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<chillywilly> hi reinhard
<reinhard> hey
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<chillywilly> hey perlh
<perlh> hi chillywilly
<perlh> good morning
<perlh> good evening
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> Mon Oct  1 01:05:46 CDT 2001
<perlh> then i guess it is good morening right
<chillywilly> something like that
<perlh> ok cool
<chillywilly> about time for bed or somethin'
<perlh> then did you and arc have any further discussion on vegan
<chillywilly> nah
<chillywilly> I like my meat too much anyway
<chillywilly> I mean I think it is cool and all, but I still feel that man is the superior being ;)
<chillywilly> somethings they do to animals are stupid though
<chillywilly> like unecessary testing ans I will not eat veil
<perlh> oh ok 
<chillywilly> s/ans/and
<perlh> my mom is shouting at me when i told that here after 
<perlh> i am not going to take milk and other milk derived products
<chillywilly> heheh
<perlh> she say milk is realy very good for our health
<chillywilly> water is the solvent of life
<chillywilly> but pepsi tastes a lot better
<chillywilly> ;P
Action: chillywilly updates debian
<perlh> do you run debian
<perlh> are you there?
<perlh> hi dyfet
<chillywilly> yes
<chillywilly> debian sid
<chillywilly> (unstable)
<chillywilly> dave is AWK
<chillywilly> er, dyfet
<perlh> oh ok 
<perlh> but he has put that he is away
<perlh> :(
<perlh> well i thought today i can 
<perlh> get in touch with dave and know more about
<perlh> bayonee
<perlh> chillywilly:  are you there
<perlh> chillywilly:  are you there\
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<chillywilly> yes
<chillywilly> oh ya
<chillywilly> well if he ever comes back I am sure he will talk to you
<chillywilly> ;)
<perlh> oh ok cool
<perlh> no probs chillywilly
<perlh> so what did you do in the week end
<chillywilly> ummm
<chillywilly> I can't remember what  I did on friday
<perlh> :(
<chillywilly> saturday night we took scotty to chuck e. cheese
<perlh> how about sat and sun
<perlh> oh ok cool whats special about it 
<perlh> why dont you tell me
<chillywilly> it's a place for kids yu can go eat pizza and play games and such
<chillywilly> today I watched football
<chillywilly> :P
<chillywilly> went to my mom's house and but her grass
<chillywilly> for her
<chillywilly> s/but/cut
<chillywilly> nothing spectacular I guess
<perlh> oh ok grat
<perlh> are you not staying with ur parents
<chillywilly> no, caroline's parents
<chillywilly> :P
<perlh> who is that ?
<chillywilly> for the time being
<perlh> you never told about him
<chillywilly> fiance
<chillywilly> her
<perlh> oh cool
<perlh> so ur in love
<chillywilly> hehe
<perlh> and when are you planning to get married
<chillywilly> that's funny how you say that
<chillywilly> when I have some money
<chillywilly> :P
<perlh> oh ok cool
<chillywilly> we hav been together for almost 7 years
<perlh> well since how long have you two been in love
<perlh> oh cool
<chillywilly> I was just a youngin when I met her
<chillywilly> 17
<perlh> but still you find her attractive and interesting and she also feels the same on you 
<chillywilly> I am 23 now
<perlh> quiet stranghe
<chillywilly> not when you've found the one for you
<chillywilly> perlh: http://goats.gnue.org/~chillywilly/photos/
<chillywilly> bah
<chillywilly> I should go to bed
<chillywilly> hehe
<perlh> ok fine
<perlh> sure
<perlh> take good care
<perlh> hope to catch you early
<chillywilly> good night man
<chillywilly> night all
<perlh> yeah goiod night
<perlh> but tell me 
<perlh> at what time
<chillywilly> yes?
<perlh> shouylf i come to chat with 
<chillywilly> ummm
<perlh> you for more than an hour atleast
<perlh> :(
<chillywilly> where are yuo again?
<chillywilly> India right?
<perlh> yeha
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<chillywilly> yeeeehaaaaaw
<chillywilly> hheh
<chillywilly> just making fun of your typo
<chillywilly> ;)
<perlh> :(
<chillywilly> only kidding man
<perlh> whats the time there in us now
<chillywilly> almost 2am
<chillywilly> for th central time zone
<chillywilly> perlh: what kinda interbet connection you got?
<chillywilly> internet
<chillywilly> cable modem?
<perlh> well we are on a 256kbps leased line
<chillywilly> ooooh
<perlh> why chillywilly?
<chillywilly> cause my other friends in India have a crummy connection and never stay on IRC long
<perlh> oh ok 
<perlh> i get ur point
<chillywilly> arun...
<chillywilly> and those guys
<perlh> :)
<perlh> ok cool
<chillywilly> although I haven't seen one of them in months
<chillywilly> he has his own company
<chillywilly> and a acable connection
<chillywilly> http://www.river-valley.com
<perlh> oh ok let me check it out
<perlh> chillywilly:  pls tell me the time at waht time should i come daily
<chillywilly> uuuuh
<chillywilly> how about later at night
<chillywilly> f ryou that is
<chillywilly> for you
<chillywilly> you at work right now?
<perlh> yeha
<chillywilly> yeeehaaaa
<chillywilly> lol
<chillywilly> sorry
<chillywilly> I am goofy when aI do not sleep enough
<perlh> oh ok fine i am sorry if i am the cuase for it
<perlh> ;0
<chillywilly> nah
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<perlh> what i meant my trout and thwaps
<perlh> ?
<chillywilly> it means I wacked him upside the head with a fish
<chillywilly> a "virtual" slap anyway
<chillywilly> he deserves it anyway
<chillywilly> :o
<chillywilly> he never comes around
<perlh> yeah 
<perlh> i also guess so
<chillywilly> then he gets on
<chillywilly> and goeas away for hours
<chillywilly> ;)
<chillywilly> nah, you stay and talk all th time
<perlh> :))
<chillywilly> you're good
<chillywilly> dave baaaad
<chillywilly> bad dave
<chillywilly> anyway
<perlh> :))
<chillywilly> I am onlyy kidding with him
<chillywilly> Dave's a grooovy guy
<perlh> oh so you mean to sat dave is a cool guy ?
<chillywilly> sat?
<chillywilly> say
<chillywilly> yea
<chillywilly> he's coooool
<chillywilly> I wonder if dtm is awake
<chillywilly> I know nickr is awake
<perlh> ?
<chillywilly> he;s just hiding
<perlh> oh ok 
<perlh> how do you know that?
