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<ajmitch> for those that are interested: http://sourceforge.net/projects/compiere/
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<dtm> HI ALL
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<ajmitch> HI DTM
<dtm> ajmitch: hi
<ajmitch> wassup?
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<derek> ajmitch: jcater pointed out compiere to me earlier, interesting competition, similar to www.possl.org
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<jcater> howdy
<dneighbo> hello
<reinhard> hello
<reinhard> goodby
<reinhard> goodbye
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<jcater> lol
<jcater> what a poetic group we are
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<ra3vat> ÒÛ ÆÄÄ
<ra3vat> hi all
<dneighbo> ÒÛ ÆÄÄ to you too :)
<dneighbo> is ÒÛ russian for hi?
<ra3vat> :)
<ra3vat> yeah, wrong layout
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<dneighbo> hi Isomer 
<dneighbo> jcater you around?
<jcater> yip
<Isomer> mornin' :)
Action: dneighbo is wondering if you got to look at the evil death form yet
<jcater> no
<jcater> users are expecting me to work today
<jcater> btw, I'll be at a Tom Peters seminar tomorrow
<jcater> so don't expect to see me until late PM
<ra3vat__> Tom Peters?
<jcater> yeah.. one of those management gurus
<jcater> happy, happy, joy, joy
<dneighbo> tom peters sounds more like a porn stars name than management guru
<Isomer> heh
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<dneighbo> jcater procuring booth now for LWCE
<dneighbo> before its too late, if we have to back out we have to back out, but want to preserve it
<jcater> ok
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<dneighbo> Isomer any comments, questions, flames?
<Isomer> My biggest comment is that I think it's a good idea :)
<dneighbo> jcater i faxed over info for booth and have contacted IBM about machines (as well as development goodies for db2)
<Isomer> It's somewhat disconcerting with the nicknames after the reference to the person
<Isomer> I would have used something like Real Name (alias) [*]
<Isomer> and made the alias "part" of their realname
<dneighbo> ?
<Isomer> or done Real "alias" Name :)
<Isomer> but thats only cosmetic :)
<dneighbo> say my name is Derek Neighbors and irc nick is dneighbo
<dneighbo> how would you represent it? and how is it represented now (me shamefully doesnt know) ;)
<dneighbo> so Derek "dneighbo" Neighbors
<dneighbo> psu does these so will pass this on to him as now looking at the KC i remember not being in love with that either
<Isomer> that would be on idea yeah
<Isomer> also, nowhere on the page (that I could see) did it mention the network or the channel name
<dneighbo> doh!
<Isomer> which is kinda important if you want people to turn up :)
<dneighbo> that is a major boo boo :)
<Isomer> (on the other hand, the logs are enlightening :)
<dneighbo> *** NOTE TO PSU PLEASE ADD CHANNEL LOCATION TO KC's ****
<reinhard> huh?
<reinhard> Reinhard "reinhard" Müller
<reinhard> :)
<ra3vat__> you need your irc name more encripted :)
<jcater> Jason "pimpdaddy" Cater
<ajmitch> morning all :)
<Isomer> mornin' mitch
<Isomer> LTNS
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<ajmitch> yeah
<ajmitch> oh, hi chillywilly
<Isomer> :)
<chillywilly> hey dudes
<ajmitch> Isomer: what drags you in here? :)
<chillywilly> whatcha doin' here Isomer?
<chillywilly> jinx
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<ajmitch> hehe
<chillywilly> double entry accounting crap
<chillywilly> it is confusing
<ajmitch> nah
<chillywilly> or maybe I am just slow
<chillywilly> either way it sux
<Isomer> heh
<Isomer> chillywilly: read the kt this morning
<Isomer> so I thought I'd drop in
<Isomer> and make a few minor comments
<Isomer> and generally just sit and talk :)
<chillywilly> kernel cousin?
<Isomer> yeah
<chillywilly> oooh
<Isomer> the world needs more of them
<chillywilly> yep we are now officially being watched
<ajmitch> hmm, it doesn't help that the website or irc server are not mentioned...
<chillywilly> ajmitch: ?
