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<sevik> does anybody have working gnuef+geas setup ?
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<ra3vat> sevik: maybe jamest?
<sevik> ra3vat: hi is  offline now seems
<ra3vat> sevik: personally i had some problem after reinstalling system at home and not tested it for a while
<ra3vat> do you have any progress?
<sevik> for now: working 2 tier mode for gnuef and working geas+python example
<sevik> so seems geas gnuef driver problem
<sevik> i'll be at work in 1-2 hours and wiil look at geas driver :))
<ra3vat> it worked for me some days
<sevik> I'm novice in python :))
<sevik> nadaelo :))
<sevik> ja hochu sravnit' geas i postgresql i posmotret' chto tam menjalos' v poslednee vremja
<sevik> poskol'ku soobshenija ob oshibkah takie, chto pohoge chto vrehnij uroven' (interfejs) pomenjalsja, a konkretno geas'ovyj drajver pod nego ne pomenjali
<sevik> on pro vsjakie missing filelds/etc rasskazyvaet
<sevik> sootvetstvenno i vopros - rabotaet li eto u kogo nibud' i esli rabotaet to na kakoj versii
<ra3vat> ne mogu skazat' nichego poka ne vossanovlu svoi ustanovki
<sevik> lana, eto konkretika :)) est' eshe para/trojka global'nyh voprosov :))
<sevik> mogut li v geas byt' dolgo givushie businessobjects?
<sevik> t.e. nechto kotoroe startuet/restartitsja vmeste s geas'om i otvechaet na zaprosy/hranit tek sostojanie ?
<sevik> i v chem raznica/kakaja funkcional'nost' pythom i gmodule method systems?
<sevik> t.e. menja geas interesuet imenno ne kak hodilka na bazu, a kak derzhalka n-nogo kolichestva dolgozhivushih objectov
<sevik> t.e. oni budutperiodicheski sohranjat' svoe sostojanie v base, dlja togo chtoby perepodnimat'sja na restarte no v osnovnom oni dolgny git'
<sevik> est' li vozmognost' shedulit' sobytija cherez nekotoroe vremja ?
<sevik> mogut li businessobjects projavljat' vneshnuju activity ? t.e. puskat' programmuliny/etc
<ra3vat> poka dumayu do etich voprosov ne mnogie dobiralis
<sevik> grrr
<ra3vat> reshalas zadacha chtobi eto voobshe rabotalo
<ra3vat> s drugoi storoni
<sevik> prosto u menja est' xotcl'nyj prototip takoj shtuki, no mne ochen' lenivo ego samomu supportit', sootvetstvenno est' gelanie vzjat' chto-to hotjaby na polovinu gotovoe
<sevik> pljus mne nugena budet normal'naja bugalterija
<sevik> pljus mne nugny rabotajushie formochki i gnuef v 2tier mne vpolne ponravilsja
<ra3vat> nu buchgalteriyu dla ua ili ru vrjatli kto budet delaat'
<sevik> osobenno esli budet win32 klient givoj :))
<sevik> ra3vat: menja interesuet ne realizacija konkretnoggo zakonodatel'stva :))
<sevik> t.e.menja interesuet realizacija osnovnyh principov - scheta/provodki/glavnaja kniga
<sevik> t.e. eto budet ne vneshnjaja bugalterija dlja obshenija s nalogovoj :))
<ra3vat> s drugoi storoni methodi of businessobject - programma na pythone i tuda moshno vstatit' lyubuyu funcionalnost'
<sevik> ra3vat: ona givet v address space geas'a ili otdel'nym processom ?
<sevik> ili eto i est' raznica megdu gmodule i python ? :))
<sevik> poskol'ku pri python on pitona vnutr' embeddit
<ra3vat> navernoe v address space? nado sprashivat reihard ili neilt
<sevik> a pod chto ty gnue ispol'zuesh'?
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<ra3vat> poka ni pod chto ser'ezno. V 2-tier mode you menya est gotovaya baza k kotoroi delayu probnie formi
<sevik> a kak u pithona voobshe s russkimi bukvami ?
