[00:58] Last message repeated 1 time(s). Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) left irc: night reinhard (rm@N802P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. hi hello do you think the U.S. deserved this? some ppl are just saying that we shit on too many ppl and now are getting a taste of our own medicine i am not sure if the u.s. deserves this what happened to the u.s. but i am sure the people who were killed or injured do not deserve it SachaS (sacha@chime-a-63.conceptual.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout for SachaS[chime-a-63.conceptual.net.au] dtm (dtm@m206-221.dsl.tsoft.com) left irc: Ping timeout for dtm[m206-221.dsl.tsoft.com] dtm (dtm@m206-221.dsl.tsoft.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hey SachaS (sacha@chime-a-101.conceptual.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. SachaS (sacha@chime-a-101.conceptual.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout for SachaS[chime-a-101.conceptual.net.au] SachaS (sacha@chime-a-223.conceptual.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@d42.as5.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: SachaS (sacha@chime-a-223.conceptual.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout for SachaS[chime-a-223.conceptual.net.au] neilt (neilt@user-2ivek44.dialup.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ morning all reinhard: you here? yes we have a volunteer with C expereince that wants to help any ideas? actually i see 2 possibilities a. we let him sanity check and test the existing code I have programmed in C under Unix. Know database design very well.(I am damn good at it) I know SQL Very well.(rate myself 8/10) Have the functional expereice in Material Managemnet. this is from the volunteer b. we ask him to work on methods well this of course adds c. we ask him to look at objectstore/objectcache stuff or maybe even let him look all around geas to see where we could win performance if he is really good at combination of C and SQL/Databases this is probably where he could help most did you already contact him or is it just a mail you got would be good to meet him here in irc so we can explain some of the basic concepts and he can ask questions he contacted derek derek referred him to me i am resonding to his email and suggest that he talk with either you or me in iRC ok where is he from which timezone? dont know he has free email at htmail hotmail ah ok we will see :) here is what i have for the email 1) sanity check existing C code in geas 2) work on the re-write of methods 3) look into objectstore module and find improvements. Objectstore is the interface between GEAS and SQL server. 4) write Oracle driver 5) profile geas and look for performance improvements neilt: please add that this list is not sorted by priority he mentioned he has ORacle experience and that he should just choose what he likes most only maybe that 3) should be done before 4) because 3) could change the way drivers are written but if the driver is written it should only be a matter of copying the code into a new structure i am not so concerned about that the drivers currently work so i would put rewrite of objectstore low on the priuority list but having an oracle driver is a big selling point neilt: you're right ok you have copy of email k thanks Nick change: neilt -> neilt-work jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o jamest' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ wasssssssssup not alot man someone needs to seriously punish gas station owners seems the american petro companies are saying that there's plenty of petro and gas statoins should not be raising their prices i heard it went up over a $1 a gallon here in town yesterday owners pulled the prices from their signs so you had to pull up to the pump to find out what you'd pay i can't believe with all this suffering that some people were low enough on the food chain to see an opprotunity to make an extra dollar you will always find that those are the rules of the free market so are the rules to buy gas fromt he station that is not raising prices :) neilt-work: exactly or to take the bus if the gas price is too high and it is possible of course :) neilt-work: lots of them pulled their prices from the signs customers had no idea what they were paying until after they waited in line for X amount of time or they parked, walked to the gas station and read the pumps in some cases the lines were blocks long but I agree w/ the don't buy from the proffit mongers neilt-work: hows DC today? Nick change: neilt-work -> neilt calm traffic is light just waiting for bush to declare war then the real excitement starts would not give a penny to live outside the US right now neilt: you mean outside the US in general and the palestines lost whatever sympathy they had with all the parties they had going on or you mean in afghanistan or so? will i think europe is ok as is australia thanks Action: reinhard wipes forehead ;) actually i am feeling more secure here now than i would feel in the u.s. dont thank me thank your politicians for not supporting terrorism we are secure reinhard: I'm not to worried/scared people generally dont take pot shots at the week so this just reafirms our position as a word power s/week/weak/ s/word/world/ wish i could type neilt: yes this is true as much as I'd do not want to see this escalate however i think it's good to be strong enough to resist terrorism but it's even better not being interesting to terrorists at all :) I think the US is a good place to be wrt to domestic security jamest: agree i have traveled all over the world except russia and china and security is better here than anyplace i have been this sounds quite different than what you said yesterday what i said ? about security on u.s. planes etc as unless you're a nut job you really don't want to risk ticking off the US government its still easy for terrorists to get on places security on planes wasn't lax as much as outdated IMHO but that odes not mean i feel unsafe they