[00:34] Last message repeated 1 time(s). chillywilly (danielb@d156.as9.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (jason@HubA-mcr-24-165-193-222.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hiya hoya wassapneen nuttin' much oh, since I got you here how presumptious of you don't you hate it when women bring up past stuff to get mad at that you already explained what happened before? ok, maybe I should've said since you are here lords knows *I* didn't actually get you here yip if anything I would've scared you away :P I know the feeling (re the women, not the scaring) like ok she calls me out of the blue and goes oh you remeber that dya that....blah blah, what really went on? then she goes and gets mad and says I don;t believe you....bah, who cares that was years ago I barely even remeber so if it really was that big of a deal don't you think I wou;d've remembered dude you having problems tonight? no, this was a couple days ago just bugged me I just like to bitch and moan to you as you seem to have as much fun as I do ;P lol yip could be worse, though there could be dead silence when ya get home adnyou are magically supposed to know what is wrong? supposed to use your psychic powers or something? "well, if you don't know, I'm not tellin ya" when are they gonna get it, men are not mysterious at all just be straight forward and tell me damnit then I can proceed to apologze 50 times or so and go buy you some flowers or whatever www.dans.com mmm hehe hey thanks man this is the only way to survive those are wonderful rack up the points ahead of time ;) they are shipped fresh cool wow, they sound real good from the commentaries but hey witha name like dan's how could you go wrong ;) jcater: your back i need sleep though if you get a 'populated sample' can you email it to me :)O hey derek derek: I'll try I'm kinda pooped I am copying me DCL db from work as we speak so I can have data to play with mmm... chocolate yea, mmmm hey dan's chocolate could use a GNUe system ;) mmm... chocolate heh bah, they use qmail though they need to switch to GNU Mailman ;) bah they should switch to postalnet uh, no j/k what is so great about that? nothing' I know a guy who administers boxes and runs a mailing list service for a living he has his own modified version of GNU Mailman Action: jcater should sleeeep now or sleep even Action: chillywilly notes jcater "syncs" his machine quite often what does that really mean? your checking in code? that means I leave work to go home and work some more hmmmm I have 5 machines I regularly develop gnue with 5? you got 5 machines at home? two at work (my personal BSD workstation for experimental development and the main redhat server) my debian laptop my openbsd system at my apartment and my slackware system at my house depends on where I am you have an apartment and a house? yes Action: chillywilly forgets that you are a PHB :P chillywilly: my wife and I separated 9 months ago, but are getting back together oh eeek ok make more sense now? :) uh, yes I guess so maybe I shouldn't be complaining so much with you then why? we're ooops cause really it ia all crap that isn't important well it was a breakdown in communication that did us in the first time (some of the same things I joke about) all I can say is be sensitive to what she is trying to say, not what is being said :) did she go with you to SF? no or was that jamest's wife no, jamest's wife didn't go w/me to SF either she did go w/jamest tho bah you know what I mean don't make me come over there we were still separated while I was in SF it was the accident w/our son that got us back together oh night Nick change: jcater -> jcZzz chillywilly: hi howdy what are you doing up man? i'm typing on a keyboard! really? no way? if you're nice, i'll let you read it! ;) i'm microwaving some soup ok Action: chillywilly is thinking of eating the left over pizza Action: dtm observes his soup being eaten chillywilly: are you married? or just with an SO and child? i forgetted. coz i was gonna axe what their names are I am not married you might end up telling me that several times in the course of our relationship caroline and scotty what is SO? nevermind I figured it out finally ok! doh significant other and are they doing ok? yes thanks for asking :) how old is Scotty? sho' 'nuff dewd 4 he's a big boy then he's getting there he pretty tall for his age to use a traditional phrase; not to be gender biased does he know what he wants to do when he grows up? when i was four-and-a-half i wanted to be a baseball player and an architect I dunno I never asked him that i see I'll ask tomorrow ok ;) hee hee I am sure he will have lots to tell me i was 4.5 yrs old for a long long long long time do you live with him? not right now I did for a while yep I just don't get along with her mother she drives me nucking futs i'm just curious btw; i dont mean to pry I don't mind devulgin my screwed up life :P I have nothing to jide hide i see! you say "her mother" .. who's "her"? caroline silly oh yes and does Caroline live with Caroline's mom? yep so you lived with those two plus Scotty? and I with mine so you now live with your mom? and her mom and dad yep whoa. so you're living with your mom and grandparents? no no that's not American! do you guys have totem poles, rituals, and artifacts? ;> hahah j/k caroline, scotty, me, mom and dad lived in ther house for while reinhard (rm@62.47.45.97) joined #gnuenterprise. holy cow. Action: dtm computes the logistics therein chillywilly: it's not unusual to have 5 computers btw i have that too but all in the same building :) uh, well you guys are all rich I am a poor student still in a lot of respects :P hehe well you have paying jobs though one is a 486 SX well I got aP166 I wann change it into a server but it does a good work as a internet gateway and firewall the other is a 7 year old pentium 75 server which is so noisy that i almost never turn it on ah heheh the cool thing is this old thing is from the company i worked for it's a sco unix machine and by chance i found out lately jcZzz (jason@HubA-mcr-24-165-193-222.