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<ksuha> hi all :)
<ksuha> anybody alive?...
<ksuha> anybody use gnuenterprise in real projects?
<ksuha> alive?
<dneighbo> yes
<dneighbo> alive
<dneighbo> and in real projects
<ksuha> can u tell me more about your project and using this? :)
<ksuha> I'm interesting is that (gnuenterprise) working?
<dneighbo> well currently
<dneighbo> i have written a contact manager to do assignments for gnue
<dneighbo> jcater has a fully functional 40 node call center using gnue
<dneighbo> we also have a customer that uses for insurance claims
<dneighbo> have also started bolting on frontends to DCL (double choco latte)
<dneighbo> currently gnue forms (in 2 tier mode) is pretty equivalent in functionality and features as oracle's sql*forms product
<jbailey> dneighbo: Call centre, like using Bayoonne, or forms? (or both?)
<dneighbo> not using bayonne
<dneighbo> though they would like to
<dneighbo> there are some pbx issues etc they are looking into
<dneighbo> jcater : would be the one to ask specifics
<dneighbo> we are working on writing up a case study on it
<dneighbo> as its really rather a nice setup
<dneighbo> all 40 nodes are diskless workstations
<dneighbo> so its GNUe on LTSP
<dneighbo> with oracle backend
<jbailey> Nice!
<jbailey> My potential employer is looking at acquiring another Nortel Option 11, and it would be nice to cost compare for using Bayonne for the load balancing.
<ksuha> what is LTSP?
<dneighbo> Linux Terminal Server Project
<dneighbo> ksuha : also the govt i work for uses gnue in limited capacity to manage a few postgres tables for data interfaces and such
<dneighbo> and the university jamest works at uses gnue for several things
<dneighbo> i would say if you need database application gnue is about best i have seen for 
<dneighbo> RAPID development of cross platform applications that is licensed under the GPL
<ksuha> do u use release or cvs version?
<dneighbo> both
<dneighbo> in my production environments im using the last release
<dneighbo> every where else im using cvs
<dneighbo> i need to pester jcater some and i think we will release another version here VERY soon
<ksuha> what about activity of gnue project and quantity of bugs and how fast they are patching?
<dneighbo> bugs are generally patched same day
<dneighbo> if you can find the developer that maintains that part of code 
<dneighbo> most of the developers are in this channel 10 hours a day or more
<dneighbo> activity wise we have about 5 active developers
<dneighbo> and about 10 more that have contributed code regularly but are not doing so heavily at this time
<dneighbo> we have about 30 people with assignments
<dneighbo> and several hundred on the main mail list (though most of our process is done in irc not in mail list)
<dneighbo> as to quantity of bugs its ahrd to say
<dneighbo> as the primary installations of gnue are in use by the core developers
<dneighbo> so bugs are patched as soon as they are encountered :)
<ksuha> cool :)
<ksuha> how soon accounting package could be released? :)
<jbailey> dneighbo: I've started thumping on the cross-compiler environment for you, BTW.  Do you want the result in a tarball or .deb?
<dneighbo> ksuha : accounting is a difficult animal
<dneighbo> as beta and accounting dont go hand in foot :)
<dneighbo> we have accounting classes (gcd) in cvs now :)
<dneighbo> we are starting to do some 'basic' accounting stuff for clients now
<dneighbo> a fully functional accounting system i cant put a date on
<dneighbo> but paying clients or users willing to use in production ALWAYS help speed along features :)
<dneighbo> jbailey both :)
<jbailey> dneighbo: 'k =)
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<seva_> hi all :))
<seva_> ksuha is away now :))
<seva_> I'm going to try gnue :))
<seva_> one more question: does geas use database triggers or does triggers/etc  himself? 
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<dneighbo> um
<dneighbo> good question
<dneighbo> it could really do either
<dneighbo> i.e. if you wanted to write stored procs in your database you could (i recommend against it as it locks you into that db vendor) Though for something things you can get a large performance boost
<dneighbo> geas is designed to have two types of methods
<seva_> do it use transactions ? for accounting for example and other atomic transfers/etc?
