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<perlh> hi all
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<chillywilly> still up man?
<perlh> hi chillywilly
<chillywilly> oh hey there perlh
<perlh> yeah
<chillywilly> no
<chillywilly> :P
<nickr> yay perl
<chillywilly> yay python
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<chillywilly> dude my linux perl script emulation rox
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<jcater> howdy y'all
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<jamest> hi
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<reinhard> oops
<chillywilly> hey hey
<chillywilly> hi all
<chillywilly> what's shakin' guys?
<jcater> my bank account?
<jcater> oh, wait... that's shakey
<chillywilly> haha
<chillywilly> my is rock sold
<chillywilly> solid
<chillywilly> and staying at $0
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<chillywilly> I have financial stability
<chillywilly> :P
<nickr> Hey I have 1.95
<nickr> in my bank account
<chillywilly> well
<chillywilly> $0 is aporbably lower
<chillywilly> lemme see
<nickr> its been stable for six months
<chillywilly> mine has been this way for 4 months
<chillywilly> $1.97
<chillywilly> woohoo!
<chillywilly> I win!
<nickr> thankfully I surround myself with people who'll buy me dinner or lunch when I need it. :)
<chillywilly> damn that is scary nickr
<chillywilly> onyl $0.02 difference
<nickr> just my $0.02
<chillywilly> no mi
<chillywilly> ne
<chillywilly> :P
<nickr> oh
<nickr> yea
<nickr> Me and Julio down by the schoolyard
<nickr> I need a new body, this one is broken
<nickr> Is this the real life or is it just fantasy?
<jcater> Pinch yourself... if you enjoy it, must be one helluva fantasy
<nickr> I don't even remember which song that was from, I have so many random ones in my playlist
<nickr> oh
<nickr> Queen
<nickr> Caught in the landslide, no escape from reality
<chillywilly> Queen has some kewl tunes
<jcater> "We will, we will, GNUe You!"
<chillywilly> hey
<chillywilly> I might get a job at JCCC
<chillywilly> right down the block fomr KSU
<nickr> teres a place here called JCC
<nickr> Jewish Community Center
<chillywilly> muuwahahahhahaa
<chillywilly> jamest's worst nightmare
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<nickr> the org that I'm doing the enterprise  stuff for is going to purchase the JCC eventually.
<jamest> Juvenile Coders Crisis Center?
<jamest> chillywilly - "Timmy, it's ok.  You don't have to look at GNUe code anymore. "
<chillywilly> haha
<nickr> We can dance if we want to, we can leave your friends behind
<chillywilly> Johnson county Community college? isn't it?
<chillywilly> doesn't thios place exist nearby?
<chillywilly> jamest
<jamest> yes it exists
<jamest> and it is in KS
<jamest> not sure where
<chillywilly> supposed to be close to KSU
<neil-shower> it is about 20 miles
<neil-shower> from KSU
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<neilt> johnson count is in south kansas city kansas
<neilt> near shawnee mission kansas
<jamest> KC is 2 hours from here
<jamest> maybe you're thinking KU?
<neilt> KU is the jayhawks
<chillywilly> ooooh
<chillywilly> maybe then
<dneighbo> go jayhawks
<neilt> KU is in Lawrence kansas
<neilt> just a few miles west of johnson county 
<neilt> i think there is a very serious rivilary between K-state and KU 
<neilt> chillywilly: so  you probably wont even be able to talk with Jamest
<neilt> chillywilly: but you should ask jamest about the
<neilt> "Beecher Bible and Rifle Church"
<neilt> half way between manhatten and topeka
<nickr> the gun and the bible carved this nation from the wilderness he said
<dneighbo> we always rooted for Jayhawks BasketBall and KSU Football
<dneighbo> well actually Missouri football
<dneighbo> anybody but nebraska you know :)
<nickr> even Kansas?
<dneighbo> well we were from Kansas City so we were partial to Kansas
<dneighbo> half the family on missouri side
<chillywilly> [11:28:43] <-- Delphinus has quit ([BX] Man and mouse alike, both end up in pussy)
<dneighbo> other half in Olathe on kansas side
<chillywilly> [11:27:53] <-- ShrimpX_ has quit (I used to have a drinking problem.  Now I love the stuff.)
<chillywilly> too many good quit messages today
<jamest> cvs down?
<dneighbo> um probably
<dneighbo> email rms about it :)
<dneighbo> 'he wants to know what the issues are'
<dneighbo> and cvs down on a regular basis because of a crappy lsh is one of them :)
<neilt> seems so for me
<reinhard> what is lsh?
