[00:00] Last message repeated 1 time(s). chillywilly (danielb@d108.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) got netsplit. chillywilly (danielb@d108.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '-o gnuebot' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o gnuebot' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ DANIEL-SAN chillywilly: how are you Action: dtm notes that "Jackass" is currently on MTV perlh (a@202.9.144.242) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hi hi Mr_You so which package do u do dude well I've done some debian packages, but no one used them ;-) might work on web stuff more of a cheerleader and future GNUe user/developer ;-) oph ok cool so where are u from Mr_You NC, USA you? well i am from southern part of india cool well so are u a student or... what deb packages have u wrote dude nope, looking for a job.. placed a resume this evening at one place debs for GNUe I think its in unstable tho not mine someone else oh ok cool has the market picked up for IT pros lots of jobs for developers it seems, not admins I'm mainly a Sun admin oh ok laid off Lucent contractor heh dtm: oh, hey oh so u were working previously is it oh cool Action: perlh wonders when this all will come to normal yeah been Sun/Network admin for 6 years at various companies oh realy great Mr_You yeah I'm lucky, blessed rather so like are u also into other things yeah, I play guitar, and am interested in other stuff I want to learn the tablas aliens :P love those drums yeah aliens, spiritual existance, martial arts hmmm oh cool you like the tablas perlh? you listen to modern or traditional music or both? and greta I don't think I will be messing with you dude ;) me? yeha Mr_You what sorta martial arts? Action: perlh ofcourse chillywilly is cool well I've just begun my search chilly, I want to combine the mind and body.. kung fu does this, but I wanna find the one for me kungfu is kewl I like the animal styles and stuff it is funky like that Action: perlh wonders yeah.. monkey kung fu is neat looking :O my roommate is passed out infront of his simpsons DVD oh ok heh :(( chillywilly: what's up werd ceilling is up ;) yea! d a n d t m d a n i e l b . night Action: Mr_You & gn reinhard (rm@N801P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (rm@N801P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at) got netsplit. dtm (dtm@m206-221.dsl.tsoft.com) got netsplit. 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Nick change: bigerbrother -> bigbrother ******************************* reinhard_ (~rm@62.47.44.7) got lost in the net-split. note to derek and/or seva_ bigerbrother joined #gnuenterprise. (thanks to jamest who had this issue, too) ******************************* reinhard__ (rm@N801P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at) got netsplit. gnuebot (eggdrop@mail.libertydistribution.com) got netsplit. gnuebot (eggdrop@mail.libertydistribution.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. reinhard_: yes, I saw it Nick change: bigerbrother -> bigbrother #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o gnuebot' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services1.openprojects.net bigerbrother joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard__ (~rm@N801P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard__: what is the status of gnuef geas dbdriver? Nick change: bigerbrother -> bigbrother bigerbrother joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: bigerbrother -> bigbrother bigbrother joined #gnuenterprise. [03:43] Last message repeated 1 time(s). Nick change: reinhard__ -> reinhard i think it is not working yet jamest started it but has been mad goat raped in the middle of the development process mad goat == RealLife(tm) work heh Was it working at some time in past? Or it never working before? ra3vat said thet it has working... roby (~nospamjpr@APh-Aug-102-1-1-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #gnuenterprise. sevik: well parts of it worked in the past and i think they still work which means gnuef can get data from geas and write data back to geas but you cannot yet use the methods and some other things you can use geas just like a normal relational db and you loose all the advantages of objects it does not works now even retrieving of data from geas i have not looked at it for 2 months now i think :( ok actually it would be my job to do it as i "maintain" geas but i have some overload at my work job currently ok, np bigbrother joined #gnuenterprise. bigerbrother joined #gnuenterprise. 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Yes. They cut over to new code, and are just cutting back over to the old code. ah good to hear i was already thinking it is on my side reinhard (rm@N801P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est. -- Aurelius Augustinus reinhard (rm@N801P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. lambert (lambert@dialup-209.246.98.48.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hello lambert hi lambert Hello ToyMan (stuq@c5300-1-ip165.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: Client Exiting dneighbo: if you have a spare minute sometime, can you give me assignment status for anil? sevik (seva@domino-web.kiev.