<dneighbo> external methods (biz rules)
<dneighbo> and internal methods mroe like geas triggers
<dneighbo> currently iirc transaction support native to geas is not working
<dneighbo> in two tier it is working if the db supports it (iirc)
<dneighbo> we are looking to enhance in these areas of course
<dneighbo> as well as offer full loadbalancing
<dneighbo> and replication
<dneighbo> i.e. if you have a geas server with say millions of 'methods' we would provide a way to propogate those classes/methods to other geas servers
<seva_> loadbalancing anfd replication without db support, or based on native replication/loadbalancing?
<dneighbo> the data of course would be replicated by the db not geas
<seva_> ok :))
<dneighbo> load balancing we hope to use a 'neutral' load balancer
<dneighbo> we are not finding any good gpl ones (though we havent looked too hard)
<dneighbo> we would like to do load balancing in front of geas 
<seva_> I'm truing to compile it on freebsd and libuuid not found, where can I get source for it ? 
<dneighbo> BUT if a db supports it
<dneighbo> you could definitely have db load balancing occuring behind geas
<dneighbo> um
<seva_> As db I prefer PostgreSQL  :)) 
<dneighbo> its in one efs2prog i think
<dneighbo> seva_ so do we :)
<seva_> :))
<dneighbo> 18 To compile GEAS, you additionally need
<dneighbo>  19 * libuuid 1.05 or newer (look for a package called ext2fs-dev or uuid-dev)
<dneighbo>  20 or
<dneighbo>  21 ftp://download.sourceforge.net/pub/sourceforge/e2fsprogs/e2fsprogs-1.19.tar.gz
<seva_> thanks
<dneighbo> from the INSTALL file in cvs (dont know if ships with release or not)
<seva_> in geas-0.0.6 only * libuuid 1.05 or newer (look for a package called ext2fs-dev or uuid-dev)
<dneighbo> ah :)
<dneighbo> we get asked a lot so im sure someone added :)
<seva_> :))
<seva_> Receiving e2fsprogs-1.19.tar.gz (957756 bytes): 0%
<seva_> :)) for 10k lib :))
<Mr_You> load balancing with GEAS could be complicated
<seva_> Mr_You: I think so too :)) Especially with objects with state
<Mr_You> persistent connection oriented
<Mr_You> seva: that too
<Mr_You> you could spread connections across a cluster
<seva_> And what about db connections pooling?
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<Mr_You> *shrug*
<seva_> I have some problems with apache+php+persistent connections :)) (with 20-30 apaches*5-6different databases :))
<Mr_You> I guess manual/static db connections spread out.. or leave it to the database to handle load balancing.. 
<Mr_You> which I imagine postgresql doesn't do yet
<seva_> there are sql-relay which does it but I'm not tried it 
<seva_> dneighbo: /usr/ports/sysutils/e2fsprogs - it's for freebsd ports collection
<Mr_You> roommate got a dvd+mp3 player
<seva_> dneighbo: but it does not installs headers :))
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<dneighbo> Mr_You cool, i have one and love it
<dneighbo> seva_ as to persistent connects we have looked at sql relay some
<dneighbo> as to load balancing i think it would be tricky but do able
<seva_> cant get configure to find uuid/uuid.h in /usr/local/include, grrr
<seva_> checking Method system to use... test: ==: unexpected operator
<seva_> test: ==: unexpected operator
<seva_> unknown - defaulting to gmodule
<seva_> it's next :))
<dneighbo> im at work so dont have all the source or i owuld be of more help
<dneighbo> what is your ./configure parameters look like
<dneighbo> better yet what distro are you running?