<ajmitch> nor does it explain what GNUe is :)
<ajmitch> on the KC
<chillywilly> ok
<ajmitch> ah no, i see the website link
<chillywilly> complain to psu when he comes around
<ajmitch> reinhard has already put his note in the logs :)
<chillywilly> that is the same summary as last time right?
<chillywilly> there's nothign new is there?
<ajmitch> yes
<chillywilly> yes, what?
<ajmitch> but it's linked from linuxtoday.com now
<chillywilly> oooooh
<chillywilly> kewl
<ajmitch> so more people will see it
<chillywilly> uhuh
<chillywilly> no comments though
<chillywilly> :(
<ajmitch> more people will see your name...
<chillywilly> ah well
<ajmitch> add a comment then!
<chillywilly> oh crud
<chillywilly> bah, there's nothing I wanna comment on
<ajmitch> hehe
<Isomer> rofl
<ajmitch> you can say how you love GNUe, it's the best thing since sliced bread...
<ajmitch> or we could get Isomer here to comment.... :)
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<ajmitch> hmm, i think i got up a little late today...
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<chillywilly> scorpio?
<jcater> yip
<jcater> you too?
<jcater> no wonder we argue so much
<Isomer> rofl
<ajmitch> so we gonna have a big irc party for them?
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<Mr_You> my b-days next month 
<ajmitch> Isomer: you
<ajmitch> Isomer: you're in june as well?
<Isomer> May
<ajmitch> k
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<Isomer> it's nearly lunch time :P
<chillywilly> what are fixed assets?
<chillywilly> anyone?
<ajmitch> Isomer: yeah, but i just got up :)
<chillywilly> you finally sleep ajmitch?
<chillywilly> :P
<Isomer> chillywilly: from my very very vague memory of doing accounting like 8 years ago, I *think* it's things like buildings
<ajmitch> chillywilly: yeah, decided to go to bed about 3am this morning
<chillywilly> after not sleeping the other day?
<chillywilly> Isomer: k
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<ajmitch> yeah
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> after 2 weeks, I finally have X over Windows :)
<Isomer> jcater: VNC!
<chillywilly> why do you want that?
<chillywilly> man I cannot click in the opening balance text box
<chillywilly> wtf
<chillywilly> nevermind
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<Mr_You> new version of cygwin is out
<chillywilly> gah why are there so many more expenses than income categories?
<chillywilly> hehe
<Isomer> coz noone has enough money :)
<chillywilly> damn'
<chillywilly> ;)
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<jcater> Isomer: actually, use it daily :)
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<Mr_You> President Bush signed an executive order Thursday night allowing either the White House or former presidents to veto release of their presidential papers, drawing criticism from President Clinton and several historians. 
<jcater> would you expect any less from him?
<Mr_You> its his people
<Mr_You> he's just a pen pusher, face and voice
<Isomer> what do the "presidential papers" contain?
<Mr_You> Many officials of the Regan and first Bush administration are back in the White House, and critics contend that the executive order may be motivated by a desire to protect them.
<Mr_You> The order reinterprets the Presidential Records Act of 1978, which put papers of future presidents in the public domain, following a court fight over Richard Nixon's papers
<Mr_You> .
<chillywilly> heh
<Mr_You> Gonzales said any decision to withhold documents could be challenged in court, adding that the administration would lose if a decision did not have solid constitutional grounding. He acknowledged that such a process could take years. 
<reinhard> nite all
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<Mr_You> I think I really hate republicans
<Mr_You> atleast the recent ones
<chillywilly> I hate both parties
<chillywilly> they are both bought
<Mr_You> I bid too much on a used book heh
<Mr_You> hrrmmm wget is not excluding 
<Isomer> nondescrimintary unix tools
<jcater> lol
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<Isomer> so I can idle in more interesting places like this :)
<jcater> :)
<jcater> we have our spurts
<jcater> I'll walk away for 5 minutes (after 1 hr of no activity) and have to scroll back several pages :)
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<jcater> mdean: 'sup dawg?
<mdean> hey d00d
<ajmitch> yo mdean
<ajmitch> (& jcater)
<mdean> howdy
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<Isomer> can you get gnuebot to put the occasional <a name="ts"> into the channel logs?
