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Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) left irc: night reinhard (rm@N802P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. morning hey chillywilly hey chillywilly (danielb@d48.as29.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Ping timeout for chillywilly[d48.as29.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net] neilt (neilt@p226.usnyc3.stsn.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ hello all good morning neilt saw you worked on methods haven't looked at it yet thought i let you fix issues first but if i can help you please let me know yes, you can help, i am brain dead with a compile problem btw neilt all reserved word issues are fixed cool current cvs of new classdef already parses all existing gnue-config w/o errors :) methods.c: In function `initialise_method_handling': methods.c:61: parse error before `configuration' is that your problem? yes it has to be some simpel thing simple status = gmod_init_method_handling(configuration config); try change that to status = gmod_init_method_handling(config); too much copy&paste :) duh yes and working too late since geas relys on a gui i am planning on requiring python to be installed so i am not going to have a use python flag geas relies on a gui? let me say it a better way since python is free and the preferreed language for methods can we make this required? and other types of methods optional? what would we gain from that? easier for me in the short term hehe but its thats not right its ok s/its/if/ are we using USE_UNSTABLE_METHODS in the configuration still ? if it is only for the current methods stuff you can require it that's no problem but for final methods i wouldn't want it neilt: as soon as more than one method driver can be compiled at a time i will make --with-*-methods flags optional ok and by default set the USE_*_METHODS according to what is installed like i did for databases i agree that UNSTABLE is a bad word and should be replaced by PYTHON :) ok reinhard: ok where is the docs for the options to use with configure configure --help i hope we have no other docs your exactly right i could not find any docs because i don't want to change 5 docs when i add an option to configure can you remove this options --enable-oaf=[yes|no] yes or no just a sec ok done removed it from configure, from TODO removed a #ifdef USE_OAF block from geas-server.c and removed a test file ok thanks reinhard: now configure is looking for libpython1.5 and i am using 2.1 neilt: that was so since the start if you did --enable-methods=python i will look at fix i never compiled python methods until now can you change -lpython1.5 to -lpython2.1 for now automake 1.5 supports python natively i will look if we can use that where do i change that i am having to hadd readline dependency to my mac project is that right it also appears to need tcl/tk for geas and python methods is that right dres (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. neilt: it's possible that python depends on readline i should _not_ depend on tcl/tk PYTHON_LIBS="-lpython1.5 -lpthread" /usr/bin/ld: Undefined symbols: _python_init_method_handling _alloc_provider_data _load_python_binding _TclFreeObj _Tcl_AddErrorInfo _Tcl_Alloc _Tcl_CreateCommand _Tcl_CreateFileHandler _Tcl_CreateInterp _Tcl_CreateTimerHandler _Tcl_DeleteCommand _Tcl_DeleteFileHandler _Tcl_DeleteInterp _Tcl_DeleteTimerHandler _Tcl_DoOneEvent _Tcl_Eval _Tcl_EvalFile _Tcl_EvalObjv _Tcl_ExprBoolean _Tcl_ExprDouble _Tcl_ExprLong _Tcl_ExprString _Tcl_FindExecutable _Tcl_Free _Tcl_GetBoolean _Tcl_GetDouble _Tcl_GetInt _Tcl_GetStringResult _Tcl_GetVar _Tcl_GetVar2 _Tcl_GlobalEval _Tcl_Merge yuck _Tcl_NewDoubleObj _Tcl_NewListObj _Tcl_NewLongObj _Tcl_NewStringObj _Tcl_NewUnicodeObj _Tcl_RecordAndEval _Tcl_SetResult _Tcl_SetVar _Tcl_SetVar2 _Tcl_SplitList _Tcl_UnsetVar _Tcl_UnsetVar2 _Tk_GetNumMainWindows _Tcl_Init _Tk_Init _Tk_MainWindow - sorry i did not realize there were so many what do you link when you get those messages? geas-server? geas server after i add python and readline libs you installed python from binary package or compiled yourself? compiled myself what does "nm $(prefix)/lib/libpython2.1.a | grep _Tcl_" give you? uday (uday@host-64-110-96-159.interpacket.net) joined #gnuenterprise. i get a whole bunch of U _Tcl_AddErrorInfo U _Tcl_Alloc U _Tcl_AppInit U _Tcl_CreateCommand U _Tcl_CreateFileHandler U _Tcl_CreateInterp U _Tcl_CreateTimerHandler U _Tcl_DeleteCommand U _Tcl_DeleteFileHandler U _Tcl_DeleteInterp ok your python library depends on Tcl/Tk mine doesn't weird can you check if there is a configure switch when you build