[00:04] Last message repeated 1 time(s). cools pics masta anyone home? I'm home, but not alone anyone know how much it costs to get into LWE? Action: mdean shrugs Action: chillywilly csn now put a face to jamest and jcater ;) im home um $0 exhibits are free if you pre register the other stuff is very $$$ unless you work in the gnue booth :) then you get a free pass :) heheh ouch your little ones are heart breakers ;) staroffice takes about a full 60 seconds to startup on a pIII 500 w/ 128mb RAM thats painful yea Star Offce is Java though what did you expect ;) it is pretty nice though Java apps are painful and functional SO != Java you sure? ja I read areview that said it was Java, but what do they know It has support for Java - I guess for the built in browser, but it is not required nope - not Java native app it is still a pig fat resource pig yup - it's huge much smaller than M$ Orifice, tho true dat it does require java iirc but is not fully java chillywilly: originally they were going to write corel office or whatever it is called in all java does not require Java I don't think it requires it does it? You can just have it use the jvm that was going to be frist 'productivity suite' to be in 100% java yea they got half done and it was so slow they canned the project (iirc) SO asks you for a path to your JVM during install, but you don't need it heheh mdean: hmmm when installed it looked for a jvm and bitched when it didnt find one yes - but it is not required so said was going to install sun's i think ack Action: derek thinks its probably just way for sun to get thier jvm installed on linux machines :) cancel!, cancel! chillywilly: i think i did say no hehe it was late when i installed it Action: mdean has JDK1.3.1 installed so it might not have even tried to install it i have a jvm somewhere on here for limewire (yes i know its not free) grrr it is just a gnutela client i really do deserve lashing for it gnutella Action: derek has a real problem with some free software get a Free one especially free software that doesnt install wont install gtk-gnutella works for me or has butt hole maintainers heheh did you see the Ask /. post today? whatever cold you be talkking about i couldnt get a 'free' gnutella to work for me could about collaboration? that wasnt 45 years old my latest frustation is gnucash :( 1.4 worked fine when i wasnt using it :( well gtk-gnutella isn't as old as the page claims i tried to go to 1.6 and yikes no way in hell its working on this machine (rh6.2) so will ahve to wait until i move my laptop to debian or get x to work on my debian box mdean: didnt read article doing so now Action: chillywilly checks it out too funny thing is staroffice is pretty snappy its just starting it up that kills you so if you treat it like an OS and keep it open all time yeah - it's that way in NT too might not be too bad :) like emacs ;)? vim? just make emacs your login shell or someting vim starts up fast emacs isn't as bad as SO it certainly does dru (upmpgj@203.97.82.178) left irc: Read error to dru[203.97.82.178]: EOF from client I'd use xemacs if there was a decent HTML/JavaScript/PHP highlighting mode it would be nice to have that problems here mdean: there is php major mode iirc that is quite nice for emacs Action: derek is sufficiently addicted to emacs i even have my window manager keymappings and such set to emacs like bindings you are hardcore! it is on todo list to set gnue as such as i get really angry when C-x C-c doesnt shut a window :) its habit you should see me swear at notepad at work hehe the TODO will have *configurable* key mappings, right? yes cool i started work on it when was working on gnue full time cause I'm emacs-challenged and jamest and i discussed how to go about this as well as configurable menus and some other things but i didnt get to it it wasnt high priority hehe I just use winblows alt-f4 to close my windows but that idea is cooler and faster btw: the article is interesting, im glad we dont accept ideas or patches can you imagine if dcl did that btw - is there a good doc on getting the various GNUe projects setup into a working environment? how bad would that suck ;) define a. good doc b. working environment c. setup I wish we had this problem of ppl sending patched in patches ;) we have that seriously where? benno and rafter and madlocke and ibm ibm? and others have sent patches out of the blue what did ibm do again? hell our db2 drivers came from someone that we have never talked to by email or by irc or mailing list ah yea just one day in email i got a db2 drivers heh a. gives me enough info, b. I can run the working projects of GNUe, c. installation walkthrough I want to RTFM, but I couldn't find TFM ok FORMS - usage doc gnue/gnuef/doc/techref.lyx - install doc gnue/gnuef/INSTALL, README, FAQ - small samples gnue/gnuef/samples/samplename/README GEAS heheh - usage doc http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~neilt/ (module guide link) - install