<Isomer> so you can put the links on the KC page to go direct to the start of the conversation?
<Isomer> instead of whatever was happening at midnight or so? :)
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<Isomer> the Gnu enterprise forms thingie renders using GTK, Win32, Curses etc, is there a HTML frontend?
<jcater> it's in the works
<jcater> but we don't have a functioning version available yet
<Isomer> ahh cool
<mdean> jcater: got a quick ? for ya
<jcater> wassup
<mdean> jcater: would PyDO make sense in GNUe?  or is it not needed?
<jcater> um
<jcater> what's PyDO?
<mdean> Python Data Objects
<mdean> http://skunkweb.sourceforge.net/pydo.html
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<jcater> interesting
<jcater> very interesting
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<mdean> what's funny is that's what I did with the DCL db classes somewhat
<mdean> define fields and types in the constructor and let the db base class worry about persistence
<jcater> can you tell what the license is on that puppy?
<Isomer> heh, funky.
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<mdean> jcater: GPL
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<jcater> cool
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<Isomer> and we tend to use that a lot
<Isomer> another group uses Oracle Forms and curses it regularly
<jcater> :)
<jcater> that's my background
<mdean> yeeesh
<jcater> only I refused to give up Form 3.0 (the last curses based forms)
<Isomer> heh
<jcater> until Oracle pried if from my cold, hard hands
<Isomer> sounds like them
<Isomer> rofl
<jcater> that's why I'm here :)
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<Isomer> I've never used oracle forms
<Isomer> so, shrug :)
<Isomer> What backend do you guys recommend?
<jcater> postgresql
<mdean> ditto
<mdean> pgsql wrox
<jcater> we work with all major backends
<jcater> but of course we must recommend a free one :)
<jcater> and pgsql IMHO is the best of the free ones
<jcater> for this type of stuff
<mdean> defintely
<mdean> definitely even
<Isomer> Good
<Isomer> if you said mysql
<chillywilly> postgres is the shiznit
<Isomer> I'd have to shoot you
<Isomer> :)
<jcater> lol
<mdean> mysql is good if you want to run sql queries against your file system
<jcater> well, IMHO, a relational database that doesn't do transactions needs to grow up :)
<Isomer> jcater: subselects is another screaming problem
<jcater> yes
<jcater> there are many issues :)
<Isomer> you don't need them often, but when you do....
<mdean> and foreign keys
<Isomer> yes!
<mdean> but hey - they're manual says you don't need that stuff if you write your application properly
<mdean> feh!
<Isomer> although, have you ever seen phpmyadmin?
<mdean> ja
<Isomer> mdean: who cares? it's documention.  Documentation is important
<mdean> and PgAdmin
<Isomer> seen the recent cvs versions?
<mdean> nope
<Isomer> bleeding edge phpmyadmin is very sweet :)
<Isomer> hmm
<mdean> I steer clear of mysql if at all possible
<chillywilly> mysql gives me hives
<Isomer> I'm forced to use it at work
<mdean> my condolences
<Isomer> but I must say whoevers working on phpmyadmin is doing something right
<jcater> chillywilly: I thought that was gnome
<mdean> I like what I've seen of TOra so far
<jcater> oh, wait.. the rash is from gnome
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<Mr_You> hehe
<chillywilly> bah, if I wanted winders on GNU/Linux I would just yse KDE
<chillywilly> s/yse/use
<Isomer> rofl
<mdean> but KDE pre-1.0 alpha was much more stable than Vinders
<Isomer> or wine? :)
<chillywilly> Gnome ownz
<mdean> heh - wine progman.exe takes me back...
<chillywilly> Gnome is a hackers desktop
<chillywilly> imho
<Isomer> desktop?
<Isomer> hackers have desktop?
<chillywilly> yep it is called Gnome
<chillywilly> heheh
<Isomer> bah
<Isomer> real hackers use X to multiplex xterms!
<jcater> real hackers don't get out enough to even know what a trout is
<chillywilly> but the web doesn't look good in the console
<chillywilly> jcater: thems fighting words
<Isomer> whats a web?
