance you hear they indicted Dmitry Sklyarov jamest? neil-away (neilt@user-2ivekag.dialup.mindspring.com) left irc: Ping timeout for neil-away[user-2ivekag.dialup.mindspring.com] god save the USA! tis our only hope I pledge allegance to the window icon of the United States of America. And to the corporate for which it stands one nation under Microsoft indivisible thru FUD and litigation for all. hehe jamest (gnue@204.192.62.16) left irc: Client Exiting back sorry for not answering jcater: you all on linux world expo? ra3vat (ds@195.239.66.42) joined #gnuenterprise. yip they are lucky bastards Action: Mr_You wonders the status of phpGEAS ;-) what can I do to assist? the stuff on the TODO list? yea (err, just the stuff on the TODO list?) ummm phpGEAS? ra3vat (ds@195.239.66.42) left irc: Ping timeout for ra3vat[195.239.66.42] yeah wondering if its even being considered.. I suggested phpGNUe API, but dereks is better phpGEAS API Mr_You: are you volunteering? eh? you mena a PHP forms client? I'll volunteered what I am capable of ;-) mean I thought the phpGW guys were considering it GEAS API is a CORBA API chillywilly: has to go beyond a forms client why? use friggin CORBA stephen: the place where you could probably help most would be to help chillywilly with the methods thing a phpGEAS API should give enough functionality to create a shopping cart system for example ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.194) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: chillywilly just needs more time....haha can't you CORBA though? why make some other API doesn't PHP have some CORBA support? sharing reusable routines is good you make no sense what do you mean? just write a forms client in PHP that rednders the thing on the web and talks to GEAS just like how the other forms should work aren't corba connections and web connections typically very different? one is somewhat persistent and the other is usually not? I don't want to use a form I just want to access GEAS not a GNUe Form that is well I am asuming that PHP can do CORBA you don't need to do forms per se is CORBA a persistent connection, I haven't read up on it no not really you get an object reference and then you can make remote calls ok where would a php client store this object reference? first you should look and see if PHP has CORBA support it is just a big ol stribng I thought someone had confirmed that already big ol' string no but yer right I said I was making an assumption it would be nice if it did and the proper way to talk to GEAS right now derek (derek@204.192.62.18) left irc: [x]chat http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.satellite.php nickr (nick@sdsl-64-7-6-186.dsl.nyc.megapath.net) left irc: Read error to nickr[sdsl-64-7-6-186.dsl.nyc.megapath.net]: Connection reset by peer uhh last updated today heh hehe nickr (nick@sdsl-64-7-6-186.dsl.nyc.megapath.net) joined #gnuenterprise. the field that in .gcd looks like *from in database placed as _from How should i refer to it when do obj.getField("what?")? reinhard: it was for you :) don;t worry about the databse structure just uis the field name that is in the gcd use chilly: the idea is that I want someone to create a php API for GNUe that lets me get around the nitty gritty ;-) Mr_You: it is sooo easy if you use CORBA roflmao yeah, but why waste time writting 500 lines of code or so when I can use an API and write 10 ;-) well I suppose someone cold do a wrapper to setup the CORBA etc. I see you want a level of abstraction Action: Mr_You knows the answer, he's not qualified and must get to work on other stuff right now ;-) chillywilly: thats basicly what the API routines are well derek wants a php API to GEAS ya I see now mentioned it rather I was stupid before and didn't get it you could build a CMS for web content ontop of the phpGEAS api the forms client should itself supprt different front ends, imho then you could just use the GEAS driver via forms client with a PHP frontend chillywilly: ok, thanks Mr_You: yeah or phpgw guys can port hmmmm what do you thin jcater? think well the idea is that for web content you want to go beyond creating a form.. it will need to be layed out on top of the web page, so the form is just a method to access the backend. form is a general purpose GUI though damn i hated vi in college... if i ever accidently got into it, i just +rebooted the damn machine... omg rofl :q it's that easy why would a form not beed good enough for a CMS? it is supposed to be a general purpose GUI er, UI hence we have ncurses and a rotting Java client too ra3vat: was your question answered? but I think it would be coooler to people able to slap on different fronends....or at leats write different forn ends and all be the using th esam clent code for various database drivers including GEAS the reusable stuff but I know dick about that reinhard: lookat this from geas log: SQL query: 'SELECT currency__conversion._from,currency__conversion.objectid FROM currency__conversion WHERE (currency__conversion."from"='28ff49e10f1742da8ff91b3fa9a883fe') LIMIT 1' PostgreSQL reported a fatal error PostgreSQL Error message: ERROR: No such attribute or function 'from' stephen: the connection is stalled hrm, how do you send messages to just one person? try it again /msg is easier chilly: I can see a reason why you would want a web Forms