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<dnMeeting> jbailey: daniel is not doing debs but is interested in doing them
<dnMeeting> at one time Mr_You did in fact write some debs no one tested
<dnMeeting> and on another note some gentleman from debian we dont know has not only written debs for gnue
<dnMeeting> but they are in SID
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<dnZzzzz> hello reinhard
<dnZzzzz> good nite reinhard
<reinhard> :)
<jbailey> dnZzzzz: Thanks.
<perlh> hi reinhard
<perlh> well i have sent the mail to derek 
<perlh> but no reply yet :(
<jbailey> Ack.  Bad gnue developers, using libraries that you don't test for in configure. =)
<jbailey> in case you guys are bored and are reading the middle of the night dialog, you really ought to add a test for zlib in there.
<reinhard> jbailey: which part of gnue you refer to?
<jbailey> reinhard: geas
<jbailey> configure also doesn't fail is bison isn't present.
<jbailey> (although it correctly fails if flex isn't present)
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<reinhard> jbailey: geas doesn
<reinhard> 't use zlib
<reinhard> python uses it sometimes (probably depending on the configuration)
<reinhard> an i know that we must look in configuration which libraries python depends on
<reinhard> i will fix it
<reinhard> wrt bison that is a standard autoconf macro
<reinhard> not sure why they did it that way
<jbailey> I don't have my backscroll handy, but I did get a failed compile when I didn't have zlib in..
<reinhard> yeah in linking probably
<reinhard> as i said python can depend on zlib
<jbailey> Cool.
<reinhard> and we need to figure out that in configure
<reinhard> btw configure shouldn't fail on missing flex
<reinhard> it should only replace it with "missing flex"
<jbailey> That depends what you want to happen on a CVS build, I guess.
<jbailey> That's where I've pulled the source from for now.
<perlh> hello guys
<perlh> i like to contribute for crm and hr packages
<perlh> so i mailed derek i have not yet got any replies :(
<reinhard> perlh: i will talk to him
<reinhard> sorry must leave now
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<perlh> thanx a lot rm-away
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<neilt> morning all
<perlh> hi neilt
<perlh> good morning
<perlh> as u told neilt i have sent my proposal to contribute for 
<perlh> crm and hr
<perlh> but i have not got any reply :(
<neilt> gnue email has been acting wierd this weekend
<neilt> and its normal for many to be away for the weekend
<neilt> did you send it to info@gnue.org
<perlh> no
<perlh> only to 
<perlh> derek and fsf-regis or some thing
<perlh> @gnue.org
<perlh> neilt ?
<perlh> r u there
<perlh> there other day jamest sned me no
<perlh> i just mailed to the mail ids in that
<perlh> neilt r u there?
<perlh> neilt ?
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<jbailey> Anyone home?
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<perlh> hi jamest
<perlh> hi jbailey
<jbailey> heya perlh
<jbailey> , neilt
<neilt> hello all
<neilt> perlh: i am catching up now
<perlh> ok cool
<neilt> derek email you the fsf thing
<neilt> you sent email to the instructions in derek's email
<neilt> now what will happen
<neilt> is that fsf foundation will send you by way of post office a form to sign
<neilt> and return
<perlh> oh ok cool
<perlh> will it be smail mail or ?
<jbailey> mMmmmm..  sweet sweeet assignment forms.
<neilt> yes snail mail
<neilt> may take a couple of weeks
<perlh> oh cool
<neilt> were are you located
<ajmitch> neilt: depends, there is an FSF branch in india
<jamest> neilt: did anyone find that segfault I mentioned on Friday?
<neilt> ajmitch: cool i did not know that
<neilt> jamest: nope
<ajmitch> neilt: it got setup in July
<jamest> crud
<neilt> jamest: did you send email we talked about on friday
<perlh> yeah i am in india
<perlh> neilt
<jamest> to perlh?
<jamest> yes
<perlh> have i been approved to do the crm and hr 
<neilt> jamest: can you send again then
<neilt> jamest: no the GEAS email
<jamest> oh crap
<neilt> perlh: you can start work
<jbailey> jamest: Is there any equivalent of --prefix= for setup.py?
<perlh> thanx 
<neilt> perlh: we can use your work until assigment is received
Action: perlh thanx a all how have helped in getting into this
<neilt> s/can/can't/
<perlh> oh no :(
<perlh> when will i get the assignment neilt
<neilt> perlh: but thats not a problem
<jamest> jbailey: i believe so, but I don't recall it
<neilt> its just that we can formally post your work for a couple of weeks
<perlh> oh ok 
<perlh> cool so like will i also get a perlh@gnue.org id and account 
<perlh> hip hip hurray
<jamest> i sent it out, but only to derek ?????
<neilt> perlh: that depends on how you treat the goats
<jbailey> perlh: What a dredded thought:  Yet *another* email address. =)
<perlh> sorry jbailey
<perlh> i thought i can also tell my frineds :(
<jamest> neilt: sent
<neilt> perlh: what we would like to see is your contributions
<perlh> neilt sent what ?