<chillywilly> ok, Isorms
<dnWork> jcater: thats 'virtual trout'
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<chillywilly> bah, somtimes I dfo hangout in #prosapologian where they all use winblows
<chillywilly> that's why I use the trout....I was actaully making fun on mIRC you know
<chillywilly> s/was/am
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<Isomer> Oww!
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<jcater> chillywilly: please keep your trouts to yourself
<chillywilly> jcater: make me
<jcater> especially if you are wildly slapping it
<chillywilly> I dare you
<chillywilly> wildly, salpping
<chillywilly> duh
<chillywilly> there's a pause there
<chillywilly> er, slapping
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<chillywilly> derek: you use gnucash to track your finances?
<chillywilly> brb
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<jcater> derek: I think we need a solid (few paragraph) description of GNUe on home page
<derek> we need a new homepage
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<derek> i hate to say that, but after much thinking i think they need to be separate, i was torn before on this, but figured we would try the slashdot thing
<derek> i think we need a simple site, like the one you originally mocked up
<jcater> I've heard over and over that no one understood our porject after looking at our home page
<derek> that is very clean
<Isomer> jcater: precisely
<derek> basic announcements of releases as 'news items'
<jcater> maybe we need a www.gnue.org and a my.gnue.org :)
<Isomer> I think I only "got" it coz I knew what oracle forms was all about
<derek> then have tools section
<derek> packages section
<derek> but much cleaner
<derek> and simple
<jcater> I have a working blurb:
<jcater> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/blurb.html
<derek> i think there is still HUGE value in a 'business news site' that is concentrated on free software
<derek> ie. a free software business portal
<jcater> derek: I don't disagree at all
<derek> but i think they need to be separate
<derek> i ahve always somewhat thought that, but figured we could give this a try
<jcater> well, I was part of this design too :)
<jcater> but I must say, it isn't working
<Isomer> or, alternatively, have a big button somewhere saying "what is GNUe all about?"
<jcater> (I can say that since I helped do it :)
<derek> jcater i agree i think the idea is right and if everyone knew what gnue was it woudl be more efficent (i.e. sap could probably get away with it)
<derek> but since most people want to find out 'what is gnue'
<derek> and easily find the 'basics' i think we need a more simple site
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<jcater> I know
<derek> i have to go shopping  :( (sigh free days are toast lately)
<jcater> but at least a one page summary with a link near the top of our home page
<jcater> is a necessity
<derek> and considering buying new car tonight (double sigh)
<jcater> ack!!
<derek> jcater: part of me says the current site would work if we could 'fix some of it'
<derek> i hate how some of the 'nuke' navigation comes first on left side (i tried to get rid of it and couldnt)
<derek> if packages / tools was up there it would more clear i think
<jcater> well, I'm not voting for a completely new site
<jcater> we don't have the resources
<derek> also better stuff on the top nav bar (more direct stuff)
<derek> and then a header of WHAT GNUe is 
<jcater> but we have a specific problem that we should be able to solve short term
<derek> before any of the articles
<jcater> I only bring this up as 
<jcater> we will be releasing again soon
<jcater> I gotta run to the store
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<derek> i have to run to store too
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<Isomer> hmm
<Isomer> noones done a gnome summary for a few weeks :/
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<Isomer> jcTarget: you said that the HTML version was under development, how complete is it?
<chillywilly> of forms?
<Isomer> yeah
<chillywilly> madlocke was supposed to have done some work on that but we have seen no code for it
<Isomer> ahh
<Isomer> that kind of "under development"
<Isomer> as opposed to "it works, just don't sneeze the wrong way"
<chillywilly> I dunno those forms weenies might know more than I about it :P
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<ra3vat__> chillywilly: how to apt-get source package? different name or command?
<chillywilly> 'apt-get source package'
<chillywilly> anyway
<chillywilly> brb
<ra3vat__> thanks
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<jcater> Isomer: yeah, that kind of "under development" :)
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<chillywilly> anyone here?
<chillywilly> masta back?
<chillywilly> jc?
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<chillywilly> what's wrong with libGDA?
