[00:03] Last message repeated 1 time(s). perlh (a@202.9.144.242) joined #gnuenterprise. hi chillywilly hi derek ello :p what is sgi chillywilly? you know silicon graphics Inc. a company does graphics stuff OpenGL etc. yeha i have heard a lot about them they are slowing moving to GNU/Linux too oh so have they tied up with opensoucre ? oh cool that sounds great chillywilly well so like are they going to make their software for linux ? or ... perlh: I was just pointing someone at where they can get the Linux kernel in cvs with XFS file system support SGI does the XFS file system stuff for the Linux kernel oh ok cool now i get it then chillywilly i would like to tell u one thing yes? have u heard about centurionlinux.com no chillywilly ? you asked if I heard about it I said no looking at the site now YALD Yet Another "Linux" Distor? Distro perlh (a@202.9.144.242) left irc: Ping timeout for perlh[202.9.144.242] perlh (aravind@202.54.63.22) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (rm@N803P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. hi reinhard greetings perlh :) so how are you doing reinhard and whats ip fine, thanks err s/ip/up/ not much is up at the moment :( i am making not as much progress with geas as i would want oh why any problem reinhard perlh (aravind@202.54.63.22) left irc: Ping timeout for perlh[202.54.63.22] perlh (aravind@202.54.63.22) joined #gnuenterprise. yes big problem i found out a day only has 24 hours ;) you already had a look at geas? or you concentrate on bayonne? yea I keep asking god for a 36 hour day, but he just ignores me ;P well reinhard i have started browsing through the links neilt had given which has about gd files and stuff but i also would love to have my hands dirty with bayonee chillywilly: it is man who made these 24 hour thing we can ask osama's messenger to extend the hours in a day ;) er? who's that? you talking about that wacky guy that was in #gnu? that wasn't you was it? me ? you were talking about the guy that came on with the nick osamasmessenger right? Action: perlh guess had to find a more suitable hideout yeha chillywilly :) that was you? i think he can do wonders ;) I think osama bin laden deserves to be blown to pieces perlh (aravind@202.54.63.22) left irc: Ping timeout for perlh[202.54.63.22] perlh (aravind@202.54.63.22) joined #gnuenterprise. perlh (aravind@202.54.63.22) left irc: Ping timeout for perlh[202.54.63.22] Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) left irc: night perlh (aravind@202.54.63.22) joined #gnuenterprise. perlh (aravind@202.54.63.22) left irc: Ping timeout for perlh[202.54.63.22] perlh (aravind@202.54.63.22) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@d58.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Read error to chillywilly[d58.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net]: EOF from client derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Ping timeout for derek[cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net] derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi derek how are you doing derek perlh: he is probably sleeping xchat autoreconnect :) -derek- TIME Fri Sep 28 01:45:21 oh ok :)) no problem reinhard thanx a lot reinhard: still i have not got my assingnment from fsf :( don't worry snail mail takes its time iirc it took 3 or 4 days for me to arrive oh ok reinhard thats what i was worrying about reinhard thanz a lot reinhard perlh (aravind@202.54.63.22) left irc: Ping timeout for perlh[202.54.63.22] perlh (aravind@202.9.144.242) joined #gnuenterprise. perlh: paperwork will come, eventually hi derek hello oh ok derek so how are you doing derek tired getting ready to go to bed ;) Nick change: derek -> dnZzzzz oh ok better take rest derek see you tomorrow yeah sure derek good night hi dnZzzzz og sorry did not notice that good night dnZzzzz Nick change: reinhard -> rm-away dnZzzzz (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Ping timeout for dnZzzzz[cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net] dnZzzzz (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: rm-away -> reinhard neilt (neilt@dialup-166.90.71.137.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ hello all good morning neil hi neilt hi reinhard goodmorning all ToyMan (stuq@c5300-1-ip165.