<seva_> dneighbo: freebsd-4.4-stable :))
<seva_> dneighbo: env GLIB_CONFIG=/usr/local/bin/glib12-config CPPFLAGS="-I /usr/local/include" ./configure
<dneighbo> hmmm jcater you here?  you get geas working on BSD
<dneighbo> seva_ i know we have one or more folks with geas on bsd
<dneighbo> im not a bsd user per say
<seva_> dneighbo: bsd test does not accept ==
<seva_> changed to =, trying .. :))
<dneighbo> please let us know how it goes
<seva_> ok :))
<dneighbo> as we want to make sure we either fix so its not issue for others
<dneighbo> or document so other bsd'ers know what to do :)
<dneighbo> what time zone are you in seva?
<dneighbo> i dont hink any of the geas team is here right now in irc
<seva_> eest - GMT+3
<dneighbo> reinhard will more than likely be on in the morning (austrian time)
<dneighbo> which is probably similar to your time
<seva_> ok
<dneighbo> what time is it there?
<seva_> 22:40, there is plenty  of time :))
<dneighbo> :)
<dneighbo> yeah reinhard normally here about 23:00 my time
<dneighbo> which is about another 11 hours away
<dneighbo> chillywilly is here normally 
<dneighbo> the primary geas folks to date are
<dneighbo> chillywilly
<dneighbo> reinhard
<dneighbo> and
<dneighbo> neilt
<dneighbo> if you are around when i get home i can look into it also
<seva_> ok :))
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<dneighbo> jamest can maybe help too
<dneighbo> he runs solaris so may have encountered something similar
<seva_> i'm away for some 20-30 minutes...
<seva_> what is a difference beetween = and == operators in linux test ?
<seva_> checking Method system to use... unknown - defaulting to gmodule
<seva_> is last message ok ?
<Mr_You> whoo hoo dvd is cool heh
<jcater> hiya all
<dneighbo> hi jc
<jcater> another batch of 1000 renewal notices going out... all courtesy of gnue-reports + mailmerge sample :)
<seva_> it's compiled with methods=gmodule, started, but when it creates tables/initializes db on first start I got message about "cannot insert null in not null column classXXX"
<dneighbo> wooo hooo another use of gnue :)
<jcater> (well, with a little prodding of course)
<dneighbo> seva_ ah snap
<dneighbo> i recall this issue
<dneighbo> cant recall if that is 'warning' or if its been fixed
<seva_> with methods=python, it want libpython1.5
<dneighbo> you are not using cvs correct?
<seva_> dneighbo: for now - yes, geas-0.0.6
<seva_> I can use cvs if it helps :))
<seva_> do you have cvsup, or only remote cvs ?
<dneighbo> it might help
<seva_> I hate remote cvs :))
<dneighbo> define remote cvs?
<dneighbo> we support pserver and ssh
<seva_> cvs via rsh/ssh (cvs -d server:/home/cvs)
<seva_> I have only 33600 link at home :))
<seva_> can I help you setup cvsup server ? :))
<jbailey> seva_: Doesn't -z9 do the job for you?
<seva_> not for all cases :))
<seva_> i like cvs diff -u -r HEAD :))
<seva_>     * You now have a local copy of the repository.
<seva_> it's not a truth :))
<seva_> you have local copy of current sources :))
<seva_> this is on http://www.gnuenterprise.org/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=2
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<jamest> wazzup!
<jamest> you guys may remember me from long ago
<ajmitch> nope
<jamest> i wrote a lot of KrappyKode(tm) for gnuef
<jamest> i see lots of it is no longer in there though
<jamest> lets see....I also complained about goats alot
<jamest> now you remember me?
<ajmitch> umm, yeah, the one who claimed that mad goats ran rampant over his code
<jbailey> mad like angry?  =)
<jamest> yeah!
<jamest> thats me!
<jamest> :)
<jamest> so what's been up this last week ?
<jamest> jcater have reports,forms, and up a whole new rdbms coded up ?