<ra3vat> delal primer pod geas no bez form dla zabora kursa dollara s rbc.ru
<sevik> o, a cheto tam bylo ?
<sevik> t.e. periodicheskaja hodilka, ili hodilka kogda sprosjat s keshirovaniem?
<ra3vat> no rabochi driver forms-geas poyavilsa ne davno i dolgo ne rabotal vizov methods na python iz geas 
<sevik> jasna
<sevik> a pro rbc?
<ra3vat> tak chto you vsech poka pervie probi
<sevik> a naskol'ko davno etot project voobshe givet/
<ra3vat> aktivno s vesni proshlogo goda 
<sevik> pochti dva goda, namana 
<ra3vat> geas'om zanimalas firma s novoi zelandii. odin paren' sidel na zarplate 
<ra3vat> no seichas ego net
<sevik> eto ja chital gdeto
<sevik> a sejchas s geas'om kto-to chtoto delaet ili on zamerz?
<chillywilly> ello
<ra3vat> s geasom naibolee plotno zanimayutsa neilt i reihard
<ra3vat> chillywilly: hi
<sevik> jasna
<chillywilly> http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-anygui/
<sevik> chillywilly: :)) hi
<chillywilly> what do you guys think of this monster?
<chillywilly> hello ra3vat, sevik
<sevik>  A popular joke about Java is that it is "write once, debug  everywhere."
<sevik> :))
<chillywilly> hehe
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<ra3vat> poslednee vremya mnogo obsushdalos' ispol'zovanie drugich orb vmesto orbit naprimer omniorb
<ra3vat> t k orbit ne drushit s windowsom
<chillywilly> uh, yea what he said
<sevik> ra3vat: mne eto ne ochen' principial'no :)) hotja ja v gnome sigu :)) 
<ra3vat> poetomu ponadobyatsa izmeneniya v geas 
<chillywilly> I don't see why someone just does not create a generic xml standard for GUIs
<MicahY> glade close enough?
<chillywilly> I dunno
<chillywilly> you would have to get everyone to agree upon things and adopt this standard
<sevik> ra3vat: nu na samom dele vse orb'y vsege orb'y :)) t.e. na network level oni compatibel'ny
<chillywilly> not an easy task
<MicahY> or maybe XUL
<ra3vat> sevic; na rbc.ru est texstovii fail s kursami na dannii den' mne dosatocho raz v den' brat' ottuda dannie pro usd i sochranyat' v geas(test only) i druguyu bazu  
<sevik> ra3vat: prosto vopros - na rbc ty hodish' iz geas'a ili otdel'nym scriptom idesh' na rbc i prosto zasovyvaesh' dannye v geas?
<ra3vat> zasovivayu :) ha, a vot interesno eto sdelat' kak method
<sevik> ugu :))
<ra3vat> vot togda i shedule ponadobitsa
<sevik> ugu :))
<ra3vat> poka proshe otdelnim scriptom
<sevik> prosto kogda otdel'nyj scriptov 5 - eshe normal'no :)) kogda 10 - toge, no 20 eto mnogo :))
<sevik> slishkom bol'shie crontaby poluchajutsja, pljus vzaimnye dependencies/blokirovki/etc
<sevik> ja nekotoroe vremja nazad na erlang'a smotrel :)) toge monstr :))
<sevik> tam kucha ochen' pravil'nyh shtuk est'
<ra3vat> erlang/
<ra3vat> erlang?
<chillywilly> hmmm, did my clock just turn back?
<chillywilly> is it that time of the year?
<sevik> ra3vat: ugu
<sevik> http://www.erlang.org
<ra3vat> sevik: found it :)
<sevik> u nih est' sobstvennaja distributed DB
<sevik> sobstvennyj analog rpc
<sevik> mul'tizadachnost' v odnom processe
<sevik> supervised threads
<sevik> t.e. potencial'no oshibochnye taski, kotorye kontrolirujutsja i otstrelivajutsja po neobhodimosti i t.d.