<perlh> well ok but why do they login in and hide
<chillywilly> Ia m psychic or something call me up and I'll read your future
<chillywilly> only $9.99 oer minute
<perlh> :))
<chillywilly> s/oer/per
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> well actually the only person I know for sure that is awake is reinhard
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<chillywilly> bah
<chillywilly> I jinxed him
<perlh> :)
<perlh> well ok but why do they login in and hide
<chillywilly> I dunno
<chillywilly> most of them are in bed probably
<chillywilly> ajmitch is at class
<chillywilly> dunno what happened to dave
<chillywilly> I think he fell in
<chillywilly> ;)
<chillywilly> dres is probably awake though
Action: chillywilly pokes dres
<perlh> yeah i agree chillywilly
<perlh> but i am wondering why do they do that
<chillywilly> dres is a gnucash hacker
<chillywilly> so you can bug him about any annoing bugs ;o
<chillywilly> annpyng
<chillywilly> e, annoying
<chillywilly> s/e/er
<perlh> oh ok cool
<perlh> gnucash
<perlh> ok cool
<perlh> are ui ther>
<chillywilly> yea
<chillywilly> but not for long
<perlh> ok fine
<perlh> tommorow i will come early
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<neilt> morning all
<reinhard> hello neilt
<neilt> reinhard: hello, you out from under yet
<reinhard> just a sec
<reinhard> my screen seems to have some problem
<reinhard> i am writing blind now basicall
<reinhard> y
<reinhard> brb
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<reinhard> <neilt> reinhard: hello, you out from under yet
<reinhard> what did you mean with that?
<neilt> are you done with 36 hour days
<reinhard> ah
<reinhard> no
<reinhard> i expect it to really start soon
<reinhard> all up to now was just a preparation to the real thing
<reinhard> worst time will be december and january
<reinhard> but it's ok for me
<reinhard> it gives me money which i need to survive the time
<reinhard> when i will help develop gnue and not have much revenues
<reinhard> over the next summer
Action: neilt goes to check cvs to see if it all works yet :)
<reinhard> neilt: you can look at gcdinfo
<neilt> so we have to be done with current changes mid november?
<reinhard> this is a start
<reinhard> neilt: s/we/reinhard/
<reinhard> ;)
<neilt> yep
<perlh> hi neilt
<perlh> hi reinhard
<neilt> perlh: hello
<reinhard> perlh: hi
<neilt> reinhard: i have been tied up for the last couple of days writtting a simulation
<neilt> for scheduling a multi-machine production line
<reinhard> hmmm...
<reinhard> sounds like a interesting problem
<neilt> i just wish i could remember by stockastic process math and queueing theory classes
<neilt> anyway its all written in Python
<neilt> hehe
<reinhard> hehe
<neilt> so myabe some of it will make it into gcd files
<reinhard> the problem with all these mathematic theories is
<perlh> oh gr8
<reinhard> that when you learn them you don't believe that you ever will need it in real life :)
<neilt> reinhard: exactly
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<reinhard> oh man
<neilt> now that i do back to my textbook, i say, "so thats what that meant"
<reinhard> from a mail to the gnome mailing list
<reinhard> I am current out of the office for an indefinite period due to a military
<reinhard> emergency.
<neilt> will its getting scarry
<neilt> we have called up our national guard to be security in airports
<neilt> and our military reserves to go towards the middle east
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<neilt> like i said before i would not want to live outside of the US right now
<jbailey> *blink*
<reinhard> hi jbailey
<jbailey> Hey'all. =)
<reinhard> on another topic
<reinhard> my 15" tft just crashed
<reinhard> and i digged out my old 15" analogue monitor
<jbailey> "crashes" like bounced off the floor?
<reinhard> you would not believe the difference
<reinhard> jbailey: no, it just stopped working
<reinhard> i didn't do any harm to him
<reinhard> not even did say rude things or what
<reinhard> ... guess you don't say "him" to a monitor in the u.s. :)
<jbailey> That's okay.
<jbailey> I'm not in the US. =)
<jamest> reinhard: the difference?
<jamest> which is better?
<jamest> :)
<jbailey> I *like* my new tft.
<reinhard> it's like i can't read the text in xchat any more
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<anil> hello all
<neilt> reinhard: ok i looked at gcdinfo, looks nice an simple, is that geas code?
<anil> what is the irc channel for ORBit
<reinhard> neilt: lol
<reinhard> anil: probably you'll find it on irc.gnome.org
<reinhard> not here
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<neilt> reinhard: surely this wont stay in the code
<neilt>   geas_cd_read_gcd ("../../../gnue-config");
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<dneighbo> chilly it cant be later than like 9:20 there....
Action: chillywilly yawns
<chillywilly> Mon Oct  1 08:11:51 CDT 2001
<dneighbo> you realize the sun just came up a few hours ago
Action: dneighbo is worried chillywilly might be ill, that or he hasnt gone to bed yet ;)
<chillywilly> ya
<chillywilly> nah, I usually getup early now a days
<dneighbo> though its only 6:15 here, so i suppose the same could be said here ;)
<jbailey> chillywilly: I understand.  When I'm employed I can hardly drag my ass out of bed. =)
<chillywilly> the search must continue...
<chillywilly> bah
<chillywilly> plz shoot me
Action: chillywilly notices how all these mailman's keep mailing him
<chillywilly> btw, dneighbo it is ppl like http://www.cgabriel.org that still give me hope for Gnome :)
<neilt> reinhard: gcdinfo seems to run fine
<neilt> just a couple of errors for list and reference key words
<reinhard> yes
<reinhard> for normal fields the info should be correct
<reinhard> types are not yet extended, that will be the next steop
<reinhard> step
<neilt> my only suggestion would be to remove one of the double lines at the end or beginning
<reinhard> really?
<reinhard> i had it like that before
<neilt> yes
<reinhard> ok
<neilt> i get vertigo
<neilt> looking at the report
<reinhard> vertigo?
<neilt> lose your sense of balance when you look at stripes
<reinhard> ah
<neilt> or something to that effect
<reinhard> :)
<reinhard> ok
<chillywilly> 2 definitions found
<chillywilly> From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:
<chillywilly>   Vertigo \Ver"ti*go\ (?; 277), n.; pl. E. {Vertigoes}, L.
<chillywilly>      {Vertigines}. [L., fr. vertere to turn. See {Verse}.]
<chillywilly>      1. (Med.) Dizziness or swimming of the head; an affection of
<chillywilly>         the head in which objects, though stationary, appear to
<chillywilly>         move in various directions, and the person affected finds
<chillywilly>         it difficult to maintain an erect posture; giddiness.