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout for jcZzz[HubA-mcr-24-165-193-222.midsouth.rr.com] that our sysadmin has installed bash, gcc, gnu make and some other gnu stuff on that machine in 1995! so i have used gnu since 1995 and wasn't even aware of that :) chillywilly_ (danielb@d146.as14.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@d156.as9.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by chillywilly_)) ugh Nick change: chillywilly_ -> chillywilly reinhard (rm@62.47.45.97) left irc: Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est. -- Aurelius Augustinus chillywilly (danielb@d146.as14.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: mdean (mdean@arc10x68.kcnet.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp294757.sympatico.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp294757.sympatico.ca) left #gnuenterprise (Client Exiting). reinhard (rm@N812P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (jason@HubA-mcr-24-165-193-222.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard: in 1995, SCO released the SCO Skunkworks '95 CD to its customers which, of course, was mostly free stuff and they shipped it out to all their customers go figure that would probably explain why you got gnu in '95 and didn't know it I was excited as it actually made SCO somewhat usable (at least with non-SCO software :) jcater: interesting i will ask my former sysadmin next time i meet him say in a year or two ;) but you could certainly be right prior to caldera's aquisition of sco, the best place to find free software for openserver was www.sco.com/skunkware but they removed it :( (precompiled packages for use w/sco's 'custom' command) i never dealt with that i was just a code slave at that time lol that was not funny, imagine we sat there in rows the people in the street could see through the window our masta behind our back with the whip beating us all the time and sometimes a mother walking by told her kids "don't worry, we only buy programs from happy coders" rofl ah, cool, caldera somehwat kept it: http://www.caldera.com/skunkware/faq.html#q2 how do you say that in English? we have something like "buy eggs only from lucky hen" or like that or from happy hen um, not sure we may use the happy hen analogy too Action: jcater doesn't get out much which means that the eggs come from hen that can run freely nevermind this is probably the reason why there is this gnome weather applet so that coders like us at least know what the weather is like outside :) chillywilly (danielb@d44.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (jason@HubA-mcr-24-165-193-222.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: Read error to jcater[HubA-mcr-24-165-193-222.midsouth.rr.com]: Connection reset by peer jcater (jason@HubA-mcr-24-165-193-222.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@d44.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: jbailey (jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp294757.sympatico.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. derek: you around??? neilt (neilt@dialup-63.215.114.7.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ jcater: am here now ah you should be getting an email cool i have family obligations today so probably wont play until tomorrow or late tonight ok i was anxious so transformed your mailmerge to html :) the little sample recordset you have out there cool neilt (neilt@dialup-63.215.114.7.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) left irc: crap i can do a transformation for you but for reports i wasnt expecting it to look like that on out putt output at all as doing so would require a custom style sheet for every report i was much more expecting output to look identical to the template (grd) only with data so you might have