<sevik> no on bytecode'ovyj
<sevik> ra3vat: a nu i v dushe on prolog na samom dele :))
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<dtm> werd
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<sevik> \who
<sevik> grrr, geas dbdriver does not like as finished or even working :))
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<derek> sevik: when you guys talk in all russian we cant help in the backlogs any
<derek> yes the geas driver has 'issues' currently
<derek> jamest is working to get it back to usable state
<derek> if you grab releases it works
<derek> but cvs is broken
<ra3vat> derek: we do it in hope that more russians will come :)
<sevik> derek: ok, thanks
<sevik> derek: about russian - in some cases it's too difficult speak english between two
<sevik> russianspeaking :))
<derek> sevik: not critizing i think its GREAT
<derek> it shows that gnue is not just for americans
<sevik> :))
<sevik> ok
<derek> just saying if you are discussing problems that not seeming to solve
<derek> if you drop them in english
<derek> though no one maybe around at the time, we often read the back logs and respond in logs
<derek> almost like a mailing list 
<derek> definitely not saying dont speak in russian here :)
<sevik> there was some questions from me about functionality of geas
<sevik> 1. difference between different method systems - python and gmodule
<derek> yes that issue
<sevik> 2. possibility of long living objects in geas (which syncs to db periodically for restartinc/crash recovery)
<derek> yes geas needs more discussing :)
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<dnChurch> hi stu
<dnChurch> running out door
<dnChurch> bbl
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<Mr_You> heeeeeellllloooooooooooooooooooooooo
<sevik> Mr_You: hi :))
<Mr_You> whats up, where are you? (ua)
<sevik> ua - ukraine :))
<Mr_You> ahh
<sevik> chernobyl, tu-154 :))
<Mr_You> you worked with GNUe much?
<sevik> not much :)) from yesterday :))
<Mr_You> ahh.. well welcome ;-)
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<Mr_You> j/k ;-)
<sevik> :))
<Mr_You> you a coder or no?
<sevik> but seems that i'm going into emergency zone - geas+gnuef :))
<sevik> coder too :))
<Mr_You> heh, emergency zone?
<sevik> seems there are some issues with geasand it's interaction with forms :))
<Mr_You> yeah its currently in the alpha stage, hang out here and help us out and we'll help you out ;-)
<sevik> :))
<sevik> I looked at code of geas dbdriver, there are some prints :))
<Mr_You> its coming along..
<Mr_You> not sure what you mean
<sevik> in methods like next_record/etc there are print 'something' instead of actual code
<Mr_You> oh, well get to work ;-)
<Mr_You> I code very little.. 
<sevik> i'm novice in python too :))
<sevik> i look at it from yesterday :)) same as gnue :))
<Mr_You> heh
<sevik> I'm mostly using tcl 
<Mr_You> well gotta go get some stamps.. I'll be sure to watch out for any white powdery substances.. ;-)  bbl
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<Mr_You> hey chilly
<chillywilly> hi
<Mr_You> saw Iron Monkey, best kung-fu movie I've ever seen ;-)
<chillywilly> do you guys think homosexuality is a political cause worth defending?
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<Mr_You> what rights have been violated?
<Mr_You> right to marriage?
<chillywilly> I dunno just sounded retarded the way they said it
<Mr_You> anyone seen madlocke?
<chillywilly> nope
<chillywilly> did he ever give up the code for this web forms stuff?
<chillywilly> or it still a mystical imaginary animal
<chillywilly> :P
<chillywilly> hey Mr_You I was jamming the guitar during church service today ;)
<Mr_You> sweet
<Mr_You> still mystical to me :-(((
<Mr_You> and I want to work on it
<chillywilly> anyone here smoke?
<Mr_You> cigarettes?
<Mr_You> not those ;-)
<chillywilly> er, well I juts asked cause I saw someone set an away message about going out for a smoke
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<Mr_You> *shrug*
<chillywilly> [22:47:21] * dixie is gone. smoke
<chillywilly> heh
<Mr_You> different channel ;-)
<chillywilly> yes
<chillywilly> #hurd
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<chillywilly> er, channels even
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