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Nick change: nickr_ -> nickr SachaS (sacha@chime-a-177.conceptual.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. nickr (nick@dialup-209.244.103.223.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) left irc: Ping timeout for nickr[dialup-209.244.103.223.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net] SachaS (sacha@chime-a-177.conceptual.net.au) left irc: Signed off bbl reinhard (rm@62.47.44.46) left irc: Those who say it can't be done should never stop those who are actually doing it. dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Ping timeout for dres[4.18.171.42] gnuebot (eggdrop@mail.libertydistribution.com) left irc: Ping timeout for gnuebot[mail.libertydistribution.com] gnuebot (eggdrop@mail.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o gnuebot' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ neilt (neilt@sdn-ar-004varestP045.dialsprint.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ hello all where is everyone? will, ok, hello neilt hello ToyMan (stuq@c5300-1-ip165.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. good morning all ToyMan: hello later all neilt (neilt@sdn-ar-004varestP045.dialsprint.net) left irc: dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error to dres_[4.18.171.42]: EOF from client dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error to dres_[4.18.171.42]: Connection reset by peer dres__ (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (rm@62.47.44.46) joined #gnuenterprise. dres__ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error to dres__[4.18.171.42]: Connection reset by peer dres__ (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres__ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error to dres__[4.18.171.42]: EOF from client jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dres__ (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Ping timeout for dres_[4.18.171.42] Nick change: dres__ -> dres jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o jamest' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ morning hi bwahahahahaha Action: jcater runs quake doesn't kill people did you do something to your favorite user? MS Flight Simulator kills people http://www.msnbc.com/news/628194.asp?0si Wonder what l33t terroristic sk1lz I can obtain from Deer Hunter for the PC roflmao dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. I needed a good laugh dres (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error to dres[4.18.171.42]: EOF from client alright! Action: jamest is excited why? that's not allowed Action: jcater may have working wizards for designer by end of day :) err, ...may have wizards working in designer... it didn't even take a week for congress to start looking invading our privacy in the interest of protecting us I'm surprised it took that long I figured I'd have to wait at least a few weeks while they blathered on about the terrible loss and all start arround and sign song by the campfire yet again start = stand jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: Ping timeout for jcater[w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net] jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. welcome back thanks that pisses me off all that does is make *US* encryption useless it doesn't affect terrorists at all nope but I don't have to argue this with you :) what kills me... they pass days of mouring, days of regret, days of thunder, no, wait, I think that one was a movie they line up to show unified support, presidental support, their athletic support then they pass laws like you can't park close to the airport, you cant enter the gate area w/o a ticket, the planes have got to be checked for bombs after each flight didn't a single _one_ of them stop to think that not a god-damn rule they passed would have stopped tuesday from happening Action: jcater thinks they should just ban MS Flight Sim... then this wouldn't have happened lets see.....they used plastic knifes they brought with them to hijack a plane that they purchased tickets to board hmmmm.....I know, lets use dogs to sniff for bombs! good idea bubba, that'll stop 'em dead in their tracks jcater: agreed we should also stop boy scouts from learning to whittle yes with that kind of leet training they could fashion wooden knifes that'll slip right thru the metal detectors Action: jamest beats head into desk nothing but emotional responses to garner social support hell, let's just ban all flights out of Boston that's all the whole thing has turned into that would have prevented this catastrophe maybe I got up on wrong side of bed at least more so than their solutions but it sure seems they are more interested in looking like they're doing something than admitting that real solutions will take time Action: jcater thinks it's time for letters to my rep and letters to editors of local papers the best part of that article: "We must remember throughout that you cannot preserve freedom by eliminating it." -- Metzger, president of Wasabi Systems of New York City dneighbo (dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. howdy welcome to gnu politics howdy gnu politics? we have bomb threat here in our court building everyone evacuated all downtown shut off you read slashdot today? cept for us techies no i hvaent congress is pushing for backdoors in encryption but signs are that now they can get it ToyMan (stuq@c5300-1-ip165.