python whether to include Tcl/Tk stuff or not I would not like to have geas depend on tcl/tk ok as this would mean geas depends on x currenct docs seem to infer that 2.1 is dependent on tcl/tk bummer wonder what our python fans think about this especially jamest still checking this is a bummer who is _really_ wanting that geas runs without X Action: reinhard still can't believe it that would mean that we double our dependency list if not triple i dont see any options from configure to disable or enable tcl/tk btw i fixed configure.in i will download python 2.1 source to look at it ok, thanks i have installed tcl/tk for the time being so i can get on with it ok it looks like it may just be my installation fink seems to patch the configure file to remove comments from a bunch of tk/tcl stuff so it may be ok who is fink? a wrapper for dpkg tool neilt: from the README: Tk (the user interface component of John Ousterhout's Tcl language) is also usable from Python. Since this requires that you first build and install Tcl/Tk, the Tk interface is not enabled by default when building Python from source. Python supports Tcl/Tk version 8.0 and higher. :) uday (uday@host-64-110-96-159.interpacket.net) left #gnuenterprise (Client Exiting). derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. neilt: how goes the article and when is it due? hello, finishing a rewrite today been really busy and have not heard from them this week actually its been kind of tough to concentrate a lot of people here at the client know someone impacted by the events this week so it has not been a very positive environment plus the companies sales are down 75% yikes yeah its been a lost week for me on friday we were evacuated from work due to bomb threat i heard we were locked in building for about 2.5 hours before they evacuated us no bomb i guess so it was totally shot no bomb :) tuesday of course was a loss of work as well and wed / thurs was just hard to concentrate so now im behind at work big time :( and behind on consulting yep i am wrapping up my work out here and dont expect to be back because of the business climate reinhard: i still get the following error /usr/bin/ld: can't locate file for: -lpython2.1 make[3]: *** [geas-server] Error 1 derek: i have a question if you are here? neilt: what is your python library filename? im leaving is it a quick question? yes reinhard stated: IIRC Obelisk merged with GNU GL in 1999 to become GNUe. Then Projectsanity merged with the already existing GNUe. i stated: Development of GNUe started with project Obelisk in July 1999. Project Obelisk merged with project Sanity in March 2000 to become GNUe. which is correct? reinhard: libpython2.1.a - neilt: could it be that the linker doesn't find the file derek: i think one of the power things about gnue is the form deisgner i.e. that it is not under /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib? reinhard: that is exactly the problem derek: could someone add more info about the designer into the text neilt: maybe you have to add the directory to LD_LIBRARY_PATH or something like that i'm sorry i don't know exactly how you can influence where ld searches for the libraries i did configure with -l pointer to path is that not enough ? ./autogen.sh --with-postgresql --enable-debug --enable-methods=python --libdir=/Volumes/AnagadaII/sw/lib --includedir=/Volumes/AnagadaII/sw/include --libdir=/Volumes/AnagadaII/sw/lib/python2.1/config neilt: no --libdir is where this package should install it's libraries on make install not where the linker should look for the libraries oh no ok how do i tell it to look for lib dir at /Volumes/AnagadaII/sw/lib/python2.1/config the same goes for --includedir btw neilt: this is exactly the question i cannot answer w/o looking up :( it seem that configure would not work until i added these then it started working neilt: can you check that please? that would mean i have a basic misunderstanding about configure hold on, checking now reinhard: it still seems to be including my lib locations how do i make sure i have erased everything i did make clean and rm config.cache should i do something else to make sure i am rebuilding everything did you do autogen.sh or configure? autogen.sh should rebuild everything autogen ok Action: reinhard is checking how to do it correctly you can do LDFLAGS=-L/Volumes/AnagadaII/sw/lib/python2.1/config autogen.sh --etc. or you can set LDFLAGS environment variable somewhere in .profile or what there is for mac osx ok this is btw true for all programs there are environment variables LDFLAGS CFLAGS CPPFLAGS YFLAGS LFLAGS etc. which you all can set to add flags to the respective programs LD = linker