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<derek> quiet in here
Action: jcater passed derek some Q-tips
<jcater> err, passes
<derek> rofl
<derek> didnt help still quiet in here
<derek> jcater: you getting lots done?
<jcater> well
<jcater> I just took my Banana Walnut Bread out of the oven
<jcater> and it tastes good
<jcater> but I've just been to darn tired to do GNUe tonight
<jcater> :(
<jcater> which is bad, because I had the time tonight :(
<derek> whoa
<derek> no way
<derek> i watched blow tonight
<derek> and was wanting to look up some movie trivia
<derek> and i stumbled across
<derek> the bourne identity (schedule for release in 2002)
<derek> dont know if you like robert ludlum books but this is a MAJOR production starring matt damon
<jcater> cool
<ajmitch> hmm, i'm waiting for the fellowship of the ring to come out 
<derek> and julie stiles
<derek> http://us.imdb.com/Title?0258463
<jcater> she rocks
<ajmitch> no tolkien fans here then? ;)
<derek> ajmitch: tolkien was ok
<derek> i never much was a fan
<derek> i like my science fiction a little more hard ;)
<ajmitch> hehe
<derek> whacked
<derek> i saw frank herbert's son co-authored a new dune
Action: derek needs to start reading for fun again
<jcater> fun?
<ajmitch> yeah, i haven't done much reading this year
<jcater> wtf is that?
<ajmitch> jcater: ie, not reading manuals & programming books
<jcater> but
<jcater> that's fun? right?
<ajmitch> or textbooks for exam study ;)
Action: ajmitch should be studying now ;)
<jcater> fsck
<derek> rofl, ive convinced my self 'computer language books are fun'
<jcater> julia stiles is 4 yrs younger than I
Action: jcater is feeling old
<ajmitch> hehe
<ajmitch> derek: i got a nice thick 'programming python' book here ;)
<ajmitch> gotta keep myself busy over summer, i got nearly 4 months off ;)
<ajmitch> (once i finish exams in 2 weeks)
<derek> rofl
<derek> to both of you
<derek> jcater what year you born in ?
<jcater> '77
<derek> ouch, now i feel really old
Action: ajmitch is a young'un
<derek> i know it will be bad when some one says so and so is good looking and their birthday is past my graduation date
<derek> until then there is still hope :)
<jcater> rofl
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<jcater> I'll worry when the good looking ones are my son's age :)
<ajmitch> derek: what has happened to GEAS hacking?
<jcater> that didn't quite come out right, but you get the picture :)
<derek> yes i get the picture (pervert)
<derek> ;)
<derek> ajmitch: dont know
<derek> i have a lot to do, but think i need sleep instead
<ajmitch> k
<jcater> sleep?
<jcater> fun?
<derek> http://forchrist.com/fun.jpg
<derek> should provide y'all wit sum entertainment
<jcater> rofl
<jcater> of course, that looks like copyright infringement
<jcater> you becoming a terrorist?
<derek> crap you're on to me
<derek> in the states we have 'hard hats'
Action: ajmitch wonders whether to take up C coding as a hobby over summer
<derek> the darth vader helmet looks kinda like equiv of 'hard turban'
<derek> ajmitch: i advise against it
<derek> unless you like undue pain
<derek> OR
<ajmitch> derek: hehe
<derek> you want to kernel hack, write device drivers or other tedious programming items
<derek> C has little place IMO outside things that used to be done in assembler or things where speed is very very important
<ajmitch> gonna rewrite GEAS in python then, or will you find some poor fools that use C?
<derek> we have poor fools already
<derek> but we still are taking applications
<ajmitch> hehe
<ajmitch> i already know C, and need to use it next year at uni
<derek> i can honestly say, im not envying you
<jcater> course, C is great for "open source" projects where the author doesn't REALLY want to share the code :)
<derek> but then i recall on monday i get to play test the mainframe interfaces because of the mainframe upgrade and realize that cobol is as fun AND functional as C so I share your enjoyment :)
<ajmitch> hehe
<ajmitch> i don't mind C too much ;)
<derek> C has its uses
<derek> but i agree with jasons last comment
<derek> the only thing i can think of to make your code 'less' shareable
<derek> 'write it in perl' ;)
<ajmitch> rofl
<derek> actually the BEST program
<derek> woudl be one written in C
<derek> that often breaks out to assembler
<derek> but is randomly thrown in a directory structure
<ajmitch> perl makes /dev/random seem readable by comparison ;)
<derek> and you avhe to run a perl program to build the header files :)
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> you been studying gnome again?
<derek> rofl
<derek> actually i was thinking of gnucash
<derek> but gnome is same ;)
<ajmitch> hehe
Action: jcater is getting to old to stay up so late
<jcater> night all
<seva_> hi anybody
<jcater> seva_: howdy
<seva_> have a question: what is a functionality of gmodule methods?
