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<danielb> does anyone know of any Free OLAP servers?
<danielb> l6r
<danielb> er, l8r even
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<jamest> morning
<reinhard> hello captain
<reinhard> please beam me up
<reinhard> there's no intelligent life down here
<reinhard> :)
<jamest> :)
<neilt> Thanks for beaming me up.  Oh no, there is no intelligent life here either, now what do we do?
<reinhard> lol
<jamest> anything exciting happening arround here lately?
<reinhard> not really
<reinhard> a lot of people asked for the geas forms driver lately
<reinhard> :)
<roby> are some of you looking at the any-gui initiative ? and the interest there might be for gnue ?
<reinhard> roby: can you give us an url?
<roby> sure, http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-anygui/ for an intro
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<jamest> reinhard: i hope to fine GNUe time starting this weekend
<reinhard> jamest: cool
<reinhard> lol
<reinhard>  A popular joke about Java is that it is "write once, debug  everywhere."
<jbailey> ANSI C - The *true* write once, run everywhere system.
<jbailey> ;)
<reinhard> jbailey: i couldn't agree more
<reinhard> no kidding
<jamest> this looks interesting
<jamest> wonder what kind of license
<reinhard> roby: i am not sure if i understand where the difference between this anygui and wxWindows is
<reinhard> i always thought wxWindows does exactly this
<jamest> anygui supports curses
<jamest> which is something we're trying to do in forms
<roby> reinhard: it seems that any-gui will load the gui toolkit that's available on the plateform
<roby> this report your problem of managing different gui, like curses and wxwindows, leaving this to anygui
<reinhard> ok
<reinhard> i would be curious how they do it with curses
<jbailey> reinhard: "DAMNIT, this STUPID windows !@#$ing toolkit!"
<jbailey> I'll be quiet now =)
<reinhard> :)
<roby> they haven't done anything for curses now but they seems to plan something with interactive text based q&a mode
<reinhard> yeah i read that
<reinhard> not even curses but simple stdin/stdout
<roby> that's it
<reinhard> something like
<reinhard> please select field to change
<reinhard> fields available
<reinhard> 1. name
<reinhard> 2. street
<reinhard> 3. zip
<reinhard> 4. state
<reinhard> 5. country
<reinhard> please select > 2
<reinhard> street > gnue road
<reinhard> 1. update record
<reinhard> 2. undo changes
<reinhard> please select >
<reinhard> or like that
<jbailey> Would you localize that?  (To say 3. Postal Code 4. Province in the case of locale==en_CA or such?)
<reinhard> sure
<reinhard> jbailey: i am the localization poliece for this project ;)
<reinhard> police
<jbailey> reinhard: Excellent.  Americans seem to forget such things, so I'm glad GNUe's got someone.
<reinhard> don't forget ra3vat there
<reinhard> satisfying him is even harder than me
<reinhard> as i use iso-latin1 at least :)
<jbailey> Is he a UTF-8 guy?
<reinhard> cyrillic
<reinhard> not sure what character set he uses
<reinhard> or what encoding
<reinhard> we should have someone using traditional chinese ;)
<jbailey> Oh wow.
<jbailey> UTF-8 might be the best solution.
<jbailey> I've been reading up on it, to try and learn what's the best way to do it.  I just cringe at having to use wchar_t's in my code.
<jbailey> I have to remember that Java's being a pig on strings is probably not the fault of the conversion to unicode internally.
<neilt> will i know a very small spattering of traditional chinese and might be able to test, provided i could use forms? :)
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<jcater_> argh! jcater what are you doing here?
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<jamest> neilt: that's easy!  forms doesn't require a datasource for testing
<jamest> :)
<neilt> but i cant run wxPython, i think that might be a problem :(
<jamest> ah
<jamest> :(
<neilt> buts its being worked on
<jamest> anyone here remember (and play) Doom?
<neilt> by others
<neilt> so its just a matter of time
<jcater_> what platform you using?
<jbailey> jamest: I remember getting very, very ill playing doom.