client, but I can see needed functionality that is focused more on web-content/interaction.. in other words, I don't see a reason why I would create a website using Forms Designer.. reinhard: it was just after conv = gdb.loadSingleObject("currency::conversion", "from", cur.getField("objectid")) ra3vat: what did you do? ra3vat: try s/from/_from/ for the python command Action: reinhard is surprised how many parts of geas he still doesn't understand reinhard: chillywilly advised me not to worry about _from in database :) ra3vat: btw from looking at the IDL file please use cur.objectId instead of cur.getField("objectid") reinhard: seems a bug it do SELECT currency__conversion._from and then WHERE (currency__conversion."from" ra3vat: i think this _from is not generated from your "from" (sounds weird) i think geas automatically loads all fields of a class that are defined in that class via SELECT no matter what you ask for ra3vat: so still please try "_from" instead of "from" it works but is it right to do that? no right would be the third parameter of loadSingleObject would be a variant parameter and if the second parameter is a field name of type "object" then the thir parameter should be of type object so you should be able to do loadSingleObject ("class", "strfield", "foobar") as well as loadSingleObject ("currency::conversion", "from", cur) because from the outside view of geas there should be a field called "from" and it should contain "objects" I wish we couls just make business objects corba objects you knwo you can add interfaces on the fly to CORBA ORBit supports it chillywilly: yes the interface repository or something it is called we will do that in some later version dynamic interfaces? well anyway andrewm was telling me about it once reinhard: ok, thanks. should keep playing with it ra3vat: yes, and thanks for playing ra3vat: you using this for production somewhere or just sandbox? derek (derek@204.192.62.18) joined #gnuenterprise. yes, for my production sandbox :) ra3vat: i think you will bring up a lot of issues. probably you are the first person that tries to actually _use_ geas post treshna :) reinhard: seems theshna gave up i fear some customer(s) of them still use(s) for production reinhard: seems i'm not allowed to do #rate.setField("to", rub.getField("objectid")) if "to" is an object reference yes there is a seperate method to do that setReference? exactly just found it, too ok neilt (neilt@user-2ivem1s.dialup.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ hi neilt chillywilly: with reference to corba object being business objects, from what I have read this is a no no reinhard: hello why? you should be able to dynamically update nisiness objects eventually too business theproblem is the relative speed of marshalling a lot of different object types ah yea marshalleing is very very expensive in CORBA yes didn't think of that ok , so maybe that is a sucly thing to do sucky if we keep a limited number of objects around and reuse them we will have a much faster system skeeter|sleep (mpeters@cs666916-91.satx.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout for skeeter|sleep[cs666916-91.satx.rr.com] will its all a tradeoff right now GEAS sucks for speed have you tested it? neilt: yeah but that has probably other reasons 1000 record search took andrewm 3 to 5 seconds that's not bad is it? well yeah andrewm spent a month getting it from 15 seconds down to 5 that kida sucks kinda well CORBA is cslow that's why people bitch and maon about it no i have not, i am using andrewm numbers and there is a golden rule I thought he had some things down to a constant time operation though that obfuscated coded is generally slower than clean code yup neilt: i am torn wrt sys_id skeeter (mpeters@cs666916-91.satx.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. especially wrt keeping "objectid" compatibility achieving that would be a first class PITA and i wonder if it is worth doing it afaik only users having _real_ data in geas databases are 2 of andru's customers and you should be able to convert your database from objectid to sys_id with a simple sql command what si the differenmce between those ids? chillywilly: the name Action: chillywilly is lost oooooh chillywilly: we decided to rename "objectid" to "sys_id" you mean breaking the databse filds fields ya to be consistent wrt that all geas reserved names begin with sys_ yea we are gonna facehtis issue all the time with upgrade to packages there shouldbe a nice way to convert skeeter (mpeters@cs666916-91.satx.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout for skeeter[cs666916-91.satx.rr.com] imho alter table foo (add field sys_id char(32)); ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.194) left irc: Ping timeout for ra3vat[195.239.64.194] then copy the old and remove it right? update foo columns (sys_id) values (objectid) man i hope nobody of those who read this know _real_ sql syntax ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.194) joined #gnuenterprise. What manual page do you want? well i use other way to convert destroydb geas; createdb geas; geas-server :) thing is you need to know dynamically what the diffs between objects are chillywilly: i don't follow you I am going off on a tangent wrt updating packages and business objetcs ah ok please forget that for today :)