hi whats up dude ;)\ his derek up i have still not got any assignment from fsf :( maybe perlh: it can take a while I dunno guess he is you are in foreign country right? like india? yes he is he's an Indian yeah derek :( r u there? he fades in and out but... da masta is always there...watching....waiting.... oh ok you could even dump to *puke* quickbooks, if you wanted oops doh yes I suggested GNUe first his reply "eww" ;-) not to GNUe what the heck is this quickbooks talk? Action: derek must have missed a conversation somewhere dunno (wrong channel) you better talk to perlh before he puts a hindu curse on you or something ;P :)) chillywilly: im too busying installing my shiny new TurboLinux products (wink, wink) maha paavam perlh: you still have questions? derek: heeeeheee didnt know you were waiting for a response yeah a lot derek but what to do this guy wants to integrate phpauction (or some auction software) and an accounting package... interchangeright now u guys told me it will reach in max two weeks time if it doesnt make it in a week or so i will get on brian about about it interchange it is almost three weeks now L:( as to working on things you can work on stuff w/o the paperwork being done we just cant put it in 'released' software until the paperwork gets done i dont forsee a geas or forms release in next week so i think we are ok :) :( perlh: what is your email address? perlhin2k@yahoo.com actually can you forward me the email you sent to FSF? knock yourself out man "very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes" lol so i can have a date stamp etc :O i will use my 'special' channels to try to push it through :) again derek :( :)) just forward it to me thanx a lot dont resend it to them ok fine you should have a copy in your 'outbox' or 'sent items' shall i forward that to u toda Action: chillywilly whips out a stamp with the word "date" on it and blasts da masta's forhead with it ok fine you are not anil correct? sure will do it i am aravind derek no gnus is bad news :( nevermind about forwarding i found my copy (that you originally cc'd) do you know if anil has gotten his paperwork yet? bah, I should go to bed you guys go to same university right? everything is so pointless plz shoot me now oh thanx a lot derek no i dont know who is anil and i dont know wheter he has got that or nopt :( heheh why are you sad? be happy damnit coz i am not getting it from them you'll die soon enough how can i be happy chillywilly i have not got that right :( I dunno mind altering drugs :O LSP, PCP whatever turns your crank i am goind nuts i cant understand I am just being goofy it is either that or go into a deep depression and contemplate suicide j/k perlh: i sent mail to research the status for you thanx a lot derek anil: goes to university in india and so does someone else was thinking you, but must be someone else :) gdit.iiit.net does that sound familiar? ah it was uday that knows anil :) yeha it does looks familiar Action: derek runs off for a bit :) yeha thats right uday knows anil may be mdean (mdean@arc11x27.kcnet.com) left irc: Ping timeout for mdean[arc11x27.kcnet.com] in india doesnt your name tell a little bit about where you are from? like i know a rajagopal and a balagopal and i think they were saying that 'gopal' was common part of name for their region or something? yeah it does derek :) Action: chillywilly knows a guy from trivandrum named rajagopal Action: perlh chillywilly also knows arun derek so like can u pls follow up with my assignment papers that should come from fsf r u aguys alive :( I know arun, radi, rajagoapl, raj, anil,....heh, I kow a LOT of Indian ppl but the anil that derek was talking about is a different anil than the one I know the one that I know is one FreeDevelopers web masters Action: perlh u also know perlh oh ok cool perlh (a@202.9.144.242) left irc: perlh (a@202.9.144.242) joined #gnuenterprise. lude: did you makecat? uggh Action: Mr_You & Action: chillywilly -> chillywilly (danielb@d181.as15.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: reinhard (rm@N812P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error to dres_[4.18.171.42]: Connection reset by peer dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. perlh (a@202.9.144.242) left irc: Ping timeout for perlh[202.9.144.242] perlh (a@202.9.144.242) joined #gnuenterprise. dres__ (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error to dres_[4.18.171.42]: Connection reset by peer perlh (a@202.9.144.242) left irc: Ping timeout for perlh[202.9.144.242] perlh (a@202.9.144.242) joined #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (ajmitch@p3-max7.dun.ihug.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout for ajmitch[p3-max7.dun.ihug.co.nz] ajmitch (ajmitch@p3-max7.dun.ihug.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. perlh (a@202.9.144.242) left irc: [x]chat ajmitch (ajmitch@p3-max7.dun.ihug.