<chillywilly> seems that it really does not have too many dependencies
<chillywilly> orbit, gconf, oaf, and glib
<chillywilly> was that the only objection?
<chillywilly> the dependencies?
<jcater> for what? geas?
<jcater> anyone here use xchat?
<chillywilly> yes
<chillywilly> why don;t we use libgda for all data access?
<chillywilly> that's its point isn't it?
<jcater> I don't think it was ready when we were ready
<chillywilly> oh
<jcater> plus it's fairly unix-specific, IIRC
<jcater> BUT
<chillywilly> looks good now though
<chillywilly> shouldn't be
<jcater> I do think we should write a pseudo-dbdriver for it
<chillywilly> it ha s awrpaper over the CORBA
<chillywilly> you could actually do a different ORB for libGDA
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<chillywilly> has a C API
<chillywilly> I dunno
<chillywilly> I just remember eveyone hated it
<chillywilly> cause it used to depende on X
<jcater> chillywilly: is there a way to make xchat automatically connect to a server and log into my favorite channels?
<chillywilly> maybe it is ported to Gnome 2.0 architectre
<chillywilly> and use GObkect now
<chillywilly> GObject
<chillywilly> jcater: yes
<jcater> chillywilly: the whole libGDA thing was before I came on
<chillywilly> ummm
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<jcater> so I really don't know much about it
<chillywilly> http://www.gnome-db.org
<chillywilly> is does xml sql queries
<chillywilly> ansd to do another data source you implement a CORBA server
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<chillywilly> that implekents the GDA IDL
<chillywilly> or somethin'
<chillywilly> neilt: hey
<neilt> hey
<chillywilly> what was the reason for not using libGDA?
<chillywilly> X dependencies?
<chillywilly> bonobo dependencies?
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<jcater> chillywilly: how do I do that w/xchat?
<chillywilly> right?
<chillywilly> jcater: hold up
<chillywilly> you got to the server list
<chillywilly> dialog
<chillywilly> select the server
<chillywilly> the that text field you use a comma separated list
<chillywilly> liek this
<chillywilly> #freedevelopers,#scrappy,#gnuenterprise,#hurd,#gnu,#bayonne,#dotgnu,#gstreamer,#www-ng
<chillywilly> that is my list
<jcater> gotcha
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<jcater> sigh
<jcater> #python is a useless channel
<chillywilly> why?
<chillywilly> no one home?
<jcater> well, for the last half hour, they've been discussing bacon and pizzas
<chillywilly> haha
<chillywilly> does guido ever hang out there?
<chillywilly> I didn't even know there was a #python
<jcater> not that I've seen
<jcater> I went there yesterday to ask a question
<jcater> first time I've had to ask a python question :(
<jcater> they were kinda condescending
<chillywilly> hmmmm
<chillywilly> YGD?
<jcater> YGD?
<chillywilly> young genious's disease
<jcater> I suppose
<chillywilly> bah
<jcater> there's a guy called dash in there
<chillywilly> #debian is also about as useful
<jcater> always yacking
<jcater> he thought our project had been dead for a while
<jcater> and let me know he thought so :)
<chillywilly> what did he do?
<jcater> well, he told me how useless our web site was
<jcater> he asked if there was any code
<chillywilly> heh
<jcater> (<jcater> well, I use it in a 40 node call center)
<jcater> (<dash> oh, well what is it)
<jcater> and so on
<chillywilly> k
<chillywilly> GNUe is the shit man
<chillywilly> :P
<neilt> chillywilly: dont know about libGDA, need to ask reinhard
<chillywilly> haha
<chillywilly> that one guys name is booyeah
<chillywilly> neilt: okie dokie
<chillywilly> http://www.gnome-db.org/docs/manual/libgda/introduction.html
<chillywilly> the intro sounds good though
<chillywilly> but if it depends on bonobo and X that would suck
<neilt> the reason iirc was that libgda is more than libgda
<chillywilly> but it is also unix-xentric
<chillywilly> centric even
<chillywilly> libgda has a certain architecture to it.....I don't think you have to use their stupid reports though
<neilt> or the part we needed would cary a lot of extra stuff
<chillywilly> I dunno I got some other ideas
<chillywilly> like a GObject ODMG implementation
<chillywilly> if that makes sense
<chillywilly> we cna call it GDO
<chillywilly> libgdo
<chillywilly> GNU Data Objects
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> whatever
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<Maniac> mmmm crack pipe
<neilt> should be DOG
<chillywilly> haha
<neilt> that way we can have a picture
<chillywilly> Distributed Object Glue
<neilt> to go with our goats
<neilt> thats it
<chillywilly> that's my middleware abstraction idea
<chillywilly> or GROAN
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<chillywilly> we are by the GNUe KC guy ;)
<jcater> lol
<jcater> he'll have a lot to read this week :)
<chillywilly> mdean: so you say that SOAP and XML-RPC are slow?