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. um im not sure, i think he DOES have, but not certain i can only get to gnu machines from laptop as i dont have my 'keys' at work :) and dont have laptop with me im going on vacation for a week (disneyland) nevermind starting tomorrow, so dont know if i will make it back to machine before them then and happy vacation :) i will try though not urgent at all Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. dont bother hi dneighbo: I'm logged in right now, what do you need? hey Mr_You jbailey: i asked him for assignment status for Anil Kumar Anil Kumar Putla grep ENTERPRISE | less Remind me where the assignment files are? (It's been a while since I've needed themm.) on the assignment file and see if anil is in there if so paste his record here i forget, w/o looking :) its on fencepost try to find file called assignments i think Action: dneighbo thinks the dir structure of fp is majorly hosed, can never find anything with out 10 minutes of 'getting reaquainted' I understand, but its "Historical" =) Save yourself lots of grief, don't ever suggest changing it ;) jbailey : im not that dumb :) /gd/gnuorg/copyright.list Not under that name. k thanks can you paste those from india (anil is from india i think) reinhard anil and some others had hard time getting forms (iirc) i think brian confirmed that all forms went out has anil expressed that he still hasnt gotten reinhard ? or has he gotten and returned and just waiting to see if arrived? ENTERPRISE Ajitesh Das India 1972 2000-12-29 Assigns past and future changes. ajitesh@gnue.org ENTERPRISE Subharata Ghosh India 1973 2001-05-05 Assigns past and future changes. sghosh@fuse.net That's all. btw: i have a program to track this REALLY REALLY WISH FSF would use it :) I understand. for now i dont 'maintain it' mostly because no shared server, so its useless to a degree :) There's alot of things I wish the FSF would do. *sigh* rofl just dont tell them that ;) I know. My task list from RMS is big enough as it is... And that's all on top of the things I actually *want* to do ;) ajmitch (me@p47-max2.dun.ihug.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. rofl KC5MLE (lambert@dialup-63.210.208.98.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. lambert (lambert@dialup-209.246.98.48.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) left irc: Ping timeout for lambert[dialup-209.246.98.48.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net] jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: [x]chat Nick change: KC5MLE -> lambert bbl Action: Mr_You & jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o jamest' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ KC5MLE (lambert@dialup-64.154.73.65.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. lambert (lambert@dialup-63.210.208.98.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) left irc: Ping timeout for lambert[dialup-63.210.208.98.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net] Nick change: KC5MLE -> lambert wow quiet in here we call that dead :) heh not quite dead the corpse is still twitching the phaser gun must have been set to stun ;) heh lambert (lambert@dialup-64.154.73.65.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) left irc: Ping timeout for lambert[dialup-64.154.73.65.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net] bbl reinhard (rm@N801P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est. -- Aurelius Augustinus ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.124) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (rm@N801P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hi neilt (neilt@dialup-166.90.65.4.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ hello neilt jbailey (jbailey@65.93.3.250) left #gnuenterprise (Client Exiting). neilt: you have a minute for me? lambert (lambert@dialup-209.246.73.194.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. psu: if you are really serious about creating irc digests you are the hero of the year mini-hero. My first trial one only took a couple of hours probably less now I've got the hang of it. Also Kernel Cousin stuff should really only be about development sounds like a not-so-fun job :) At least I still get to read about all the fish-slapping even if I can't really justify including it in the summaries. haha be glad that they don't talk about mad goats much anymore At the moment, the volumes are such that it's a bit of a non-job but hopefully that will change over time goats and all :) gotta go now such a pity treshna isn't part of development, they made irc interesting ;) just dropped in whilst collecting e-mails (dial-up) ok l8r psu bye but remember - you can pretty much count on me reading the back log ;-) :) psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise. back reinhard: i do now, whats up neilt: thanks first question are you ok with my answer re: changing from hash table to list? yes, I think so, I have not looked at it directly i don't think it has major performance impact ok next i don't think I value the ordered list as much as you do maybe i think about designer and such stuff thats why i trust your judgement, I have not thought about that stuff ok :) iirc we have no real use for public and private for now yes, i seem to remember that i propose to take it out until we find a really useful thing to do with that or we will end up with a lot of non-implemented keywords just like before you agree? ok I agree to taking everything out that is not fully implemented, unless it will be implemented in the next few tasks we are working on ok i hate partial stuff would this be the case for READONLY, too? i dont know the status of READONLY what works and what does not work ok i will investigate what READONLY does now next does inheritance make sense for types? no ok (good discussion you agree with everything :) ) ;) cool :) the current syntax for explicit reference is REFERENCE (otherclass)otherfield = thisfield; current = old classdef or = your new classdef? we have no single use of this syntax in current gcd's except the testing both i kept it compatible at least that's what i wanted i think we need explicit reference, i also hate the syntax same goes for m me i think a syntax could be better like this: I would rather see something more verbose REFERENCE thisfield = otherclass.otherfield; example char country <2>; reference the_country: country = country_table.country_code; lambert (lambert@dialup-209.246.73.194.