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: [x]chat We'z gotz to pertekt areselvs from dem flight sim'n crypto use'n terrorists! this goes to prove my point that plastic dinnerware should be banned Action: jamest makes note to go home and burn his old MS Flight Sim CD you know what'll be the kicker dneighbo: are the techies immune to bombs? lol, I didn't notice that Action: jcater didn't know that... that's good to know i think its a question of value jcater hey now now that the economy is in a slump what better wait to get rid of the overpaid ones and replace with ones that'll work for min. wage :) dneighbo: did you know you were overpaid? that again depends on whose side you're looking at oh no im not overpaid as the employer why pay that unreasonable $6.25 an hour when you could get by on $5.75 im looking at the side that i have access to HR and Budget nickr (nick@dialup-64.152.164.223.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo: :) oh yeah, you just put in a new pool last year didn't you......hmmmmm rofl nickr (nick@dialup-64.152.164.223.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) left irc: Killed (NickServ (This nick is reserved by another user)) nickr_ (nick@dialup-64.152.164.223.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. the head of HR..."Hey, whose this person on payroll.....Ima Hedofda Neighbors And what are all her checks being direct deposited to a Visa billing account" Nick change: nickr_ -> nickr "Wonder if she's related to derek?" dres__ (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error to dres_[4.18.171.42]: EOF from client nickr (nick@dialup-64.152.164.223.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) left irc: [x]chat Nick change: dres__ -> dres fitzix (barry@dialup-63.208.82.125.Dial1.Stamford1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hello hey dneighbo: Hey derek, what's up? jamest: your on to me Action: dneighbo is going to check if our building is allowed back in what happened? i work for govt we are under major bomb threat at our court building im in admin building next to it we are locked in not allowed to leave parking garage is locked down now hmm... locked in? isn't that dangerous? and court building evacuated not locked in as physically well are cars are physically locked in the garage but we can leave the building now ahhh... but not allowed back in if you leave what state are you in? panic and if you cant get to your car you are pretty much stuck here :) jamest : rofl in arizona az -> maricopa county -> phoenix specifically jamest: heh yeah - I was just in Tucson last month... you're pretty much stuck without a car there's going to be a lot of bomb scares in the next few weeks... hopefully - none of them will be real called wife she is freaking was bad move, but didnt want her to be scared by the tv reports better that you call her than not, though anything going on? no stand still our buliding might be evacuated next wish could just go home but our cars are locked hmm... they're taking their time with it - I wonder what that means bbl reinhard (rm@62.47.44.46) left irc: Those who say it can't be done should never stop those who are actually doing it. joy they ready to detonate something now ?? wow huh did they find that leftover bowl of spaghetti under your desk? rofl serriously im a little freaked they have everyone huddled in middle of room I know.. I just thought you could use some humor sorry that's freaky, I hope that everything is OK I'm most scared that there will be other terrorist groups coming out of the woodwork after this we are on tv now its wierd to know more than the news :) hehe - these days it's a rare thing Action: jamest pictures derek huddled in middle of room with laptop typing in IRC rofl irc is more important than life :) Action: fitzix is away: ummm... stuff :) btw - is thierry ever in here anymore? I haven't seen is a good while ToyMan (stuq@c5300-1-ip165.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (rm@N802P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: fitzix is back (gone 00:09:12) neilt (neilt@sdn-ar-003varestP300.dialsprint.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ hello all howdy looks as though we are being evacuated ick be careful they think it's a real bomb? good luck I'll be hoping for you guys :( If you see any questionable hitchhikers in the garage, DO NOT PICK THEM UP! rofl of course the top floors go first and techies last so ill be here for a bit still dneighbo: do you have apilot training school nearby? I'm telling you derek renounce that extra $0.25 an hour drop back to minimum wage and they'll let you leave nope no pilot training rolf good, because i thought maybe they flunked the test and needed another line of work :) rolf? running outside leaping fragments? rolling on laughing floor it takes a lot of crack smoking but it IS possible musta been a bioweapon the gas has you hearing things bye dneighbo (dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com) left irc: Read error: 666 (Connection reset by Satan) well that signoff message fit perfectly lol um, that's a bad /quit message under the circumstances heh hope he's gonna be OK yeah neilt: may i ask something gnue related? neilt (neilt@sdn-ar-003varestP300.dialsprint.net) left irc: Ping timeout for neilt[sdn-ar-003varestP300.dialsprint.net] think that was a no ;) Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (stuq@c5300-1-ip165.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: [x]chat http://www.cnn.com/POLL/results/1656681.html last I knew we didn't know who did it nothing like diving in head first w/o even checking to see if there's water in the pool chillywilly (danielb@d58.as5.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. lol neilt (neilt@sdn-ar-003varestP291.dialsprint.