<seva_> jcater: I compiled geas-0.0.6, and checked out cvs :))
<jcater> cool
<seva_> now will try it :))
<jcater> I haven't used geas much, so can't be much help there
<seva_> np
<jcater> later...
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<seva_> anybody home?
<seva_> what about curses forms ?
<seva_> [seva@domino][/home/seva/src/gnue/gnuef] ./setup.py build
<seva_> Checking for PyXML.... OK
<seva_> Checking for available UI drivers....
<seva_>   Pyncurses(Currently not working).... No
<seva_>   Curses(Currently not working).... OK
<seva_>   wxPython.... No
<seva_> No valid UI drivers are installed on this machine:
<seva_>   wxPython - www.wxpython.org
<seva_>   pyncurses - pyncurses.sourceforge.net
<seva_>   python curses - Read python install docs on how to activate
<seva_> it's from cvs version
<seva_> \who
<seva_>   
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<ra3vat> hi all
<ra3vat> seva_: you here?
<seva_> yes
<seva_> but i'm not sure I can help you :))
<ra3vat> seva_: you speaking russian?
<seva_> :)) ugu :))
<ra3vat> Привет, могу ответить на какие-то вопросы
<seva_> :))
<seva_> jasna :))
<seva_> u menja poka vopros kak eto vse voobshe zapustit' :))
<seva_> geas'a ja sobral
<seva_> ter' nado vse eti gnue-commony/etc pozapuskat'
<seva_> u menja poka polnyj bred i neponjatka :))
<seva_> ja eto vse pod frej zavogu
<ra3vat> a geas puskaetsa? on dolshen sgenerit' bazu iz gnue-config
<seva_> zapustilsja/sgeneril
<ra3vat> baza opisana tam v .gcd failach
<seva_> t.e. problema ne v tom chto chto to ne rabotaet, a v tom chto ja ne sovsem ponimaju chto imenno dolgno rabotat' :))
<seva_> a, gnue-config ja poka voobshe ne trogal
<ra3vat> ladno, poprobui gnue-common i gnuef
<ra3vat> delai install tam in gnuef ./setup.py devel
<seva_> ja poka v geas skazal make install
<seva_> sejchas posmotrju chto i kuda on razlogil
<seva_> nado bylo prefix kakoj-nit' skazat' navernoe :))
<ra3vat> v dir client uvidish gfclient i gfcvs
<ra3vat> eto client dla forms
<seva_> o, stoj :)) ne speshi :))
<ra3vat> v kachestve parametra nado ukazat' .gfd file s opisaniem formi
<ra3vat> translitom pisat uparishsa
<seva_> a, pytonovyj examples iz geas/example/python 
<seva_> spisok stran v pustoj baze pustoj delaet :))
<seva_> nado ego otkudato zasunut' :))
<seva_> pishi russkimi - mne vse ravno :))
<ra3vat> nado naiti dannie dla zagruzki
<seva_> ili tebe tratebe translit chitat' ne udobno ?
<ra3vat> posmotri /gnue/geas/tools/parse_load_sql.py
<ra3vat> on dolshen zagruzit' dannie naprimer iz gnue-config/base/location/defaults
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<seva_> vernulsja
<seva_> taks1
<seva_> 1. ja sobral i proinstalil geas
<seva_> teper' sobrat' i proinstalit' gnue-common?
<seva_> proinstallil
<ra3vat> <ra3vat> posmotri /gnue/geas/tools/parse_load_sql.py
<ra3vat> <ra3vat> on dolshen zagruzit' dannie naprimer iz gnue-config/base/location/defaults
<seva_> cp sample.gnue.conf gnue.conf
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<seva_> anybody home?
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<jamest> jcZzz: cvs should be fixed now
<javaguy> hey jamest
<javaguy> how go things w/ gnuef?
<jamest> i wouldn't know
<jamest> i don't think I've touched it in a month
<jamest> :(
<javaguy> aren't you working on it anymore?
<jamest> i should be
<jamest> but i've been way too busy with real life crap
<jamest> just like now
<javaguy> Now how that goes! ;)
<jamest> I'm heading out the door for a b-day party for my daughter
<jamest> l8r
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<javaguy> Huh...looks like someone got Gnome running on Compaq's iPaq
<javaguy> http://news.gnome.org/1004031199/
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<ra3vat> back
<seva_> ra3vat: gfclient rabotaet
<javaguy> hey ra3vat
<seva_> [seva@domino][/home/seva/src/gnue/gnuef/samples/geas] gfclient person.gfd
Action: javaguy is running a bit slow...downloading Open Office source
<seva_> iz pytonovskoj shtuki ja tuda podobavljal strany/persony, v baze ono pojavilos'
<seva_> no v gfcliente pusto
<javaguy> seva_: what language is that?