<neilt> jcater_:  mac OS X
<jamest> It has been released for my son's Game Boy Advance
<jamest> I remember when friends of mine didn't have enough PC to run Doom full screen
<jamest> and now a hand held can run what sounds like a basic port (w/o much optimizations)
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<jbailey> Is there a chrystal reports type of deal being written for GNUe?
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<jbailey> I'm not sure if your reporting is going to that extreme..
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<sevik> anybody home?
<sevik> what is the sequence of calls to connect detail datasorce to master?
<sevik>     ds=GDataSource()
<sevik>     ds.setConnectionManager(self.connections)
<sevik>     ds.database='pg'
<sevik>     ds.type='object'
<sevik>     ds.table='addressbook__country'
<sevik>     ds.initialize()
<sevik>     ds.connect()
<sevik>     ds.referenceField("name")
<sevik>     ds.referenceField("year_budget")
<sevik>     ds.referenceField("id")
<sevik>     ds1=GDataSource()
<sevik>     ds1.setConnectionManager(self.connections)
<sevik>     ds1.database='pg'
<sevik>     ds1.type='object'
<sevik>     ds1.table='addressbook__person'
<sevik>     ds1.initialize()
<sevik>     ds1.connect()
<sevik>     ds1.referenceField("id")
<sevik>     ds1.referenceField("name")
<sevik>     ds1.referenceField("addr1")
<sevik>     ds.masterlink="countrycode"
<sevik>     ds.detaillink="id"
<sevik>     ds.getDataObject().addDetailDataObject(ds1.getDataObject())
<sevik> is not working
<sevik> DB000:   File "/home/seva/src/gnue/.cvsdeveldir/gnue/common/dbdrivers/_dbsig/DBdriver.py", line 244, in _createResultSet
<sevik> DB000:     raise GDataObjects.ConnectionError, err
<sevik> DB000: gnue.common.GDataObjects.ConnectionError: error 'ERROR:  parser: parse error at or near "from"
<sevik> DB000: ' in 'SELECT id,name,year_budget, FROM addressbook__country'
<sevik> variants:
<sevik>     ds1.masterlink="id"
<sevik>     ds1.detaillink="countrycode"
<sevik>     ds.getDataObject().addDetailDataObject(ds1.getDataObject())
<sevik> and:
<sevik>     ds1.masterlink="countrycode"
<sevik>     ds1.detaillink="id"
<sevik> do not work too 
<sevik> master table - addressbook__country, detail addressbook__person
<jamest> you coding something against the db drivers?
<sevik> yes
<sevik> postgresql 
<sevik> {'_fieldReferences': {'id': 1, 'name': 1, 'year_budget': 1, '': 1}, '_detailfields': [], '_masterObject': None, 'type': 'object', '_defaultValues': {}, 'table': 'addressbook__country', '_unboundFieldReferences': {}, '_detailObjects': [[<gnue/common/dbdrivers/postgresql/DBdriver.PG_DataObject_Object instance at 0x823d9cc>, None]], 'masterlink': '', 'detaillink': '', '_DatabaseError': <class pgdb.DatabaseError at 0x825a10c>, '_masterfields': [], '_resul
<sevik> detailfileds attribute does not get get
<sevik> detailfileds attribute does not get set
<jamest> hmmm
<sevik> it works in forms
<sevik> it not works in my code
<jcater_> you are not specifying ds.master
<jcater_> scratch that
<jcater_> the correct variant should be <sevik>     ds1.masterlink="id"
<jcater_> <sevik>     ds1.detaillink="countrycode"
<jcater_> <sevik>     ds.getDataObject().addDetailDataObject(ds1.getDataObject())
<jcater_> but I'm not sure why it's generating invalid SQL statements
<sevik> current:
<sevik>     ds1.referenceField("id")
<sevik>     ds1.referenceField("name")
<sevik>     ds1.referenceField("addr1")
<sevik>     ds1.detaillink="countrycode"
<sevik>     ds1.masterlink="id"
<sevik>     ds.getDataObject().addDetailDataObject(ds1.getDataObject())
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<sevik> __dict__ of dataobject:
<sevik> {'_fieldReferences': {'id': 1, 'name': 1, 'year_budget': 1, '': 1}, '_detailfields': [], '_masterObject': None, 'type': 'object', '_defaultValues': {}, 'table': 'addressbook__country', '_unboundFieldReferences': {}, '_detailObjects': [[<gnue/common/dbdrivers/postgresql/DBdriver.PG_DataObject_Object instance at 0x823d9cc>, None]], 'masterlink': '', 'detaillink': '', '_DatabaseError': <class pgdb.DatabaseError at 0x825a10c>, '_masterfields': [], '_resul
<sevik> and the same error
<sevik> '_masterfields': []
<sevik> '_detailfields': []
<jcater_> is that ds._masterfields or ds1._masterfields?