<dneighbo> jamest kind of
<dneighbo> reports forms and gcomm (he decided remote procedure call abstraction was more usefull than a new rdbms)
<dneighbo> i think he fell ill thouhg
<dneighbo> barely averaging 10 commits a day
<ajmitch> heh
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<jamest> l8r dudes
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<chillywilly> ello
<chillywilly> anybody home?
<ajmitch> nope
<dneighbo> nada
<chillywilly> :'(
<chillywilly> no one loves me anymore
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<chillywilly> sulks, even
<ajmitch> heh
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<jcater> 'sup?
<chillywilly> waddup 'g'
<chillywilly> how's life treating you?
<jcater> like it always does
<jcater> :(
<chillywilly> I hear ya :(
<chillywilly> tis ok, we're here for you dawg ;)
<chillywilly> it's all about da bidness
<jcater> that's supposed to make me feel better?
<jcater> ya hear that the patriot anti-terrorism bill was signed?
<chillywilly> hey now
<jbailey> Are the components of gnue intended to have seperate or unified release schedules?
<chillywilly> ack!
<jbailey> (bayonne excepted, of course)
<chillywilly> plz shoot me now
<chillywilly> well jbailey they generally do
<jcater> jbailey: not necessarily unified
<jcater> we keep them separate to gain more exposure
<jbailey> So it would be better to build them as seperate packages, then.
<jcater> yes
<jbailey> 'k
<chillywilly> but iwe are sepearted ad UI/python stuff v. GEAS
<chillywilly> wrt release schedules/happening
<chillywilly> but this is just by convenience really....or random occurance
<jcater> we try to release often...
<jcater> at least once every season
<jcater> :)
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<chillywilly> no thanks to me
<chillywilly> bad chillywilly
Action: chillywilly has lots of project rotting away
<chillywilly> projects
<chillywilly> weee!
<chillywilly> but hey at least we have a release in sid
<chillywilly> yippeee
<ajmitch> hehe
<jbailey> Why isn't anonymous aloud to checkout all of the gnue module?  It gets  alock failure in www.
<chillywilly> hmmmm
<chillywilly> that shouldn't be
<chillywilly> in fact I think jcater and renhard are the only ppl who have commited code recently
<chillywilly> reinhard
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<jbailey> Blech, that's not setup well.  'www' is a symlink to your web repository, but *that* has different permissions, and is probably not anonymous friendly.
<jbailey> no, it is..
<jbailey> hmm,
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<chillywilly> mdean: wassup?
<chillywilly> how do you ppl feel about oracle consultants?
<mdean> nuttin 
<chillywilly> are they just as bad as SAP consultants?
<mdean> pricey
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<mdean> never worked with SAP - hardly worked with the Oracle consultants, although I had to do the Solaris config for them
<chillywilly> haha
<chillywilly> that sounds funny
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<chillywilly> 2.4.14-pre2 is out now ya know
<jbailey> GNUe wants python 2, yes?
<chillywilly> yep
<chillywilly> er, the python stuff does anyway
<chillywilly> GEAS does not need no stinkin' python
<chillywilly> :P
<chillywilly> well, only if you don't want python methods
<chillywilly> gah, I need a better connection
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> what should I have for dinner?
<jbailey> Big, Hot, Sexy li'l me. =)
<jbailey> err..
<jcater> now, now... not in public
<jbailey> now. NOW!..  
<jbailey> *sigh* and then he tells me not in public...
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<chillywilly> =)
<jbailey> Hmmm..  pot pie.
<jbailey> And I thought you were anti-narcotics.
<chillywilly> not that kinda pot
<chillywilly> ya goof
<jbailey> yeah, it'd just make you hungrier anyway.
<chillywilly> hehe
<jbailey> or wait..  maybe bush will make it a terrorist act to smoke pot!
<jcater> I can't decide between making General Tso's chicken, beef fried rice, enchiladas, or buying out
<jcater> I know... Krispie Kreme !!!