<jamest> i need to take wife to work 
<neilt> before you get account
<jamest> bbs
<perlh> yeah sure neilt
<perlh> neilt Unread Messages (0)  Help 
<perlh>  
<perlh> No Unread Messages  
<perlh>  
<perlh> no mails from derek :(
<neilt> perlh: sorry i was talking to jamest about another email not to you
<neilt> perlh: you should have received this email on friday
<neilt> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:16:11 -0500
<neilt> From: James Thompson <jamest@gnuenterprise.org>
<neilt> To: perlhin2k@yahoo.com
<neilt> Cc: neilt@gnue.org, derek@gnue.org
<neilt> Subject: [perlh] GNU Enterprise Assignment
<neilt> -
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<aravindn> neilt r u thee?
<neilt> yes
<aravindn> neilt i have not got any mails from derek :(\
<neilt> you should have received this on fri
<neilt> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:16:11 -0500
<neilt> From: James Thompson <jamest@gnuenterprise.org>
<neilt> To: perlhin2k@yahoo.com
<neilt> Cc: neilt@gnue.org, derek@gnue.org
<neilt> Subject: [perlh] GNU Enterprise Assignment
<neilt> -
<aravindn> yeah this one i got neilt
<aravindn> for this i replied back neilt
<neilt> as long as you followed the instructions you are oj
<aravindn> for that i have not got any replies
<neilt> ok
<neilt> you wont get a reply
<neilt> you will get an document in the mail
<aravindn> oh ok neilt thanx
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<jbailey> chillywilly: wb =)
<chillywilly> howdy
<aravindn> hi chillywilly
<chillywilly> ello
<aravindn> hi chillywilly
<aravindn> i have mailed the fsf as directed by neilt
<chillywilly> for copyright assignment papers?
<aravindn> yeha chillywilly
<chillywilly> well masta could push it through faster for you
<jbailey> copyright assignment forms come fairly quickly.  
<jbailey> I think they do them in batches, though.
<chillywilly> well, I dunno I just know he hooked me up
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<perlh> oph cool
<jbailey> chillywilly: Are you guys going to move bayonne into the gnue cvs?
<perlh> oh cool
<chillywilly> jbailey: I dunno
<chillywilly> jbailey: probably not....well nothing it intergrated anyway
<chillywilly> we have no telephony support in GNUe at this time
<chillywilly> probably wouldn't worry about it until then
<perlh> jbailey r u into bayonee
<chillywilly> I think Bayonne is gonna become GNU Comm soon
<perlh> coz like i have a couple of doubts in them
<chillywilly> perlh: there's no Bayonne hackers here
<jbailey> perlh: No.  I've been interested for sometime, because I do alot of telephony and comms stuff.
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<perlh> oh cool jbailey
<perlh> so like can we buid voicexml based apps with bayonee
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<jbailey> So far I don't understand voicexml, but I haven't spent alot of time with it.
<perlh> :)
<perlh> well are u serious jbailey
<jbailey> I'm sorry, that sentence doesn't seem to make any sence.
<jbailey> err.. sense.
<perlh> ok forget it jbailey
<chillywilly> jbailey: how about send a mail to gnue-discuss and ask about packages and the others can then respond to you
<jbailey> chillywilly: Okay.
<chillywilly> jbailey: I am not sure what the deal is
<perlh> cool
<chillywilly> "I must play their game, of not seeing I see the game." --R .D. Laing
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<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> hi Mussi
<Mussi> hi
<perlh> hi guys a small bet to all of u 
<perlh> sorry 
<perlh> osrr
<perlh> hi Mussi
<Mussi> hi
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<chillywilly>         I hope they aren't coming to grips with their colossally bad
<chillywilly>         PR.  They've really helped out the Free Dmitry crowd by behaving
<chillywilly>         like the perfect stereotypical evil greedy bastards.
<chillywilly>                                                         Xcott
<jbailey> source?
<chillywilly> free-sklyarov list
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<jbailey> I was hoping it was a news article.
<chillywilly> no, just a mail fomr someone on the list
<jbailey> Gotta run, ttul!
<chillywilly> cya
<chillywilly> take it easy
<jbailey> always. =)
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<neilt> perlh: that we cant post your work on web site or other wise use it until we receive assigment
<perlh> oh cool
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<jcater> howdy y'all
<neilt> welcome
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<chillywilly> hey y'all
<chillywilly> wassup y'all
<jcater> are you mocking me?
<chillywilly> whatch'all doin'
<chillywilly> yea, whatcha gonna do about it eh?
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<chillywilly> man judge Judy is a beotch
<jcater> yes she is
<jcater> kinda depressing that she was a real judge
<jcater> doesn't give me a warm feeling about our judicial system
<chillywilly> I think she's fair
<jcater> that and derek works for a court
<chillywilly> just a crabby old woman
<jcater> that makes me wonder too
<chillywilly> ok, geeE
<chillywilly> geeze even
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<jcater> well, golly gee
<chillywilly> why do you pick on da masta so?
<chillywilly> masta is a good guy
<jcater> hehe... cause I can
<chillywilly> says who?
<jcater> and he's smart enough to know I'm joking :)
<chillywilly> I know you are kidding
<jcater> now, jamest, I wouldn't pick on
<jcater> because he might not pick up on it
<jcater> and drive down from Kansas and kick my butt
<jcater> j/k
<chillywilly> jamest should just be slapped around
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<chillywilly> uh oh
<jcater> daw! we woke him
<derek> jcater: had to wake up to file that law suit on you @ the federal court house
<chillywilly> hehe
<derek> something to effect of 'smacking developers with seafood w/o a license'
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<chillywilly> I don't EVER do that masta
<jcater> oh, did you drop the "handling foodstuff for public use without a proper permit"?