C = gcc CPP = preprocessor (-I...) Y = yacc/bison L = (f)lex for LDFLAGS what is the difference between -l and -L if any -lfoo links with libfoo.a or libfoo.so -Lfoo adds directory foo to the search path for files that are linked with -l later on the command line ahh so you will probably never need -l on LDFLAGS jcater (jason@1Cust136.tnt4.memphis3.tn.da.uu.net) joined #gnuenterprise. morning all now i get this error configure: error: Cannot find libpq-fe.h. Please specify the installation path of PostgreSQL neilt: i guess postgres is installed in a non-standard prefix i had two postgres installations let me figure this out the you would have to do --with-postgresql=/Volumes/AnagadaII i removed one ah that was a bad move ;) in the short term yes, not the long term :) reinhard: is seems i did NOT have two installations :( oh crap you right jcater (jason@1Cust136.tnt4.memphis3.tn.da.uu.net) left irc: later done erase directories when you have problems bbl my system is totally hosed, so i dont know if i will get methods compiling again today later all neilt (neilt@p226.usnyc3.stsn.com) left irc: nickr (nick@dialup-209.246.78.187.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. nickr_ (nick@dialup-209.246.90.48.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. nickr (nick@dialup-209.246.78.187.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) left irc: Ping timeout for nickr[dialup-209.246.78.187.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net] Nick change: nickr_ -> nickr wonder if he will be back **** NOTE TO NEILT ******* jamest would be one to ask about dates but way it worked was that obelisk (OBE) and GNU GL both existed (thier start times i do not know) they merged and became GNU Enterprise (i dont know this date either) then in Spring of 2000 Project Sanity merged into GNUe this is the 'current' incarnation of GNUe the reason i say that is about everyone that was part of GNUe pre that merge had fallen away and the project seemed about dead cept for jamest ************************* ToyMan (stuq@c5300-1-ip165.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. anybody home? looking for some newbie postgresql help ToyMan: i can try ahh great I've got the postmaster up and running how do I log in? you have created a database? just the test db that's created on the install im home createuser will create a 'user' hi derek and createdb will create db's generally i do a createuser to get a user account then i actually go into postgres psql psql then do a CREATE DATABASE foo; createuser is from the shell prompt but thats just cause im used to standard sql and not nice createdb function :) ? yip from shell generally its good to do createuser and choose the option to create the db for that user so you can just do psql without specificing a db everytime but certainly not mandatory hmmm - just tried this as root and got psql: FATAL 1: SetUserId: user 'root' is not in 'pg_shadow' you tried what? psql createuser do I need to su to a special user ? yes did i fail to mention that? ;) i think you have to do su -postgres Action: derek is having poor memory on this lemme try... is there a default password for user postgres hmmm that happens during the install? i didnt think so i've tried all of my standard pswrds... postmaster iirc reinhard: use this as a psswrd? no i remember not correctly hmm.. back to the postgres site must be a VERY common newbie question yes it is and im drawing a stupid blank its soemthing really easy though i sure know THAT feeling :) im pretty sure its just su -postgres then create user Action: derek is wondering if you have to do an initdb have you done that yet? I installed this version quite a long time ago... just trying to fire it up and get familiar with the tools I'm heading down to visit my sysadmin on Tues to make a new BSD box with a fresh copy of PostgreSQL on it Action: derek is really embarassed taht he is not remembering this i'm looking thru the postgres docs now iirc thier doc blows pig chunks on this issue Action: ToyMan wonders why they don't make logging in istructions in VERY BIG TYPE at the start of the docs... im thinking you may have to do an initdb Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. nickr (nick@dialup-209.246.90.48.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) left irc: Ping timeout for nickr[dialup-209.246.90.48.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net] ok head in my ass ToyMan: you still here? oh yeah ok do su then type in your root password trying to get docs thru a 28.8 connection sucks then when you have a shell prompt as root do su - postgres done it should not ask for password and should return