are looking for people with metal weapons more people are killed every year by cancer and auto accidents i still drive a car neilt: very true and i still breath the air yeah and the most dangerouse animal in the world is still the pig because more people die because they eat too much meat than from any other animal like crocodile or lions Action: reinhard is feeling like he is getting offtopic lol ok, for on topic stuff the geas driver is at a complete standstill this week good we have a taekwondo demo Thursday geas development is, too at least from my side for a big town parrade type thing for the school jamest: i would feel secure, too, if i knew taekwondo and a few of the people that were going to be in it called called into active duty so that means a few of us found out last night we'd be doing the demo instead sigh neilt (neilt@user-2ivek44.dialup.mindspring.com) left irc: Ping timeout for neilt[user-2ivek44.dialup.mindspring.com] reinhard: :) reinhard: was austria effected by this at all? not directly of course security was improved for the u.s. embassy and the israel one and it was a 18 hours nonstop news tv show this is too wierd but i think this was the case all over the world in frankfurt / germany i was under impression that a lot of countries face terrorism daily they were afraid because they had some ppl telling there are bombs in the frankfurt bourse (sp?) ? the place where you trade stocks they had a bomb warning there but it was false alarm appearently jamest: there are not many countries attacked by terrorists regularly i think it's israel and it was at least for northern ireland and it still is afaik for spain but that are mostly citicens of the own country not an international organization even what happens now in israel is more a civial war than terrorism actually true ToyMan (stuq@c5300-1-ip165.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. a 160GM HD 160GB Action: jamest remembers the huge wenchester's that were like what 5 to 10MB and that they were pretty fancy for the time jamest: you are _that_ old?? (just teasing) Action: jamest wonders when GB will stand for googlebyte and yes , i guess I am however, in my defence, I was taking a CS class at college when I saw it defense but it was a night course and I was a 6th grader in middle school at the time :) so it's not like i was in the industry at the time :) neilt (neilt@user-2ivelfn.dialup.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ my first computer had 7" floppies and that was state of the art ToyMan: hey i always thought they were 8" i still remember the first 3.5" floppy disks i bought were about US$ 20,- per piece uh, maybe it was 8" that was a longgggg time ao a 'NorthStar' running 'nix programming in APL any chance for an APL plug-in for Gnue...:-) ? ToyMan: whoa you are freaking me out i have been talking to aplus a GPL derivative of APL they are looking to possibly create an OLAP engine in Aplus for gnue :) not apl i have to get a new keyboard then start thinking cryptic for everything ;) cant you do a whole program on one line in apl and without any words or am i thinking of some other language yes thats apl aplus comes with its own 'font' set it is a good language for analytical math engines though Nick change: derek -> dnWork jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater, python is out, apl is in :) sorry rofl I thought we would go scheme? l8r all reinhard (rm@N802P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Those who say it can't be done should never stop those who are actually doing it. jbernab (jbernab@200.246.179.182) joined #gnuenterprise. hi hi jcater: your right schema does have a better debugger jbernab: hello i was contacted by dmitry about one of our projects... OpenORM and said you have a similar project called geas... is it rigth? ? where is openorm url? neilt: real programmers don't need debuggers :) http://sourceforge.net/projects/open-orm neilt: http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-pdb.html maybe we can cooperate jamest: are taking a look at it? trying to small fire here are anybody of you near NY? jbernab (jbernab@200.246.179.182) left #gnuenterprise. jcater: then what is the need for python i seem to recall you commenting on the debug capability of python as ssoooooooo good ?? jbernab: I'm in upstate NY dnWork: APL is ver cool very it's read Rev-Polish - left to right lots of strange symbols oops - that's right to left... neilt (neilt@user-2ivelfn.dialup.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error to neilt[user-2ivelfn.dialup.mindspring.com]: Connection reset by peer dneighbo (dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: jamest is about to go friggen postal wassup? user from the 1st ring of hell satan incarnate now, now... don't be so melodramatic I'm almost shaking wow that's usually pretty bad take a few deep breaths and put away the hatchet flashback: "I need this new system setup with fuckloads of customizations and complexity and I want it to do things it can't do as well" Action: jamest (after arguing against it and losing) spends tons of time implementing it today: 20 minute conversation that boils down to "Why'd you make it so complex and customized? I want it simple. And why doesn't it work when I issue " today: "Oh you mean I have to do it the way we talked about in the past instead of this whole new that I pulled from my ass just today?" today: "I NEED it simple and working this new way that is a complete 180 from the way it works." Nick change: jcater -> jcLunch bbs l8r and sorry bbs jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: [x]chat jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o jamest' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ jamest: is this luser i think it is? your office lovely? when will you be installing ms access on thier systems again? Action: dneighbo better not go there, he might see KSU implode ;) dneighbo wins a prise neilt (neilt@user-2ivekug.dialup.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ neilt (neilt@user-2ivekug.dialup.