<sevik> ds
<sevik> master
<sevik> i, found it
<sevik> ds1 - datasource
<sevik> masterlinks/etc must by set for dataobject
<jcater_> ah, yes
<sevik> ok, it works
<jcater_> I think if those attributes are present in the datasource before the initialize(), then the initialize() copies those over
<jcater_> but if set after the initialize, the datasource doesn't know to transfer it
<sevik>     for attribute in tagAttributes.keys():
<sevik>       if hasattr(self, attribute):
<sevik>         self._dataObject.__dict__[attribute] = self.__dict__[attribute]
<sevik> seems like that
<sevik> but as for me its not too logical, that you need to set some fileds, and call addDetailDataObject
<sevik> logically it must by parameters of addDetailDataObject method
<sevik> or call to addDetailDataObject must be done automatically on initialize, if masterlink/etc is set
<jcater_> are you using cvs?
<sevik> yes
<danielb> hey are you guys letting that one dude do a GNUe Kernel Cousin?
<jcater_> sevik: actually we do need to move that call to the initialize area
<sevik> i think so too
<jcater_> currently, most of our tools don't use GDataSource directly, but subclass it... all of the subclassed GDataSources automatically handle this during init
<jcater_> but if it always happens, then it should happen at the most basic level :)
<sevik> I agree :))
<danielb> forms has DataObjects too?
<sevik> danielb: of course
<danielb> is that how triggers are supposed to work then, they are methods od the DataObjects becausre this would correlate wirh GEAS too then
<sevik> forms use GDataSource which has embedded DataSource
<danielb> s/od/of
<jcater_> danielb: not exactly
<sevik> forms use GDataSource which has embedded DataObject
<danielb> well I still wanna work on a library to do plugins for various languages, but for GEAS these methods are business object methods
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<sevik> danielb: tcl first please :))
<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> python will be forst of course 
<chillywilly> :P
<sevik> :))
<jcater_> sevik: is TCL a big deal for you? 
<chillywilly> I have to go back to being my old self
<jcater_> are you you being sarcastic?
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<sevik> jcater: I write most of scripts/etc in Tcl :))
<sevik> I'm trying python for some days :))
<jcater_> is there a standard TCL library that can be easily linked to an application?
<sevik> of course
<jcater_> does TCL support concept of "objects" (even if rudimentarily?)
<sevik> rudimentary
Action: jcater_ hasn't done much with TCL
<chillywilly> the new glib is sexy though as it has GTypeModule to add new types and load then from dsos
<jcater_> BUT developer demand will dictate which languages get implemented quickest :)
<sevik> but there are many pure tcl implementations of objects and some C extensions
<jcater_> i.e., if we have someone helping with the project and they want TCL, then TCL will be high on the list :)
<sevik> itcl - official implementation
<sevik> xotcl - my preffered :))
<chillywilly> we just wanna share method and object code right?
<jcater_> obviously, python will the the first trigger language (since we are in python :)
<chillywilly> er, method and trigger
<chillywilly> doh
<jcater_> I'd think so
<sevik> really tcl implemetation of obect very similar to pythons
<jcater_> sevik: what's special about xotcl?
<sevik> object is simply array(tcl)/dictionary(python) and namespace for procedures
<sevik> xotcl - dynamic loading/creating/destroing of classes
<sevik> itcl - static
<sevik> in xotcl you can redefine class at runtime
<sevik> in itcl - you cant
<jcater_> ah, cool
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<sevik> I have working project on xotcl related to computer telephony
<jcater_> jamest: yesterday we decided we need a GNUe developer's conference
<jcater_> ... in Vegas!