<seva_> javaguy: russian :))
<seva_> javaguy: with english letters :))
<javaguy> Oh, Cool!
<javaguy> I haven't the slightest clue what you're saying, but it sure looks neat
<seva_> :))
<seva_> javaguy: it's about my progress with gnue :))
<seva_> i'll got working geas and gfclient
<seva_> but gfclient doesnot show records from database
<seva_> i checked database with psql, there are records :))
<seva_> and country dropbox in form empty
<ra3vat> sorry back
<javaguy> seva_: can you make gfclient display the UI using cyrillic <sp?> characters?
<seva_> i'm dont know :))
<javaguy> Man, that would be cool if you could
<javaguy> Probably not a high priority, but it would still be cool
<ra3vat> javaguy: cirillic works
<javaguy> ra3vat: got any screen shots?
<seva_>  UnicodeError: UTF-8 decoding error: invalid data
<ra3vat> javaguy: i did it not for screenshots sorry :)
<javaguy> we should post screen shots showing gnuef being used to show the same UI
<javaguy> for different locales
<ra3vat> seva_: there should be some fixes not in cvs
Action: javaguy is easily entertained
<javaguy> Cool.  Mandrake has a mirror up on CAC at Penn State
<ra3vat> what form will you suggest for screenshoting?
<javaguy> how about person.gfd?
<seva_> AttributeError: GEAS_RecordSet instance has no attribute '_modifiedFields'
<seva_> it's when i press commit button
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<ra3vat> seva_: what form do you test?
<seva_> person.gfd
<seva_> from gnue/gnuef/samples/geas
<seva_> country dropbox empty
<seva_> and geas.log shows only login
<seva_> [2001-10-27 17:31:12 00000001 e: login_success u:root] 
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<seva_> heh, anything that i type goes to form in upper case
<seva_> it's not a python/wxPython issue, wxTextEntryDialog demo from wxPython distribution works ok
<javaguy> anyone know why I wouldn't be able to run a python script?
<javaguy> I'm trying to build gnue.  typing './setup.py' gets me an error
<javaguy> bash: ./setup.py: No such file or directory
<javaguy> permisions on setup.py are 0755
<javaguy> well, 'python setup.py' works, so I suppose it's not a big deal...
<seva_> javaguy: it's about interpreter in first line of file
<javaguy> shebang line is '#!python'.  I have python in PATH (/usr/bin/python)
<javaguy> <nitpick>
<seva_> javaguy: kernel does not check path for interpreter
<javaguy> setup script says 'Press Control-D to abort or any other key to continue'
<seva_> so you must write full path or standart hack of "/usr/bin/env python" 
<seva_> env does path search
<javaguy> but I have to press Return before the script recognizes the key press
<javaguy> </nitpick>
<seva_> javaguy: its line discipline issue :))
<seva_> you must switch terminal to raw mode before doing per char input
<javaguy> Ok.  Changing shebang works
<javaguy> Any reason we are using #!python instead of #!/usr/bin/env python ?
<seva_> really kernel does limited path search for user.cs_path: /usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:
<seva_> so if you are lucky, it works :))
<javaguy> but python is in /usr/bin
<javaguy> so #!python should work, right?
<seva_> it depends :))
<javaguy> is there a situation where #!/usr/bin/env python wouldn't work?
<seva_> only in env not in /usr/bin :))
<javaguy> now that I think about it, gnuef is supposed to be cross-platform
<javaguy> there would be no /usr/bin/env on windows or mac
<seva_> really this line must be filled by configure/etc
<javaguy> do other platforms use the shebang line?
<seva_> imho, nt nas some processing
<seva_> but i'm not sure
<seva_> really extension have preference on windows
<javaguy> so, shebang will most likely be used only on UNIX
<seva_> yes
<ra3vat> <entry name="bday" field="bday" x="10" y="8" width="16" height="1" uppercase="">
<javaguy> how difficult is it to convince Linux to do the right thing with #!python?
<ra3vat> seva_: note uppercase in there
<seva_> ra3vat: ic
<seva_> but cyrrilic not work
<seva_> DB010: [GFTrigger:82] No triggers to fire
<seva_> DB010: [GFInstance:393] Keypress event g
<seva_> DB010: [GFTrigger:82] No triggers to fire
<seva_> there are no events for cyrillic
<ra3vat> seva_: remote it and it will let you to put symbol in any cases
<ra3vat> seva_: wait for tomorrow and i will send what i dug for cyrillic
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<ra3vat> bbl
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<derek> sup jc
<jcater> morning
<jbailey> Can sed edit files in place?