derek: that's what I was talking about the other day how reports would output ANY xml but I wanted a standard for GNUe :) I want everyone's input ok yes we need that :) on what we need we need something like access or crystal reports kind of 'terminology' of section / group / label / etc i think we need those for the grd but they would be evident in the output xml as well as those things make good things to make 'style sheet rules' on you need a minimum of report / report header / section / section header / section footer / report footer and section data I guess :) jcater: you be around tomorrow? or late tonight maybe we can start a document (gack docs i know) and it can be a 'proposal of sorts' mdean : if you care, it would be nice to get your input who knows maybe we can 'lure' dcl into the gnue report server :) I helped design our current publishing system at work, so I know some strengths/weaknesses to watch out for in some respects derek: yes mdean: that's exactly what I was thinking (w/headers/footers at various levels) derek: my original proposal might be a starting point for docs ja - it's really all you need, and you may have to make two passes through the report to make some info available for headers http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/GNUe-Reports-Format.html (if you look at the date on that, you should guess that it's slightly outdated :) you could use several stylesheets against one report to allow drilling down, sorting, and additional filtering, so the resulting output xml should describe the data very well, as opposed to the layout interesting thought I really need to look at XSLT you *could* even generate xslt on the fly for really customized viewing ;-) there are a lot of possibilities here in reality, all the GNUe-Reports engine is is a data to XML transformation engine (i.e., it can take any number of datasources and transform into XML of any complexity) we plan on having our "Standard" way of using GNUe-Reports yeah - and actually - you could even get by without imposing the order by clause on the sql query to improve performance but its uses could extend beyond what our goals are and push that into the stylesheets true... of course, that's left up to the end developers it will be a very powerful base tool ja then all you need is a wysiwyg designer for creating your xslt that's a great idea I hope someone else volunteers to do it though :) hehe I can do a web version you are one sick and twisted man :) j/k I've picked up quite a bit of DOM, JavaScript, CSS, and XSLT the last few weeks - it really isn't that bad if you target DOM browsers cool I learned it all building a layout editor @ work - drag-n-drop and the whole bit using a web browser? yup impressive it'll kick arse when it's done XSLT is wonderful, if you like functional programming languages. =) Recurssion, sweet recurssion. =) .....must......recurse.......recurse.......recurse...... hmmm the problem i see is i think integrator should be more what you are trying to do with reports reports should be a bit more structured as you do NOT want to have to scan them multiple times to do things as you need them to be 'fast' if you have to run 3 stylesheets on a report your dead im already thinking having to do one transformation even in memory might make us too slow for example on month close at the county over 5000 reports are generated reports does what it needs to do in one pass... but like you I'm concerned about the transforms (speed wise) (not functionality :) i crap you not some departments had to have their 'monthly' reports delivered on pallets before we went to digitally storing the output so i think there is HUGE value in flexible data out but i think that belongs in integrator not reports i think that reports should have a nice structured set of reporting tags to build templates and that is how the data comes out the back with same structured tags this way transformations are straightforward and shouldnt need to be much in way of overhead there was talk at one time that reports and integrator seemed to be kind of the same thing as i think people were thinking reports would have define anything coming out the back which to me i dont think is the 'proper' or most 'efficient' way but what do i know :) i think they should be two separate products even if they share some code :) I think gnue will have it's own set of structured tags... but I don't plan on "hard-coding" that in reports in case others can use reports in ways we didn't imagine (this doesn't add any overhead, btw) I do plan on designer only working w/GNUe's set of tags, however. im not proposing we hard code anything I think we are agreeing w/each other, derek :) btw, I hope we can reuse the engine portion of reports w/integrator at least parts of it me too like you wouldnt believe night all reinhard (rm@N812P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est. -- Aurelius Augustinus hi all so is anyone set to run the gnue booth at ALS or am I the only candidate? i see no reason why i can't be there. I can't be in California I think you are it coolness mdean (mdean@arc10x68.kcnet.com) left irc: Ping timeout for mdean[arc10x68.kcnet.com] jbailey (jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp294757.sympatico.ca) left #gnuenterprise (Client Exiting). derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Ping timeout for derek[cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net] derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo (dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. any kernel fellows here? debian wont install for me it seems to hang on a floppy disk detection but i dont know how to override it :( suppose i could just remove teh floppy disk for now :) jbailey (jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp294757.sympatico.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. its amazing debian has users #debian is full of pricks unhelpful ones at that I've gotten useful here there once.. =) What do you need? 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