<chillywilly> hmmm
<chillywilly> why didn't KDE use CORBA in its desktop?
<chillywilly> ppl always bitch and moan abut CORBA being slow
<chillywilly> ah well
<chillywilly> I know GEAS is no show stopper in its performance
<mdean> hmmmm - passing XML documents for a protocol vs. a native version?  I'd say it's slow
<chillywilly> I don't think that has to dow with ORBit though
<mdean> corba is probably quite a bit faster than XML based protocols
<chillywilly> they say that SOAP and IIOP are realy the things that do the same things
<chillywilly> and you can make you ORB do xml messaging
<jcater> mdean: that'd be my guess too
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<mdean> the way I look at it is that you want a native protocol for speed, but optionally support SOAP/XML-RPC/XML-whatever for interoperability
<chillywilly> hmmmm
<chillywilly> I don't think ORBit uses xml-rcp/soap at all
<chillywilly> nor does that Omni ORB either
<mdean> doesn't need to - you have a service taking XML-RPC or SOAP requests that can then pass it off to an ORB
<chillywilly> hrrrrrm
<mdean> do the processing in CORBA objects, return a XML-RPC/SOAP response back to the calling client
<chillywilly> ya I guess so
<chillywilly> we still use CORBA then
<chillywilly> muuwhahhahaa
<chillywilly> we can never get rid of it
<chillywilly> we have been assimilated
<mdean> ja - but expose an XML-RPC or SOAP interface to the application
<mdean> hehe
<mdean> "We are GNUe of CORBA!"
<chillywilly> jcater: you ever use xml-rpc or soap?
<chillywilly> or even look at it?
<jcater> I use soap once a week, whether I need to or not
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<chillywilly> jcater: :D
<jcater> xml-rpc is SO easy to implement in python
<jcater> but I don't use it seriously anywhere
<jcater> I've just played w/it
<chillywilly> well I have looked at xml-rpc a long time ago
<chillywilly> when I used to run kde
<chillywilly> I wrote bash script
<chillywilly> that used xml-rpc call to activate a desktop component
<chillywilly> very simple
<mdean> I wrote a SOAP service and client @ work - service is PERL running SOAP::Lite - client is MS-SOAP called from a JavaScript object in ASP
<chillywilly> libGDA does: mysql, postgresql, sybase, ldap, oracle, interbase, mdb
<mdean> manages FTP directories on the Linux box (including LDAP authentication)
<jcater> chillywilly: gnue-common does Oracle, Mysql, Postgresql, ODBC, Sybase, SAP-DB, Ingres, Interbase, SQLRelay, informix, and DB2
<chillywilly> ack but the versionb I got installed depends on a lot more crap then what they claim
<jcater> soon it will do GEAS and raw XML files
<jcater> :)
<chillywilly> libGDA still seems sucky
<chillywilly> 25 dependencies according to apt
<jcater> ack!
<chillywilly> and they say it only depends on 4
<chillywilly> liars!
<jcater> chillywilly: the "l" part of libGDA only depends on 4
<jcater> you didn't read ahead to see what the i b G D and A needed
<chillywilly> jcater: how can you call python code from C?
<jcater> chillywilly: I dunno.. never had the desire to
<jcater> I don't think it's hard, though
<chillywilly> isn't that a problem then?
<jcater> what?
<chillywilly> cause we should use same db drivers
<jcater> why is me not having a desire to a problem?