<jcater> don'
<jcater> t think so
<jbailey> ah well.
<jcater> ed might work for you if it's simple enough
<jbailey> for x in *diff; do   sed -e s/binutils-2.11.92.0.5/binutils-2.11.92.0.10/ $x >$x.new; mv -f $x.new $x; done
<jbailey> It's ugly but it works. ;)
<jcater> :)
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<jbailey> And the binutils package churns away.
<jbailey> Anyone here running windows, and would you mind testing an executable for me?
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<derek> i dont have a 'monitor'
<derek> and windows is a monitor mandatory os unfortunately :(
<jbailey> oh well. =)  I found a debian package that uses the mingw32 libraries instead of the cygwin stuff.  If it works for a simple binary, I'll try compiling the gnue code with it.
<jbailey> but I need to test a hello world app, first.
<derek> what i find odd, funny etc
<derek> is people say linux is worthless
<derek> yet 0 out of 8 people here have windows box to readily test a hellow world app
<derek> hwen i say people say its worthless substitute people w/ press
<jbailey> I've been running nothing but GNU/Linux on my computer for 6 years or so..
<jbailey> well, as my primary OS.  Angie likes her video games. ;)
<derek> :)
<derek> windows is nothing more than child game station and quicken to me
<derek> and development platform occassionally for porting folks OFF of windows
<jcater> as soon as non-development tools mature on linux, hopefully I can switch at work
<jbailey> derek: Have you looked at gnucash lately?  It does a very nice job.
<jbailey> jcater: Which tools specifically?
<jcater> as soon as I can get QuarkXPress for Linux, my whole office will convert :)
<jcater> but I'm optimistic
<jcater> as Quark is primarily a Mac app
<jcater> and they will HAVE to port to Mac OS X
<jbailey> Quarks' a tough one because it's so specialized.
<jcater> yip
<jbailey> Most geeks don't want to do publishing, so it's less likely to get coded.,
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<ToyMan> jbaily: Gnucash is nice, but no on-line bill paying
<jbailey> ToyMan: Ah.  Quicken's stuff doesn't work in Canada (last time I checked), so that wasn't a show stopped for me.
<ToyMan> is Quark working on a 'nix version???
<jcater> ToyMan: not currently
<jcater> only Win and Mac
<jbailey> It's ugly enough, and clunky enough, it'd fit right in.
<jcater> 'course, framemaker is available for unix
<jcater> but it's slightly different
<ToyMan> I'm talking about thier "we'll write the checks for you" thing..what is it called?  I forget
<ToyMan> my wife uses it A LOT.  
<derek> gnucash is nice if you are running the latest and greatest
<derek> otherwise forget it
<ToyMan> and I could never get her to switch until that hole is plugged
<derek> 1.4.x works but try 1.6 on redhat 6.2
<jbailey> derek: Almost all Free Software sucks unless you use the latest version. =)
<derek> honestly i think gnucash development is a cluster job (sorry)
<ToyMan> even though from a financial control viewpoint, Quicken is a conceptual mess
<derek> jbailey: they have like 600 dependencies
<derek> that arent even common
<derek> its REALLY REALLY REALLY BAD
<derek> join their mail list
<derek> they get hundreds of rpms dont work for me
<derek> etc
<derek> quicken clone should install EASILY
<jcater> it seems backwards for a *nix program to require you to completely upgrade your OS to use it
<derek> as its the first thing a non techie trying windows is likely to attempt
<derek> er trying linux from windows
Action: ToyMan checks the ports for gnucash...
<derek> anyhow i wont publicly discuss anymore :)
<derek> gnucash is a good project doing good things
<ToyMan> bsd ports has 1.6.2_1 is that the most current?
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<derek> nope but close enough
<derek> i think 1.6.4 might be newest
<ToyMan> hmmm.  I think I'll wait.  /me is using his fileserver for a 'nix workstation at the moment
<ToyMan> wich is a BAD thing...;)
<derek> um better than using a windows workstation :)
<ToyMan> and i think I won't push my luck with apps I don't really need at the moment
<derek> you wont need gnucash :)
<derek> not at work anyhow
<ToyMan> uh, I tried that with my NT4 fs...unbelievably slow...and flakey
<ToyMan> well i hope not!
<jbailey> derek: Nope, you'll need the accounting module in GNUe. =)
<ToyMan> you mean you guys aren't working on a gnucash plugin???
<derek> jbailey: i was thinking all funds just went to gnue bank account
<derek> ToyMan: i tried
<ToyMan> heh, i was kidding...