<derek> ;)
<chillywilly> he can tack that on
<chillywilly> I am sure of it ;)
<chillywilly> man, I got up too early
<chillywilly> 7am is toooooooo early
<jcater> what email clients do you guys use w/your windows clients?
<jcater> (and I know you have some windows clients)
<chillywilly> uh, no
<chillywilly> just use mutt
<chillywilly> damnit
<rm-away> jcater: yeah i have, but i don't use email on them ;)
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<reinhard> woah
<reinhard> i was away till noon
<reinhard> and it took me from 1:00 p.m. to 4:40 p.m. to call back those who called me while i was away
<chillywilly> geeze
<jcater> chillywilly: btw, I've been linux-only at home for a month
<jcater> and am well on my way at work
<reinhard> and those who called me while i called back the others
<reinhard> and so on
<chillywilly> jcater: :)
<reinhard> recursively ;)
<jcater> (if only wine would run QuarkXPress and Freehand)
<chillywilly> jcater: you should write Free replacements for those
<chillywilly> ;)
<jcater> I thought about writing something in python :)
<chillywilly> aaah
dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) got lost in the net-split.
<jcater> on the positive side, it'd be easily extensible
<chillywilly> pythonXpress
<chillywilly> :P
<jcater> hell, it could be like emacs
<jcater> Build a basic engine
<chillywilly> emacs rox
<chillywilly> then build plugins right?
<chillywilly> what is Freehand?
<chillywilly> free hand editor?
<chillywilly> er, graphics thingy
<jcater> vector graphics
<chillywilly> you never tried sodipodi?
<chillywilly> I dunno how faralong it is
<jcater> never heard of it
<chillywilly> supposed to be a vecotr graphics program for gnome
<jcater> actually, I'm rather impressed w/KOffice
<chillywilly> of course you would be, your a kde weenie
<jcater> they are not production grade
<chillywilly> :P
<jcater> but usable none-the-less
<chillywilly> a python and kde weenie ;)
<chillywilly> anywho...
<jcater> what's great is I can extend kde w/python
<chillywilly> only messing witcha
<jcater> kde has an xml-rpc engine w/bindings for python
<chillywilly> yup
<jcater> in all honesty, koffice is rather impressive
<chillywilly> gnome has python bindings too
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<jcater> but I'm not a gnome/python junkie
<derek> and hopes to checkout openoffice soon
<jcater> staroffice runs SO slowly even on my kick ass machine
<chillywilly> no, you;re a kde weenie
<chillywilly> we have established this
<derek> jamest where are you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<chillywilly> derek: where are you!!!!!!!!!!!!
<jcater> hmmm.... the cheerleading camp must've started early this year
<chillywilly> oh, you're right there...heh
<chillywilly> jcater: haha
<derek> jcater: roflmao
<derek> im at home but leaving for work in a few minutes
<chillywilly> derek: you bum
<chillywilly> derek: why aren't you there right now?
<chillywilly> oh wait
<chillywilly> what time is it there?
<chillywilly> 8am?
<chillywilly> yep
<derek> yip 8am
<derek> i get to work at 9am usually
<chillywilly> uhuh
<chillywilly> so id you spend all yesterday with RMS?
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<chillywilly> s/id/did
<derek> chillywilly: i spent long enough with him :)
<chillywilly> well didn't you say you were gonna spedn the day with him after church?
<neilt> reinhard: did you get me email about src/classdefs
<derek> yes i did
<derek> as stated i spent long enough with him
<derek> :)
<chillywilly> rofl
<chillywilly> I feel sorry for RMS
<chillywilly> actually
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<derek> chillywilly: i hope that some day you get to spend a day with him
<reinhard> neilt: no, i don't think so (?)
<derek> bring plenty of trout ;)
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<neilt> reinhard: you did not receive it or did not look at it
<reinhard> i can't remember receiving a mail from you
<reinhard> except for about a dozen commit mails
<neilt> reinhard: :) just sent again
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<reinhard> neilt: still don't get it
<neilt> reinhard: ?
<reinhard> i guess reinhard@gnue.org doesn't work at the moment
<reinhard> oh
<chillywilly> geeze
<neilt> hmmmm
<reinhard> it == the mail
<neilt> i did not get back all of my commit emails either
<neilt> yesterday
<neilt> whats you other email
<reinhard> reinhard@gnue.org does definitively not work
<reinhard> reinhard@bytewise.at
<reinhard> is one of them 
<jamest> hmmm
<jamest> i need to move mail off of goats
<jamest> as the only person that can admin that box is jade
<chillywilly> ya, hy don't you move mail off of goats or something
<chillywilly> :P
<chillywilly> how's it going old man?
<jamest> reinhard: did you see my postings on Sat about where the segfault was occursing
<jamest> it's going poorly, i need to study but had to run into work
<chillywilly> :(
<neilt> reinhard: ok its sent
Action: chillywilly notices jamest acknowledege that he is old without a fight
<neilt> jamest: it appers that reinhards gnue email is not working?