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o jamest' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ jamest: i saw you finished the geas driver j/k jamest: cool, i did not realize it was finished :) lol you wish ok i have python question why does this not work def __init__(self): self.duplicator = [] self.duplicator[0] = TCDuplicator(2, 18) self.duplicator[1] = TCDuplicator(2, 18) hi neilt hi jamest perlh: hello hi how are you doing neilt ok and you yeah fine to neilt just try to understand the geas system i am noteing down the things which i am not able to understnad if you send the notes to us we will attemtp to get them into the faq oh ok cool then i will do that neilt perlh (aravind@202.9.144.242) left irc: [x]chat man oh man i love MS this is part of mail sent to the dept late yesterday Effective Sunday, September 30th, Microsoft will be discontinuing its current upgrade program. If you are considering "A ONE-TIME UPGRADE" now is the time to make your purchase. Starting October 1st, all upgrades will be on a 2 year plan for one price, offering unlimited upgrades during that period through the Upgrade Advantage program. Since the Upgrade Advantage program is a 2 year plan geared towards multiple upgrades, it is significantly higher in price than the current upgrade program offered today. Unfortunately, the current program expires on Sunday, September 30th, but orders need to be received and shipped by Friday September 28th to qualify for the current program. run this thru the old translator Buy now or take it up the rear i think we may have lost all the new UI work on gnuef :( jamest: what lost what madlock had started work on the new UI system for gnuef he had a partially working html driver for it but last mail I got from him was a couple of weeks ago saying he'd been very ill for previous 3 weeks jamest: btw your translator is faulty but my understanding he was better -> by M$ take it up the rear forever s/by/buy/ but now no responces to 2 mails since then :( i hope 1) he's alright 2) we don't lose weeks of work 1 is more important than 2 of course anil (anil@host-64-110-96-159.interpacket.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi "Why do we have to hide from the police, Daddy?" "Because we use vi, son. They use emacs." hi anil Nick change: dnZzzzz -> derek reinhard: not likely "Because we use free software. They use Microsoft." or where you just reading yesterdays log on emacs .emacs file fun? derek: no, this was a mail siganture i just read derek: did we post assignment form to anil? un i i think anil got an assignment form? anil: ? nope btw: we really need ash/curses working or ssl'd postgres so we can keep an active contact db for this stuff anil: did i send you an email for assignment at all? no what is your email? i have not received any mail from you ? anil@gdit.iiit.net anil: we're sorry, derek is the one in charge for that stuff, but he's getting old and starting to forget things j/k oh just sent btw: i swear i sent one to that email thanks maybe there is another student at gdit.iiit.net that is working on gnue? yeah why yes there is uday he is uday do you know him? yes cool hey he is my class mate the first two people working on gnue infact we are working together that know each other pre gnue :) reinhard: not true oh yes :-) you and jade jade and i when working on gnue had known each other prior to jade and benno and rafterman are brothers ;) oh so i assume they knew each other prior lol see you later bye later anil but its safe to say only current 'active' pair in same locatoin that know each other :) anil (anil@host-64-110-96-159.interpacket.net) left irc: Client Exiting derek: now you must really tell me how your meeting with RMS was did you discuss the "any later version" issue? and if you do it on non-logged channel i would like to sit in Action: reinhard would like a video of rms arguing with derek :) um on the any later version i dont think need to ask as two things clear up the position on the GPL FAQ site it states his position and since all people assign to fsf its a moot point as they could release with ANY LATER VERSION as to the rest of the time with him i can say he is as bad as everyone says i have a whole pile of funny and verifiably funny stories most notable was him crawling on all fours on the floor going 'cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo' but i dont have time right now to explain 'why' ;) lol must go to work Nick change: derek -> dnWork a video of derek and rms arguing......hmmm Action: jamest pictures two rams butting heads jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. wazzup not much my monitor came in today 20" of pure trinitron power ho ho ho Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. 204+ downloads heh (bofhd) Action: Mr_You will shutup about his first GPLed code. 3 pakistani men are being held in the next town forged documents at the DMV, stolen CCs please dont generalize like the poorly informed media it makes no difference that they are pakistani or any other race umm neilt don't put words in my mouth Mr_You: not putting words in your mouth, just making a suggestion all I did was repeat what the news said.. and I get comments like "witchhunt" (clearly this wasn't) and racism hell if it was a few white dudes it would have been presented the same way but should not have been, because it does not matter what race they are dneighbo (dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. "the news is just another show" and im my opinion a rather bad show most of the time quote from Janes Addiction ;-) Nick change: neilt -> neil-away jcater: i don't like you anymore :P jamest: why? anil (anil@host-64-110-96-159.interpacket.