reinhard (rm@N803P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (rm@N803P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est. -- Aurelius Augustinus uday (wirc2@host-64-110-96-159.interpacket.net) joined #gnuenterprise. uday (wirc2@host-64-110-96-159.interpacket.net) left irc: Read error to uday[host-64-110-96-159.interpacket.net]: Connection reset by peer jbailey (jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp294735.sympatico.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp294735.sympatico.ca) left #gnuenterprise (Client Exiting). mdean (mdean@arc11x12.kcnet.com) joined #gnuenterprise. neilt (neilt@dialup-63.215.119.125.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ neilt (neilt@dialup-63.215.119.125.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) left irc: ajmitch (ajmitch@p9-max5.dun.ihug.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout for ajmitch[p9-max5.dun.ihug.co.nz] ajmitch (ajmitch@p9-max5.dun.ihug.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. mdean (mdean@arc11x12.kcnet.com) left irc: Ping timeout for mdean[arc11x12.kcnet.com] i hate rpms friggin dependency hell roflmao The glibc package contains standard libraries which are used by multiple programs on the system. In order to save disk space and memory, as well as to make upgrading easier, common system code is kept in one place and shared between programs. MAKING UPGRADING EASIER my ASS!!!!!!!!!!!! 95% of the crap i can NOT install is because someone built on a 7.x machine with the newest GLIB jcater (jason@slip-12-65-234-54.mis.prserv.net) joined #gnuenterprise. rock on! I just found the perfect python package for me: http://pyx10.sourceforge.net/ :) Home Automation via GNUe Forms triggers hmm ive been using it :) for a while didnt know you x10'd or i would have turned you on to it actually i havent gotten it working but i downloaded a while back i use x10 on winblows by the way python > 1.5.2 SUCKS on rh6.2 they all want libc2.2 i finally had to install from source luckily it wasnt too painful dneighbo@latitude:~$ python2.2 Python 2.2a4 (#1, Oct 6 2001, 09:01:18) [GCC egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-1.1.2 release)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> no i am like SUPER current I don't X10 but I need to I set up X10 for my deaf brother as he can then use a lot of nifty i got like the computer thing and 3 devices for 10 bucks 3 years ago stuff THEN when they installed the pool they set it up all X10 and i put the yard lights on x10 i wish i would have done the whole house :) the coolest is pyx10 has a web interface piece you're using an alpha python? where you make a .jpg of your house floorplan then put an a clickable spot on every x10 device so remotely from web you can get status of x10 on/off and can control it :) that's too cool I think I'll try it im use 2.2a4 is the entry cost high nowadays? its the 'final' 2.2 release they say um 10 bucks i think :) now they do such more like wireless dvd audio video cameras body (thermo) sensing etc http://www.x10.com/products/x10_HK10A2.htm 19.99 two devices and a remote http://www.x10.com/firecracker/fc_offer_br1ab.htm is what i got for 10 bucks 3 years ago now its 29 but its the computer controller remote controller and like 2 or 3 devices cool me wonders if wxGTK, wxPython, PyGRESQL etc will work with 2.2 have you seen anygui.sourceforge.net nope you playing on sourceforge :) yes I was searching for pysablot and ran across someones bookmark page of python stuff :) rofl i need to 'scan' sourceforge and try to do consolidations agins again or find things of 'interest' worries me that a GUI project has listed that like 10 things are support but has NO screen shots :) yip No api documented either sounds like a great idea but i question how far along they are too bad is gnue will do same thing :) in a sense i wonder if pysablot needs sablotron its poorly documented :9 After reading the sablotron page, it does It's simply a wrapper of course, I couldn't find that on the pysablot page :) rofl well i need to get sablotron then and then test http://www.gingerall.com/charlie/ga/xml/d_sab.xml if i get it working i think i might tackle reports transformatinos if that is cool by you? yip I'll take all the samples I can get if you can check in a one or two more 'samples' other than location today, hopefully, will be a reports code-a-thon for me and maybe one w/ location data that would be most important (as my reports is broken) :) and like a dummy i deleted my output from when it was :) oops I haven't de-derek'ed it yet well and i assume i will be gnue'less for sometime seeing how i just upgraded to python2.2a 4r er 2.2a4 lol.. the step after debugging but before releasing we should call "dereking" yes btw: how do you make 2.x run the forms stuff? did you edit gfcvs to call python2.x yes ouch dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue/gnuef/client$ gfcvs -h This GNUe tool requires PyXML to be installed. Please download and install PyXML from: http://pyxml.sourceforge.net/ i guess 2.2 doesnt ship with xml support? yes but not pyxml it uses a different api ah but, get this so we are still