doc gnue/geas/README, INSTALL internals - gnue/geas/doc/* - other docs gnue/geas/docs (i think) ok - other docs gnue/geas/doc (i think) and irc :) we are working on a unified installer to make things more easy k - so there is no dependency between them? and are starting to compile faq of things 'bump thier head' on no dependencies among them su doh! cept designer requires forms be installed and gnue-common installed gnue-common is required for forms, designer, reports (and soon geas) and forms is required for designer other than that no interdependencies as tools were designed to work together or apart alrighty! danke! biggest pain is of course the other dependencies like python, wxwindows, dbdriver stuff, etc I think I've got python and wx squared away but compared to ximian type products they seem trivial :) lots o' python stuffs hehe and the setup programs are pretty good about notifying you if you are missing things GEAS need glib, uuid from e2fsprogrs dev or on debian uuid-dev, orbit,...uuuh that's all I can think of yeah - I got those on my initial install/configure attempt pain in the arse to find the right RPM in Mandrake apt-cache search is my friend reinhard (rm@N802P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. morning hi chillywilly mdean (mdean@arc10x28.kcnet.com) left irc: Ping timeout for mdean[arc10x28.kcnet.com] hi sup reinhard looking at the photos chillywilly / reinhard you both christians right? first time i see jamest yep well at least for me mind talking in this channel on viewpoints? curious to hear your opinions on how US should react to what has happened Action: derek is preparing mini sermon for tomorrow service you're preaching? and would like to say gnomesword is pretty nice chillywilly: i do that on occassion :) darn i used to be the youth pastor at our old church I wish it would install here hey rich bodo looks cool a few debian apckage are missing is that what you look like reinhard? chillywilly: no long hair and bear? heheh no beard ah http://www.bytewise.at/Team.html now he breaks out the pics the upper one ;) seems to have broken netscape obviously ;) is that your wife then? yep so how did you sucker such a lovely lady into falling for you again? lo lol i will ask her derek: my personal view of this stuff is hey chillywilly you told me reinhard was like 75 or something what gives no I didn't he said neilt was the oldest well you said 'older than dirt' he's a grandpa i figured you meant over 70 ;) no I didn't you are just tryin' to get me into trouble i find it horrible that some muslims do preach in their churches that people should be killed for some reason and i would find it great if christians wouldn't do it i was reading lamentations and jeremiah's thoughts after the destruction of jerusalem they're not true muslims if they believe that afaik hmmmm eeriely similar to present day situations interesting chillywilly: its fundamental islamic that believes that "fundamental" is not the appropriate word for them, imho how about "radicals" or "nut cases" :P derek: what were jeremiah's thought s reinhard: you need pics of the kiddies well in his case he felt the destruction of jersalem was do to disobendience to God chillywilly: they didn't fit under "the team" :P in many ways he felt the people had turned against God but in chapter 3 he specifically says amid the destruction that because of Gods love we are not consumed that Lord is sufficient and that is hope in him it then goes on to say where in lamentations is this? Let him offer his cheek to the one who woudl strike him and psalm 37 says similar things yea based on the trials of David in time of such devestation 37:1 Do not fret2 when wicked men seem to succeed!3 Do not envy evildoers! 37:2 For they will quickly dry up like grass, and wither away like plants.4 37:3 Trust in the Lord and do what is right! Settle in the land and maintain your integrity!5 37:4 Then you will take delight in the Lord,6 and he will answer your prayers.7 37:7 Wait patiently for the Lord!11 Wait confidently12 for him! Do not fret over the apparent success of a sinner,13 a man who carries out wicked schemes! 37:8 Do not be angry and frustrated!14 Do not fret! That only leads to trouble! 37:9 Wicked men15 will be wiped out,16 but those who rely on the Lord are the ones who will possess the land.17 37:10 Evil men will soon disappear;18 some really goood stuff there ;) http://www.netbible.org is a cool site yes that will be good portion of my mini sermon this section :) i think (iirc) this was an address to those in bablyonian as they were seeing those with wicked hearts and ways succeeding thus the dont be 'envious' Action: derek really needs to read his bible more as i shouldnt have to say (iirc) it is sometimes hard for us to feel that jsutice will be served by the lord because we get caught up in this life here on earth derek: Pat Robertson and others say that the US is probably paying for its secular ways the head of the christian