well - PySablot appears to function - I think I'll write the XSL transforms for the DDL tomorrow night sweet guess you are forcing me to get pysablot working :) I had to change the setup.py to get it to work Action: dneighbo is rather excited with the progress so far the last three libraries it was linking were not on my system, but were clearly from expat so I changed it to link against sablot and expat only - voila chillywilly (danielb@d129.as12.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. time for bed - night y'all mdean (mdean@arc11x25.kcnet.com) left irc: Client Exiting perlh (a@202.9.144.242) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. kept losing my teraterm window uggh heh what is teraterm? term proggie? wincrap ssh/telnet prog, good free one why you using wincrap? can't wait til I can get back to my debian setup what happened to your debian box? well for one, my lame sys commander expired so I gotta reinstall ;-) I still have the one server sys commander? why not just use GRUB :P which reminds me, I want to update it k well, because in the long run I want to netboot how does netboot work? this is remotely booting over the network right? Mr_You putty is better than terra term ;) perlh (a@202.9.144.242) left irc: Ping timeout for perlh[202.9.144.242] yeah file system and/or kernel is available over the local network man that bass player made me feel good he loved these tunes I wrote ways back heh SCTV dres (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Ping timeout for dres[4.18.171.42] dres (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. perlh (a@202.9.144.242) joined #gnuenterprise. Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) left irc: night reinhard how is geas restructuring (methods) going? hi dneighbo hello perlh (a@202.9.144.242) left irc: Read error to perlh[202.9.144.242]: No route to host how would you guys feel about remote monitoring and remote updating of GNUe services? that would be cool eh? explain s'il vous plait if you please haha haha - thats a good explaination, but not very marketable :) umm, like remote monitoring of services like way if theor server goes wodn or what not....say we hav new versions of packages then everyone can get updated....this could just be something totally separate s/wodn/down I just noticed that this oe GNU/Linux-based company has some remote monitoring service and remote uodate service thing going it looked cool anyway tryin to find out if it is Free Software that they are using would be doable yes would be pretty kick butt good idea ? somewhat marketable? no really :( they seem to be making some cash why not o' masta? the monitoring side perhaps, but general for business software poeple dont like 'automatic' upgrades :) they like upgrades to be easy but they like to be in 'control' of the upgrade well the example that the guy talked about was automagic security fixes for apache or what not that idea is incompatible with our goals of world domination screw you ajmitch :P mere users do not have control users merely exist for the satisfaction of the admin ya, they do what we tell them to do I guess it would be different for user apps they probably wouldn't like if the software changed on them over night hehe but ppl should be able to initiate the process or something hokey like that and then the GNUe wizard goes to town ya that's the ticket dneighbo: you still awake? dneighbo: neilt has brought python methods into a working and usable state based on andrewms code and AFAIK he and jcater plan to work together on fleshing out what parts of future methods code can be shared and under what conditions reinhard not only am i still awake but im actually still at work :) ? at this hour? yip why? i left to go home at like 3pm and came back at 7:30pm its 2am and im packing it up to go home now what are you doing? what were you doing? well mainframe team has had trouble getting me 'actuals' they finally got me good data what are actuals? so im had an emergency rush to back port budget vs actuals and projections for past 2 months with deadline of tomorrow morning for board meeting actuals are what you actually spent for an accounting period :) oh, ok how did you do? good spend too much? oh that, im not in charge of that im just in charge of making darn things tie out got all but three agencies to tie out which means what? that the variance is zero Action: chillywilly doesn't know any friggin accounting you crunching numbers on the mainframe? the two that are off one is because the accounting system let some charge money with an incomplete accoutning string (bad bad system) and the other one is an allocation problem i dont feel like fscking with right now :) good news is this about when i go to bed sometimes anyhow ya, but speak english plz :P only now i get tomorrow off :) nice shit so it will be a gnue day ;) I need to go to bed anyhow im out l8r btw: good monring :) hehe as it is morning where you are at now morning dneighbo (dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com) left irc: BitchX: now with Olestra! chillywilly (danielb@d129.as12.