<chillywilly>         --Quian.
<chillywilly>   
<chillywilly>      2. (Zo["o]l.) Any one of numerous species of small land
<chillywilly>         snails belonging to the genus {Vertigo}, having an
<chillywilly>         elongated or conical spiral shell and usually teeth in the
<chillywilly>         aperture.
<chillywilly> From WordNet (r) 1.6 [wn]:
<chillywilly>   vertigo
<chillywilly>        n : a reeling sensation; feeling about to fall [syn: {dizziness},
<chillywilly>             {giddiness}, {lightheadedness}]
<chillywilly> weee
<chillywilly> sorry
<chillywilly> swimming of the head
<chillywilly> heh
<dneighbo> chillywilly chris makes good gnocchi too ;)
<chillywilly> who is chris?
<jbailey> Mmmmmm.. gnocchi.
<jbailey> now I'm hungry. =)
<neilt> reinhard: and why is the field name prefixed with the classname?
<dneighbo> chillywilly Cgabriel
<chillywilly> oh duh
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<reinhard> neilt: this is what we discussed before
<reinhard> when different modules extend the same class
<neilt> ahh, ok
<dneighbo> es ist nicht der Report, sein zu vieles Bier
<reinhard> dneighbo: hehe
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<neilt> dneighbo: leider bin ich nicht ein Biertrinker.
<neilt> es muß der Sprung sein
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<chillywilly> heheh
<reinhard> neilt: der Sprung?
<reinhard> the jump?
<neilt> CRACK
<reinhard> ah
<neilt> hehe
<reinhard> lol
<neilt> did not think it would transalte
<reinhard> this is in crack like in "the plate cracked"
<neilt> as in the drug
<reinhard> yeah i understand
<chillywilly> you ppl smoke too much crack as it is ;)
<chillywilly> now you;re translating it into other laguages
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<chillywilly> :P
<neilt> reinhard: so how do you call crack in german
<reinhard> crack
<reinhard> :)
<neilt> es muß crack sein
<neilt> ??
<reinhard> yes
<neilt> :)
<reinhard> neilt: when we have that internal in-memory data structure
<reinhard> that represents the class definitions
<reinhard> would you think the automatic fields (like date created, user created, objectid etc.)
<dneighbo> neilt just goes to prove that crack is 'truly universal'
<reinhard> should be in that structure too?
<reinhard> or should the completely be handeled outside the classdef library
<neilt> reinhard: depends on how the structure is used
<neilt> i think it should be there, unless
<reinhard> ok
<chillywilly> that's all object meta data right....er, most of it
<neilt> there are speed problems
<reinhard> i don't believe there will be
<neilt> me either
<reinhard> i see some parameters to gcdinfo in future
<reinhard> as well as to the idl introspection methods
<reinhard> like include automatic fields y/n
<neilt> yes, could be
<reinhard> brb
<chillywilly> I think the introspection could be improved....it would be cool to do new obj.Class.theName(string) and stuff like that
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<reinhard> back
<reinhard> chillywilly: how do you mean that?
<chillywilly> I like Java's Interface
<chillywilly> it is pretty nice
<chillywilly> they have a class Class
<chillywilly> but there are some things like returning a list of classes that is GEAS specific so they differ some
<dneighbo> anyone here successfully get cygwin and xfree32 running?
<reinhard> no
<reinhard> tried but failed
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<reinhard> registered winaxe
<dneighbo> its too painful
<jbailey> you can require cygwin if you ship the cygwin.dll and use gtk as the widget set.
<chillywilly> dneighbo: how is cygwin painful?
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<chillywilly> uh oh
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<jbailey> uh oh?
<chillywilly> just teasing j
<chillywilly> er, jc
<jcater> moring'
<jcater> err, morning
<neilt> reinhard: actually, if i were doing the formatting i would do the following
<neilt> -      printf ("CLASS %s [%s]\n(file %s)\n", geas_cd_class_get_name_full (c),
<neilt> +      printf ("\n\nCLASS %s [%s]\n(file %s)\n", geas_cd_class_get_name_full (c),
<reinhard> neilt: and remove the =======line?
<neilt> do i did not remove the one ==== line
<neilt> s/do/no/
<neilt> CLASS person::name_suffix [person__name_suffix]
<neilt> (file ../../../gnue-config/base/person/classes/person.gcd)
<neilt> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
<neilt> Field name                       Field Type                                    
<neilt> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
<neilt> person::language                 ref. to language::language              
<neilt> person::suffix                   char<  8>                               
<neilt> ===============================================================================
<neilt> CLASS person::comm_type [person__comm_type]
<neilt> (file ../../../gnue-config/base/person/classes/person.gcd)
<neilt> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
<neilt> Field name                       Field Type                                    
<neilt> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
<neilt> person::descr                    char< 35>                               
<neilt> person::code                     char<  8>                               
<neilt> person::format                   char< 70>                               
<neilt> ===============================================================================
<neilt> sorry spaces were eaten up in the post
<reinhard> neilt: please just change and commit
<neilt> ok thanks
<reinhard> bbl must visit customer
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<dneighbo> piss and moan
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<jcater> rough day?
<dneighbo> somethign like that
<dneighbo> hey what is that free vmware deal?
<dneighbo> and does it run on windows?
<dneighbo> so you can make linux inside windows
<dneighbo> im getting no where fast on cygwin
<dneighbo> got clearance to move to lyx for docs
<dneighbo> but only if can make work on windows machines
<jcater> plex86.org
<jcater> or bochs.com
<jcater> not sure which you are asking about
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<jcater> or, do as I do, VNC to a linux box :)
<jcater> that's the easiest way to get linux apps on windows :)
<dneighbo> hmmm
<dneighbo> honestly that might be a solution
<dneighbo> more than one person can do an session to vnc right?
<dneighbo> as i would need 3 people to share oen linux machine at that point
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<jamest> dneighbo: I don't know about that
<jamest> but why not just use lyx for windows?
<jamest> nevermind
<jamest> i see why not
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<dneighbo> :)
<dneighbo> i was going to
<dneighbo> but cygwin + X + TeX on windows is a beast
<dneighbo> for just my machine no problem to maintain on like 5 machines no way :)
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<jcater> dneighbo: we have 4 ppl vnc'ing to the same linux box
<jcater> they all have their own session (i.e., I vnc to :1, someone else to :2, etc)
<dneighbo> jcater: you have to do anything special to do that?
<dneighbo> or doesn vnc just do it by default?
