[00:02] Last message repeated 1 time(s). mmhmm which is a maintenance issue, not a technology issue :) apt is just superior than rpmfind or whatever....plus I have never gotten a redhat system to upgrade, I upgrade my debian box all the time easily well that's nice. mudslinging is stupid. there is plenty of anecdotal evidence to the contrary anyway :) so there, danny boy! :) heee heee I just do not like rpm it never has been as nice as debian's system mmhmm now if they get apt to work with rpms Connectiva did. life will be a lot better right? someone did just need everyone else to use it Mandrake has urppmi or something urpmi supposed to be good the main problem with the package situation, is that in a lot of cases, debian maintainers tend to produce better individual packages. well now that there are package pools debian will shed the bane of a release taking forever and then what will ppl complain about ;) hmm i'm not sure; however, i can assure you that they will! chillywilly (danielb@d98.as12.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Read error to chillywilly[d98.as12.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net]: EOF from client reinhard (rm@62.47.44.46) joined #gnuenterprise. derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Ping timeout for derek[cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net] derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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IIRC it's orbit ok thanks did we try w/ cygwin i think? i tried once but cygwin install over 56k modem was too painfull at home and the machine here I tried it on didn't like it did i understand correctly that there is no way to build such stuff on windows except using cygwin? or are there other possibilities? i think that is right we were also trying to build popy on windows which did require cygwin ok thanks again :) sure, lets hope my answers are correct :) chillywilly (danielb@d126.as10.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hey chilly you up so early? :) yep you are not dreaming although, maybe I am.... Action: chillywilly pinches himself *ouch* nope I'm awake I went to bed early for a change last night ;) dres (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error to dres[4.18.171.42]: Connection reset by peer dres (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (ajmitch@p45-max2.dun.ihug.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout for ajmitch[p45-max2.dun.ihug.co.nz] MFC is like having sex while wearing 7 condoms. Most XWindows widget sets (the exception being KDE) are like a rusted out '83 station wagon, hed together with duct tape and bondo, carrying half a dozen pimple faced teenagers. The floors are covered with evidence of fast-food drive thru visits, and there's a funky odor. Chances are, the driver will stall it at the next stop sign, and the muffler needs replacing. 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Milosch (milos@dsl254-035-221.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left #gnuenterprise. hello all hiya let me interject having to install cygwin is not an option IMHO as i am doing at work to get lyx to work it is a ROYAL headache basically if someone is willing to go through pain of installing cygwin they are probably willing to 'run linux' they just arent allowed in which case we just tell them to use vmware or something similar we really need to make GEAS functional on native windows this should not be too hard as its C code w/ no gui any gui we make for it needs to be in python so that it can run on any GUI thats MHO if ORBIT requires cygwin then ORBIT is not a valid ORB on windows for us is vygwin really that difficult? cygwin I installed it on my mom's machne adn it was all automted or do you mean setting up X stuff? I haven't done that but installing the base cygwin stuff was all automated it downloaded all the tarballs and installed it all painlessly....this was my ecperience, YMMV jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Read error to jamest[hobbes.math.ksu.edu]: EOF from client just for clarification jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o jamest' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ cygwin is needed to compile that stuff but not to run it if we make binary packages for windows does ORBit work on cygwin? maybe I should try to get GEAS going on cygwin once since I do have an install on th ebox upstairs tp://mail.gnome.org/archives/orbit-list/2001-June/msg00024.html bah http://mail.gnome.org/archives/orbit-list/2001-June/msg00024.html http://mail.gnome.org/archives/orbit-list/2001-June/msg00033.html Nick change: derek -> dnWork dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Ping timeout for dres[4.18.171.42] Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. neilt (neilt@sdn-ar-001varestP049.dialsprint.net) left irc: Ping timeout for neilt[sdn-ar-001varestP049.dialsprint.net] gnuebot (eggdrop@mail.libertydistribution.com) left irc: Ping timeout for gnuebot[mail.libertydistribution.com] gnuebot (eggdrop@mail.