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ hello again hi neilt reinhard: will you be around on Saturday i am stuck in washington and expect to be working on GNUe neilt: possible it's bad weather here so i will be home probably anything you would like me to look at? neilt: i feel sorry for you yes please look at the code in src/classdef thank you, but many people have it worse than me and I dont feel bad about my own problems and tell me whether it is an improvement against the existing one ok with regard to methods do we need oaf do we need gmodule methods i don't think oaf and actually i don't think gmodule i thought i would strip the unneeded stuff out i believe methods should be written in scripting languages not in compiled languages you can strip oaf anyway think it doesn't even compile imho you should leave gmodule in for the time being so i will keep the python mehtods only gmodule is C methods right yes it's the only thing _really_ working now so until python works we should keep gmodule as a reference so to speak that could be ebenficial for really fast needs ok i will restructure existing gmodule and python ok so we can figure out any minor improvements needed before CW checks in the rewrite good the most important minor improvement would be make it work :) (for python methods) i will attempt to make it so you can have both python and gmodule working at the same time what does not work with python? methods module namespace is broken read: was never implemented so as soon as a class is in a module you can't use methods in that class I am gonna start writing a lib that gas an froms can use to do scripting s/gas/geas because module code gets confused by the ::'s chillywilly: cool, chillywilly: excellent reinhard: i do see a need for compiled methods neilt: maybe i agree not sure what is the bottleneck in performance that need is speed for example when running MRP in most cases it's the data access from the database not the execution speed of the code any word from derek? reinhard: agree for most business methods but compiled methods would give a way to extend GEAS without a lot of overhead and work with native types ok this would not be business rules but for use by internal GEAS classes i am definitively not against it i just would like to see python methods with higher priority you know python is just better than C ;) but if it is a lot of work, its not the most important thing right now neilt: exactly reinhard: 3exactly reinhard: by the way, what was your question from the log ah yes old geas gcdparser has a lot of complicated and non-portable code to explicitely follow symbolic links where it would be possible (afaik) to follow them implicitly the only difference would be that if within the directory structure two symbolic links point to the same directory they are read only once with old code and they are read twice w/ portable implicit following what would you think? reinhard: i dont understand the issue i dont care about following links if it would work better then change it neilt: thanks as far as i am concerned most people will not use links in the gcd tree iirc it was an issue someday i think it was even in TODO chillywilly: wasn't it you who fixed it? fixed what? symbolic links in gcd trees yes you remember who brought up this issue? is it broke? no i am rewriting the code ok (all gcdparser code, not yours specially) have fun :) thanks :) you use BSD extension functions there ummm, I didn't mean to which ones? and i am thinking about a way to do w/ POSIX lstat hrrrrmmmmm well I am not the best system hacker that's for sure readlink what is POSIX equivalent? none well that sucks posix does not define that there must be links afaik ah symlinks aren't even POSIX? reinhard: all i can say is that the way CW did it worked on my mac :) but you should be able to use the filename of the link just like it was the filename of the target so you don't even know it's a link you can but it doesn not resolve the link it gives you it as type link it should not stat would just tell you it was a link but not what t points to iirc i will try I dunno I would need to look at the man pages again glibc docmentation tells otherwise btw i am not a system hacker, too well if you can change it to be more portable that is fine i don't know posix by heart, either me neither I know ppl who do though a lot fo the Hurd ppl do s/fo/of ;) Action: reinhard hugs Appendix B of the GNU C Library Reference Manual :) hehe hey cool g_strconcat receives a NULL terminated list of strings if you forget the NULL at the ed end guess what happens then what? no segfault no error message the application exits w/ a nonzero exit status :) w/o any message :) heh, nice :P that's really helpful or something yeah chillywilly: fwiw: stat() tells it's a directory when it's a symbolic link to a directory thought so plus stat() follows symbolic links within the filename hmm wel I dunno why I used lstat....there msut've been some reason symbolic links are absolutely transparent to the functions that is acutally the reason for symbolic links imho :) yes a vritual shortcut chillywilly: there are some differences though virtual even 1. you could give the _real_ filename of the file in error messages 2. you could make sure that a file is only processed once even if 2 links pointed to the same file but both issues are non-issues imho yes, if you force them to only do things one way I thinkn I might've been checking for some special cases like that ah yes I checked to make sure it was not a link to ./ or ../ otherwise we recirse forever recurse ah well i would say we don't we would just do as long as the filename doesn't exceed the limit ;) let me try these are all the special cases if (g_strcasecmp (classdir, linkbuf) && g_strncasecmp ("./", linkbuf, 2) && g_strncasecmp ("../", linkbuf, 3) && g_strcasecmp (currpath->str, linkbuf)) chillywilly: seems you are correct it loops :) yours does? or that code? my new code that code should not ah ok ok i get a "filename too long" after some minutes :) but i would say it is unfair to call that a bug ;) what function returns that error? er, sets errno appropriately opendir hmmm but it takes pretty long :) are you making a really long filename? my link to . was called this-is-the-longest-gcd-file-name-in-the-world.gcd recursive-lik-with-a-very-long-filename-so-that-the-path-is-getting-long-very-quick ah and it still took like 100 recursions or so :)