<derek> thats why i said i wont speak publicly anymore
<derek> there is a LARGE history behind the two projects
<jbailey> I've never considered quicken or gnucash for anything other than home.  It's not built for it.
<jbailey> Mind you, I use to love Accpac, so that might show where I'm coming from.
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<jcater> nothing like a double-entry ledger for my paltry bank account :)
<jcater> and I'm sure wife can justiify a complete "payables" system
<jcater> although "receivables" might not need to be installed
<jbailey> IC?
<jbailey> or it might be better not knowing... =)
<jcater> lol
<ToyMan> heh, outlook 6 couln't import my wife's outlook5 mail, but Kmail could...
<ToyMan> shitheads
<jbailey> Don't say that.  I've got a paying job to stuff an outlook5 mailbox into outlook 6.. 
<ToyMan> make sure you EXPORT from outlook5
<ToyMan> it doesn't work to just copy the .dbx files over anymore
<ToyMan> and for some reason outlook 5 isn't included in the import list for outlook6
<ToyMan> that's just brilliant...
<jbailey> The outlook 5 is corrupted and crashes, so I'm going to try installing outlook 5 on my machine (if I can find it) and load it in there so I can export it properly.
<jcater> but with .NET all this will be solved... upgrades will happen without you knowing :)
<ToyMan> make sure you virus scan the old mailbox
<jbailey> That's not true, they show up on your credit card statement!
<ToyMan> jcater: only your credit card will know...
<ToyMan> about the virus scan, if you've got infected messages and are running some some scanning software on the new box
<ToyMan> the transfer will likely choke and die if it finds a bad one..
<ToyMan> at least it did for me :(
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<derek> i cant handle the privacy issues windows has anylonger
<derek> its just wrong evil and soon to be legal
<jcater> privacy?
<jcater> I thought the PATRIOT act did away w/that already?
<derek> yes it did
<derek> its really a sad state
<derek> everyone predicted a hole in the GPL would happen and free software would be doomed, but quite realistically the demise of free software will come in form of legislation
<ToyMan> http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-anygui/ ibm is developing a generic gui wrapper for python..
<jbailey> They can't stuff us all in jail. =)
<jcater> ToyMan: I've looked at that... it will be cool once there's actually filling there :)
<ToyMan> ibm has been coming thru with some nice stuff, this one might make it with them behind it
<derek> :)
<derek> yes it looks promising
<derek> i might try to use my ibm contacts to see if maybe ibm would take interest in gnue
<derek> using htis
<derek> this
<derek> as it makes gnue even more attractive and thier product more attractive yet maybe we wouldnt have to do any of the work of supporting it :)
<ToyMan> good thinking...
<ToyMan> could you link to DB2 on the back end?
<ToyMan> that would REALLY get their attention!
<jcater> ToyMan: a guy at IBM wrote out DB2 backend for us :)
<jcater> out=our
<jcater> I don't think it was "official" ibm stuff, but none-the-less, it was an IBM dude
<ToyMan> such a paltry little DB, dunno if it could handle the MASSIVE data flow from a mega-corp such as mine ;)
<derek> yip, db2 was contributed by a foreign ibmer
<jcater> have we released since we've had db2 support?
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<derek> btw: i think i can now 'test' db2 support at work
<derek> just need to install the db2 client libs
<jcater> cool
<jcater> I have db2 here, but haven't had time to test
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<jcater> I have a plethora of DB's here at home (installed)
<jcater> just no time to test :(
<derek> hmm got my osdl account today
<jbailey> Hrmmm..  Is geas supposed to be able to cross compile to windows?  It uses orbit...
<derek> jcater can we release some time soon
<derek> jbailey: no
<derek> well kind of
<derek> last i heard, geas was windows ready
<derek> BUT it depended on orbit which well didnt do windows well :)
<derek> I PERSONALLY am on a kick to lobby that we move to omniORB
<derek> which runs on windows just fine
<derek> and is much more stable and well built
<derek> for business applications is licensed under gpl and rock solid python bindings
<derek> the big issue is it has no C bindings :)
<derek> BUT
<derek> jcater is feverishly working on gcomm an rpc abstraction mechanism that would give lots of flexibility
<derek> at minimum omniORB could be used on windows for forms clients
<derek> at a maximum geas will use GCOMM and it too can use omniorb :)
<jbailey> derek: Does that mean I can ignore trying to make sure that geas is packagable under windows?
<jcater> hehe
<jcater> feverishly?
<jcater> actually, that is my current focus
<jcater> as I need that abstraction for my reports server
<jcater> I basically have the reporting engine done, but no way to "Serve it up" :)
<derek> jbailey: yes for now
<jbailey> derek: Excellent!