<jcater> I have an init.d that does a "su - user -c 'vncserver -depth 24'"
<jcater> for each user
<jcater> that starts it up w/their login
<dneighbo> you will have to help me out when teh time comes :)
<dneighbo> be a few weeks yet
<jcater> ok
<jcater> that's how we developed w/gnuef (as I haven't been brave enough to run designer on win98)
<dneighbo> chicken
<jcater> hehe, I never claimed otherwise
<dneighbo> the thing i LOVE about this statement is how it must sound to a windows admin
<dneighbo> 'i would rather set up one machine to offer a multiuser simulatenous GUI interface to the users on my network rather than deal with the headache of running something on win98'
<dneighbo> seeing how remote GUI for one person is nearly impoosible for windows
<dneighbo> and remote GUI for multiple people is like a 60k dollar solution at best
<dneighbo> it must sound most odd :)
<jcater> lol
<jbailey> But it says MICROSOFT, it MUST be GOOD!
<dneighbo> ja
<dneighbo> good at emptying your available budget
<jbailey> good at collecting viruses
<dneighbo> hey now thats incorrect
<dneighbo> it doesnt 'collect' them
<dneighbo> it gladly 'shares' them
<jbailey> sorry 'breed', 'incubate'.
<dneighbo> in fact redmond wants to know why RMS has such a problem with windows
<dneighbo> it has shared code red faster than ANY opensource/freesoftware program to date
<dneighbo> thus 'shared source'
<dneighbo> is better than
<dneighbo> 'free software'
<dneighbo> in fact those doubting the power
<dneighbo> search google for code red and you aget about 750,000 sites
<dneighbo> a search for 'ms office' gets you noly 330,000
<dneighbo> therefore can we venture to say its a bigger hit than office ;)
<jcater> rofl
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<Mr_You> hi
<nickr> Hi
<Mr_You> whats new?
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<jcater> mmm... nap
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<Mr_You> I've been questioning my sense of purpose with computers... I guess a balance is needed
<neilt> balance . . . . .  you have come to the wrong place
<dneighbo> jbailey you cant take a nap unless you have enought ot share w/ everyone
<Mr_You> I'm pretty convinced are gov't (and maybe russia) are screwing the human race by with-holding ET technology..
<Mr_You> s/are/our/
<neilt> Extra Terristrial technology?
<Mr_You> I could point you to the info, but its a very personal subject and some just don't want to hear it (part of the problem)
<Mr_You> http://www.disclosureproject.org/, majesticdocuments.com
<Mr_You> gonna finish watching the video 
<jcater> Mr_You? a gov't screwing it's ppl? how could you think such a thing
<Mr_You> its ppl is one thing, the human race is another
<jcater> I'
<jcater> I'm not sure I can see the distinction
<neilt> the purpose of gov is to screw the human race
<jcater> but I'll take your word
<Mr_You> jcater: two different scales IMO
Action: dneighbo thinks you all have it right for once
<Mr_You> part of me wants to just be ignorant of it all
<dneighbo> masta is employed to screw people ;)
<Mr_You> part of me wants to drop everything and do something
<jcater> employed or implored?
<Mr_You> latter
<dneighbo> um latter
<Mr_You> oh 
<jamest> jcater: maybe we can talk to maricopia and get his status changed to impaled
<dneighbo> jamest: im 'classified' employee, so thats not possible at this time
<jamest> sigh, figures
<neilt> we could always call in the fbi, they arrest anybody now days
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<jcater> lol
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<jcater> uh oh, run!
<chillywilly> muuuwahahhahaha
<jcater> you get the garage painted?
<chillywilly> I wish my pcmcis modem didn't suck
<chillywilly> pcmcia
<chillywilly> yup
<chillywilly> it dial and then nogotiates twice and picks the slower speed
<chillywilly> dials
<chillywilly> pwd
<chillywilly> woops
<chillywilly> ok, time to boogie I'll be back though...muuuwwahahahhaha
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<reinhard>     {
<reinhard>       if (!list
<reinhard> i guess this is called defensive programming :)
<jamest> :)
<jcater> better than offensive programming :)
<reinhard> lol
<reinhard> something like that?
<reinhard> typedef void    QueryData;
<reinhard> typedef struct __QueryData _QueryData;
<dneighbo> if you dont bath is it considered offensive programming?
<dneighbo> or only if you dont bath and od pair programming?
<jcater> hmmm... if you think not bathing is offensive programming, then stay out of GNUe Reports, you might get offended
<jcater> just kidding... but you will probably get a massive migraine
<Mr_You> hehe
<reinhard> nite all
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<jcater> Burlington Coat Factory will install Linux on 1,150 computers in its 250 stores over the next 12 to 18 months. 
<jcater> "Burlington will run Red Hat Software Inc.'s version of Linux on 1,250 Dell OptiPlex® PCs for office management, to administer its Baby Registry and to handle back-office functions such as shipping and receiving. Dell will factory-install Red Hat Linux software through its DellPlus service on the OptiPlex GX1 computers, giving Burlington the ease and efficiency of PCs that arrive ready to use." 
<dtm> that's sweet of em
<dtm> jcater: isn't that an old announcement/
<dtm> ?
<jcater> I dunno
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<dneighbo> dtm: not sure
<dneighbo> home depot entire POS system is Linux (iirc)
<dneighbo> i think burlington did same
<Mr_You> who is burlington?
<dneighbo> this might just be a 'contituation' of it
<Mr_You> oh Coat Factory
<dneighbo> i.e. first POS
<dneighbo> now back office, shipping and registries
<dneighbo> shame Dell doesnt find it 'profitable' to ship Linux on teh 'desktop' ;)
<dneighbo> jason still woudl like to do a press release on gnue for your subsidary
<dneighbo> and possibly case study
<dneighbo> IBM Corp. announced Thursday what it called the biggest ever commercial use of Linux, inking a deal to outfit a Japanese convenience chain called Lawson Inc. with more than 15,000 IBM eServer xSeries running the alternative operating system.
<dneighbo> and
<dneighbo> Korean airline uses Linux (ibm) excluseively
<jcater> dneighbo: me too
<neilt> is there a list of business users of linux someplace?
<dneighbo> neilt: dont konw
<dneighbo> but would be nice to add to our site :)
<dneighbo> a 'case studies' section
<dneighbo> for ANY enterprise with linux deployment
<dneighbo> i might make a topic of such
<dneighbo> and then when i run accross these
<dneighbo> hyperlink to them with a short desc
<dneighbo> then if someone asks
<dneighbo> can just click on that topic to get a list 
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<jcater> dneighbo: he got away!!!