coalition I was watching the 700 club that time I told you that just was flipping through the channels and caught it yes my original thought on tuesday was if we dont do 'anything' we will be open for more of this but the more i think about it i wonder is that really any more true than if we do something? and should blood be spilled? i often say im against death penalty as much as am against abortion with the argument being 'why do we kill people to teach people, killing people is wrong?' I am against both too, that you are not god and you don't have th right to say who loves or who dies lives Action: reinhard is happy to read this lately i heard on the news often i see people from families of those on death row being executed and they are so bitter and angry and glad to see the person that killed thier loved one being executed I don't see how more death soves things solves and all i can think is how sad, and i weep for them U.S. is one of countries with most executed death penalties as this 'execution' wont bring back thier loved one and they still are bound by that anger yep, they are consumed by hatred among china, iraq, iran, and afghanistan not sure if you feel well being in that group i had a moment of introspection and had to ask is this any different? will retalation bring back the victims? or will it only create other victims? should we be angry or sorrowful? sorrowful and fearful of the lord if we take vengence anyhow this isnt proper channel for this true so i apologize, just happened to be in the 'word' at the moment nevermind who's gonna stop us ;)? and have been thinking about these things and figured you two may have an opinion so i was curious j/k good topic to talk about on sunday mornings :) i dont think it hurts anythign just dont want to offend anyone not that goat sex couldnt be seen as offensive :) rofl lol my mind is really slipping i know that in NT it states if two or more are in agreement it shall be done but i cant recall the verse either of you know http://www.biblegateway.com btw: reinhard it would be really cool to see a bible in german or any language for that matter other than english :) woops http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible? lets you search for stuff then again sword does too I think derek: i remember something like "where 2 or 3 are together in my name, i am among them" not sure if you meant that oh I know reinhard: yes that would be it do you know book / chapter? it si something like whenever 2 or more gather in the field I will be with them my sunday school teacher knows he used that in class a while back I'll ask him derek: i think it's one of the evangeliums (sp?) and it should be very late where the twelve are sad because jesus tells he has to go iirc yep ah found it host to be on eof the gospels matthew 18:20 yes thoought it was in matthew but wasnt sure there ya go Where two or three are gathered together in my name - That is, to worship me. I am in the midst of them - By my Spirit, to quicken their prayers, guide their counsels, and answer their petitions. Action: derek is going to call for people to pray as the band leads worship for the victims, family of victims, rescue workers, those that are to rebuild, our leaders, those that may be called to war and most of all for those misguided souls that did this derek: matthew 18:21 and 18:22 reinhard: that only applies to non americans that arent angry you see Action: derek is suprised america hasnt come out with the 'politically correct' bible actually i think there is one that converts the he to she or something so i might stand corrected you know whats really funny how God talks to people i was pretty angry about this my daughter came home from school (she is six) yep, his message always gets through and it has a way of just smacking right upside the head and said some kids at school said kids in palestine were cheering about the buildings in new york she asked me why i went on to explain about muslims jews the angst over there and how they see things differently she understood most of it but what a jew and a muslim were i told her that jewish people didnt believe that Christ was son of God and they thought real messiah had not yet come and that muslims believed in a book other than the bible Koran and that they believed in Mohammed etc what got me is we then prayed about things her prayer never once mentioned america the people that were suffering the victims her prayer was simply please help the jewish people and the muslim people know jesus. let them know you love them anyways ;) boy made me feel like a self righteous pompous ass WWJD there is something to be said in 'have the heart of a child' derek: you know the Koran is very similar to the bible anyway? reinhard: yes specifically i think the penatauch yep or first 5 books it's the two sons of abraham correct the muslims are the descendants of ismail, his first son and the jews are the descendants of isaak, his second one