<sevik> and there are impossible to shutdown service for reload :))
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<jamest> sevik: may I ask what you're coding w/ gnue-common?
<chillywilly> jcater ;)
<jamest> or at least the db drivers
<jamest> jcater :)
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<chillywilly> jamest: you may not ask anything :P
<chillywilly> you're not allowed
<chillywilly> and obviously he's not talking :P
<jamest> :)
<jamest> btw chillywilly were you looking for free ldap?
<chillywilly> olap
<jamest> ah, nevermind then
<chillywilly> someone asked about this on the FreeDevelopers list
<chillywilly> hell I am not very sure what olap is only that masta tried to explain it to me one time
<chillywilly> something to do with data warehousing
<jamest> well if masta explained it, it can't be good
<chillywilly> rofl
<sevik> i'm back :))
<sevik> i'm need working geas like server :))
<sevik> so, while i'm not to fluent with python, a started from more simple tasks :))
<sevik> related question - what is the status of geas dbdriver and perspektives for it to by working ?
<sevik> heeeeey
<jamest> um
<jamest> er
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<sevik> :)))
<jamest> i haven't had time to work on it for about um, a month or so
<jamest> i hope to get a chance this weekend
<sevik> ok :))
<sevik> may be in some timei'll look at it too :))
<sevik> about embedding of tcl:
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<sevik>         Tcl_FindExecutable(argv[0]);
<sevik>         interp = Tcl_CreateInterp();
<sevik>         if (Tcl_Init(interp) == TCL_ERROR) {
<sevik>                 fprintf(stderr,"Tcl_Init failed");
<sevik>                 return -1;
<sevik>         }
<sevik>         ends = Tcl_Merge(argc, argv);
<sevik>        Tcl_SetVar(interp, "argv", Tcl_DStringValue(&argString), TCL_GLOBAL_ONLY
<sevik> ); */
<sevik>         Tcl_SetVar(interp, "argv", ends, TCL_GLOBAL_ONLY);
<sevik>         if (Tcl_EvalFile(interp,"init.tcl") == TCL_ERROR) {
<sevik>                 Tcl_Eval(interp,"puts $errorInfo");
<sevik>                 return -1;
<sevik>         };
<sevik> it's all that you need for initialization
<sevik> and simply:
<sevik>         sprintf(buffer,"something in tcl");
<sevik>         Tcl_Eval(interp, buffer);
<sevik> where you need executing of tcl
<sevik> tcl has embedding in mind from begin
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<neilt> oh boy
<neilt> I'm cross-posting this in case some of the people working on building wxMac
<neilt> might have some input. I have been able to successfully compile the latest
<neilt> CVS of wxMac and wxPython on Mac OS X 10.1. (Thanks to all of Robin's hard
<neilt> work!) In wxMac, most of the samples compile and run fine. However, when I
<neilt> we are almost there
<chillywilly> booyah
<chillywilly> it freakin' compiles yet again
<neilt> chillywilly:  it never has compiled on mac, so this is a milestone
<neilt> bbl
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<chillywilly> I was talking about something else
<chillywilly> doh
<chillywilly> aaaaaah
<chillywilly> silence
<sevik> :))
<sevik> http://www.pythontech.co.uk/torb/ - tcl corba binding :))
<sevik> Version 0.1 (7 June 1999)
<sevik> :))
<Mr_You> re
<sevik> hi mr
<Mr_You> I must be doing something wrong with these kernel-image debs
<jamest> Mr_You: why?