dependent on pyxml pyxml is the result of the XML-SIG committee so WTF did python use another xml api??? um ego :) this sucks really bad as rpms wouldnt work for python so i had to do source which means i will have to EVERYTHING as source because all the stuff will bitch about not having python2.x it it's not that bad all my machines have been done from source rofl i really really really need to upgrade this laptop but sometimes i feel like im on m$ as this machine is only like 1.5 years old why the hell should i have to 'upgrade' the whole OS to get thigns to work? in that respect i REALLY do like debian as i dont mind upgrading to glibc 2.2 for example but doing it by hand on redhat is like getting your genitals stretched on a rack hmmm never had that experience, so I can't relate but I'm redhat-less :) when I did a basic install of redhat and it took up close to 1Gb I ran OpenBSD on my firewall is about 20Mb freeBSD looks to have hit the can eh ?? netBSD, netBSD, netBSD windriver fired all the freeBSD staff and pretty much are dropping out of BSD game yet they own the trademark the code etc ack so its kind of 'limbo' like reinhard (rm@N803P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. it sounds as though they are not being jerks though and dont want to 'kill' freeBSD windriver swallowed BSDi and now has killed them :( http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/05/0855222&mode=thread hmm well, good enough reason as any to do netbsd I still prefer BSD-based systems over linux but devel is easier w/linux since most free software "runs anywhere" as long as it's a linux or linux-clone :) i didnt realize how big WRS was in the BSD market own bsdmall bsd.com and the bsd testing labs etc this really is a bigger blow than i expected explains why they didnt show at LWCE and didnt bring booth babes :) ok got time to trouble shoot? pyxml out of way now new error more troubling when doing a gfcvs -h this is the last few lines File "/home/dneighbo/cvs/gnue/gnuef/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/GFObjects/GFObj.py", line 34, in ? from gnue.forms.GFTrigger import GFTriggerAware File "/home/dneighbo/cvs/gnue/gnuef/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/GFTrigger.py", line 191 exec( code, triggerns ) SyntaxError: unqualified exec is not allowed in function 'thisTrigger' it is a nested function dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue/gnuef/client$ yip do i need to update cvs? or is this a known issue? did it crash, or just give a background message? it crashed well, then, we don't yet support 2.2 We started to get harsh warnings w/2.1 but haven't resolved them yet don't ya love backwards compatability :) no...................... here i was thinking i was gonna be kosher going to 2.2 figured if i had to compile might as well do 2.2 so dont have to do later thing is i dont know how to 'uninstall' a compiled thing so now i will end up with 3 versions of python this is not necessarily a bad thing lemme look at the code again... maybe something'll click damn! I have 2.0.1 im getting newest cvs that might make a diff too gack 100 new db drivers ;) gack... you must've had an old cvs copy yeah but cvs update of all things didnt help still get same error btw: i stopped updating cvs cause you all required a python i didnt have :) ah, good reason bbl reinhard (rm@N803P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est. -- Aurelius Augustinus http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Mail/Message/python-dev/688185 jcater: i think this explains why they busted scope in nested stuff http://slashdot.org/articles/01/10/05/1330214.shtml which seems to be what its bitching about in case jamest is looking for property :) Action: jcater is looking now actually thats not quite it but i think its a start import sys from GFEvent import * from GFTriggerError import * i think is the problem i dont think one is supposed to do an import * hmmm that looks pretty clean though who knows http://python.sourceforge.net/peps/pep-0227.html argh! 2.1 is supposed to issue warnings, while 2.2 breaks um 1.5.2 breaks there too ? i take that back sorry python was calling 1.5.2 not 2.2 but now it is very odd cool but odd i get diff errors with 1.5.2 now , line 324 1.5.2 is officially broken self._currentRecord += 1 ^ but that makes sense as += didnt work in 1.5.2 :) this was one of my arguments for jumping to requiring 2.1 vs 2.0 so this is definitely a 2.2 issue can we fix it as namespace definitions are changing hopefully, it won't affect us much if we get this one problem fixed well way i look at it is making anything other than 2.0 is making them 'jump' ahead of their distro 'today' so whether we make them jump to 2.0 2.1 2.2 i dont think matters much the bigger question is what will the next way of distro's release with? as that should be our target I dunno as hopefully we will have some fruitful stuff for the masses by next distro time my slackware came w/2.0 since we are not 'highly' usable adn dont have a 'huge' userbase i am thinking error on the side of higher versions chillywilly (danielb@d45.as6.