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hello anil derek !!! i have not received a mail from you anil hmmm chillywilly (danielb@d127.as1.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (stuq@c5300-1-ip165.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: Client Exiting i sent to email you requested and did not get a bounce though mdean didnt get my outgoing email either i wonder if something is wrong with my outgoing email though its odd im not getting errors anywhere jcater: you have a 20" monitor, I don't jamest: suffering from a little monitor envy there? um note to anil in case he hasn't recognized derek and dneighbo is the same person :) oh i have not received the mail from you derek like dr jekil and mr hyde please send it again anil it will have to wait until i get home jcater: just kidding, I still like ya, a little :) to see what is going on with mail seems im getting not recieving :( er not sending ok bye anil (anil@host-64-110-96-159.interpacket.net) left irc: Client Exiting http://www.petitiononline.com/SSSCA/ chillywilly: you are better off printing that, signing it, and mailing or faxing to your representatives (state senators & representative) than signing some online petition just a thought probably well I was just thinking to myself how accurate could an online petition be, ya know? you could get a bunch of yahoo addresses and hotmail accounts ans start signing away honestly, I doubt much consideration will be given to them all they rely on is a valid email I think i suppose it wouldnt hurt to do both however, if you send a letter to your reps with your address (in their district) they are likely to at least see it actually the BEST is to start a real local petition or such and get it to your congress man yea that way they know they face non relection if they vote for such things anyway this SSSCA legislation is crap :P dneighbo: I agree but even at a minimum, I'd sent a letter what if the petition leader were to brek it all down and send out letters to all congress critters with ppl's signatures? that might work then but it is a lot of work and probably won't happen you would really need to verify them all considering it is an online petition too who is gonna make 6000+ phone calls or what not EFF? although I have to admit it the christian coalition does a good job with their online petitions and contacting the congress critters think globally... act locally chillywilly: they petitions are only a front... it's actually the money behind the petition that moves congress they=the at least with the CC :) ToyMan (stuq@c5300-1-ip165.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. well, yea ppl donate...ppl also donate to the EFF dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Ping timeout for dres_[4.18.171.42] dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) got netsplit. ToyMan (stuq@c5300-1-ip165.albany.thebiz.net) got netsplit. dtm (dtm@m206-221.dsl.tsoft.com) got netsplit. dnWork (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) got netsplit. ToyMan (stuq@c5300-1-ip165.albany.thebiz.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. dtm (dtm@m206-221.dsl.tsoft.com) got lost in the net-split. dnWork (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) got lost in the net-split. jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) got lost in the net-split. dnWork (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: neil-away -> neilt jamest: just found out i run the tru blue environment :) 323 ?? S 3:24.42 /System/Library/CoreServices/Classic Startup.app/Contents/Resources/TruBlueEnvironment :) reinhard: btw i looked at your code oh are you sure you are working on the right project? and you are still alive? huh? i dont like it :) its way to easy to understand thanks we will have every tom, dick and harry wanting to change it i take it as a compliment :) it was meant to be the way it was no-one would touch it neilt: we can do that before the release ahhh we write a little sed script good which removes all comments and all newlines and all whitespace excpet that one syntactically necessary i think jcater is a sed fan anyway he would do that for us i think :) :) hmm... any serious comments? nope, just keep going it looks good except that you are probably disappointed wrt % finished k i did notice that the last checking had more deletions than additions, you might consider doing it the other way around it might go faster ;) lol ebay the board game uggh ? that's a dumb idea if I ever heard of one Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) left irc: ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet? dtm (dtm@m206-221.dsl.tsoft.