<chillywilly> GEAS supports 2 dbs
<jcater> chillywilly: there's a reason I'm doing the python tools instead of the GEAS c code... I don't have enough crack to code C anymore
<jcater> it's been too long since I've looked at C
<chillywilly> glib makes it all worth while
<chillywilly> makes life easier
<chillywilly> don't you hate it when ppl send html mail?
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<mdean> I Love HTML email - especially from M$
<chillywilly> ello derek
<derek> rofl
<derek> ok i would LOVE to tell you the libGDA 'uncandidly' but we are a bit too public now
<derek> to discuss such things
<derek> jcater: how is outlook for looking at the master/detail deficency?
<jcater> working on it
<ajmitch> wassup all?
<jcater> ajmitch: howdy
<chillywilly> hey ajmitchie
<ajmitch> Kernel Cousin GNUe #1 by Peter Sullivan
<ajmitch> (Nov 6, 2001, 15:03 UTC) (1358 reads) (0 talkbacks) (Posted by mhall) 
<ajmitch> 1358 ppl have read it :)
<ajmitch> nobody has complained in the talkbacks ;)
<chillywilly> hehe
<jcater> wow
<jcater> that's a lot of ppl
<ajmitch> pretty standard for linuxtoday
<ajmitch> does www.gnuenterprise.org have webalizer or something so you can watch the traffic?
<derek> yes
<derek> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/stats/
<ajmitch> derek: doesn't show hits over time
<derek> huh?
<derek> hits over time?
<derek> its webalizer
<ajmitch> eg, how many hits per day
<ajmitch> hmm, ok
<derek> yes it does
<ajmitch> sorry, thought you meant php nuke stats ;)
<derek> click the month you wish to view
<derek> crap it shows you hits by hour :)
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<ajmitch> yeah
<ajmitch> i was looking at stats.php
<ajmitch> as i thought, there's a bit of a traffic spike today :)
<derek> you should see the spikes on release days
<derek> we avg about 5000 hits a day
<derek> well 3500 - 5000
<derek> on a release day it often is like 15000 - 20000
<derek> and then following day 10000 - 15000
<derek> and following day 8000 - 10000
<ajmitch> ok
<derek> thus why i like releases :)
<ajmitch> that's pretty good
<ajmitch> peaking at 15000 today
<derek> ajmitch: yes very good :)
<derek> especially if we have a KC every week :)
<ajmitch> yeah, will raise the profile a bit
<ajmitch> but since this is the first one, probably will be less visits in following weeks
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<derek> btw: for those that care we broke the 1 million hit mark last month (not bad for only like 5 months)
<ajmitch> excellent
<derek> has on course for over 2 million hits a year (not that hits mean squat) but at least some one is 'looking'
<ajmitch> only way i can do that is if i count my local ht://dig hits ;)
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<derek> Who told you, that you could stop coding?
<derek> jcater we dont discuss java here!
<jcater> java?
<jcater> who mentioned java?
<derek> sorry testing old xchat macros
<jcater> that's a very interesting macro
<jcater> what's it's point?
<jcater> err, its
<derek> % we dont discuss java here.
<derek> derek we dont discuss java here.
<derek> there we go
<derek> making buttons now
<derek> jcater: saves typing time :)
<jcater> ah
<jcater> so I could do something like: 
<jcater> "yeah, ok chillywilly. sure"
<derek> yip
<jcater> and just assign that to a button?
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<derek> though i would do
<derek> "yeah, ok %s. sure"
<derek> then you could jsut highlight user you want to substitue with %s and click the button
<derek> im adding one now
<jcater> "%s: yes, we are working on that"
<jcater> I need to do that before we do a release
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<jcater> or "%s: no, master/detail is still buggy on contact management screens"
<derek> ah now i have crappie slappie button :)
<jcater> roflmao
<derek> see its little things like this that prevent me from wiping this system :)
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<jcater> I'm gonna test debian + plex86
<derek> i need this box to be debian desperately but need to fix other box to 'transfer' full sytem over to it :)
<derek> then i can readily get config files and such back if need be
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<jcater> I need sleep
<jcater> later all
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<ajmitch> so quiet...
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