<jamest> gnu's ssh2 server
<jamest> gpl'd
<jamest> IIRC they were replacing it (finally) with openssh
<reinhard> ah
<jamest> but the lsh author did submit some patches right after that post so maybe they delayed the move
<reinhard> btw cvs works 4 
<reinhard> me
<dneighbo> reinhard you using pserver or ssh to access it?
<reinhard> ssh
<neilt> just started working for me
<neilt> also
<jamest> sigh
<jamest> it doesn't work for me
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<dneighbo> anyone play with new open office?
<dneighbo> it says saves as xml
<dneighbo> which is true but they zip it up so its a binary
<dneighbo> with makes it a moot point :(
<dneighbo> as i was hoping that it REALLY stored in uncompressed xml so that i could use with cvs natively
<jbailey> I think that most people saving as XML are at least gzipping it to save space.
<dneighbo> um but that defeats purpose if using cvs
<jbailey> You could put a checking routine that uncompressed it automatically, shouldn't be too hard.
<jbailey> s/checking/check-in/
<dneighbo> yeah
<dneighbo> sigh
<dneighbo> but its not a one to one relationship even
<dneighbo> thier compressed xml is like 5 files and a manifest
<dneighbo> which sucks as if i have to fudge with it a lot
<dneighbo> im going ot a vnc to linux using lyx solution instead
<jbailey> Doesn't lyx produce non-free files?
<dneighbo> huh?
<dneighbo> lyx uses xforms which is not 'free'
<dneighbo> it produces docbook, tex etc and other things that are free
<neilt> dneighbo: i thought it had an option to turn of zip'in files
<dneighbo> dia does
<dneighbo> i can not find it in staroffice :(
<dneighbo> but i cant get the help system to work
<dneighbo> so i could jsut be overlooking the location to do so
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<chillywilly> dneighbo: just use unzip
<chillywilly> dneighbo: dia also zips the xml
<chillywilly> dneighbo: you can even turn it off
<chillywilly> 5 files and a manifest?
<chillywilly> ok, I see now
<chillywilly> that sucks
<chillywilly> lyx produces shitty docbook
<dneighbo> yeah 5 file and manifest
<dneighbo> but more importantly i dont want users having to zip unzip :)
<dneighbo> and yes dia has OPTION to zip/unzip
<neilt> what a sucky project
<chillywilly> have you ever got docbook exported form lyx to parse?
<dneighbo> chillywilly yes
<chillywilly> hmmm
<chillywilly> maybe jamest just needs to make the techref correctly then :P
<chillywilly> I couldn;t get the exported docbook to parse
<chillywilly> not sure if it was his fault or not
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<chillywilly> I think it was the tables
<chillywilly> some other crap it would complain about too
<chillywilly> you got a lyx file that will export and parse correctly?
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<jbailey> jamest: Reminds me of a joke...  Wanna hear it? =)
<jamest> sure
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<jbailey> Hmm.. suicidal pot pie.
<jbailey> Any how.
<jbailey> There's these 2 entrepreneurs and they setup a bungie jumping company..
<jbailey> It's going great, and it's time to expand.
<jbailey> So they find out that there's no bungie jumping in Mexico.
<jbailey> They go, find a town square, and setup shop.
<jbailey> The first guy says, okay, I'll give a demonstration, and they'll just *flock* to us.
<jbailey> So the second guy lets him go, and waits.
<jbailey> wait.
<jbailey> waits.
<jbailey> Until finally after 30 minutes, his buddy crawls his way up the platform, all bruised bloody and broken...
<jbailey> "What the fuck is a pinata?"
<neilt> lol
<jamest> lol
<reinhard> i guess to understand this joke one must know what a pinata is
<reinhard> :)
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<chillywilly> jbailey: lol 
<chillywilly> reinhard: a pinata is on of thos epaper mache animals thay they fill with candy and then kids are blind folded and they try to whack i topen ith a  stick...it usually hangs form a string...hence the bungee connection
<reinhard> ah oh
<jamest> and my reference to grabbing a stick while chillywilly was swinging from a rope
<reinhard> ok
<jcater> harsh crowd
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<chillywilly> how so?
<chillywilly> haha
<reinhard> ok
<reinhard> off for today
<reinhard> l8r
<chillywilly> night
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<jcater> If anyone's interested, I have a sample 
<jcater> merge application in reports/samples/mailmerge 
<jcater> that simulates the mailmerge capabilities found 
<jcater> in most word procs. 
<jcater> As an example, it can take XML output from GNUe Reports:
<jcater>   http://ash.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/merge-input.xml.txt
<jcater> merge it with a RTF file created in MS-Word, AbiWord, KWord:
<jcater>   http://ash.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/merge-template.png
<jcater> And create a resulting document with three pages: 
<jcater>   http://ash.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/merge-output.png
<jcater> using the data from the input stream. 