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi dtm dnWork (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Ping timeout for dnWork[cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net] ToyMan (stuq@c5300-1-ip165.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: Client Exiting dnWork (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo (dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com) got netsplit. neilt (neilt@dialup-166.90.71.137.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) left irc: Ping timeout for neilt[dialup-166.90.71.137.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] dneighbo (dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. Mussi (x@200.167.235.33) joined #gnuenterprise. nickr_ (nick@sdsl-64-32-227-138.dsl.nyc.megapath.net) joined #gnuenterprise. nickr (nick@sdsl-64-32-227-138.dsl.nyc.megapath.net) got netsplit. reinhard (rm@N803P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at) got netsplit. dnWork (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) got netsplit. dnWork (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. reinhard (rm@N803P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at) returned to #gnuenterprise. nickr (nick@sdsl-64-32-227-138.dsl.nyc.megapath.net) got lost in the net-split. neilt (neilt@dialup-209.244.67.48.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ neilt: you said my code is too easy to understand what about this line: yes, i just noticed a lot of new additional code *(GList **)user_data = g_list_append (*(GList **)user_data, value); cool, only handles and not references to handles not sure if there was a better way to write it i am ok with this user_data is of type void * and is really a GList** and i want the GList* you cant judge code based on one line only where is that at? i know it's a new line classdef.c anyway nickr_ (nick@sdsl-64-32-227-138.dsl.nyc.megapath.net) got netsplit. just a question does it make sense to have private modules? nickr_ (nick@sdsl-64-32-227-138.dsl.nyc.megapath.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. or in other word s what does private/public mean at all? private means private to the geas server originally we were going to make geas classes into *.gcd fiels files ah ok so private means they should not be accessed by introspection routines there may be a couple of classes that are so fundamental that we cant do that private means no client access, unless that client is a sys admin we have provision for administration interface that will have access to this these classes ok IMHO public is not needed everything should default to public yes true only private is needed an I would rather call it geas or something so it is not confused with other types of private/public stuff we could probably do a very simple security abstraction right now and make the issue clearer because i see this as a security issue ok so we are not talking about private/public like in object oriented thinking if we go there private would mean only accessable in the module yeah i wonder if this makes any sense i think yes like how so a private field "stock_on_hand" and a method "move_stock" the method "move_stock" changes stock_on_hand and apart from that it creates some log entry in stock_log class so stock_on_hand could be private i like that so that nobody can chanbe the stock on hand w/o creating a log entry OTOH stock_on_hand should be world_readable like public readable private writeable hehe rw-r--r-- stock_on_hand :) then i would call it read_only not private private to me means not visible yeah but i supose that you could have a methods to get the variuable anyway or another example for private fields all the "hidden" fields that geas automatically creates for references and lists jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: [x]chat reinhard: i am kind of against this module ? module : _current_module, name why? just a personal bias what don't you like? i hate the syntax the ?: why not just use if statemetn personally i consider it acceptable to use x ? y : z as long as x and y are the same so module ? module : _current_module is just module, and if that is not there, use _current_module anyway i need sleep i am not a coding machine like others ;) nite all reinhard: later reinhard (rm@N803P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Those who say it can't be done should never stop those who are actually doing it. Mussi (x@200.167.235.33) left #gnuenterprise. dumb users should die! then there would not be any left good point I think the approrpiate term is lusers i almost punched a guy at work only second time i have gotten that angry at work before really? what did he do? being an ass total condescending talk when he was one not understanding jcater (jason@slip-12-65-222-187.mis.prserv.net) joined #gnuenterprise. oh wait a minute, here derek was trying to reason with a luser hmmmmm i think i see a problem to quote a famous line "I think what we have here is a failure to communicate" :) cya chillywilly (danielb@d127.as1.