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout for ajmitch[p3-max7.dun.ihug.co.nz] ajmitch (ajmitch@p3-max7.dun.ihug.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (ds@195.239.66.32) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Action: ToyMan is working on setting up his new factory :) nope didnt get disk was going to ask if you sent i suppose coming out of ny probably slight delay i wont worry until its been > 7 business days new factories are cool bb in 1 hour 'playing dad's taxi' derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: [x]chat ToyMan (stuq@c5300-1-ip165.albany.thebiz.net) got netsplit. ajmitch (ajmitch@p3-max7.dun.ihug.co.nz) got netsplit. reinhard (rm@N812P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at) got netsplit. dtm (dtm@m206-221.dsl.tsoft.com) got netsplit. Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) got netsplit. dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) got netsplit. 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Mussi (elias@200.167.234.126) left #gnuenterprise (Cliente IRC saindo). ajmitch (ajmitch@p3-max7.dun.ihug.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout for ajmitch[p3-max7.dun.ihug.co.nz] ajmitch (me@p3-max7.dun.ihug.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@d180.as29.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. bbl Nick change: reinhard -> rm-away colonel (arun@202.88.234.244) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo (dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. masta no! guess we better get back to work dres__ (dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error to dres_[4.18.171.42]: EOF from client colonel (arun@202.88.234.244) left irc: [x]chat ToyMan (stuq@c5300-1-ip165.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: Client Exiting ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.200) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hello dneighbo: seen madlocke in moscow yesterday :) colonel (arun@202.88.234.244) joined #gnuenterprise. arun how is it going? we have a plethora of indian developers looking to work on gnue maybe you can be our lead translator :) ra3vat great, how is he doing? he is fine. his girlfriend is russian. does it excuse him to be here? :) and stop coding for a while no way, GNUe is life ;P man I hate sorting through mail only if his girlfriend codes too :) hello chillywilly she is not. i see him in a big trouble :) hi hi dneighbo dneighbo: i can help with localisation ra3vat: can you get him to send the UI work he's done to us? jamest: you have an easy way to do that now simply threaten to tell his girlfriend...... a little extortion never hurt the developers you know :) good idea good idea, bad idea er it's time for another good idea, bad idea jamest: not sure it'd possible before he'll get back home Action: jbailey is away: Gone for a walk... jbailey (jbailey@65.93.2.159) left irc: Client Exiting Nick change: rm-away -> reinhard has anyone read the recent articles on open-source? where? http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/10/11/1641257&mode=thread why are you calling it Open Source? they clearly say Free Software dude :P ooooh that was the conference in D.C. cause open source software rocks our socks baby Tony, RMS, and Eben were putting it on jamest: uh, no Free Software rocks my socks http://stlr.stanford.edu/STLR/Articles/01_STLR_4/index.htm hey chilly I don't care :-P I said open-source not Open Source :-P heh same thing there are ideologicla differences ideological even open-source is a description not a title one belives in co-existance with proprietary the other does not...it's that simple if I refer to it as Open Source you are correct to be anal about it "If you call your work Open Source, you're encouraging people not to think about the political, ethical, and social issues," Stallman said. but most open-source software is not Free Software heh yes the first article is about Free Software and the latter is about Intellectual Property and "The case against open-source" yes the first article is about Free Software and the latter is about Intellectual Property and "The case against Open Sources" I wish I could've went well bbl surprised it is not linked off of LinuxToday chillywilly: was it you who asked what my signoff message means? yea "For if a thing is not diminished by being shared with others, it is not rightly owned if it is only owned and not shared." http://mailman.