<neilt> i have also been having problems
<reinhard> neilt: got it
<reinhard> i agree
<reinhard> that we need something like a "utils" lib
<reinhard> where such stuff goes into
<reinhard> specifically on the directory traversing code
<reinhard> i'm not sure what is better
<reinhard> to read the directories and create a list of filenames
<reinhard> and in a second step iterate through the filenames and do soemthing with the files
<reinhard> or
<reinhard> to do this "something" just while iterating through the directory
<neilt> im am for simple
<neilt> if we do something while going thru the dir
<neilt> then we have to implement a do general function
<neilt> or a call back
<jamest> i can't fix mail at gnue.org
<jamest> that's on goats
<neilt> since i dont know what the args might need to be
<neilt> i would just rather get a list of file names back
<neilt> but its up to you
<neilt> jamest: i thought you migrated mail to ash
<reinhard> neilt: i will decide such stuff when i migrate main geas from odl_* to geas_cd_*
<jamest> no
<neilt> jamest: :(
<jamest> but I will
<neilt> reinhard: ok
<reinhard> neilt: i will see then which odl_* calls remain and have no brother in geas_cd
<jamest> i wanted to let the new ip address work thru dns
<jamest> hopefully this weekend the entire gnue.org domain will shift to ash
<reinhard> my golden rule is never decide something before you have to
<neilt> jamest: maybe that is the problem
<reinhard> :)
<jamest> ?
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<neilt> jamest: not sure what you meant be letting ip address work thry dns
<neilt> but i am not receiving any email to neilt@gnue.org
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<neilt> if you sent me the doc we talked about wrt geas i did not receive it
<jamest> i sent it
<jamest> :(
<jamest> i mean that the hosting site had me change IP addresses on ash
<neilt> friday 6 pm was the last time i received any email to neilt@gnue.org
<jamest> and I'd rather have only one change at a time 
<jamest> :(
<jamest> is gnue.org down?
<jamest> (that's still goats)
<neilt> how do we tell
<reinhard> at least it answers pings
<jamest> I'm checking
<jamest> hmmm
<jamest> its up
<neilt> goats.gnue.org is up
<neilt> list archives are up
<neilt> where are the archives for the commit list?
<jamest> that list is controlled by the fsf
<jamest> isn't this a mess :)
<chillywilly> :(
<reinhard> neilt: http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/commit-gnue/
<neilt> reinhard: thanks
<chillywilly> hey guys, I saw some coola rticl saying how CORBA and SOAP can actually be complimentary
<chillywilly> article
<chillywilly> lemme dig it up
<neilt> something must be going on
<chillywilly> http://www.cuj.com/experts/1910/vinoski.htm
<neilt> i only received 6 of 9 commit emails
<neilt> and i did not receive the commit emails reinhdard did today
<chillywilly> I just got 2 from reinhard
<chillywilly> it is actually SOAP and IIOP that compete or do similar things
<chillywilly> some orbs do soap
<chillywilly> this is a good page: http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~schmidt/report-doc.html
<neilt> reinhard: you still here
<chillywilly> weld trout
<chillywilly> er
<chillywilly> weild trout
<chillywilly> or is it wield
<chillywilly> bah
<chillywilly> i before e excpt after c or when it sounds like "a"
<chillywilly> must be wield then
<reinhard> neilt: here
<neilt> we have a major problem in geas that needs to be fixed
<neilt> before jamest can debug drivers
<reinhard> neilt: fwiw, i received your mail to reinhard@gnue.org
<reinhard> neilt: shoot
<neilt> the query returns endswith when startswith is specified
<neilt> also lessthan and greater than dont work, but i am not sure if it is the same problem
<reinhard> can you give me in a nutshell what endswith and startswith is?
<neilt> in the query you can specify that the conditions is greater than, less than, start with, ends with etc
<reinhard> ok got it
<reinhard> thanks
<neilt> it could be that I just dont understand the reference 
<neilt> because they are backwards
<neilt> naaw
<neilt> something must be wrong i tried to look at the code but became real confused
<neilt> reinhard: if you run my neil_test_methods.py script it will plainly show the problem now
<neilt> plus it has the SQL to query the DB for the results outside of GEAS
<reinhard> man this code is like turning your right arm behind your back
<reinhard> and over your left shoulder
<reinhard> and around your neck
<neilt> :)
<reinhard> up to your face
<reinhard> to scratch your nose
<chillywilly> lol
<chillywilly> reinhard: what code?
<reinhard> don't aks
<reinhard> ask
<chillywilly> too late
<chillywilly> I already did
<chillywilly> :P
<reinhard> the answer would be more general than you would want to hear
<chillywilly> anyone know what the damn geneva convention is?
<reinhard> yeah
<chillywilly> what is it?
<neilt> chillywilly: its the geas server to server tunnel code
<chillywilly> eh?
<reinhard> it's about how poeple that run away from a country are to be treated
<neilt> yeah
<reinhard> (sorry didn't find the better word)
<neilt> we tunnel over tcp/ip 
<chillywilly> uh, no
<neilt> :)
<chillywilly> we use IIOP
<chillywilly> Internet Inter-Orb Protocol :P
<neilt> so you were born at night, just not last night
<neilt> :)
<chillywilly> what are you smoking?