<ajmitch> morning all :)
<jcater> ajmitch: morning
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<derek> anyone here competent with postgres
<derek> if i have a table with
<derek> myfoo, yourfoo, ourfoo, somefoo, thefoo, toughfoo
<derek> is there a way for me export that data easily
<derek> but only export myfoo, yourfoo, ourfoo
<derek> i know i can do a pgdump to dump the whole table 
<derek> i can write something to do this, but hoping maybe pg has some builtin functionality for this
<derek> i thought select into might work
<derek> anyone know anything about this?
<ajmitch> nope, i would guess using sql is best way
<ajmitch> but i have hardly ever used postgres
<jcater> you can use pg_dump --table="tablename"
<derek> jcater but that dumps entire table
<derek> suppose that is what i will do
<jcater> I know that does one at a timeoh
<jcater> oh
<jcater> those are columns
Action: derek needs friggin secure connection to postgres
<jcater> hehe... it'd help if I read what you wrote :)
<derek> working with postgres remotely is ok for SOME things
<derek> but for heavy duty work it just sucks
<derek> as its too hard to use programs / tools against it
<jcater> at a minimum, you can set up a ssh tunnel w/ssh -L
<derek> yes thats what i need to do
<derek> the 'setup' part is too difficult for me :)
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<sevik> derek: you can build postgres with ssl
<sevik> and use psql -h host database
<derek> yes i know
<sevik> configure --enable-ssl
<sevik> generate ssl keys put it into data/server.key data/server.csr
<derek> yes thas the plan
<derek> but i dont have root on that server :)
<derek> so it happening today :)
<sevik> :))
<sevik> and you can setup sshtunnel ass suggested early too :))
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<jbailey> You guys need someone to do a 'kernel cousin GNUe'
<ajmitch> jbailey: you wanna volunteer? ;)
<jbailey> If I had time I would.
<psu> hi all
<jbailey> psu: Do you have time? =)
<psu> i have time, just dunno what i'm doing
<psu> (not just re. GNUe, life in general ;-)
<jbailey> psu: Well, the kernel cousins are pretty easy, it's a weekly summary of what's happened (IRC, and email lists.  Sometimes ChangeLog's too).  You just need to read them and quickly throw it together.  Typically they're about a page.
<sevik> hi anybody
<sevik> i still cant get working geas+gfclient combo 
<psu> IANAP (I am not a programmer), so if I'm going to help with anything, gotta be docs.
<jbailey> See?  This is perfect!
<ajmitch> hehe
<jbailey> Have you read the kernel cousins before?  They're at http://kt.zork.net/
<ajmitch> yep
<psu> nope. off to have a look
<sevik> when i start gfclient ..../person.gdf from gnuef/samples/geas/person.gfd i can login, but countriy dropbox is empty
<sevik> debug output from geas show query to database for addressbook__country
Action: psu having a look - brb
<sevik> the same query in psql give results
<sevik> i can see caountries and persons in geas python sample
<sevik> hey, anybody home ? :))
<jbailey> I'm here, and I'm recruiting people documentation type tasks.  gnue, hurd, your choice. ;)
Action: psu is back
<psu> doesn't look too intimidating...
<psu> of course, gnue is almost entirely irc-based rather than mail
<jbailey> No, and you can see that they release on their own schedule (although they try for once a week)
<psu> (except for the occasional spam)
<jbailey> True, but the irc conversations are logged.  No reason you couldn't work from that.
<jbailey> Probably actually be easier than following a long thread over a couple of weeks.
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<psu> obviously better if I'm around online
<psu> but at a minimum, I could just review the irc logs once a week 
<psu> & do a quick summary
<psu> presumably both submit it to KC
<psu> & post it to the new gnue portal front page
<jbailey> Yeah.  That way there's regular news up there about summaries, etc.
<ajmitch> yeah, gnue mailing lists that i'm on seem *really* quiet
<sevik>   File "/home/seva/src/gnue/.cvsdeveldir/gnue/common/dbdrivers/geas/DBdriver.py", line 58, in _postChanges
<sevik>     for field in (self._modifiedFields.keys()):
<sevik> AttributeError: GEAS_RecordSet instance has no attribute '_modifiedFields'
<jbailey> Well, this will likely draw attention, and hopefully more hackers and other good folks.
<jbailey> psu: I've spoken to Zack a couple of times, he's really nice.  mailto:zbrown@tumblerings.org
<psu> to be fair, mailing lists can go to the other extreme
<ajmitch> psu: i know ;)
<ra3vat> sevik: what is your geas database name?
<psu> joined one the other day, left after 1/2 a day
<psu> 50+ emails.