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/discussion/2000-December/000210.html it was written 397 A.D. hmmmm Action: chillywilly has to read thta again ans more slowly kewl is it required that you get permission from GNU/RMS to use "Free Software" label? no absolutely not....hehe even GNU is not trade marked what is wrong with: "This is open-source Free Software"? nothing except I might be annoying RMS and camp? ;-) i dont think it wrong though its 'confusing' well you are talking to the "camp" right here or better yet redundant let me explain chillywilly: exactly yes redundant to be 'Free Software' by definition it has to have open source code so you are being redundant in saying 'open source free software' yeah.. ok thanks just curious it would be like saying 'no cost free beer' however you can not go the opposite way and say that by saying 'open source' you are saying 'free software' as something can have open source code but not be free well.. how about 'very liquidy beer' ;-) or something ;-) for example the old mysql license sometimes it depends on who says Open Source....if ESR calls it that I know he doesn't truly believe in software freedom, but if Perens says it I know that he actually cares about software freedom, however, a lot of Opne Source developers do not care of sotware is proprietary so in the beer example you could day 'low cost free beer' which is silly as if you say free beer (one can imply its low cost' however if you say low cost beer chillywilly: open-source or opensource and "Open Source" are different things.. the latter being a title the others are adjectives one can not automatically assume that its free only that its not expensive i hope that makes some semblence of sense i dont like the term 'open source' for this reason :) while i get irrated with the GNU/Linux tirades yes i actually think the calling stuff open source is harmful the problem is that 'free software' as a title just isnt good either :) libre software would be better or ethical software or something but we deal with the poor nuances of the english language best we can :) Free Software emplies no form of compensation to a distributor? GNU/Linxu tirades? chillywilly dont even ask, yes they are tirades how do you figure? perhaps jcater can give you better visualations someone comes to you and says 'hey what does GNUe do? I like linux a lot" and instead of answering what gnue does you go into a 10 minute snit on why they are an evil being for calling it linux that is a 'tirade' yes, that is wrong a protracted speech usually marked by intemperate, vituperative, or harshly censorious language is definition of tirade dres__ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: see ya colonel (arun@202.88.234.244) left irc: [x]chat now if they simply answered the question first then politely informed them that linux was merely a part of the collective system call GNU thus GNU/Linux that would be different now RMS does this fairly well actually (most of the time) yet when an accountant asks that question trying to explain that linux is only a kernel is overkill basically i have no problem saying GNU/Linux or asking others to but when that becomes the focus of your existence thats an issue to me i cant say i fully agree with all the agruments i think effort would be better served elsewhere i think people calling things open source vs free software is MUCH more damaging yes, but RMS is also about as anal there too after some tiem with RMS i will simply say i adore his steadfast positions on things and that it makes his character what did you call the system when you were wth him? i will also say we are all falliable and because he thinks something it doesnt always make it correct :) GNU-slash-linux? GNU Linux (i dont say the slash) he does neither do I i did call it Linux a few times and before he had chance to correct me i told him why i used linux vs gnu/linux and to piss off but then it sound like Linux is a GNU project you told him to piss off/ ? i also used term pirate on many occassions and often i would say 'yes i know pirate is a term you dont like, but i disagree' and then would sya my sentence hey man piss off chillywilly : not piss off eh but yes i know you dont like that, but i disagree and leave it at that it seemed to pacify him just stating 'i realize your position' but i will call it what i like why did you call it "linux"? because in the discussion it was not relevant to call it gnu linux imho we were speaking of device driver portions and i called him on his crap crap? ooooh he was talking about a GNU Device Driver home page er hardware GNU Hardware database i finally asked him well what are you doing compatiablity for? hurd, linux, bsd he said linux i said why not call it the Linux Hardware Database :) he didnt answer but wasnt happy at that suggestion haha but anyhow thats a moot point well that wouldn't work either because you are supporting other Free OSes the reason i think the whole thing is somewhat goofy is i think Linux could survive w/o GNU and GNU w/o Linux Free Hardware Database if linus was willing to make Linux say BSD he could find non gnu components (prop) to use