<reinhard> neilt: how does that look:
<reinhard>             case q_startswith:
<reinhard>               g_string_append (buf, " LIKE ");
<reinhard>               temp = g_strdup_printf ("%s%", c->value);
<reinhard>               quoted = oql_quote_value (temp, db);
<reinhard>               g_free (temp);
<reinhard>               break;
<reinhard>             case q_endswith:
<reinhard>               g_string_append (buf, " LIKE ");
<reinhard>               temp = g_strdup_printf ("%s%", c->value);
<reinhard>               quoted = oql_quote_value (temp, db);
<reinhard>               g_free (temp);
<reinhard>               break;
<reinhard> --
<reinhard> especially: do you see the difference betwee startswith and endswith?
<reinhard> (fwiw: i don't)
<reinhard> :)
<chillywilly> well I am going off line to download something on this winblows box so I can print a ps file on this shitty printer using ghostscript for winblows
<neilt> so when i use startswith in a quest i have to use "M%" and not must "M"
<neilt> s/quest/querry/
<chillywilly> bbl
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<neilt> s/must/just/
<reinhard> neilt: no
<reinhard> neilt: it is a bug appearently
<reinhard> committed
<neilt> but try to find the mapping between GEAS.startswith and q_startswith
<reinhard> can't test right now, kids are coming home
<reinhard> bbl in 2 hours
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<dneighbo> jamest, where art thou?
<dneighbo> http://www.gnutellanews.com/article.html?id=5747
<dneighbo> chillywilly now you cant bug me for using limewire :)
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<reinhard> neilt: i saw i was too quick
<reinhard> and did not fix everything
<reinhard> does it work now?
<neilt> yes
<reinhard> btw the mapping between GEAS.startswith and q_startswith works something like
<neilt> and i found a bug in my test code
<neilt> thanks
<reinhard> query.c creates a temporary table geas::searchcriteria
<reinhard> and writes a value of 5 in the field "value" of startswith
<reinhard> and connection.c reads that table again
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<reinhard> and sets some variable to q_startsiwth if the field "value" is 5
<reinhard> isn't that totally straightforward?
<neilt> no
<neilt> that is crap
<reinhard> neilt: i was just kidding of course
<neilt> IMHO
<neilt> :)
<reinhard> it is _not_ straightforward
<neilt> but at least it works now
<reinhard> didn't you hear the sound of irony in my voice?
<reinhard> ah no sorry this is irc i forget ;)
<neilt> yes
<neilt> i did
<neilt> but i just wanted to be clear to the log
<reinhard> ah ok
<reinhard> :)
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<neilt> reinhard: sometime can you run neil_methods_test.py and email me the results
<Mr_You> damn roommate turned A/C to 74 damn freak
<Mr_You> 74 feels more like 68/69 inside here
<Mr_You> I can't sleep when its that cold
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<reinhard> chillywilly: you seem to know many people in the free software world
<reinhard> care to do me some favour?
<chillywilly> uh?
<chillywilly> how do you figure that?
<chillywilly> I talk to a lot of ppl on here
<chillywilly> derek has the most connections though
<chillywilly> ;)
<reinhard> we have 2 "bugs" in flex
<chillywilly> I don't know those guys
<reinhard> in the way that gcc -W issues warnings for flex generated code
<reinhard> you think you could find out who maintains flex?
<reinhard> i tried but i found nothing
<chillywilly> ummm, ok
<reinhard> not even an email address
<reinhard> it almost seems like flex wasn't even touched for some years
<reinhard> thanks
<chillywilly> ok
<reinhard> neilt: the results of neil_methods_text.py are
<reinhard> --
<reinhard> Traceback (innermost last):
<reinhard>   File "./neil_methods_test.py", line 15, in ?
<reinhard>     print time.asctime(time.gmtime()), "UTC"
<reinhard> TypeError: function requires at least one argument
<reinhard> --
<chillywilly> I know who the debian maintainer is
<chillywilly> This package was first put together by Robert Leslie <rob@mars.org>.
<chillywilly> It is currently maintained by Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@debian.org>,
<chillywilly> who took over from Santiago Vila <sanvila@debian.org>,
<chillywilly> and it is built from sources obtained from:
<reinhard> neilt: warning: i am using python 1.5.2
<chillywilly> maybe flex is orphaned on the GNU end
<reinhard> flex was never a gnu project
<reinhard> it's not even gpl
<reinhard> surprised, what?
<chillywilly> it is GNU
<chillywilly> his is the Debian GNU/Linux prepackaged version of flex, the GNU lexical
<chillywilly> analyzer generator.
<chillywilly> This
<chillywilly> and it is built from sources obtained from:
<chillywilly> ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/non-gnu/flex/flex-2.5.4a.tar.gz
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<reinhard> you see the non-gnu in that path?
<chillywilly> oops
<chillywilly> you're right
<reinhard> it's like TeX
<reinhard> it was not a gnu project, but it is a part of the GNU system :)
<chillywilly> I don't think it was touched last in 1996
<chillywilly> er
<chillywilly> I think
<chillywilly> s/don't///
<dtm> hi guys
<chillywilly> does bison do the same thing?