<Mr_You> it complains about no root device.. even when I specify "root=/dev/hda1"
Action: chillywilly has too many kernel debs on his box
<chillywilly> ick
<chillywilly> I think I need to go to kernel compilers anonymous
<chillywilly> kca
<Mr_You> all I'm doing is apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.10-586
Action: chillywilly is an addict
Action: sevik does not have any debs, rmps and etc :))
<Mr_You> I'm use to compiling the kernel, that has no problems, but I need kernel images
<chillywilly> make-kpkg
<chillywilly> apt-get install kernel-package
<chillywilly> lets you make a deb
<Mr_You> well I figure I would just try whats available for now
<Mr_You> don't need to build my own
<jamest> ok
<jamest> apt-get install kernel-image-foo
<jamest> then add
<jamest> do_initrd= yes  ]
<jamest> to 
<jamest> /etc/kernel-img.conf
<jamest> then switch to /boot
<jamest> and make sure /boot/initrd points to the initrd for the kernel image you installed
<jamest> edit /etc/lilo.conf and add
<Mr_You> yes to all
<jamest>  initrd=/boot/initrd   
<jamest> now
<jamest> having said all that
<Mr_You> hmm
<Mr_You> the one in lilo.conf got removed
<jamest> that initrd is under the specific image
<jamest> not global
<jamest> also
<jamest> i have an Abit VH6-II here at work that kernel-image 2.4.10 refused to find the ide devices
<jamest> thus it'd never find root
<jamest> so I stuck w/ 2.2 on that system for now
<jamest> i haven't tried 2.4.12 which was recently added 
<Mr_You> do I need to do anything after editing lilo.conf?
<jamest> yip
<Mr_You> maybe thats my problem, no ide devices
<Mr_You> with 2.4.10
<Mr_You> here goes
<jamest> wait
<Mr_You> yeah
<jamest> first make sure you've not screwed up lilo
<jamest> I've got 
<jamest> # Boot up Linux by default.
<jamest> #
<jamest> default=Linux
<jamest>  
<jamest> image=/vmlinuz
<jamest>         label=Linux
<jamest>         read-only
<jamest>         initrd=/boot/initrd
<jamest> as my first image
<jamest> entry
<jamest> then as root run lilo
<jamest> lilo
<jamest> so it installs the new config
<jamest> then reboot
<Mr_You> here goes
<Mr_You> same thing it seems
<Mr_You> I guess I'm having the same problem you were
<jamest> you running 2.4.10?
<Mr_You> trying ;-)
<jamest> 2.4.12 is available in woody
<jamest> and might fix the issue
<jamest> i haven't tried
<jamest> it's easy to see if it's the problem though
<jamest> as it never detects ide devices during a boot
<chillywilly> blah
<chillywilly> just make your own deb
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<Mr_You> might need to
<jcater_> bah, who needs ide support
<jcater_> real men use scsi :)
<jamest> this from a man running diskless?
<jamest> what's that make you?
<jamest> :)
<jcater_> rofl
<jcater_> nuts?
<Mr_You> heh
<jcater_> ltsp is about to do a 3.0 release :)
Action: jcater_ dances a little jig
<jcater_> although I'm slightly perterbed in that I did a slackware install port and they didn't include it :(
<Mr_You> thats what I'm working towards, ltsp with woody
<ajmitch> sounds fun
<Mr_You> roommate installed some creative labs software on XP and it hosed the system.. so he went back to 98/2000 .. heh.
<Mr_You> he really wanted those special effects..
<Mr_You> and extra toolbar
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<ra3vat> hi all
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<chillywilly> heh, you should gte him using a Free OS Mr_You
<chillywilly> what is ltsp?
<sevik> http://www.ltsp.org
<sevik> the set of hacks :))
<chillywilly> kewl'
<chillywilly> jcater you use ltsp?
<jamest> he does
<jcater_> yes I do
<chillywilly> you csan run X too with ltsp?
<jcater_> oh, yeah\
<jcater_> we have ~40 X stations
<jcater_> courtesy of ltsp
<jcater_> at our callcenter
<chillywilly> kewl
<chillywilly> call center eh?
<jcater_> it is tres cool
<jcater_> yes
<chillywilly> what does a call senter di dude?
<chillywilly> s/di/do
<chillywilly> er, cente
<chillywilly> are
<chillywilly> fscking xchat
<jcater_> it's where all our telephone reps are located
<jcater_> we have a telemarketing group and a customer service group at the call center
<jamest> it's 1-900's i think
<chillywilly> ah ok
<jamest> 1-900-hot-geek or something
<chillywilly> heh
<jcater_> 1-900-4-a-geek
<jcater_> course, that's better than 900-hot-goat
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<jamest> :)
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<jamest> I just heard from madlocke
<Mr_You> ok
<jamest> he'll be back 4th of nov.
