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<dtm> hi dan
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<dtm> chillywilly: DAN
<dtm> chill0r
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<sevik> <dnWork> SELECT "foo", "barney", "powerpuff" FROM sometable
<sevik> <dnWork> or even more so
<sevik> <dnWork> SELECT "sometable.foo", "sometable.barney", "sometable.powerpuff" FROM sometable
<sevik> dnWork: you cant do it last way:
<sevik> uni=# select "obj.obj" from obj;
<sevik> ERROR:  Attribute 'obj.obj' not found
<sevik> but:
<sevik> select "obj"."obj" from obj;
<sevik> works
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<chillywilly> http://segfault.org/story.phtml?id=3bc468ff-0228efe0
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<jamest> so did derek get a life or what?
<reinhard> not sure what you mean with "life"
<reinhard> never heard that word
<jamest> ah, sorry
<jamest> so did derek just quit hanging out in IRC?
<reinhard> :)
<jamest> has anyone tested the mysql forms driver?
<reinhard> lol
<reinhard> digging through the mailing list archives is fun
<reinhard> Reinhard Mueller  reinhard.mueller@bitsmart.com
<reinhard> Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:48:27 +0200
<reinhard>     *
<reinhard> Having a little bit of both, technical background and experience as a
<reinhard> consultant for ERP-systems, I would volunteer for beta-test and/or
<reinhard> localisation to Austria (BTW: is there any localisation for Germany
<reinhard> already? - Maybe I could also do parts of the text translations).
<reinhard> Reinhard
<reinhard> was my first post to the list
<reinhard> jamest and javaguy are the only still active members that have earlier posts
<reinhard> all other earlier posters are gone now
Action: jamest is feeling old
<jamest> Bad when I was a boy GNUe didn't have any of this fancy software crap you youngun's keep whining about.
<jamest> bad = back
<reinhard> yeah
<reinhard> i remember when you actually started to write code
<reinhard> i thought "code? have they gone totally nuts now??"
<reinhard> ;)
<reinhard> bbl
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<chillywilly> omg, nickr lives!
<chillywilly> we need a no-work fiday again
<chillywilly> er, friday
<chillywilly> lsmod
<chillywilly> oops
<chillywilly> and you knwo what the bad part about that is?
<chillywilly> I am using putty on winblows
<chillywilly> anyone alive?!?!?
<chillywilly> heeeeeeelllllooooooo!
Action: jamest is undead
<jamest> does that count?
<chillywilly> yea
<chillywilly> undead ~= alive
<chillywilly> you all can burn in hell then
<chillywilly> see if I ever come around again
<chillywilly> :P
<chillywilly> yea right
Action: chillywilly is an IRC addict
<chillywilly> ok, back to work
<chillywilly> la la la la la la
<jamest> poor chillywilly
<jamest> we're all too busy to come out and play :)
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<chillywilly> bullshit
<chillywilly> it is friday
<chillywilly> "if you don't have a breskie in your hand you might as well be wearing a dress"
<chillywilly> er, brewskie
<chillywilly> or so to brewski
<chillywilly> s/so/is
<chillywilly> s/to/it
<chillywilly> blah this keyboard is possessed
<chillywilly> f*** you all then!!!!!!
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<neilt> jamest:  you here?
<jamest> yip
<neilt> i  have two picture I would like to update on the web site
<neilt> its at http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~neilt/GNUeGEASArchitecture.png
<neilt> and http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~neilt/GNUePkgArchitecture.png
<neilt> the current pictures are already in the screenshots area
<neilt> in the GNUe section
<neilt> *************************
<neilt> *
<neilt> the new forms drawing has been added to the screenshots
<neilt> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=NS-My_eGallery&file=index&do=showpic&pid=29
<neilt> *
<neilt> ************************************
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<neilt> later all
<neilt> jamest:  if you get a chance please update the pictures for me, thanks
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<jcater> if anyone's interested, transactional support is in the gnue-common mysql driver now (and is used by default if mysql-server was compiled w/transactional support)
<jcater> oh, yeah... andwe work w/the MySQL 4.0 release
<Mr_You> cool jcater
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<reinhard> bbl (sabine needs computer to do my accounting :) )
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<dtm> chillywilly: high
<chillywilly> hey
<chillywilly> man f I catch that fucking cat it is going to die
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<reinhard> just to clarify
<reinhard> today i wrote in a mail that i expect incompatible api changes in geas within the next months
<reinhard> this is because i expect jamest and jcater to _request_ api changes
<reinhard> as they write the geas driver for forms/reports
<reinhard> and i expect myself to fulfill those requests
<reinhard> i will _not_ make api changes w/o agreeing with jamest/jcater (as the other side of that interface)
<reinhard> just like i don't make changes to gcd syntax w/o agreeing with neilt (who is the main person on the gcd authoring side)
<reinhard> --
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<chillywilly> hrrrrm
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<reinhard> night all
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<jcater> later all
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<gemcat> your site looks nice enough - i notice a lot of tentative 'enterprise' things on sourceforge lately.