<reinhard> bison is a gnu project
<chillywilly> I know
<reinhard> and was even partly written by rms iirc
<chillywilly> that's why I am asking
<chillywilly> yep
<chillywilly> http://www.gnu.org/directory/bison.html
<reinhard> you mean for the warnings?
<reinhard> bison issues warnings for -Wsign-compare
<reinhard> i simply turned that off
<reinhard> but it should probably fixed, too
<chillywilly> do we use bison, flex, or both?
<reinhard> both
<chillywilly> why both?
<reinhard> you nearly can't use one without the other
<reinhard> they do different things
<chillywilly> don't they do the same things? or not?
<reinhard> no
<reinhard> flex read an input stream (say a file) and cuts it into pieces (tokens) according to rules
<reinhard> for example
<reinhard> everything that is enclosed in "" is a string
<reinhard> everything beginning with a digit etc. is a number
<chillywilly> yea
<chillywilly> I know
<reinhard> then bison takes these tokens
<chillywilly> I used flex before to parse a config file
<chillywilly> a long time ago
<reinhard> and puts them into relation
<chillywilly> isn't there a term for that?
<chillywilly> for what bison does
<reinhard> like when a token CLASS is followed by a token { then this is the header of a class definition
<reinhard> it defines a grammar
<reinhard> it parses
<reinhard> lex actually scans
<reinhard> not parses
<reinhard> bison parses
<chillywilly> ok
<neilt> have you tried this
<neilt> In general, each GNU software package ought to have a bug-reporting list with the canonical name bug-name@gnu.org, plus whatever other aliases may be useful. Some packages share the list bug-gnu-utils@gnu.org but we now encourage packages to set up their own individual lists.
<chillywilly> liek bug-hurd@gnu.org
<chillywilly> ;)
<reinhard> neilt: the problem is that flex is not a gnu package
<reinhard> many gnu packages _use_ flex, but flex was written totally outside of gnu
<chillywilly> I would contact the debian dveloper
<chillywilly> he should know more
<reinhard> chillywilly: could you do that for me?
<chillywilly> sure
<neilt> ok its Copyright (C) 1990 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
<chillywilly> ok, an the thing you want addressed is that the code generated issues warnings?
<reinhard> yep
<chillywilly> neilt: yea, it is BSD licensed
<reinhard> under certan circumstances of course
<chillywilly> reinhard: well when you turn on the warning flags right?
<neilt> the manual says
<neilt> Send comments to `vern@ee.lbl.gov'.
<chillywilly> hmmm
<reinhard> chillywilly: with -W
<chillywilly> ern Paxson, with the help of many ideas and much inspiration from
<chillywilly> Van Jacobson.  Original version by Jef Poskanzer.  The fast table
<chillywilly> representation is a partial implementation of a design done by Van
<chillywilly> Jacobson.  The implementation was done by Kevin Gong and Vern Paxson.
<chillywilly> er Vern
<neilt> vern is the last author
<chillywilly> yea
<chillywilly>  Send comments to `vern@ee.lbl.gov'.
<chillywilly> probabbly that guy right?
<neilt> reinhard: so i guess in our finest fashion its RTFM
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<chillywilly> ans went to the AUTHORS sectiom
<chillywilly> section
<reinhard> ok
<reinhard> i have printed manual of flex
<reinhard> it does not have authors section in there
<reinhard> thanks anyway
<chillywilly> er?
<chillywilly> no authors section?
<chillywilly> I can email that vern guy if you want or you can try doesn't matter to me
<reinhard> "info flex" seems to issue something much like a manpage
<chillywilly> yes
<reinhard> chillywilly: i will
<reinhard> thanks for finding out
<chillywilly> sure
<chillywilly> no prob
<chillywilly> neilt helped too ;)
<chillywilly> This work was primarily done when I was with the Real Time Systems
<chillywilly> Group at the Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory in Berkeley, CA.  Many thanks
<chillywilly> to all there for the support I received.
<chillywilly> guess that's why it talks about Berkley
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<neilt> reinhard: the original author of flex is at http://www.aciri.org/vern/
<reinhard> neilt: thanks
<reinhard> neilt: fwiw, meanwhile i got the second copy of your mail to reinhard@gnue.org
<neilt> info on the last release is at: http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/358/1993/12/0/
<neilt> which is the GNU gcc info email list
<neilt> FROM: Vern Paxson
<neilt> DATE: 08/11/2000 11:38:17
<neilt> SUBJECT: RE:  Does the FSF maintain Flex?
<neilt>  
<neilt> > I guess my first question is whether the FSF is maintaining flex?  Are are 
<neilt> > you the right people to be talking to about submitting patches?
<neilt> FSF doesn`t maintain flex, though they distribute it.  I`m the nominal
<neilt> maintainer, though haven`t managed to do any actual maintenance in a long
<neilt> while.  I recently recruited Dick King <<EMAIL: PROTECTED>> to take over as
<neilt> flex maintainer, though I haven`t yet managed to give him the source tree
<neilt> (sigh).  RSN.
<neilt> > Ob technical babble:
<neilt> > > The C++ interface for Flex was written some time ago.  I have two problems 
<neilt> > with it.
<neilt> Yep, it would be nice to have the interface redone in a more coherent
<neilt> fashion.  Integrating this will be Dick`s call.
<neilt> 		Vern
<neilt> 		
<chillywilly> where's that mail from?