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Read error to chillywilly[d129.as12.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net]: EOF from client Nick change: reinhard -> rm-away perlh (a@202.9.144.242) joined #gnuenterprise. rm-away (rm@62.47.44.71) left irc: Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est. -- Aurelius Augustinus nickr (nick@sdsl-64-32-227-138.dsl.nyc.megapath.net) left irc: Read error to nickr[sdsl-64-32-227-138.dsl.nyc.megapath.net]: Connection reset by peer nickr (nick@sdsl-64-32-227-138.dsl.nyc.megapath.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (jbailey@65.93.1.120) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o jamest' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ neilt (neilt@dialup-166.90.70.150.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ perlh (a@202.9.144.242) left #gnuenterprise. neilt (neilt@dialup-166.90.70.150.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) left irc: bbs chillywilly (danielb@d58.as1.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Action: chillywilly is a creature of the night tho Action: chillywilly is listening to Jim Morrison and Jimi Hendrix jam to this tripped out tune....sounds like a recording of a jam session they sound stoned out of their mind it's called "Fsck Her in the Ass"....er, you extrapolate the real term used XiDEX form #hurd gave it to me a while back scotty says, "Software shoulde be Free man" ok not that I had anything to do with that ;) no siree, it wasn't me he's just a very enlightened little boy takes after his mom....dad's pretty THICK ya know ToyMan (stuq@c5300-1-ip165.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: Client Exiting ToyMan (stuq@c5300-1-ip165.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: jbailey is away: I'm busy jbailey (jbailey@65.93.1.120) left irc: Ping timeout for jbailey[65.93.1.120] http://www.stoppoliceware.org/rip_mix_burn_jail.php is funny jbailey (jbailey@65.93.1.120) joined #gnuenterprise. derek: it is also a fucking flash thingy ToyMan (stuq@c5300-1-ip165.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: Client Exiting jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: Read error to jcater[w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net]: Connection reset by peer god (4GOD@pC19F8B81.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. god (4GOD@pC19F8B81.dip.t-dialin.net) left #gnuenterprise. i got the flash thingy to work under galeon now , so i quit bitching :) now if only i could get quicktime to work but it is non-free dude there's a project that lets you use all winblows plugins I think you gotta pay for the software though and of course it is non-free I think they were at the expo codeweavers i assume yes i know its not free i didnt say i 'liked' flash just now i can view it at least Action: chillywilly is downloading emacs 21.0.106 Action: jamest is learning once again that he shouldn't dare try and build software on a unix OS unless it's linux neilt (neilt@dialup-166.90.86.244.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ reinhard (rm@62.47.44.71) joined #gnuenterprise. lol, so it's not a GNU/Linux issue this time er? it's a all /bin/sh's are in reality bash issue and only an implied if your /bin/sh isn't bash then why aren't you running GNU/Linux if you wanna have a portable shell script you program to /bin/sh yes, yes you do however wxGTK programs to bash slap them i don't have a trout use your hand then :P q'q woop rofl if somebody wants a quick laugh reinhard: ? microsoft.at is the official domain of microsoft austria try telnet mail.microsoft.at 25 haha what the? is that a real M$ site? yep dres (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error to dres[4.18.171.42]: Connection reset by peer dres (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. look at www.microsoft.at but i guess they have a provider who unfortunately uses suse :) haha Action: jamest smirks I told this one guy about it and he's like so I don't care what M$ uses...blah...blah I hate that guy I don;t know whay I tlak to him talk Action: chillywilly put him on /ignore he's nice to you fpr a while then he'll start being a putz anyone using gcc 3 yet Action: chillywilly has it installed not compiling anything with it er, haven't anyway emacs 21 is sexy uses much nicer fonts like xemacs does ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/unreadable/pretest/ how is it? much nicer how so? well the fonts are nicer looks like xemacs almost in that respect anyway oh and the toolkit is nicer and has icons the gui hehe I am the psychotherapist. Please, describe your problems. Each time you are finished talking, type RET twice. the emacs psychiatrist :P chillywilly: that is old afaik well I didn't knwo about it I think it is funny M-x psychoanalye-pinhead haha My ELBOW is a remote FRENCH OUTPOST!! Possibly this could be the reason for your sex life? hehe Action: jbailey is away: I'm busy Action: jbailey is back (gone 00:00:02) I would appreciate it if you would continue. Yow! Am I in Milwaukee? Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. lol I skipped this tech expo here today.. basicly would have been $10 to listen to some Yahoo guy talk (not the original yahoo guy) cause the rest of it wasn't much interest.. I should hold some HIGH Tech Expo should have gone just to go, but oh well heh I do plan on having open-houses/events demonstrating Debian, GNUe, etc that would be kewl I think I am gonna demonstrate GNUe at my LUG one of these months word hmm.. I guess I'm in a good mood today cause I got a unemployment check heh gonna start on some work heheh well "work", if anyone from the State is listening ;-) slavery doesn't count as work neilt (neilt@dialup-166.90.86.244.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) left irc: hmm you can actually pass and create and such CORBA objects? oh BTW, my contractor said CSC didn't want to "pull the trigger" yet on that job interview, etc maybe a month away CSC? you contractor? you got a job setup? Tek Systems is my contractor.. working with CSC/IBM who has contracts with General Dynamics/Lucent (respectfully) in the same building ... I would have been working exactly one floor above my old desk, actual physical space directly above (so I'm told) yeah I was expecting an interview this week or next, but they said not yet working with a guy that I worked with at Lucent who changed jobs while I was there they are a head hunter? can talk your head off but a good guy pretty much yeah being a contractor is pretty cool, gets you any job any where pretty quick and they get you the best rate no security tho most are temp to perm tho but I think some large companies will let you stay as contractor gets you a lot of experience real quick real quick like 9 months neilt (neilt@dialup-166.90.86.244.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ man users (or their software) can be persistant the same user has tried to use the mail server 94 times now as an open relay all on the same message good thing that computers are persistant, too (normally) yip lol a post on slashdot "Actually, QT is GPL, Gtk+ *is not*." i checked and the poster is right still free software jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Gnome ppl are infatiuated with the LGPL that's not why it's funny it's funny cause the QT under the GPL isn't free enough for alot of GNOME users that are perfectly content using GTK under it's more commercial friendly license they are hypocrites....it has only been a matter of taste for ht emost part....althought Gnome is the GNU desktop jamest: now, now. are you harrasing the gnome-ites again? neilt: you'll be happy to know we just got confirmation on your copyright assignment neilt: you want cvs access now? :) rofl jamest: seriously? reinhard: yes, he was listed but then IIRC I was looking thru our listings and noticed his name had been removed ToyMan (stuq@c5300-1-ip136.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. we don't know what happened but he had to resubmit :) jamest: yeah neilt's assignment was lost thats ok because everything done while i did not have assignement is copyright by me and you all cant use it :P but they wont take a GNU program to keep track of assignments because its not in emacs AND Action: chillywilly whips out the salmon wait a minute they dont want to scan them into pdf or such and store digital copies cause they already have a 'drawer' full neilt: i guess you assigned "all past and future changes" if i use it i might go broke wait a minute, i disavow all knowledge of any thing i have done and carving copies into the cave walls was taking way too much time derek: so there are hopes that they will use gnue as soon as our emacs front end is done? and the time honored practice of passing the information as a narative to their children wasn't accurate enough :) reinhard: they probably did not notice that i retyped the assigment and just changed a few minor words :) lol you've got the same sort of typewriter as they have? yep, its called a laser printer then i ran it through the copier 50 times iirc the assignment i got was looking like it was typed on a mechanic typewriter so it looked real i would have expected it to be written in texinfo actually :) but obviously it was no not enough work for todoay l8r all reinhard (rm@62.47.44.71) left irc: Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est. -- Aurelius Augustinus wtf does that mean? anyone know/ ? nope, dont have latin translator babelfish? hmmmm Action: chillywilly tried to translate Action: chillywilly is away: I'm busy l8r jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: [x]chat Action: chillywilly is back (gone 00:05:23) Nick change: neilt -> neil-away Action: chillywilly is away: I'm busy stuq (stuq@c5300-4-ip74.