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<Mr_You> mornin
<reinhard> morning
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<neilt> hello all
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<jcater> howdy
<chillywilly> hiya
<jcater> 'sup chillster?
<jamest> jcater!
<jamest> just the man 
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<chillywilly> heheh
<jamest> john!
<jamest> just the man 
<chillywilly> lol
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<jcater> 'sup?
<jamest> i was thinking (gasp!)
<jamest> gnue-common is now being used lots of places
<jcater> sigh
<jamest> how about bumping forms, gnue-common, and designer to 0.1.0
<jcater> do you think designer is 0.1.0 quality material?
<jamest> then I can make a statement like "The 0.1.x releases of common still work w/ gnuef 0.1.0"
<jcater> ah
<jamest> what I was wanting/thinking about was the geas driver
<jcater> works for me
<jamest> as a gnue-common 0.1.0 could be branched in cvs 
<jcater> did you say "branch"
<jcater> did you really just say that?
<jamest> and patches to the geas driver would make 0.1.[1-9]
<jamest> which would be merged into head
<jamest> only patches would be branched
<jcater> I have no problem w/that
<jcater> but maybe we should go buy a CVS handbook
<jcater> :)
<jamest> as the other way was a fscking nightmare
<chillywilly> you usually keep stable releases on a branch
<jamest> chillywilly: right
<jamest> that branch would be patches only (the geas driver exists but doesn't work)
<jamest> so we can release a gnue-common 0.1.1 with functional geas driver
<jamest> and not require a gnuef 0.1.1 and designer 0.1.1 release
<jamest> right now they are a package deal
<jcater> sounds good to me
<neilt> jamest: did you get me message about updating the graphics (from the log yesterday?)
<jamest> working on it now neilt
<neilt> cool, no urgancy
<neilt> just wanted to make sure its in works
<neilt> jamest:  thanks
<jamest> no prob
<jamest> but I may need some help
<neilt> sure
<jcater> anyone out here have easy access to DB's other than Postgres/MySQL?
<jcater> (that they actually know how to use :)
<jamest> I can get Oracle but i loathe setting it up
<jcater> well, that's the one I have access to :)
<jcater> I'd like to get some others testing the new gnue-common drivers
<jamest> :)
<jcater> I have a few installations here at home
<jcater> but like I don't know how to do the equiv of sqlplus or mysql or psql from the command prompt
<jcater> :(
<jcater> 'course, I guess I could RTFM for them
<jamest> neilt: are these new pics
<jamest> ?
<neilt> whats the question
<jamest> should I just replace the pics
<neilt> yes
<jamest> and leave votes and comments as they are?
<neilt> yes
<jamest> is the GEAS pic new?
<neilt> nope
<neilt> it has been update
<neilt> updated
<neilt> i am getting ready to leave
<neilt> so if you need help, now is the time
<jamest> ok
<jamest> i'm just about to switch the forms one
<jamest> forms pic updated
<jamest> does it look correct?
<jamest> wait
<jamest> wtf?
<neilt> looking
<neilt> yep, forms one is ok
<jamest> you didn't need forms pic updated did you
<neilt> nope :)
<neilt> but it is still ok
<neilt> that is good
<jamest> the GNUePkgArchitecture.png is updated
<jamest> I can't find GNUeGEASArchitecture.png in the gallery
<neilt> GNUePkgArchitecture.png is ok
<neilt> its the only other one in the gnue area
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<jamest> ok, the filename used to be GNUeSimpleSystem.png 
<neilt> yes that is the one
<jamest> please check it now
<jamest> as I renamed it
<jamest> to the new name
<neilt> yes, looks good
<neilt> thank you
<neilt> great job
<jamest> no prblem
<jamest> if you'd like
<jamest> i can add you to the www-data group
<neilt> i am alrady there
<jamest> ah
<jamest> then all you have to do 
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<jamest> is find the pic you wish to replace in a dir under /var/www/modules/NS-My_eGallery/gallery
<jamest> each catagory gets it's own dir
<jamest> so the file of interest is something like
<neilt> i thought this stuff was stored in mysql database
<jamest> /var/www/modules/NS-My_eGallery/gallery/GNUe/GNUeFormsArchitecture.png 
<jamest> not the pics
<jamest> just the references to the pics
<jamest> so you can copy over an existing pic as long as you don't rename it
<neilt> cool, thanks
<jamest> no prob
<neilt> i understand it now
<neilt> later
<jamest> sorry it's taken so long
<jamest> l8r
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<jamest> pwd
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<jbailey> chillywilly: Compost is *good* for the lawn.
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<chillywilly> jbailey: uh, no
<chillywilly> not when you are told specifically to rake the leaves
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<chillywilly> do you guys have any idea why I cannot biew the topics on our main site using the backend.php link?