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error to neilt[user-2ivekug.dialup.mindspring.com]: Connection reset by peer jamest : i feel for you, i really do but next time you get angry at this person thank God instead that they arent your spouse, sibling or mother :) Nick change: jcLunch -> jcater GNU Politics, eh? Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater that was yesterday topic jcater what are gas prices ilke in TN? dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error to dres[4.18.171.42]: Connection reset by peer dneighbo: not sure, haven't bought yet all the stations had their signs unmarked and the parking lots were packed Action: jcater has a bike, so didn't care rofl ok so i assume over 3 bucks a gallon if they dont have signs up it went from like 1.2x a gallong to like 1.6x a gallon here so not too bad they just announced on radio for ppl to keep receipts as state attorney general is pursuing price gouging charges Action: jcater is leaving work early to have a gnue afternoon :) later all jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: home bbiab jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: [x]chat any change is gas prices is greedy store owner neilt (neilt@sdn-ar-004varestP287.dialsprint.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ neilt (neilt@sdn-ar-004varestP287.dialsprint.net) left irc: Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) left irc: reboot chillywilly (danielb@d164.as11.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. neilt (neilt@sdn-ar-004varestP287.dialsprint.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ hi neilt any new news? both DC news and GNU news :) mainly how is the article comeing along? i checked in all progress on article i will take a look when i get home feel free to look at and suggest improvements i have some from reinhard that i need to add and i need to review against editors comments i should be on tonight airports here appear still closed when is the article due again? when were you scheduled to go home originally? stuq (stuq@c5300-1-ip86.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi stuq due to fly home on Friday and then back on sunday, may just stay the weekend my wife is not too happy about be flying right now dont remember on the article dates hi dneighbo dneighbo: should be up and running with a new pgsql server on bsd in a few days dneighbo: then we can take a serious look at the MSAccess => PostGresQL thing stuq very cool im ready to move on it soon i have consulting deadlines all this week then next week i might have time to pour into it i need a 7.1 box here or a msaccess97 box at home the other option is VNC i could look at a conversion over the wire and build the tables in your postgres machine and run off a copy of your access anyhow its exciting either way im doing lots of conversions like this here at county now :) that's great I've been trying VNC over here it's SO SLOWWWWWWWWWW even on the local network yeah well somehow will get it so i can do development and then just send you schemas :) as its much easier than fighting VNC if we get you converted to postgres and get a screen or two using gnue any chance of issuing a press release? btw: i know you are in NY, though not manhattan... how is it going there? Action: neilt has done vpn internationally using dial up and slow was an over statement rofl sssslllllooooowwww press release would be great :) "International Toy Conglomerate Converts to Gnue" "Toy Industry is Shocked!" but kidds are in heaven over announcement is vnc normally slow over a LAN? ;) vpn and nvc are 2 differnt things though vnc just noticed that ;) vpn is a way to be a part of the network remotely and vnc is the virtual desktop stuff bbs neilt (neilt@sdn-ar-004varestP287.dialsprint.net) left irc: neilt (neilt@p59.usnyc4.stsn.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) left irc: ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet? no jamest or jcater? hmmm bye all dneighbo (dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com) left irc: BitchX: it won't get you laid mdean (mdean@arc11x10.kcnet.com) joined #gnuenterprise. stuq (stuq@c5300-1-ip86.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: [x]chat Nick change: dnWork -> derek hi mdean anyone use presentation tools for gnu/linux before/ i know of magic point kpresenter star office are there any others Action: derek is going to download staroffice i think as i dont have kde installed here and dont want the hassle of doing so yet am building a computer for small office and want to be gnu/linux am thinking long term debian/kde or gnome/star office or koffice will suffice hey derek I've used SO5.2 to read M$ Power Point stuff - works like a charm sweet im not too worried about compatiablity this will be for a church office so mainly internal stuff only even better but reassuring to hear good things about compatiablity incase its needed the first machine will just be for powerpoint style sermon/song lyrics the second machine will be to record music/sermons third machine for general office utility for now only first machine is of concern :) until next week you wanna write some DHTML for me? ;-) um * You are given twelve balls. All are the same size and weight, except one which is heavier or lighter than the others. Using a balance scale, can you determine the odd ball in three weighings? maybe as the 'javascript' of dcl doesnt work for mozilla/galeon and it drives me nuts using static option it does too not running CVS? its not cvs but darn close i think 20010729 I recently fixed the drop down menus to work in Mozilla - whenever I did the phpgw compatibility work tree menu should work in that version tree was easy - drop down was a PITA doesnt work in galeon 0.11.2 which i think goes against mozilla 0.9.2 or something its about time for me to upgrade both i just am so sick of red aht hat trying to not upgrade thigns so that its painful enough to install debian bah! 0.10.2 works for me (tm)