<dneighbo> jcater: he wont get far, unless he gnawed off his foot
Action: dneighbo is gonna go to mad max style development
<dneighbo> chain programmer foot to computer w/ a bomb
<dneighbo> and give mad max options
<dneighbo> a. code a release of x in 2 days
<dneighbo> b. naw through foot in 3 days
<dneighbo> c. bomb goes off in 4 das
<dneighbo> er days
<dneighbo> actually that would be a good commerical for M$
<dneighbo> guy chained to burning building
<jcater> lol... "Microsoft Entrerprise Solutions"
<dneighbo> m$ exec says see that is the new upgrade scheem (points to building)
<dneighbo> drops a hacksaw
<dneighbo> you can cut through the cuffs in about 3 days
<dneighbo> or you can cut through the bone in 2 days
<dneighbo> upgrade will be here in 3
<dneighbo> you choose what you watn to do
Action: dneighbo thinks thats about accurate to what position they are taking
Action: dneighbo figures most are too chicken to 'cut thier foot off' so instead get 'consumed'
<jcater> but, why wouldn't you upgrade?
<dneighbo> dont like to be consumed by high intensity fire ;)
<jcater> at least one of my offices is almost an M$-free zone :)
<jcater> I've about decided the other one can burn :)
<jcater> oops, was that libelous?
<jcater> well, maybe libelous was wrong word
<dyfet-away> assuming your not violating any eula's in exercising free speech :)
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<jcater> no carnivore... stay away... it was a joke!!
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<jbailey> Carnivores?  Yuck. =)
<neilt>  /msg fbi_handler, no that was jcater he's ok
<dyfet> Oh, I have some news...
<dyfet> A new 0.7.0 release of Bayonne is comming out shortly
<dyfet> er...GNU Bayonne :)
<neilt> dneighbo: is it true that we did not release any software in september?
<Mr_You> heh
<dyfet> Now I wish I released Bayonne a week earlier :)
<dyfet> Well, it's not too late to backdate the bayonne tarball 24 hours...
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<dneighbo> be back in an hour
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<mdean> derek: is you there?
<derek> im here
<mdean> what did you do for account/contact notes?
<derek> what do you mean
<derek> ah hold on
<derek> i have not done it yet :)
<derek> its just note or notes or something in the tables
<derek> it needs to be
<derek> account_notes
<derek> contact_notes
<derek> tables like the others i just didnt do it yet
<derek> i can do now though and send as i had started i think
<mdean> ok - I was going to start putting that together in DCL
<derek> give me like 10 minutes maybe?
<derek> have one emergency mail to respond to then will fix and send to you
<mdean> ok
<derek> jcater: you here?
<derek> mdean has a project dcl (that you should be using if you havent converted yet)
<jcater> here
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<jcater> really?
<derek> but beyond that i think there is good possiblity for him to use our data manager idea
<jcater> when did this happen?
<derek> i.e. XML files for update/create/delete of tables at install/upgrade time
<derek> mdean: is author of Double Choco Latte
<derek> and he has oracle support now :)
<jcater> oh, I though you were saying he had a different dcl
<mdean> <cough>untested</cough>
<jcater> yip, we've been using it about a month now
<jcater> (not the Oraclized version)
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> does this mean I'll have to recompile PHP w/Oracle support?
<derek> jcater: if you arent using oracle support dont :)
<derek> as oracle isnt free :)
<derek> but if you wanted to test the install for mdean he would probably like it :)
<jcater> well, there would be advantages to me going to an Oracle install since all our stuff is on oracle
<jcater> (advantages w/backup rotation, custom reports)
<jcater> (although he already gives us perty complicated reporting options :)
<derek> jcater well i plan on him using our report engine too :)
<derek> and contact manager
<derek> um trying to marry gnue and dcl :)
<derek>  /msg jcater and he seems to be falling for it, stoopid sucka
<jcater> well, what's the hold up w/him using our report engine?
<jcater> oh yeah, I haven't finished it
<jcater> sigh... I need more hours in the day
<jcater> mdean: btw, excellent project. I've testing many (many) project management products, and your model provides the most bang for the buck
<jcater> testing=tested
<jcater> IOW: it's actually usable
<mdean> hehe - thanks!
<derek> jcater: actually expects zero bucks to produce a 'bang'
<derek> silly rabbit
<jcater> well, given that, it produces one hell of a bang for the money involved
<derek> mdean: patch on way
<derek> its just a diff against cvs
<derek> so it includes other patch as well
<mdean> derek: ok - thanks!
<derek> i think i just scared the sales man
<derek> he comes to door with two giant doggies barking
<derek> and i ask what he has, he says papa john stuff
<derek> hmmmm
<derek> ask price and what it is, not letting him do sales pitch... he says free pizza i say how much he says 25 bucks, i say do you take checks
<derek> and its done....
<derek> he was kinda like thinking i have a serious pizza addiction or something :)
<jcater> you mean your giant GNU superhero painted on your driveway and your license plate that reads "ITSFREE" doesn't scare them off automatically
<derek> a giant 'its free' sticker on my hoopty, would probably lead someone to deduce they meant i was begging people to take the car
<derek> speaking of which of m$ licensing gets much worse i think i might slap a 'Don't laugh its paid for' on my computers ;)
<jcater> rofl
<jcater> how about "FREE IT"
<derek> jcater: it was a joke, but seriously even now licenses are so expensive we 'lease' at the county
<derek> so techically thier stuff isnt 'paid for'
<jcater> yuck
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<derek> btw: the new 'upgrade policy' in first year could cost county over 100,000 in just 'difference' of what was expected
<jcater> wow
<derek> mdean: so you implementing all these changes ?
<jcater> I think you scared him away
<derek> i created the tables but havent started the ui's yet
<jcater> I know you'd scare me if you actually sent patches our way :)
<derek> not quite sure how i want to do it
<derek> as there are two distinct views
<derek> one from the company that looks at accounts then derives contacts
<derek> and one that deals with contacts and then looks at accounts
<derek> though in this instance we are less of the 'home' user approach so probably better to go from premise you find the account
<derek> and get a list of contacts
Action: derek will mock something up here soon
Action: derek needs to hunt some caffienated liquid down
<jcater> derek: http://www.9lupine.com/blogger/dewdeath.html
<jcater> be careful!