<sevik> ra3vat: gnue
<psu> Not fun for us poor dial-up users
<ajmitch> psu: only 50? i get lots more than that from some lists ;)
<ajmitch> i'm subscribed to many lists (and i use a modem too)
<psu> I must start doing some serious bullying of my cable operator
<psu> about cable modem
<psu> it's been "Real Soon Now" since we were "hooked & booked"
Action: ajmitch wonders if he shoudl volunteer for GEAS work
<ra3vat> sevik:  <database name="gnue" provider="geas" dbname="test" host="localhost"/>
<ra3vat> sevik: check what dbname in your person .gfd
<ra3vat> may be it should refer to one entry in connections.conf. Am I right/
<sevik> set it this way - the same
<sevik> <database name="gnue" provider="geas" dbname="gnue" host="gnue"/>
<sevik> <database name="gnue" provider="geas" dbname="gnue" host="localhost"/>
<sevik> SQL query: 'SELECT addressbook__country.id,addressbook__country.inhabitants,addressbook__country.name,addressbook__country.sys_cre_time,addressbook__country.sys_cre_user,addressbook__country.sys_id,addressbook__country.sys_mod_time,addressbook__country.sys_mod_user,addressbook__country.year_budget FROM addressbook__country ORDER BY addressbook__country.name DESC'
<sevik> there are query to db
<ajmitch> hmm, they have some useful tools there for making KC summaries
<ra3vat> sevik: got any success?
<sevik> no
<sevik> queries go to postgres and postgres accpts and executes them
<jbailey> ajmitch: I'm sure psu wouldn't say no to help ;
<jbailey> )
<sevik> but gfclient shows nothing
<sevik> and attempt to commit changes throws:   File "/home/seva/src/gnue/.cvsdeveldir/gnue/common/dbdrivers/geas/DBdriv
<sevik>  line 286, in commit
<sevik>     self._dataConnection.commit()
<sevik> AttributeError: commit
<sevik> for emty record
<sevik> and:   File "/home/seva/src/gnue/.cvsdeveldir/gnue/common/dbdrivers/geas/DBdriv
<sevik>  line 58, in _postChanges
<sevik>     for field in (self._modifiedFields.keys()):
<sevik> AttributeError: GEAS_RecordSet instance has no attribute '_modifiedFields'
<sevik> for new modified record
<ra3vat> from menu click Data->EnterQuery, Data->ExecuteQuery
<ajmitch> jbailey: i'm not a docs person ;)
<sevik> ra3vat: DB000:   File "/home/seva/src/gnue/.cvsdeveldir/gnue/common/GDataObjects.py", line 109, in createResultSet
<sevik> DB000:     return self._createResultSet(conditions, readOnly=readOnly, masterRecordSet=masterRecordSet)
<sevik> DB000:   File "/home/seva/src/gnue/.cvsdeveldir/gnue/common/dbdrivers/geas/DBdriver.py", line 270, in _createResultSet
<sevik> DB000:     if len(conditions):
<sevik> DB000: AttributeError: GCondition instance has no attribute '__len__'
<sevik> for not empty name field
<ra3vat> sevik: can you give gfclient a try in two tier mode first? 
<sevik> ra3vat: how to do this?
<ra3vat> <ra3vat> sevik:  <database name="gnue" provider="geas" dbname="test" host="localhost"/>
<ra3vat> just change provider to "postgresql"
<psu> oops, just discovered the full list of mailing lists on http://lists.gnue.org/mailman/listinfo
<sevik> DB000:   File "/home/seva/src/gnue/.cvsdeveldir/gnue/common/dbdrivers/postgresql/DBdriver.py", line 43, in ?
<sevik> DB000:     raise GConnections.AdapterNotInstalled, \
<sevik> DB000: AttributeError: 'gnue.common.GConnections' module has no attribute 'AdapterNotInstalled'
<ajmitch> jbailey: you tested if GNUe stuf works on GNU/Hurd?
<jbailey> No python2.
<ajmitch> aww, that's no fair
<ra3vat> sevik: you need pygresql
<sevik> yes
<sevik> installing...
<ajmitch> noone get around to building it, or doesn't it build?
<jbailey> Noone's tried.  They haven't accepted the patches I sent almost a year ago for python1 yet. =(
<ajmitch> oh
<jbailey> I'm sure the autobuilder will try it soon, though.
<ajmitch> yeah
<psu> i thought the mail list I was on (gnue.gnu.org) was all there was.
Action: ajmitch will have to use his gnu/hurd install a bit more soon
<ajmitch> psu: lists.gnue.org
<jbailey> ajmitch: Are you friendly with the python authors?  I've got too much on my plate to chase it right now.