<jamest> he's in russia now
<Mr_You> back whre? ;-)
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<jamest> home
<reinhard> end
<ajmitch> pg up
<reinhard> :)
<Mr_You> thanks jamest, it was the same problem you had
<Mr_You> jamest: where is he from?
<reinhard> brb changing computers
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<jamest> Mr_You: did 2.4.12 solve the problem?
<Mr_You> yeah
<jamest> I don't recall where madlocke is from
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<Mr_You> that 2.4.10 must be a bad image
<reinhard> Mr_You: madlocke is from germany
<reinhard> iirc from the former eastern part
<Mr_You> ok cool
<ra3vat> he is from Augsburg, not sure what part is it
<reinhard> oh
<reinhard> so i must have mixed up something
<reinhard> augsburg is bavaria - western part
<chillywilly> l8r dudes
<chillywilly> be back on line when I get home
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<jcater_> well, maybe it's not back up :)
<ajmitch> wotsat?
<jcater_> my internet
<ajmitch> ah
<ajmitch> how are you online now?
<jcater_> thought is was finally back up after 5 days
<jcater_> um
<jcater_> we have 40 ppl on a single dialup :)
<ajmitch> LOL
<ajmitch> that's gotta suck
<jcater_> that's an understatement :)
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<Mr_You> use a squid proxy cache ;-)
<jcater_> IRC and Email don't do too well w/cached data :)
<jcater_> actually, we are using squid
<jcater_> but more for its restrictive capacity than its caching :)
<Mr_You> cool
<Mr_You> you have dialup failover?
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<Mr_You> I remember discussing that with someone.. dunno if it was you
<jcater_> no
<jcater_> I just rigged a machine to act like our NAT and unplugged our BSD firewall from the network
<Mr_You> ahh
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<jcater_> since it had the same IP address as the old firewall, it fit neatly into our network :)
<jcater_> messy
<jcater_> but better than no service
<Mr_You> yeah
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<chillywilly> jeff
<jbailey> Heya Daniel.
<chillywilly> whaddup y'all?
<jbailey> Hey chillywilly, why isn't commit-gnue listed on the mailing list page?
<ajmitch> uh oh
<chillywilly> I dunno yell at  jamest one of these days
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<psu> hi all
<psu> still working on a Kernal Cousins summary of the IRC logs
<jbailey> Excellent!
<psu> should have something ready to rumble by the end of the weekend
<psu> Biggest problem at the moment is that the KC format indexes on real names
<psu> I can get from IRC nick to e-mail address fairly easily
<jbailey> chillywilly's real name is "Penguin Boy" =)
<psu> but not necessarily to the name 
<chillywilly> dude chillywilly is a penguin don't you know?
<Mr_You> maybe he doesn't :-P heh
Action: chillywilly whips out his trout and commences the beatings
<psu> hey, if it was easy, someone would have volunteered before
<chillywilly> psu: you the KC dude?
<Mr_You> chillywilly is a cool penguin too
<psu> oops, if I'd know it was trout time would have stayed clear
<psu> Zack Brown is the head KC honcho
<chillywilly> ok
<jbailey> psu: The nice part is that this channel seems to be full of regulars and people who show up once and don't say anything worth logging. =)
<chillywilly> yea, that name is familiar
<psu> I'm just a lowly serf doing some KC stuff 
Action: chillywilly made it into the Hurd kernel cousins before ;)
<psu> having been recruited by jailey
<psu> jbailey oops
<psu> have no fear, penguin lord, thou shalt be in teh GNUE KCs 
<psu> probably all the time
<psu> even if I do have to cut all the trout slapping
<psu> doesn't really count as "development"
Action: chillywilly has some GEAS hacking to do
<psu> (except for the trout, natch)
<chillywilly> some day I'll get around to doing it
<chillywilly> really I will
<psu> I'd much rather do KC than hack code
<psu> but them IANAP (I am not a programmer)
<jbailey> There's an important place for both.