with his kernel some day Linux wil be no more, but not a whole lot of ppl contribute to the Hurd that;s why it is so slow in development, that and Mach sucks GNU can and does run on non free kernels so i think one could say to have a GPL operating system one needs GNU and Linux anyhow i just got a bad taste in my mouth on this vigilence to call it GNU/Linux if you were at last show you would understand why it's the whole choosing the battles to fight issue :) jcater: well said :) mastachu i choose you! i think the issue was at the FSF booth i think in 3 days we heard 2 times someone mention an actual GNU program and the rest of the time was tirades on GNU/Linux naming or dont forget the GNU project made Linux possible amen it was awful when in reality if they would just state what GNU IS people wouldnt be able to DENY that GNU makes Linux great rather than say we have gcc, make, bison/flex, sed, bash etc etc etc etc tools you use everyday they choose to say, you are evil for not knowing GNU makes it all possible :) i will end my rant now :) I think you just went on a tirade no, I think that was a rant :) how many of you said anything to them though? yes definitely rant whatever or tirade you can choose :) i said something to RMS when he was here his response REALLY pissed me off what did he say then? he said 'i wasnt there, it wasnt me, i DONT do that' must ahve been some volunteer that didnt know anything i said um 'it was the VP of FSF' and felt like adding (and ive heard you do the same) to which he got agitated and said well dont tell me tell brad im not the middle man at which point i figured its hopeless btw: this is not meant to be a slam on brad i know they believe what they are doing is for the best and i think their goals are laudible but as jason well put, pick your battles wisely :) so talking to them is impossible I agree with him in that you should've said something to the ppl there as they feel they are tackling the 'important' issue chillywilly i disagree, i think it comes from the top down i think brad was reiterating the position of the FSF as evidenced by the giant yellow signs aaah, but you see does RMS really have any authority....I mena this is a democratic process RMS can't force them to do something my point was to talk to the 'head' and say is that really how you want to position yourself chillywilly i imagine its like an company if you arent doing what the head wants you to, you will have a short existence there :) whose structure I have problems with btw: maybe im just interpreting it poorly but i got impression jamest and jcater felt same way and lindsay who has NOTHING to do with free software, even commented that the dialog there was a bit 'brutal' IIRC BBC reported a slaughter of a group of men in Africa supposedly for helping the enemy well this sorting through email sucks very time consuming evan: I dunno.. I'm guessing I would just fill in the partner area.. I don't have Payflow Pro oops ajmitch (me@p3-max7.dun.ihug.co.nz) got netsplit. ajmitch (me@p3-max7.dun.ihug.co.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. jbailey (jbailey@65.93.2.159) joined #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (me@p3-max7.dun.ihug.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout for ajmitch[p3-max7.dun.ihug.co.nz] night all reinhard (rm@N812P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est. -- Aurelius Augustinus ajmitch (ajmitch@p3-max7.dun.ihug.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@d180.as29.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: chillywilly (danielb@d180.as29.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ignore me guys I'm testing connection /ignore jamest thanks, all done now /kick jamest http://www.cw360.com/bin/bladerunner?REQSESS=SY95A2NV&690REQEVENT=&CARTI=106743&CARTT=1&CCAT=1&CCHAN=12&CFLAV=1&CPAGEN=ArticlePage&CPAGET=-99999&CSEARCH=&CSESS=-99999&CTOPIC= nothing like a 15m project overruning budget by 8m ouch and having servers running at 70% utilization with only 15% of the users 'live' im amazed somebody is FINALLY suing over this kind of thing wtf why is it prompting for a login dont know could be bad url i gave slap yourself then give good url Action: jamest needs to read about someone's suffering heheh "All life is suffering" - Budhist saying. true dat but you do feel better knowing that you are not suffering alone I should find my "No nirvana without samsara" poster and send you the text. It's the cure for ANY cheery day. =) uh, no I don't need to be depressed any further jamest that url doesnt owrk for you either? no it does not dneighbo: you have failed man this really sucjs I need some drugs this site asks for a java-vm one mroe time the pain is unbearable adn im gonna shove a GNU up its ass heheh install the jv, you freak jvm Action: chillywilly goes off to get some drugs