<chillywilly> er, view
<chillywilly> the RSS url or whatever
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<chillywilly> hey reinhard
<chillywilly> ello lambert
<lambert> Hello
<reinhard> hi all
<chillywilly> http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,69203,00.asp
<chillywilly> windows XP == windows eXtra Porprietary :P
<chillywilly> er, Proprietary
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<jcater> how cute
<jcater> AMD is releasing the AMD Athlon XP processor
<chillywilly> eXtra Proprietary?
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<jcater> oh my god!
<jcater> mdean turned into a house!
<chillywilly> http://advogato.org/article/372.html
<chillywilly> jcater: what do you think of this? Is this what the FSF needs to focus on?
<chillywilly> I think this is somewhat relevant to your guys LWCE complaints ;)
<jcater> "
<jcater> I personally would welcome a more proactive stance from FSF..."
<jcater> I kinda agree with the dude, although he is coming from another direction
<chillywilly> well that is why I said "somewhat"
<jcater> my concern is that the FSF should focus its resources converting people to the free cause, not preaching to the already converted.
<chillywilly> hey I was reading some discussions on the dotGNU lists and they were talking about a UI thin client, middleware etc. and I couldn't help but think of GNUe, what would yall think about GNUe/dotGNU integration somewhere down the road?
<jcater> what are they looking for?
<chillywilly> we would need to get the to use python and forget about Java
<chillywilly> ;)
<chillywilly> they don't have much code anyway
<chillywilly> just p.net
<chillywilly> er, Portable.NET
<chillywilly> which merged
<chillywilly> there are many parallels
<chillywilly> I wanna closer at a few things after I get GSim released
<chillywilly> er, look closer
<jcater> GSim?
<chillywilly> GNU Sim
<chillywilly> a c++ simualtion library
<chillywilly> uses GNU Common C++ and GNU Scientific Library
<chillywilly> multi-threaded
<chillywilly> OO programming grew out of simulatio langauges and stuff ya know
<chillywilly> you ever hear  of Simula?
<jcater> heard of it
<jcater> never used it, though
<chillywilly> they made us take this course in school "Modeling and Simulation"
<jcater> It was a precursor to SmallTalk IIRC
<chillywilly> I found it prety interesting and fun so I just decided to write this
<chillywilly> hence my reason for not doing anything GNUe related for a while I have been hacking something else
<chillywilly> bad chillywilly
<jcater> you should spank yourself for that
<jcater> um, wait... no, don't do that
<chillywilly> uh, ok
<chillywilly> that's masta's job ;)
<chillywilly> what would he do with himself if he couldn't beat the coders?
<jcater> go to DisneyLand?
<chillywilly> haha
<chillywilly> even masta's get a vacation
<chillywilly> we should be going wild now that he is gone
<jcater> a vacation without a laptop and internet?
<chillywilly> frrrrreeeeeddoooooom
<jcater> sounds more like hell to me
<chillywilly> :P
<chillywilly> rofl
<jcater> couple of years ago I had to spend a week w/my inlaws in Texas
<chillywilly> oh gawd
<jcater> I ended up going and buying a modem for them
<chillywilly> lol
<chillywilly> dude when I had to ship this laptop back for repairs I was going nuts
<jcater> after that trip, I realized I HAD to have a laptop :)
<chillywilly> yup
<chillywilly> this one isn't too bad
<chillywilly> PIII 450
<chillywilly> 160MB RAM
<chillywilly> I am gonna build a new box soon
<chillywilly> now that I am not poor
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<jcater> .. or at least chronically broke
<chillywilly> well if I would know what I know now I would never geta  credit card ever
<chillywilly> :P
<chillywilly> or buy anything on credit...it is not fscking worth it
<jcater> nope
<chillywilly> I probably would've went to my $15,000 a year engineering school either
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<neilt> hello all again
<neilt> i am redoing my computer and have not had x windows running for a few months
<neilt> but xfree86 is now installed and running
<neilt> but i am again confused about window managers and desktops
<neilt> how should i configure xwindows in this regard?
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<jcater> neilt: start with a stiff bourbon
<chillywilly> you asking for a desktop suggestion?
<chillywilly> or how to configure X?
<neilt> a desktop and/or windowmanager suggestion
<neilt> selection of
<neilt> jcater:  thats a given, with anything that is not a mac :)
<jcater> well, with KDE you can simulate that MAC of yours :)
<neilt> jcater:  ahh but i have the real thing, so its not memorex
<chillywilly> use Gnome
<jcater> you running XFree86 ontop of your Mac?
<neilt> jcater:  yes
<jcater> well, that rocks
<neilt> jcater: not on top of, but in separate window
<chillywilly> G-N-O-M-E!!!
<neilt> chillywilly:  ok so gnome
<jcater> K-D-E!!!
<neilt> i'll go get that
<jcater> :)p
<chillywilly> yay!
<neilt> no kde
<neilt> i go get that
<chillywilly> kde bad
<neilt> last one always wins
<chillywilly> you can make Gnome look like Aqua
<chillywilly> G-N-O-M-E!!!