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. anyone home? looking for derek ToyMan (stuq@c5300-1-ip136.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: Ping timeout for ToyMan[c5300-1-ip136.albany.thebiz.net] stuq (stuq@c5300-4-ip74.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: [x]chat derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Ping timeout for derek[cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net] chillywilly (danielb@d58.as1.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Ping timeout for chillywilly[d58.as1.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net] ToyMan (stuq@c5300-4-ip74.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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ToyMan: im here now mdean: i got stuck getting 'errands' done all day today then took a power nap and have church tonight so wont get to look at that stuff until tomorrow probably :( errands? or honey-dos? errands i have been having 'fuzzy' vision for a bit, decided to see the eye doctor in past 8 months my perscription has gotten twice as strong wow my new contacts make me wonder how the hell i have been living the past 8 months i can see, i can see :) hehe then had to have windsheild replaced on car and had to do the bills and 8 months from now? ah windshield will suck down some time uggh.. java developers well that gives us competition python is better ;P python kinds sucks for running a GUI in a browser though but no one really uses browser-based java applets ;-) only because m$ killed them great idea, but not standard way to do it *shrug* I haven't used a decent browser-based java app, besides IRC and ssh clients. neilt: ? applets never took off in my opinion w/ or w/o m$ support servlets and jsp are where most java webdevelopment has been I think lots of people use Java just because its backed by a big company.. but then I guess GTK and others are just now beginning to mature.. derek: you ever write a java applet once very very simple one klunky as hell will I have a very extensive ones and its impossible to make it work rofl on microsoft and netscape Action: Mr_You just found globalretailtech.com you simply cant do it thats what killed java apps pretty much Action: jbailey is back (gone 01:04:26) that and apps in the browser just werent really accepted sorry java applets m$ activeX that can be done in browsers just didnt really fly either yes, will active x is not compatable with netscape there are some things that should not be done on the server but since you cant get compatibility on the browser everyone is forced to do it in the server actually java applets are pretty cool i can run on my local machine without having an http server running or i can run over the internet from an http server and you dont have to do anything to the applet i can also compile into a local applications that does not run in a browser same code, no changes but you have to write for one browser or the other IE has fast vm, I guess mozilla is better, maybe netscape killed java applets ;-) nah, ppl just do not have the patience to wait for them to download yikes chillywilly: look at all of the streaming media actually that is not an issue now it was several years ago the porn industry is the only thing keeping Java apples going ;) er applets *shrug* I never see streaming media java applets guess cause I don't go to commercial porn sites or any porn websites in general, god window madness are there educational and non-profit porn sites? disable javascript. =) are there any non-educational porn sites Yes - the ones you've been to already. haha right, good one rofl you know what we need a good free GNU forum/CMS/Web Protal software that will let you use more than mysql and will not use gifs Action: chillywilly is sick of updating phpNuke and having to degif it ToyMan (stuq@c5300-4-ip74.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: [x]chat neilt (neilt@dialup-166.90.86.244.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) left irc: Ping timeout for neilt[dialup-166.90.86.244.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] SachaS (schlegel@ken.cs.curtin.edu.au) joined #gnuenterprise. mdean (mdean@arc10x46.kcnet.com) left irc: Ping timeout for mdean[arc10x46.kcnet.com] SachaS (schlegel@ken.cs.curtin.edu.au) left irc: [x]chat Action: jbailey is away: back in 5minutes Action: jbailey is back (gone 00:01:01) cats like to hear their name sung hehe mdean (mdean@arc10x82.kcnet.com) joined #gnuenterprise. weirdo eh ? jbailey (jbailey@65.93.1.120) left #gnuenterprise (Client Exiting). 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