<chillywilly> we are good to the non-programmers
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<chillywilly> porbably better than any other project
<chillywilly> ;)
<psu> "In the free software wars, they also serve who only stand and document"
<ajmitch> psu: you could just ask ppl what their names are ;)
<chillywilly> psu: FWIW, I enjoy reading the KCs 
<ajmitch> yep, KCs are great
<psu> aj - that would ruin all the fun...
<ajmitch> hehe
<psu> will do it as a last resort, but to be honest most people
<psu> are trackable via e-mail address anyway.
<psu> big bruvver is watching heh heh
<ajmitch> yeah
<chillywilly> oh no :o
Action: ajmitch searches for 'ajmitch' on google
<chillywilly> you don't wanna do that
<psu> well not if your nick is chillywilly
<psu> that could be an ... interesting google search
<ajmitch> yep, all the links on the first page for google are for me ;)
<chillywilly> http://www.mountainsummit.com/chillywilly/
<chillywilly> rock on!
Action: chillywilly just did a chillywilly google search
<ajmitch> argh full of java applets
<chillywilly> I need a t-shirt w/ chillywilly and  GNU on it
Action: psu is far too ego-shrunk to do a google search
<psu> anyway, I'm not mentioned until page 4 of 15 
<ajmitch> chillywilly: how close are you to toronto?
<chillywilly> screw tux man, I want chillywilly!
<chillywilly> ajmitch: way far  away
<chillywilly> in Wisconsin
<ajmitch> ok
<Mr_You> site sucks cw ;-)
<chillywilly> I know
<psu> is chillwilly.org taken?
<chillywilly> but at least there's a picture of chillywilly
<chillywilly> I dunno
<chillywilly> ? 2001 Chilly Time Enterprises. All rights reserved
<chillywilly> heheh
<chillywilly> that name is kewl
<chillywilly> man I gotta restart X
<Mr_You> heh
<chillywilly> brb
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<psu> gotta go now
<Mr_You> bye
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<chillywilly> where's that dsu guy go?
<chillywilly> er, where'd
<Mr_You> just left
<jbailey> That's okay, if you say bad things about him he'll read it in the IRC logs. =)
<jbailey> So be good. ;)
<ajmitch> hehe
<chillywilly> that damn dsu guy is such an M$ astro turfing beotch
<ajmitch> eh?
<chillywilly> I am joking
<chillywilly> hello
<chillywilly> can ajmitch come out and play?
<ajmitch> excuse me?
<chillywilly> is anybody home?
<ajmitch> nope
<ajmitch> all the rooms are vacant
<chillywilly> damn
<chillywilly> ok, time to hack
<ajmitch> lol
<chillywilly> why is that funny?
<ajmitch> it just is :)
<ra3vat> chillywilly: you can't fish-slapping in no one at home :) 
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> sure I can
<chillywilly> I just leave it to rot at their door step then
<reinhard> (sigh)
<reinhard> midnight again
<reinhard> just spent 3 hours for a single bug
<chillywilly> GNUe stuff?
<reinhard> missing sign in numerical output
<reinhard> no RealWork(tm)
<reinhard> :(
<ajmitch> ouch
<chillywilly> what di you hack on for RelWork(tm) reinhard?
<chillywilly> er, RealWork(tm)
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<reinhard> business software :)
<chillywilly> well that's kinda broad
<chillywilly> could you be more specific?
<chillywilly> I think you told me once before
Action: chillywilly trout whips himself for forgetting
<reinhard> accounting, invoicing, supplychain, stock management
<chillywilly> interesting
<chillywilly> where did you learn all about that stuff?
<reinhard> for small & medium companies
<reinhard> learning by doing
<reinhard> especially learning by making mistakes :)
<chillywilly> hehe
<reinhard> i have to get me some sleep
<reinhard> l8r all
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<jcater> 'sup mdean?
<mdean> me!  how goes it?
<jcater> slowly
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<chillywilly> wassup ppl?
<ajmitch> the usual
<chillywilly> where's my masta?
<ajmitch> dead channel ;)
<chillywilly> isn't mdean alive and kickin'?
<mdean> alive and twitchin'
<chillywilly> too much caffiene?
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<chillywilly> weeeee
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<chillywilly> wb mdean
<mdean> danke
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