<jcater> TWM!!!
<chillywilly> blackbox!!!
<chillywilly> sawfish!!
<chillywilly> windowmaker!!!
<neilt> enlightenment
<chillywilly> afterstep!!!
<neilt> ?
<neilt> oroborus
<chillywilly> try a bunch of them and pick what you like ;)
<neilt> ?
<neilt> that will take too long
<chillywilly> or be cool and use Gnome
<neilt> i'll probably stick to the first one
<neilt> actually kde is not listed in apt-get
<chillywilly> it should be
<neilt> so it'l have to gnome
<chillywilly> gnome 1.4?
<chillywilly> 1.0.x sucks
<neilt> yep 1.4 is listed
<chillywilly> kewl
<chillywilly> OS X uses apt?
<neilt> no, but fink does
<chillywilly> what is fink?
<chillywilly> hehe, nice name
<neilt> a layer on top of apt-get that automatically applies patches and configures debian packages for mac os x
<chillywilly> cool
<chillywilly> do you have a sources.list file then?
<chillywilly> what debian distro you pulling packages from?
<neilt> ??
<chillywilly> stable, testing, unstable?
<neilt> all three
<neilt> :)
<chillywilly> oh, ok
<chillywilly> well debian's Gnome rules, imho
<neilt> i like to live on the wild side
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<chillywilly> uh, too much information
<chillywilly> does slackware do binary packages?
<chillywilly> or do you gotta compile it all?
<jcater> yeah. they have packaging
<jcater> but who wants precompiled binaries?
<chillywilly> ppl who are impatient
<chillywilly> :P
<chillywilly> shit might as well to LFS then
<jcater> I don't trust prebuilt stuff
<chillywilly> or Gentoo Linux
<chillywilly> they use ports and you get to compile it all
<jcater> ooh! I love ports
<chillywilly> I am sure it i faster though and probably a lot more kick ass
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<chillywilly> ports is pretty cool
<chillywilly> don't you need pmake though?
<jcater> I've been meaning to try Debian ports
<chillywilly> pmake sux
<jcater> no
<jcater> gmake
<chillywilly> good
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<chillywilly> Roland is the real masta ;)
<chillywilly> when I grow up  wann be like him ;)
<chillywilly> I wanna
<jcater> dude!
<jcater> gentoo looks cool
<jcater> it's packaging is a Python-based Ports collection
<chillywilly> yea, I thought it looked pretty awesome
<chillywilly> I just don't like having to compile everything
<chillywilly> I am lazy
<chillywilly> although I am a kernel compile addict
<chillywilly> I just can't help myself
<jcater> wow! openafs looks cool too
<chillywilly> wassat?
<jcater> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/openafs.html
<jcater> read the "What is AFS" section
<jcater> I'd heard of OpenAFS before, but didn't know what it was
<jcater> ...just assumed it was like ReiserFS or XFS
<chillywilly> oh
<chillywilly> ok, I think that was mention on the dotGNU developers list
<chillywilly> they were looking at it
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<chillywilly> man if I had another box to play with I would try gentoo out
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<reinhard> night all
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<chillywilly> hey dude
<nickr> hey
<chillywilly> long time no see
<nickr> whats the good word?
<nickr> Yea
<chillywilly> whatcha been up to?
<nickr> I'm semi-homeless waiting on some jobs to engage
<nickr> Mostly reading a lot
<chillywilly> homeless?
<nickr> sometimes the modem works and I can read email and such
<nickr> yea, camping out in a basement apt that is unfinished in a building one of the job people owns
<chillywilly> you're not occupying the hsck squat anymore?
<nickr> No
<nickr> no funding
<chillywilly> why not?
<chillywilly> ugh
<dtm> nickr: solidarity, bro
<nickr> Someday I'll fund a hacksquat :)
<chillywilly> yea ;)
<nickr> looks like my best bet is working for the man for a while, my friend says theres a 70% chance his company will hire me
<chillywilly> I thought something bad like that had happened because you sorta disappeared
<chillywilly> yea
<chillywilly> the man
<chillywilly> *sigh*
<nickr> and I'll be doing gnulinux stuff so its okay
<nickr> for the most part
<chillywilly> good
<nickr> because they are migrating their servers to it
<nickr> and need someone to operate and support them
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<chillywilly> :P
<chillywilly> jbut at least I am not doing proprietary software
<chillywilly> anyway
<chillywilly> dinner
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<nickr> boop
Action: chillywilly is away: dinner
<dtm> chillywilly: !@#)%
<dtm> chillywilly: what is your job,dood
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<chillywilly> I told you before
<chillywilly> I have to relinquish the line
<chillywilly> cya l8r
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<dtm> chillywilly is temperamental these days
<dtm> i think maybe he takes much offense to his current workplace and such
<nickr> Hows that?
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