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o gnuebot' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error to dres_[4.18.171.42]: Connection reset by peer dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: Read error to jcater[w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net]: Connection reset by peer dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error to dres_[4.18.171.42]: Connection reset by peer dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dtm (dtm@m206-221.dsl.tsoft.com) left irc: Read error to dtm[m206-221.dsl.tsoft.com]: EOF from client fwiw Action: reinhard just compiled geas ok on windows cool however i don't get it to run but that's actually postgres problems i will try if just copying geas-server.exe to another windows machine makes it run there principially or if dll's and more stuff is needed i.e. if we have to install cygwin or not you have to install it it links to the dlls the cygwin dlls afaik I dunno how they could make it any easier to install though...I'd like to know what problems derek had installing it neilt (neilt@sdn-ar-002varestP240.dialsprint.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ Nick change: neilt -> neilt-work heh, SUV saved fire fighters dneighbo (dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. nickr (nick@dialup-209.246.103.84.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. nickr (nick@dialup-209.246.103.84.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) left irc: Killed (NickServ (This nick is reserved by another user)) nickr_ (nick@dialup-209.246.103.84.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. neilt-work (neilt@sdn-ar-002varestP240.dialsprint.net) left irc: nickr_nyc (nick@dialup-209.246.88.125.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. nickr_ (nick@dialup-209.246.103.84.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) left irc: Ping timeout for nickr_[dialup-209.246.103.84.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net] Nick change: nickr_nyc -> nickr nickr_ (nick@dialup-209.246.71.117.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. nickr (nick@dialup-209.246.88.125.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) left irc: Ping timeout for nickr[dialup-209.246.88.125.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net] dres__ (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Ping timeout for dres_[4.18.171.42] ToyMan (stuq@c5300-1-ip165.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: [x]chat l8r all reinhard (rm@62.47.44.46) left irc: Those who say it can't be done should never stop those who are actually doing it. nickr_nyc (nick@dialup-64.152.165.82.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. nickr_ (nick@dialup-209.246.71.117.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) left irc: Ping timeout for nickr_[dialup-209.246.71.117.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net] dres__ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error to dres__[4.18.171.42]: EOF from client nickr_nyc (nick@dialup-64.152.165.82.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) left irc: Ping timeout for nickr_nyc[dialup-64.152.165.82.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net] #gnuenterprise: mode change '+m ' by jamest!jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu #gnuenterprise: mode change '-m ' by jamest!jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu whoops heheh chillywilly_ (danielb@d1.as29.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@d126.as10.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by chillywilly_)) Nick change: chillywilly_ -> chillywilly Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) left irc: rebooting to Free Software Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Nick change: dnWork -> derek hey bubba howdy heard about some goat luvin around here? bubba: goat luvin isnt looked down on here but its byog 'bring your own goats' is there a HOWTO for goat-newbies? roflmao try newbie@lists.goat-doc.org can I tell them that gnue sent me? brb bubba (jason@1Cust211.tnt3.memphis3.tn.da.uu.net) left irc: rebooting jcater (jason@1Cust211.tnt3.memphis3.tn.da.uu.net) joined #gnuenterprise. linux is a pain in the butt most of the time too many prerequisites but windows is bigger pain of course, add GNU/Linux and you get even more prerequisites :) j/k neilt (neilt@dialup-209.244.84.237.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ hi neilt im here now but getting ready to leave will be back in about an hour ToyMan (stuq@c5300-4-ip137.albany.thebiz.net) left #gnuenterprise. derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: [x]chat ok Nick change: neilt -> neil-msgme jcater (jason@1Cust211.tnt3.memphis3.tn.da.uu.net) left irc: Ping timeout for jcater[1Cust211.tnt3.memphis3.tn.da.uu.net] jcater (jason@1Cust211.tnt3.memphis3.tn.da.uu.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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