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) left irc: Client Exiting fscking bad example i hope you get it GET REFERENCE WHERE thisfield [=<>!] otherclass.otherfield the reference has a name my bad, not well thought out example REFERENCE refname WHERE thisfield [=<>!] otherclass.otherfield sounds good chillywilly (danielb@d155.as4.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. for psu: *************************** proposal for changed REFERENCE syntax in gcd: REFERENCE refname WHERE thisfield [=<>!] otherclass.otherfield; *************************** :) neilt: what do you mean with [=<>!]? for references only = should make sense equal to, less than, greater than, not equal as a reference would only return a single record by definition ok, then what I said applies for list otherwise it would be a list yes what you said :) you agree that implementation of <>! is not soooo urgent? why do we need reference, why not just list and a reference is just a list with one entry a reference is for aggregate objects? neilt: actually you are right i think or is it because references are static and lists are dynamic no actually both could be combined by a sorta RELATION keyword which is n : n n : m where n and m can be 1 or more than 1 for implicit we still need both * and [] but for explicit i think we could replace both REFERENCE and LIST with RELATION or would you know a better word for it? reinhard: relation sounds good for now ok **************** end reference/list discussion *********** psu: we help where we can :) hehe last question chillywilly: yes they run a school bus company in kansas city shall we keep andrewm's profiling code, or shall we remove it? rip it out all that timer stuff it is fugly reinhard: do we need it to profile? the compiler should be able to profile for us i thought we could profile without all of the that explicit code i have zero experience in profiling we should try some profiling before we remove it ok or contact andrewm and see why he did that there must have been a reason is andrewm still at treshna? nope probably he did not know the other possibilities if there exist some but we have an emerygancy email address i will try to find out how profiling works just send email to andrewm@gnue.org it is forwarded to his personal email chillywilly: can you give me a pointer where to start the search? lemme ask some hurd hackers is that it for a bit ? yes thanks neilt your welcome bbl i will investigate about readonly Nick change: neilt -> neil-away and profiling cool and let you know [16:10:24] chillywilly compile the beast with "-pg -a" and run the program [16:10:31] chillywilly then run gprof chillywilly: thanks [16:11:01] chillywilly oh yeah, you should use the program in the normal way you use it too, or if you want to know what part is slow, use that part jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Ping timeout for jamest[hobbes.math.ksu.edu] [16:12:02] chillywilly proggie; gprof proggie > log [16:12:05] gnu.org -> GNU software er, you can ignore the last line jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. hey jamest ******************************** neil-away: from the "old" (andrewm) code: | READONLY readonly { $$ = NULL; /* TODO */ } ******************************** READONLY is not more than another useless reserved word currently [16:16:14] oh yeah, -a will record how many times a block gets executed... ok, that's wnough on profiling enough yeah thanks a lot chilly no problem reinhard: then drop it we dont need not stinking READONLY hehe that's an idl keyword iirc jbailey (jbailey@65.93.3.250) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly: Pssst.. hey buddy. hi wassup dude? chillywilly: gcd structures never go thru CORBA so i dont think it matter that it is a IDL keyword chillywilly: Geas doesn't seem to compile under windows because of the orbit dependancy. Do you have a timeframe for fixing that? yes, I agree jbailey: uh, no chillywilly: Okay, so I'm officially not worrying about making geas part of the win32 package for now then. Lemme know. jbailey: go ahead an fix it :P we won't object chillywilly: nmp, sorry dude. =) I'm only packaging the beast. =) man you trying to get orbit to compile on cygwin? or what? GEAS only runs on GNU/Linux and *BSD chillywilly: and mac os X oh sorry and OS X Well, I was trying to make sure that any auto* environment I set can DTRT for Windows and Linux (assuming everything else will take care of itself somehow *grin*) DTRT? but GEAS doesn't seem capable of running under windows, and I wanted to check that it's okay to not worry about it. DoTheRightThing. oh doh porting GEASto windows is not a priority right now suits me fine ;) man gobject and orbit2 are both thread safe now and pretty functional ;) gobject has rtti stuff and dynamic loading GTypeModule looks cool jbailey: fwiw i compiled orbit under windows (using cygwin) but never run any program so i don't know if it would work i _compiled_ geas under windows IIRC, It doesn't work. later all neil-away (neilt@dialup-166.90.65.4.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) left irc: lambert (lambert@dialup-63.210.213.240.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. *******************