<jcater> ROFLMAO
<jcater> there's a faq for caffeine:
<jcater> http://www.cs.unb.ca/~alopez-o/Coffee/caffaq.html
<derek> roflmao
<derek> well it would take over 260 cans for me
<derek> 45 or so 12 packs a day, no problem ;)
<derek>  Probably more importantly, before you ever got this much caffeine in your system the sugar content would put you into an insulin coma. The sugar'd kill ya long before the caffeine did.
<derek> is classic
<derek> oh i cant stop laughing
<derek> Caffeine-Induced Organic Mental Disorder 305.90 Caffeine Intoxication
<derek> there is a real disorder for caffiene overdose
<mdean> derek: ja - I'm implementing the changes rat now
<derek> *  At least five of the following signs:
<derek>    1. restlessness
<derek>    2. nervousness
<derek>    3. excitement
<derek>    4. insomnia
<derek>    5. flushed face
<derek>    6. diuresis
<derek>    7. gastrointestinal disturbance
<derek>    8. muscle twitching
<derek>    9. rambling flow of thought and speech
<derek>   10. tachycardia or cardiac arrhythmia
<derek>   11. periods of inexhaustibility
<derek>   12. psychomotor agitation
<derek> 8 explains a lot of what i see at the linux world expos :)
<jcater> rofl
<jcater> #2 and #3... and I thought it had to do with the goats
<derek> get this they are talking about lethal doses
<derek>  One exceptional case documents survival after ingesting 24 grams. The minimum lethal dose ever reported was 3.2 grams intravenously, this does not represent the oral MLD (minimum lethal dose).
<derek> must have been a programmer
<derek> 24 GRAMS of caffiene
<derek> thats one wired bastard
<derek> a vivarin has 200mg if that puts the 24g in any sort of perspective
<jcater> ouch
<jcater> how in the world do you ingest that much?
<jcater> rob a walgreens after your buddies tell you it's crack?
<derek>  The toxic dose is going to vary from person to person, depending primarily on built-up tolerance. A couple people report swallowing 10 to 13 vivarin and ending up in the hospital with their stomaches pumped, while a few say they've taken that many and barely stayed awake.
<derek> 10 or 13 and not stay awake? (definitely geeks)
<derek> i get caffiene gut all the time
<derek> on saturdays i cant get up
<derek> and if i hit fridge and tehre is cold two liter of dew i will suck about the whole thing down w/o thinking
<derek> then get cramped up like all get out
<derek> if i sludge a donut or two down first no ill effects :)
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<jcater> mmm... donuts
<jcater> I was trying to figure out what to do for dinner
<jcater> thanks, derek!
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<derek> dew washes down kk quite nicely (imho)
<jcater> rofl:
<jcater> in the faq:
<jcater> How to make your own chocolate
<jcater> Here's the recipe for making a real chocolate beverage. Important steps are in boldface. 
<jcater> Ingredients
<jcater> 1-2kg (2-4pounds) of cocoa beans. 
<jcater> A manually operated grinder. 
<nickr> mmm donuts
<jcater> hehe...OAKLAND, California (UPI) -- Coffee may be good for life. A major study has found fewer suicides among coffee drinkers than those who abstained from the hot black brew. 
<nickr> because it causes minor euphoria
<jcater> what they don't mention are people deprived of coffee after becoming addicted
<jcater> (omg, my starbucks closed down! <jump>)
<derek> rofl
<derek> coffee is gross
<jcater> yip
<derek> freaking getting killed by support emails today
<derek> calagon take me away
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<mdean> derek: if I prefix the table names with dcl_, how much effort does that require to change an existing forms app?
<mdean> just a quick tweak?
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<derek> um lets see
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<derek>   <datasource name="dtsrcEmailType" database="dtbsGNUe" table="accounts" cache="5" prequery="" />
<derek> would have to be chagned to
<derek>   <datasource name="dtsrcEmailType" database="dtbsGNUe" table="dcl_accounts" cache="5" prequery="" />
<derek> in one spot per form :)
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<mdean> derek: cool - I'm going to prefix them then (had a few requests to put prefixes on so multiple apps can be installed in one db)
<derek> yikes
<derek> thats bad form
<derek> not prefixing per say
<derek> but lots of apps single db about only place i could justify it is something like virtual hosting whree someone only gets one db assigned to htem
<mdean> some people have no choice, tho - like sf.net gives you one db
<mdean> yep
<derek> yip
<derek> you know what would be nice
<derek> well never mind
<derek> just prefix it
<derek> was thinking at install time you could give option to prefix or not
<mdean> ja - someone else wanted to be able to pick the prefix, which would be about the same amount of work
<mdean> have you got the XML schema for your DDL tool figured out?  or I could start with what I did for the phpgw schema_proc classes
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<derek> um
<derek> we do have it i think
<derek> jcater should be back very soon
<derek> he is only 10 minutes from home
<derek> but was going ot stop by krispy kreme :)
<derek> he has it
<mdean> ok
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<derek> 10th techsupport 'email' tonight....
<derek> i think im down to only 3 more left
<derek> jcater: what is state of our xml query stuff
<derek> i know you had something dummied up at one point
<derek> mdean wants to implement in php
<derek> so if we have a start of an xml spec that we could work from
<derek> we might have a guinea pig
<jcater> um
<jcater> I'll have to look around
<jcater> it's probably in the reports directory
<jcater> in the reports directory
<jcater> there is a GRSqlToXml.py script in the reports directory
<jcater> if you feed it a SELECT statement, it spits back out
<jcater> an XML markup
<jcater> I'll have to look around for the actual docs, though
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<mdean> ah - so you don't have one to do DDL?
<jcater> There were two things I was working on
<jcater> one was an XML-Query spec (what I was just telling you about)
<jcater> the other was a schema markup
<jcater> sounds like you are asking about the latter
<jcater> lemme look
<mdean> ja - do you have a spec for it?  I did something similar for phpGW that I could translate to XML
<derek> i HATE mail problems
<derek> mdean: well jcater has something even more evil :)
<derek> it breaks tables into gnue packaging groups
<jcater> mdean: http://www.ncsmags.com/gnue/ExtendingGNUe.txt
<derek> but i think that is relevant to phpgw at lease
<derek> least
<derek> because it would allow to maintain
<derek> say calendar from contact etc
<derek> in grand scheme
<derek> please give us feedback
<derek> jcater: i think also we could make the package stuff wrapper
<derek> and the otehr stuff universal
<jcater> mdean: it has not been polished, so any comments are certainly welcome
<derek> so any ubiquitious datahandling project could reuse
<derek> the table/column/row stuff...
<derek> so you could use with or without packaging portions
<jcater> hmm.. I need to move that to ash :)
<derek> yeah man move your ash
<mdean> how do you plan to handle schema upgrades?  say the ap_payment_terms increases description to size 50?