<chillywilly> oh nevermind
<chillywilly> you got that from geocrawler?
<neilt> http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/help-flex/
<chillywilly> ooooh
<chillywilly> wel it is obvious no one is actively maintaining it
<chillywilly> ;)
<neilt> the current maintainer is at: http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/help-flex/2001-June/000200.html
<chillywilly> k
<neilt> and it is: wlestes%40uncg.edu
<chillywilly>  wlestes@uncg.edu even
<chillywilly> :P
<Mr_You> who is that?
<Mr_You> uncg is right down the road
<Mr_You> block more like it
<chillywilly>  the flex maintainer
<Mr_You> want me to go beat his door down? ;-)
<chillywilly> yea :P
<Mr_You> thats kinda surprising tho, uncg isn't known for programming so much.. I hated my class
<chillywilly> we just wanna complain that the code it generates has warnings
<Mr_You> "Hi, I'm here to deliver the following complaints personally: "
<Mr_You> "Thank you for your time, goodbye."
<reinhard> yeah now that we've spent a total of like a hour to find the right address of our complaints...
<Mr_You> as security escorts me out
<reinhard> we can go back to work ;)
<reinhard> Mr_You: lol
<chillywilly> bah
<chillywilly> I tried to open a ext2 floppy on winblows
<chillywilly> didn't work :P
<Mr_You> why you need ext2 floppy?  I use msdos
<dtm> hi again guys
<chillywilly> I wasn't thinking and I did mke2fs on the floppy
<chillywilly> then put some fles on there
<chillywilly> files
<dtm> i dont like thinking, myself.
<dtm> does me no good.
<chillywilly> heh
<dtm> so HI DAN
<chillywilly> HI DAN
<chillywilly> heh, we're cool
<reinhard> hey
<chillywilly> we have the cool name
<dtm> mmmgood.net/pics/corte_rivera_house/house_first_pics/deku_pruning/
<dtm> hehe  yeah.  and stuff.
<reinhard> you've got quite a lot zip codes in the u.s.
<dtm> those are pics of what i did this weekend
<dtm> reinhard: Well I try.
<dtm> sometimes ya just hafta pick one and run with ti
<dtm> s/ti/it/
<chillywilly> reinhard: well the US is sorta large
<dtm> yeah but who can keep track?  oh well!
<chillywilly> I don't worry about it
<dtm> me neither
<dtm> helps reduce the thinking involved
<dtm> not worrying, that is.
<dtm> i used to worry about thinking.
<dtm> and my doctor said i needed to eat raisin bran every day.
<chillywilly> you need help
<chillywilly> rofl
<dtm> yes i do dan, can you come over?
<dtm> you've seen my backyard there
<chillywilly> nope
<chillywilly> too far away
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<dtm> is it my odor/
<dtm> ?
<dtm> that's it, isn't it
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<chillywilly> dang neilt aren't you the lazy one today
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<chillywilly> heheh
<dtm> mine too!
<dtm> mine's been doing that for weeks
<dtm> i'm going to need to bathe today though
<dtm> that's the thing
<dtm> and i need a haircut
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<chillywilly> dtm: rofl
<chillywilly> he yall it billy joe jcater
<chillywilly> time to take care of that I think
<dtm> werd
<jcater> ??
<jcater> y'all dissin' my bitchin' namesake?
<dtm> nah, i gotchur back, homie
<dtm> i dunno bout these here bitchez tho
<dtm> depending on how many of them there are in here, one could say either "Bitches bitch." or "Bitch bitches."
<dtm> etc
<dtm> the reader is encouraged to extrapolate further possibilities as necessary
<jcater> rofl
<dtm> hehe
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<reinhard> http://www.amath.washington.edu/~lf/
<reinhard> is really a cool page somehow
<reinhard>  The method of making words by putting letters together is licensed by the patent-holders, GEGL Inc. All licence inquiries should be sent to piss@off.com.
<jcater> rofl
<chillywilly>  The most dangerous man, to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself, without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane and intolerable, and so, if he is romantic, he tries to change it. And even if he's not romantic personally he's very apt to spread discontent among those who are.
<chillywilly> * GNU/Linux: Our last best hope for free software.
<chillywilly> :)
<chillywilly> I likes that page
<chillywilly> "All the extravagance and incompetence of our present Government is due, in the main, to lawyers, and, in part at least, to good ones. They are responsible for nine-tenths of the useless and vicious laws that now clutter the statute-books, and for all the evils that go with the vain attempt to enforce them. Every Federal judge is a lawyer. So are most Congressmen. Every invasion of the plain rights of the citizens has a lawyer behi
<chillywilly> If all lawyers were hanged tomorrow, and their bones sold to a mah jong factory, we'd be freer and safer, and our taxes would be reduced by almost a half."
<chillywilly> ?H.L. Mencken (1880-1956), "Breathing Space", The Baltimore Evening Sun, 1924 Aug 4. Reprinted in A Carnival of Buncombe.
<chillywilly> I don't like Mencken's comments about Christians though
<reinhard> nite all
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<jcater> how can I display a list of all fonts available in X?
<jbailey> fslsfonts
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> "no font server defined"
<jcater> ah
<jcater> xlsfonts
<jcater> thanks
<ajmitch> xfontsel for an ugly app to display them ;)
<jcater> thanks
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<dneighbo> did you all find the owner of flex yet?