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. like 2.1 or even 2.2 so in 8 months or a year we arent kicking ourselves for not doing so when we have a larger userbase but then again i dont want to make barrier to entry to use gnue too damn difficult THOUGH i dont think its like a 'shrink wrap' app either where it should be expect to be a one rpm install :) hi wassup? python 2.2 kicking my arse sigh jcater: you be able to look at 2.2 fix or should i downgrade to 2.1 or 2.0? I'm looking now Action: derek is thinking we probably shoudl try to make it work on all 2.x what does it do? I think I can get it working here shortly heh I got /usr/lib/python1.4, /usr/lib/python1.5, and /usr/lib/python2.0 :P why don't they have 2.2 packages yet in debian....gah is 2.2 GPL compliant or has guido given up chillywilly: 2.2 is not a release derek is trying alpha code you should be proud :) oooooh that's no fair I wanna use glib 2.0 ;) rofl: from the python PEP-0236: Q: Going back to the nested_scopes example, what if release 2.2 comes along and I still haven't changed my code? How can I keep the 2.1 behavior then? A: By continuing to use 2.1, and not moving to 2.2 until you do change your code. has a non-X dependent object system btw: i didnt know it was ALPHA it said newest release i thought they only put stable releases on homepage. :) jcater: rofl that is pretty good Q. how do i keep functionality of version a, when moving to version b A. Keep using version a well this is the one of the pains bane of Free Software it changes very quickly s/bane/// in their defense, they haven't changed anything 2.2 is exhibiting the documented way the language was supposed to work rofl problem is we used to have this problem in mozilla 2.2 is first version to ENFORCE stuff would BREAK when mozilla would start working to 'specification' they said all along that these things were not correct coding practice but didn't MAKE you program correctly :) if like mozilla m9 days why the hell is the version over 1.0 then if not all "faeatures" or "specs" are met? it was they had to do quick hack to get to work and said dont copy our bad code here chillywilly: they were met, they did more than they were supposed to as its not how we want it to work then in m11 they made it so it would work like they planned but were gracious and didnt kill the old way if correctly implemented code works and incorrectly works also, I'd say it's implemented (although maybe poor form) then m17 poof we are killing the old way :) people screamed and it was like they have been saying all along DONT DO THIS chillywilly: don't get me wrong.. I'm pissed as I'm having to fix our "bad practice" but I do understand :) ppl will just have to change some of their code to use the new python, if they don't like it then don't switch :P actually, this won't affect most people jcater: i installed sabltron and it went w/o error and unzipped pysablot out of 400,000 lines of Zope code, only 4 needed fixing so it affects few ppl although the ones it does affect aren't happy :) and copied to dneighbo@latitude:/usr/local/lib/python2.2/site-packages$ ls PySablot.so README Sablot.py Sablot.pyc _xmlplus dneighbo@latitude:/usr/local/lib/python2.2/site-packages$ but i get dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/dcl/ddltest$ python2.2 test.py Traceback (most recent call last): File "test.py", line 3, in ? import PySablot ImportError: No module named PySablot dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/dcl/ddltest$ i know this has to be a pathign problem of sorts any ideas? Action: chillywilly is slowly making his way through the python essential reference ;) try changing his code to import Sablot and seeing if it works it had both Sablot and PySablot dcl uses python? commented out PySablot dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/dcl/ddltest$ python2.2 test.py Traceback (most recent call last): File "test.py", line 4, in ? import Sablot ImportError: No module named Sablot [1]+ Done emacs test.py dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/dcl/ddltest$ chillywilly: it doesn now :) sow hen are we gonna get those web forms? er, when hmm what is the python variable for pathing? print sys.path and see what it has well, import sys first :) just use the interpreter form the sommand line command ['', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/plat-linux2', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-tk', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/site-packages'] looks right as my pysablot stuff is in /usr/local/lib/python2.2/site-packages/ [root@latitude site-packages]# ls PySablot.so README Sablot.py Sablot.pyc _xmlplus [root@latitude site-packages]# go into your sitepackages dir and try a python Sablot.py wtf i just downloaded again and unzipped and got diff stuff give me a few pos the first one i download didnt have anything to build etc it unzipped to /opt/somecrap/site-packages/ i mv'd it then to right place new one i got has a setup.py and such so am building it error i get now building 'PySablot' extension creating build/temp.linux-i686-2.2 gcc -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fPIC -I/usr/local/include/python2.2 -c src