<jcater> it would be the responsibility of the specific db driver to issue an alter table, for example
<mdean> right - but how would you determine the need for an upgrade?  and exactly what DDL needs to be executed to gracefully perform it without data loss?
<mdean> course, my example doesn't involve data loss ;-)
<jcater> well, the driver would know how to read the schema details for its brand of database
<jcater> of course, I guess this isn't flawless
<jcater> If the field is a primary key, you can't exactly change it
<mdean> you're not planning on doing a "diff" style upgrade, are you?
<mdean> ja re: pk
<jcater> well, it's not flawless
<jcater> it does require some future planning on the part of the designer
<jcater> If your whole model is changing, this won't provide for a seemless upgrade
<mdean> right
<jcater> It needs some sort of "translation" upgrading, but I suppose this is a "diff" style system
<jcater> or a minimum requirement style definition
<mdean> this is a very important consideration when skipping versions
<jcater> mdean: you are requiring me to think
<jcater> that's not nice :)
<mdean> hehe
<mdean> have you seen what I did with phpGW?
<jcater> no
<jcater> btw, my initial thinking on those specs were "Extending" systems
<jcater> not necessarily upgradingh"
<mdean> yeah - I like the extending part
<jcater> so it is a little lacking in that area
<derek> im thinking that in the upgrading part
<derek> for non data loss stuff its straight forward
<derek> alter table and move along
<derek> for data loss you need a way to map
<derek> so that a temp table is created
<derek> and dumped to
<derek> original table gets dropped and recreated
<derek> adn then reloaded with the temporary dump
<jcater> that poses it's own set of problems, of course
<derek> i didnt say would be easy
<derek> but it is possible
<derek> i would say for now we focus on the 'incremental' upgrade
<derek> not the 'you poor bastard' upgrade :)
<derek> but we should be thinking about it :)
<jcater> hehe... once we get integrator working, just tell them to keep the old system up and running and "integrate" it with the new one :)
<derek> btw: mdean we have issues as we have class files, forms, reports etc (on top of just schemas)
<derek> and of course the tools get upgrades too :)
<derek> so we need a lot more answers than just this :)
<derek> as you could feasibly upgrade a tool w/o upgrading your reports/forms/tables etc
<derek> or vice versa
<jcater> yip... I was new to the project when I wrote that
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<jcater> s/at the time//
<derek> im thinking we will have something like an apt-get type thing
<derek> for our stuff eventually
<mdean> yes - it sounds like an incremental upgrade process needs to take place
<derek> that is gnue specific
<mdean> process == programmatic
<jbailey> derek: Thinking of apt, I finally have my gnupg key back. =)  
<derek> yeah
<derek> roflmao
<derek> i just went to the potty, i came out and left the lid up
<derek> my 3 year tells me ' daddy can you fix it, when we go potty we dont like it like that'
<jcater> derek: do we really need to knwo this?
<derek> sounds just like my wife ;)
<jcater> lol
<mdean> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/phpgroupware/setup/doc/setup3.txt?rev=1.2&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
<mdean> hope that works - this is how phpGW handles upgrades - maybe some useful info in there
<derek> hmmm possibly
<derek> it seems somewhat similar to the xml way
<derek> i want to make sure we do an xml way thats useful to any freesoftware project
<derek> as this is a big issue
<derek> i hope to make a gui for it as well
<derek> or use dia etc
<mdean> yeah - I wrote those classes outside of phpgw
<derek> and use for integrator, but i digress
<mdean> :)
<mdean> difference is that phpGW relies on the developer to write schema upgrades
<mdean> not needed if your "customers" utilize every upgrade
<mdean> but that is a bit far fetched to expect in production environments
<derek> right
<derek> im proposing for now we make an xml schema that makes sense and works
<derek> that is the incremental upgrade (the unrealistic model) for now
<derek> as it allows those following a cvs type environment to follow along
<derek> and then we start a more elaborate non-incremental way to deal with things
<derek> we can use xml-rpc to make it sound cool even ;)
<mdean> lol
<mdean> SOAP Schema(tm)
<derek> take the xml-rpc foo and wash it with some SOAP to get clean Java Beans.  Thus avoiding CORBA snakes without using a .net.
<mdean> hmmmm - I wonder if there's a book for that...
<jcater> yes
<jcater> "Recovering from Crack Addiction"
<mdean> Crack?  or Caffeine?
<jcater> yes
<mdean> hehe
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<jcater> there's a difference?
<mdean> spelling
<jcater> ah
<jcater> a regional difference perhaps (like pop vs coke vs soda?)
<mdean> yeah
<jcater> I call it crack, you call it caffeine, and derek, well, he just calls it mountain dew
<derek> rofl
<derek> i prefer dr.pepper
<derek> BUT
<derek> diet mtn. dew tastes better than diet dr.pepper
<mdean> my daughter used to call it Mountain Dude
<derek> so if coke is on sale its diet coke
<mdean> gives a nice twist to "Do the Dew"
<derek> if pepsi is on sale its diet mtn dew
<derek> mdean: rofl
<derek> we have a kids pizza place here
<derek> called 
<derek> peter piper pizza (lots of video games and the such)
<derek> my 3 year old calls it 'peter hyper pizza'
<derek> which is more 'appropriate' really
<mdean> lol
<derek> hey i think i just dug out of support email
<derek> mdean: you have screen shots of what you are doing
<derek> or care to explain how you see the UI fo rthe contact stuff so i can 'borrow' ideas?
<mdean> no - but I know what I'm going to do
<mdean> ok
<derek> what you going to do (btw i will build the type table editors first, so you can QUICKLY enter types :)
<mdean> there's the account detail that shows the account table fields
<mdean> then
<mdean> a section each for email, phone, address, notes, etc
<mdean> each section shows either all or some of the items for that account
<mdean> possibly a list of contacts (but would be better in a separate partial list)
<mdean> each email, phone, address, etc has a like to edit/delete or add a new one
<mdean> contacts will be done the same way
<mdean> make sense?