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<gemcat> tsk tsk - are you all coding?
<Mr_You> or something
<gemcat> i am looking at your architecture diagram
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<gemcat> i think you could generalize your model by adding an investor interface - that way you could fit many more business models including non-profits
<Mr_You> I don't understand, whats the url that you are looking at?
<gemcat> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/modules/NS-My_eGallery/gallery/GNUe/GNUePkgArchitecture.png
<Mr_You> well #1, I think this drawing is *very* generalized.. I'm not sure what you mean by investor interface
<Mr_You> theoritically you could customize GNUe to fit any business model
<gemcat> well you have 3 packages - 2 have external interfaces - in a non-profit the other package would also 
<Mr_You> you are considering "customer" and "supplier" interfaces?
<gemcat> yes
<Mr_You> those are just entities that interact with their respective frontend functions
<Mr_You> this drawing is an example of GNUe architecture
<gemcat> I am familier with sybase
<Mr_You> sure, you could create an "investor" entity that had specific functionality, just as the "customer" and "supplier" have been described
<gemcat> what kind of hardware is necessary for a reasonable experiment?
<Mr_You> generally an investor only needs prepared reports AFAIK
<Mr_You> gemcat: any pentium w/ 32MB should do I'd say
<gemcat> really? 
<Mr_You> sure, unix/linux OS don't require much resources
<gemcat> is there a book or tutorial out there?
<Mr_You> on what?
<gemcat> the development cycle mainly
<Mr_You> nothing on GNUe
<gemcat> I have been studying pb but dont like the licencing
<Mr_You> whats pb?
<gemcat> pb is sybase enterprise development environment
<Mr_You> ahh
<gemcat> powerbuilder
<Mr_You> oh ok, heard of that
<gemcat> that and the full features are only available on nt/w2k servers
<gemcat> the pb looks like vb but it does most things right
<Mr_You> hehe
<gemcat> database support in vb is not plesent
<gemcat> pb is very good at database - but you end up on a solarus or win2k server
<Mr_You> solaris is good 
<gemcat> well true, but not a regular box either
<Mr_You> nah
<gemcat> without a book it will tke me too long to figure out the package 
<Mr_You> well its still in alpha development
<Mr_You> and you can create 2-tier apps, which isn't too complicated
<gemcat> looks promicing anyway - I think you should pick up all those little odd projects at sourceforge somehow as modules
<Mr_You> what projects?
<Mr_You> there's a lot of projects on sf that are dead too
<gemcat> there are several new ones in very early stages
<gemcat> one i looked at was for forums, one for fundraising
<gemcat> yes - i am prayin for project management so i can escape windows
<Mr_You> dcl.sf.net could be used as a good project manager, mdean is the author of it
<Mr_You> there is also #dcl
<gemcat> I have talked to him at #dcl
<gemcat> I am a P3 jockey for more than a decade
<Mr_You> what is P3?
<gemcat> is high end scheduling - i have a 105million project
<Mr_You> derek has also created GNUe screens to DCLs database tables
<gemcat> I am impressed - but i am still too ignorent to get much out of it
<gemcat> we use Expedition also - which is high end document control but any enterprise system can do that with not too much programming
<Mr_You> well bbl
Action: Mr_You &
<gemcat> I will download the gnue and see what it looks like
<gemcat> its dangerous for a planner to have too much time to think
<gemcat> thanks
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