<ajmitch> jbailey: hehe, nope, never talked to them, don't know them ;)
<sevik> DB000:   File "/home/seva/src/gnue/.cvsdeveldir/gnue/common/dbdrivers/_dbsig/DBdriver.py", line 244, in _createResultSet
<sevik> DB000:     raise GDataObjects.ConnectionError, err
<sevik> DB000: gnue.common.GDataObjects.ConnectionError: error 'ERROR:  parser: parse error at or near "::"
<sevik> DB000: ' in 'SELECT * FROM addressbook::country WHERE (((1 = '2')))'
<ajmitch> jbailey: what sorta hardware do you need for an autobuilder? i'm thinking my computer could be a little slow
<jbailey> Well, I'm using a P2/233 with 128 megs of ram.
<ajmitch> jbailey: hmm, i've got a K6/233, i might take 128MB from this computer
<psu> thanks ajmitch.
<ajmitch> might as well use my computers for something useful ;)
<sevik> ra3vat: it works
<ra3vat> sevik: cool
<ra3vat> sevik: what did you do?
<jbailey> ajmitch: I don't need help churning through packages yet - I more need help get bug fixes done.
<sevik> but need some patching for table name addressbook__person and bday->birthday
<ajmitch> jbailey: ah, k
<psu> jbailey - I will have a go at doing a summary of the irc logs & mail lists for the past week
<sevik> it works in 2tier mode, not with geas
<jbailey>  ajmitch: If you have any time to spare on that, it would be appreciated.
<psu> & email it to you for "constructive criticism" 
<ajmitch> jbailey: i'll see ;)
<psu> too detailed, too summarised, etc
<jbailey> psu: Excellent.  jbailey@nisa.net - remind me at the time why you're sending it to me.  I get *way* too much email.
<psu> I will also contact Zack about formal Kernal Cousins status
<psu> but even if we can't do that 
<sevik> new record gives error, but I think it's normal
<sevik> ConnectionError: error 'ERROR:  ExecAppend: Fail to add null value in not null attribute sys_id
<sevik> ' in 'INSERT INTO addressbook__person (addr1,countrycode,name,addr2) VALUES ('23','qw','BUBU','123')'
<psu> at least it can go onto Gnue
Action: psu is off to d/l the irc logs
<ra3vat> sevik: why is it using  _dbsig/DBdriver.py instead of postgresql/DBdriver.py
Action: psu wonders what he's gotten himself into
<jbailey> psu: ;)
<ra3vat> sevik: for two tier mode use any other db not those generated for geas
<sevik> ok, but I need geas mode :))
<ra3vat> sevik: i see ;)
<sevik> ra3vat: about _dbsig - possible it's inherited method
<sevik> in other cases it reports postgresql/DBdriver.py
<sevik> how I can debug geas mode?
<sevik> what are status of geas provider for gf ? 
<jbailey> psu: I don't see why he wouldn't give you formal kernel cousin status.  GNUe will be a huge project and need several people to write the summaries as soon as a few more modules are written.
<sevik> revision 1.18
<sevik> date: 2001/10/24 21:42:25;  author: jcater;  state: Exp;  lines: +1 -10
<sevik> updated driver to reflect that, as of python 2.0, md5 package can output hex direct
<sevik> ly
<sevik> ----------------------------
<sevik> revision 1.17
<sevik> date: 2001/10/17 22:26:53;  author: jcater;  state: Exp;  lines: +1 -1
<sevik> synching machines (surprise, huh?)
<sevik> ----------------------------
<sevik> revision 1.16
<sevik> date: 2001/09/28 02:05:04;  author: jamest;  state: Exp;  lines: +13 -20
<sevik> GEAS driver work
Action: jbailey is away: shower
<ra3vat> sevik: configure it with --enable-debug and start as ./geas-server -d[number]
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<sevik> ra3vat: I done that, but there too many messages :))
<sevik> ok, I'll away for 30-40 minutes
Action: jbailey is back (gone 00:33:43)
<derek> btw: i plan on doing a weekly summary for gnue VERY soon
<derek> just gnue has been 'quiet' lately so didnt want to burst on the scene with a whimper
<ajmitch> sounds fun
<ajmitch> so psu might be out of a job then? ;)
<ajmitch> brb
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<jcBusy> derek: darn.. I guess I better stop stating my socio-political views in IRC then :)
<derek> oh was he volunteering?
<derek> if so tis all his, i only read about 1/3 of my back log
<derek> jcBusy: nah dont do that
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<jcBusy> how's those diamondbacks doin?
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<dnDiamondBacks> we kicked arse
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<javaguy> I'll take that to mean that the Arizona Diamondbacks won?
<javaguy> hey derek
<derek> yip 9 to 1
<javaguy> Cool.  I never really could get into competitive sports
<javaguy> so how are things looking for the next release?
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<jcater> CORBA is one confusing mother
<jcater> (...that was on my fortune cookie :)
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