<derek> hmmm
<derek> kind of
<derek> need a visual me thinks
<derek> i was thinking of doing something like
<derek> company ___________________________
<derek> other info ________________-
<derek> address ____________________
<derek> blah _______________-
<derek> then doing
<derek> first name        last name     phone
<derek> in a grid or something
<derek> and if you clicked on the contact it popped up the contact record for that person
<derek> OR
<derek> do the account on one tab
<derek> then have a contact tab
<derek> and if you go to it it has contacts
<derek> i can think of about 10 diff ways actually
<derek> not sure i like any of them too much
<derek> thats why im asking you :)
<derek> been LONG time since i saw CRM stuff
<mdean> if you show a contact list, you'll probably want to make the list a partial set
<mdean> and browse through it like 25 at a time or something
<jcater> nite all
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<derek> mdean that is all handled via gnue
<derek> there is a property on datasets called 'cache'
<derek> it lets you set the 'buffer'
<derek> and then in the grid it would only show a finite number at one time
<mdean> nice
<derek> ok im caught up on mail
<derek> ready to make some screens
<derek> where are you putting this stuff?
<derek> so i can make appropriate directories in my local cvs copy
<mdean> nowhere yet - I'm working on DDL
<derek> ok where do you want it :)
<derek> gnue forms (gfds)
<mdean> change all pgsql columns to default nextval constraints
<derek> mdean: you want me to do that, or you are?
<mdean> a gnue directory would be cool
<mdean> I'm doing it
<derek> or your pissed i did on some ? 
<derek> ok
<derek> whew
<mdean> pretty much done
<mdean> now merging your contact/account tables into upgrade script
<derek> cool
<derek> let me know when done and i will check it out from cvs and create the db here to test as well
<derek> so you want say
<derek>  ~/cvs/dcl/gnue/
<derek> ?
<derek> oh wait i have that dir already....
<derek> hmmm
<derek> snap i have some .gfd's out there
<derek> did i send them to you already. ;)
<derek> amazing what you find lying around
<derek> what do you use for default dbname?
<derek> dcl/
<mdean> yep
<mdean> you want write access to dcl cvs?
<derek> nah
<derek> not yet
<derek> that infers im willing to get blamed :)
<derek> i have an id on sourceforge if you want to add me to the project
<mdean> hehe - already on it!
<derek> and then if it gets to be im sending you too many patches it will be easy to turn it on
<derek> you have working gnuef right?
<mdean> you can just maintain the /gnue directory if you want
<mdean> yep
<derek> as i might produce an on slaught here in a minute :)
<mdean> you're in - you can maintain the gnue/ directory and send patches for the rest if you like
<derek> ok
<derek> crap, i think i have expiremental version of forms right now
<derek> darn darn darn
<derek> and getting new cvs will require an upgrade of python
<derek> maybe i wont be churning it out tonight :(
<mdean> you still on 1.5.x?
<derek> yeah
<derek> only cause lazy, not for any techical reason (and only on my laptop, elsewhere im 2.x)
<mdean> I'm on 2.0 on my desktop - d/l ActiveState Py 2.1.1 for my laptop
<derek> im running activestate at work (winblows)
<derek> trying to get some com crap to work
<derek> crap crap crap
Action: derek smacks self
<derek> minor problem boss :)
<derek> forms doesnt play well with column names as it doesnt wrap the calls with ""
<derek> so column desc fails
<derek> but column "desc" doesnt
<derek> see the issue :)
<mdean> uhhhhh
<derek> i thought hmm desc is probably bad col name when i did it
<mdean> ah
<mdean> how boot descr
<derek> or description
<derek> im a verbose kind of guy
<derek> either will wrok for more though
<derek> forms really needs to be fixed to "" the column names
<mdean> ja
<derek> let me see if thats a 5 minute hack or not 
<derek> not easy change 
<derek> well might not be too bad but need to ask jcater or jamest questions
<derek> so we can either change or wait till tomorrw
<mdean> probably easier to change
<derek> im changing now
<derek> want patch :)
<derek> i noticed in other tables you spelled description out
<mdean> patch for patch?
<derek> so iam as well
<mdean> ok
<derek> yip patch for patch for patch
<derek> though probably easier to search and replace in emacs
<derek> than send you a patch
<derek> i think there are only like 5 occurrances
<derek> much better one form down
<derek> another form down
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<chillywilly> darn no neilt?
<chillywilly> I need to thank him for thie gret book
<chillywilly> great
<chillywilly> Pyhton Essential Reference
<chillywilly> pretty cool
<chillywilly> he mailed it to me
<chillywilly> that was very cool of him :)
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<derek> another one down :)
<derek> squi
<chillywilly> squi?
<derek> s' qui
<derek> er
<derek> s'oui
<derek> not qui :)
<chillywilly> uh, ok
<derek> i used to work on as a warehouse manager
<derek> these guys were really perverted
<derek> well you see they used to say
<derek> 'sweet' all the time
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<derek> wow that car is sweet 
<derek> etc
<derek> then one night they got a girlie magazine called Oui
<derek> so it went from sweeeet
<chillywilly> it was french?
<derek> to s oui
<derek> oui -- sounds like weeeee
<derek> so they would say
<chillywilly> yea
<derek> s'oui mag
<chillywilly> yes in french right?
<derek> all the time
<derek> yip
<derek> and its just stuck with me to this day....
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<chillywilly> hey I wanna demo GNUe some time at our LUG
<chillywilly> what di you think o' masta
<chillywilly> s/di/do
<mdean> night y'all
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<derek> poop i missed him
<derek> i think good idea
<derek> i am planning to do so at mine
<derek> maybe i will give you the slides
<derek> or vice versa
<chillywilly> okie dokie
<chillywilly> I think I am gonna learn how to do magic point or something
<derek> i went to play magicpoint (its really cool) but the docs suck etc
<derek> and i started to think you know what
<derek> i dont have time for this
<chillywilly> ok
<derek> and i got staroffice and its wonderful
<derek> presentations in seconds
<derek> very very nice
<chillywilly> marcus brikmann has a whole Hurd presentation done in magic point
<chillywilly> he gave the talk at the LSM
<nickr> its very nice
<chillywilly> I think I'll look at his files
<derek> i just have no desire to learn hard to learn software that i use infrequently
<chillywilly> nickr: yes it is
<chillywilly> nickr: I am really loving thr mach reference guide he threw together....now maybe some of use mortals can understand Mach
<nickr> Yea :)
<chillywilly> now we only need the Hurd reference Guide updated and then we have somewhere to point ppl and something to use to learn
<chillywilly> he told me he was gonna take a stab at it
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<chillywilly> New Riders has some other kewl books
<chillywilly> heh, I didn't know Havos wrote a book on KDE Development too
<chillywilly> er Havoc
<chillywilly> he's got gtk+/gnome gpp development and kde app development
<chillywilly> s/gpp/app
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<chillywilly> derek: you can't leave my channel
<chillywilly> no fair
<derek> huh?
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<chillywilly> :(
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