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<neilt> yes, we found the maintainer
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<chillywilly> what does this mean
<chillywilly> Great, je vais me coucher, à demain.
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<jbailey> 'lo
<chillywilly> sup
<chillywilly> you gonna rewrite pfinet?
<dneighbo> i have to sleep until tomorrow
<jbailey> not much.  I was just popping by to harras folks about the gnue packaging. =)
<dneighbo> or some rough equivalent
<jbailey> dneighbo: Do you like it rough?
<jbailey> err.
<dneighbo> rofl
<jbailey> chillywilly: dunno.  Neil kinda just tosses off the idea of rewriting it.  gah.
<dneighbo> thats funny because :voulez-vous a coucher avec moi
<chillywilly> that's what this whole lib is about isn't it?
<dneighbo> is often how people in american think you ask someone to sleep with you in french
<dneighbo> sleep as in bump uglies
<chillywilly> neal suffers sometimes from YGD...er, whatever
<chillywilly> young geniouses disease
<chillywilly> or bumping fuxxies
<jbailey> dneighbo: Yeah, I love some of the translations that my friends try and do.
<chillywilly> er, fuzzies even
<chillywilly> yay
<chillywilly> oss.sig.com is back up
<jbailey> chillywilly: Yes, I suspect it's a major overhaul of pfinet.  I don't even know how much of the underlying TCPIP code could survive.
<chillywilly> sgi.com
<chillywilly> it is monolithic
<chillywilly> imho
<chillywilly> I dunno though
<chillywilly> maybe you coul still use the stack
<jbailey> dneighbo: So now's a bad time to ask you if you'd take patches to wrap autoconf around gnuef? =)
<chillywilly> but it needs to look better
<dneighbo> jbailey ?
<chillywilly> makes apckagin easier
<chillywilly> packaging even
<jbailey> dneighbo: well, if you're sleeping and all. =)
<dneighbo> ah
<chillywilly> maybe that's hy we only have geas packages in sid
<dneighbo> i was translating for chillywilly 
<chillywilly> :P
<dneighbo> i wasnt going to sleep
<dneighbo> im at work
<dneighbo> though thats like sleeping ;)
<jbailey> I get it. =)
<chillywilly> jbailey: I asked him about what neal said
<dneighbo> who is neal?
<chillywilly> remeber I said the masta could translate it for me
<chillywilly> neal walfield
<chillywilly> hurd hacker
<chillywilly> http://walfield.org
<jbailey> chillywilly: I keep forgetting that Americans don't pick up French from serial boxes.
<chillywilly> or something
<dneighbo> ah a turd masta
<chillywilly> jbailey: heheh, your form up der hey?
<chillywilly> from
<jbailey> chillywilly: The 'h' in hey is silent.
<jbailey> ;)
<chillywilly> ey
<jbailey> 'eh?
<chillywilly> my bad
<chillywilly> eh?
<jbailey> Look 'dere.  What de americahns don't know aboot Canada, you could fill de 'udsens baie wid.
Action: chillywilly says that all the time
<chillywilly> but we are close to the border
<chillywilly> (Wisconisn)
<chillywilly> then again
<chillywilly> northern Wisconsin is a lot like Michigan
<chillywilly> they al play that one card game
<chillywilly> uecker
<chillywilly> hehe
Action: chillywilly lives in Milwaukee though
<jbailey> isn't that a beer?
<chillywilly> Milwaukee's Best is a beer
<chillywilly> Miller started in Milwaukee
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<chillywilly> our baseball team is called the ABrewers
<chillywilly> er, Brewers
<chillywilly> and the new stadium is Miller Park
<chillywilly> we used to be a big brewing city
<chillywilly> Pabst is in Milwaukee too
<chillywilly> my granpa worked there
<chillywilly> I still got some of his old breery jackets
<chillywilly> brewery
<neilt> chillywilly: your the standards person
<neilt> what do you think of http://www.bxxp.org/beepcore/home.jsp
<neilt> will that work for geas?
<chillywilly> ummm
<chillywilly> sure  guess if you make it use it
<chillywilly> they got SOAP over BEEP
<chillywilly> says it is P2P though
<chillywilly> there's a couple RFCs too
<chillywilly> their channle is #beepnik
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<PoorCNewb> Hi?
<PoorCNewb> Damn, not a single person in --any-- chatrooms
<PoorCNewb> Cya whoever's here
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<dtm> what a tool :)
<chillywilly> haha
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<chillywilly> Packers vs. redskins
<jbailey> CFL or NFL?
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<jbailey> hmmm.. sorry, silly question.
<chillywilly> I don't watch CFL
<chillywilly> our 3rd string quarterback is from the CFL
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<derek> yo yo yo mdean in da house
<Mr_You_> haha.. someone stole a someones flag and its on the news
<mdean> hey derek
<derek> Mr_You_: thats sick
<derek> mdean: i know i have a phpgroupware question for you
<mdean> phpgw?
<derek> yeah
<derek> but im not remember what it is and its killing me
<derek> probably question to ask them
<derek> you just seem to respond more logically :)
<mdean> heh
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<perlh> hi chillywilly
<perlh> hi derek
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