<chillywilly> a little pie that has veggies and meat and such in it and you bake it
<chillywilly> jcater: rofl
<jbailey> meat? eww. =)
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<chillywilly> vegans are just big weenies anyway
<chillywilly> look at Arc, he's the weirdest flaked out hippy weenie guy you'll ever meet
<dneighbo> jbailey ROCK ON
<dneighbo> im not a vegan cause i hate plants :)
<chillywilly> dneighbo: you never tall me to rock on
<chillywilly> screw you then
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<chillywilly> jbailey: btw, I dun get it
<chillywilly> but I am stupid anyway
<chillywilly> I need caffiene
<jcater> mmm... red beans and rice it is!
<chillywilly> ick
<chillywilly> beans are plants
<jbailey> jcater: That sounds good.  Hmmm.
<jbailey> I bought cumin yesterday.  They didn't have corriander and turmeric in. =(
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<chillywilly> fuck it I'll just take a bite right out of the cow 
<jcater> chillywilly: that'd be hairy
<chillywilly> true
<chillywilly> ...
<chillywilly> but I don't care
<jbailey> I keep forgetting that cows have hair.
<jbailey> Hey, if they stand still enough to tip 'em, I sure they stand still enough to shave 'em.
<jbailey> I mean, how big a bite can you take?  You don't need to shave that much.
<chillywilly> cows are lazy
<chillywilly> and stupid
<chillywilly> a lot like ppl
<chillywilly> :D
<jcater> I think being lazy is pretty darn smart
<chillywilly> haha
<chillywilly> I gotta here the rationale for this assertion
<chillywilly> programmers are lazy too
<jcater> yup
<chillywilly> http://www.nat.org/evolution2.php3
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<chillywilly> ::P
<jcater> mmm
<chillywilly> i.e., how to make kernel debs and such
<jcater> Raspberry Margarita + Red Beans 'n Rice.... doesn't get much better than this!
<chillywilly> don't get all blasted now
<chillywilly> where's you get the margarta from? you got a mix?
<chillywilly> er, margarita
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> Major Peters
<jcater> went by the local restaurant supply store today
<jcater> and stocked up on stuff :)
<chillywilly> hehe
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<jcater> when I get my ranch, I'll have a GNUe party there :)
<jcater> err, conference :)
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> ranch?
<chillywilly> a house you mean?
<jcater> land
<jcater> but we'll put a house on it I'm sure :)
<chillywilly> oh
<jcater> wife isn't into the whole camping thing :)
<chillywilly> camping is cool
<jcater> yip
<jcater> especially in the winter :)
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<chillywilly> go buy some networking equipment
<chillywilly> Well I am pissed at Caroline she was supposed to call me back
<chillywilly> fscking women
<jcater> that can be fun :)
<chillywilly> haha
<chillywilly> wonder if my ma is back
<chillywilly> the invisible man is on scifi now
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> how would you know?
<jcater> if he's invisible and all?
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<jcater> hmm
<jcater> trout
<jcater> that'd be good
<jcater> maybe tomorrow night
<chillywilly> not for me
Action: chillywilly is allergic to fish
<chillywilly> except  can eat canned tuna for some reason
<chillywilly> I can
<jcater> likely story
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<chillywilly> uh, no
<chillywilly> I am not fibbing
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<jcater> my mom's like that w/coconut
<jcater> you wouldn't believe what all has coconut or coconut oil in it
<jcater> Lawry's seasoning, Whipped Cream
<jcater> just to name a few common things
<dneighbo> lawrys?
<dneighbo> now that i would NOT have EVER guessed
<dneighbo> whipped cream i can believe
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<dneighbo> but i love coconut so maybe that explains it :)
<dneighbo> time to go home
<dneighbo> bye bye
<dneighbo> see ya all later
<dneighbo> later all
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<dtm> GREETINGS
<ajmitch> hi
<ajmitch> dtm: chillywilly was looking for your website, what's the URL? ;)
<dtm> http://mmmgood.net
<dtm> Silly chillywilly!
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