<jcater> There's also a merge-latex option (KWord and AbiWord can
<jcater> save to LaTeX format)
<jcater> NOTE: This is not a substitute for a Reports designer, 
<jcater> but is scratching an itch I currently have w/our marketing
<jcater> department (they want to send out renewal notices to 
<jcater> past customers and want to test out several wordings, 
<jcater> so I hate having to write new reports for them each time :)
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<Mr_You> hi
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<jcater> later
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<Mr_You> Mike Stein from RedHat Interchange (ecommerce group) says: "Thanks for the pointer to GNUe, I will keep an eye on it. I have been looking for something like that for quite a while."
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<dneighbo> chillywilly you here?
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<chillywilly> haha
<chillywilly> yes I am here
<nickr> 'pot pie smell' seems like a type of quark that you can emit
<dneighbo> hi mdean, i was too lazy to email, but i noticed tb was missing
<dneighbo> i just figured i woudl see you before you woudl see the mail :)
<mdean> check your email
<dneighbo> chillywilly ok how do i install debian w/ cd but w/o bootable cdrom
<dneighbo> mdean yeah saw it now, hope to pick up xslt book on way home
<chillywilly> dneighbo: I think you can go through the floppy install and tell it to use the cd
<chillywilly> when it wants the base archive
<nickr> dneighbo: you need two floppies
<dneighbo> nickr which two and wehre can i get htem?
<dneighbo> er them even
<dneighbo> or is there a net article or how ot on this?
<nickr> dneighbo: they should be on the CD
<nickr> you just need rescue.bin and root.bin hmm
<nickr> the path eludes me momentarily
<nickr> oh ricght
<nickr> dists/stable/main/disks-i836/current/images-1.44/
<dneighbo> from debian.org?
<nickr> on the CD
<dneighbo> ok
<dneighbo> let me look
<nickr> you should have three CDs actually.
<nickr> or so
<dneighbo> i have 2
<nickr> thats okay then
<dneighbo> so i need rescue and root?
<nickr> yea
<chillywilly> yep that's all you need
<chillywilly> the rest can be installed off CD
<dneighbo> ok have two disks now what?
<nickr> boot the rescue disk
<dneighbo> ok now what
<nickr> it'll ask you for the root disk
<nickr> er, actually it'll ask you to hit enter first
<nickr> then it loads the kernel
<nickr> then you put the root disk in and hit enter
<dneighbo> then
<nickr> and it loads it
<dneighbo> where does the cd come into play?
<nickr> then you follow the directions
<nickr> there are several questions and you configure various things
<nickr> and do a lot of the setup without the CD
<nickr> then it wants to install drivers
<nickr> thats where you start using the CD
<nickr> later it wants to install the base system, you also use the CD there
<dneighbo> ok might ask more questions for now will follow instructions :)
<nickr> its very self-explanitory
<nickr> debian install looks rough but its easy if you've done a unix-like before.
<nickr> completely unskilled people do it after only the most basic intro
<ajmitch> problem is people expect a fancy GUI installer like with mandrake. i see no need for it
<nickr> I'd like something like an autopartition thing similar to what freebsd has
<nickr> thats about all
<ajmitch> mandrake has some auto-partition tool
<ajmitch> but it's a gui tool
<mdean> dneighbo: FYI: I'm moving DCL schema (with our contact schema) to the XSLT/DDL format - should be done tonight
<dneighbo> cool
<dneighbo> will have to test it out for you
<dneighbo> on mysql and pgsql
<dneighbo> to give you wider test base :)
<dneighbo> as i have a way of 'breaking' things that work elsewhere :)
<dneighbo> nickr i have installed debian fortunately or unfortunately like 20 times
<dneighbo> just never from floppy
<mdean> dneighbo: does forms support updating XML "recordsets"?
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<dneighbo> um come again
<dneighbo> are you asking can forms use XML datasources
<dneighbo> the answer is no
<dneighbo> but one could write an XML driver so that it could
<dneighbo> in fact the stuff the FSF is wanting is asking for that
<dneighbo> i would like to see an XML driver as well
<dneighbo> for a few reasons (mainly a brief case model)
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<dneighbo> chilly you here?
<dneighbo> bye bye
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<Mr_You> this cat is cool hehe, so affectionate
<chillywilly> yea, but those are the ones that usually bug you to death
<chillywilly> run across you keyboard
<chillywilly> crawl up your back
<Mr_You> yeah, she's sorta in between, never gets in my way,
<chillywilly> this other catwe got is very rambucious (sp?)
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<mdean> derek: updated XSL files & DCL schema is "done" - but I renamed all the tables and some fields, so I have some cleanup to do in the code
<mdean> derek: and another thing - COM in Active Python doesn't look anymore difficult than using it in other active scripting langs
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