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Read error to chillywilly[d127.as1.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net]: EOF from client bother, he left neilt; pretty much i apologized and played like a good little programmer sure i will still catch the heat though glad its friday :) so you did not unplug the computer and tell him that he was not qualified to use it jcater (jason@slip-12-65-222-187.mis.prserv.net) left irc: Ping timeout for jcater[slip-12-65-222-187.mis.prserv.net] actually this is another programmer trying to interface to system we will say there are fields OBJECT (expesen ojbect code) REVENUE (revenue object code) CUR_BUD_MONTH ahhhh, another programmer, then fry the bastard BUDGET_YTD CUR_EXPENSE_MONTH EXPENSE_YTD important to remembe created the table now they put the actuals for revenue in CUR_BUD_MONTH now how that makes sense is beyond me but to them they couldnt put in CUR_EXPENSE_MONTH because its a revenue not an expense never mind they have an expense and revenue column to tell teh diff sigh its really rather a poor system with poor terminology but honestly HOW they could put an actual in a budget column and expect things to be correct is beyond me figured they woudl ask SOMEONE now of course its my fault because i said the cur_expense column for revenues is wrong which they thought i said expsenses were wrong sigh its really bad the point that killed me was they wrote over a table and refused to admit it seeing how my team has READ only access pretty impossible for us to do so :) anyhow Mussi (x@200.167.235.33) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (jason@1Cust231.tnt6.memphis3.tn.da.uu.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (jason@1Cust231.tnt6.memphis3.tn.da.uu.net) left irc: Client Exiting jcater (jason@1Cust231.tnt6.memphis3.tn.da.uu.net) joined #gnuenterprise. anyone here tried MAME and friends? Action: dneighbo is thinking a game cabinet woudl be cool :) must go bye bye dneighbo (dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com) left irc: BitchX has bite! (Just ask Mike Tyson!) Mussi (x@200.167.235.33) left irc: jcater (jason@1Cust231.tnt6.memphis3.tn.da.uu.net) left #gnuenterprise. Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (jason@1Cust195.tnt1.memphis3.tn.da.uu.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (jason@1Cust195.tnt1.memphis3.tn.da.uu.net) left irc: reboot mdean (mdean@arc10x43.kcnet.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (jason@1Cust195.tnt1.memphis3.tn.da.uu.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (jason@1Cust195.tnt1.memphis3.tn.da.uu.net) left irc: Client Exiting jcater (jason@1Cust195.tnt1.memphis3.tn.da.uu.net) joined #gnuenterprise. later all neilt (neilt@dialup-209.244.67.48.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) left irc: Mussi (x@200.167.235.33) joined #gnuenterprise. Mussi (x@200.167.235.33) left irc: quiet day here today eh Nick change: dnWork -> derek yip crap outbound mail has issues wonder how long its been this way I love it when services have "issues" almost makes them seem human :) msn is a 'very' human 'service' funny... that's what I'm using now :( the question is it the 'service' with the 'issue' you speak of? Action: jcater loves his new monitor you got new monitor? yes Action: derek has monitor envy now as well trinitron 20" mine is making 'noises' read 'its a good excuse for a new monitor' btw: whats a 20 inch set one back now a days? Action: derek is looking at the 15 inch flatpanels (for the wife) chillywilly (danielb@d93.as13.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (jason@1Cust195.tnt1.memphis3.tn.da.uu.net) left irc: Ping timeout for jcater[1Cust195.tnt1.memphis3.tn.da.uu.net] mdean (mdean@arc10x43.kcnet.com) left irc: Client Exiting Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) left irc: ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet? jbailey (jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp294700.sympatico.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp294700.sympatico.ca) left irc: Client Exiting jeff jbailey (jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp294700.sympatico.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. wb jbailey jbailey_ (jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp294700.sympatico.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. oh hey, that's weird. are we experiencing technical difficulties? I'm just trying to figure out how to make this thing autoconnect to all the channels that I want. ooooh And, hey, what else to do at 1am? =) --- Sat Sep 29 2001