[00:04] Last message repeated 1 time(s). hey Jeff Cater :P doh :D he got your name wrong in the KC dude yeah, I noticed sigh hmmm later he clals you Jason calls even he must've been in a hurry :P if anyone has time, please proof the gnue-common/README.databases file later jcater (jason@HubA-mcr-24-165-193-222.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: nite the README file proves jeff smokes crack ;) psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise. 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In the consciously-elitist world of software engineering, a developer with a few years of Python under his belt gets the best cubicle, the prettiest girl and the respect of his neighbours http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/Python/Python101/Python101_1/page1.html the prettiest girls? where can i learn python?? ;) j/k :) bye all reinhard (rm@62.47.44.7) left irc: "Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est. -- Aurelius Augustinus" Action: jbailey is back (gone 00:38:50) ajmitch (~me@p47-max7.dun.ihug.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. morning all morning gotta run! heh i'm not *that* bad, am i? ;) ajmitch: perhaps ;) jbailey (jbailey@65.93.255.49) left irc: "Client Exiting" ajmitch: forget your deodorant?? :) hehe i see KC GNUe #2 is out yip not sure if I like being quoted or not :) sigh now I'll have to follow through :) heh it has it on record as me being a volunteer for geas hacking now that's scary (althoug i've finished uni for the year) :) heh, it has you as 'Jeff Cater' in one place in most of the places in 8 sections, IIRC :( and 'jason cater' in some places well, jeff/jason, what will you do about it? ;) I dunno if I don't like being quoted, maybe this is for the best :) hehe "No, I didn't say I was gonna do that; you must be thinking of Jeff" so just what's stopping GEAS being (safely) used in production environments? :) heh beats me, I'm just a tools guy :) hehe Action: ajmitch will have to be careful, especially with bigbrother watching... jcater (jason@HubA-mcr-24-165-193-222.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jcater (~jason@HubA-mcr-24-165-193-222.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. wb o jcater thx nickr (nick@e-172-IP26.empnet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (jason@HubA-mcr-24-165-193-222.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jcater (~jason@HubA-mcr-24-165-193-222.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (jason@HubA-mcr-24-165-193-222.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jcater (~jason@HubA-mcr-24-165-193-222.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (me@p47-max7.dun.ihug.co.nz) left irc: "http://www.freedevelopers.net" ajmitch (~me@p47-max7.dun.ihug.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (jason@HubA-mcr-24-165-193-222.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jcater (~jason@24.165.193.222) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~rm@N801P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater: you here? mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-73-63.kc.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (~danielb@d177.as2.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. gemcat (gary@p16-ras5.rtol.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hey chillywilly hey ajmitch hey cw nickr: hi hi nickr: rumour has it you have some concept of a document management system for GNUe? i have been reading up on xml - what use do you plan to make of it? Maniac: Rumor is correct gemcat: xml is used heavily throughout gnue well my question was philosophy - what are your aims? philosophy? i think to be successful you need a very strong database interface - are you using xml for that? AFAIK no databases support XML transactions MSSQL 2k does the database interface, and most other interfaces, are based on CORBA afaik. there is a lot of discussion actually there are several 'engines' that generate xml from databases hey Isomer the ticklish thought is what if you have a really huge set of documents gemcat: we are doing xml _from_ database in the reports module and we have looked at the xml query language from the gnome-db project and we decided to stick with SQL for the db access i am really excited about what you are doing because SQL is sufficiently standardized and supported natively by virtually every db the sybase interface is sql via the java engine one feature of that is the ability to choose what is done server side and client side Action: chillywilly wants to look at OQL hey chillywilly hey reinhard btw happy birthday! thanks :) it was yesterday though uh oh but I'll accept it just the same -) dammn time differences doh i thought i read it in todays log I got one eye hehe nope, yesterday unless it is still Nov. 10th there no nickr: are these plans in the planning stage still? but it was Nov. 11th here already when you said it was your birthday :) IIRC well I can't help that you are just so farahead of me ;P nevermind :) Action: chillywilly is at -5 I think Action: reinhard is at +1 k 10:50 p.m. you are 6 hours ahead still it should've been the 10th when I said it even by you maybe i read it in the logs and there is no timestap 10am + 6 hours = 4pm I was on IRC around that time yesterday iirc Action: ajmitch is at +13 well, thanks for saying it anyway :) mdean (mdean@mkc-65-28-73-63.kc.rr.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" Maniac (darryl@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). stupid timezones hey nickr mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-73-63.kc.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. nite all reinhard (rm@N801P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est. -- Aurelius Augustinus" Hi. has any there been any success recruiting from the many small enterprise related projects at sourceforge? it looks like several could fit nicely - expecially the fundraiser and the bbs ones Maniac (darryl@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) joined #gnuenterprise. I'm terribly board. Is there a guide somewhere to building 2 teir apps with gnuef etc? nickr: you could explain to me your plans for a doc management sytem :) Maniac: Sure, hmm The basic premise is a system in which each of three componants are intended to be operated by different entities (of course they could all be operated as one also) hrm so theres no internal trust between the componants bascially there are two major elements, and a sort of combinator, there is a Metastore a Physicalstore and the DocuStore ok The physical storesimply stores blocks of data under a key like a sort of filesystem but without any metadata hrmm, maybe I should go back to hov the system sees documents ok It sees documents as an identifier wich is associated with several unchangeable instances so its like a permininant versioning system you have, say, document Foo, and Foo has several instances, Bar, Baz and Quux which are considered to be 'versions' of Foo The cananical Foo could notionally be the newest or the oldest or whatever, depending on the application build ons the system Each instance may be created or destroyed or modified until it is 'committed', at which point it becomes immutable so anyway, the metastore indexes and keeps track of certain metadata associated with each document (and each instance) the phystore actually stores the documents themselves well the data associated with the metadata, which could be anything really the docustore is the combinator wihch talks to bothof the other major subsystems hmm this is the underlying layer lots of different apps would be build on top of this system such as an 'organic document system' which would essentially add templating and a 'library' wich would add indexing and 'chick-in/check-out' semantics ah so the intention is to build something very extensible and customizable Yes, the overall intention is to provide a robust storage platform for document type apps this is in concept stage stil yes? I have corba interface definitions for the frontend and some parts of the subsystems I'm still thinking about authentication and such at the call level I'd just as soon impliment it without to get it somewhere then add that later i use Expedition for engineering document control - it is corba afaik Maniac (darryl@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds Maniac (darryl@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) joined #gnuenterprise. sheesh, dropped there Heh nickr: essentially, though this is in beginning stages Maniac: Yes it has many hours of design and thoguht but vecry little implimentation :) been there :) I just haven't been sufficiently motivated as such. anyone like my new name for GNOME OSNOME - Open Source Nazi's Obnoxious Modeling Environment I don't like it. it fits Miguel is the OS nazi /nick jcBusy Nick change: jcater -> jcBusy how much do you use php? I use php all the itme chillywilly: what makes miguel the OS nazi? php has it's uses nickr: i am starting to learn this stuff - i think windows is going for a big crash Maniac (darryl@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds maybe so Maniac (darryl@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) joined #gnuenterprise. grr chillywilly (danielb@d177.as2.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection chillywilly (~danielb@d177.as2.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. connection trouble night nope probably just a golden marmoset I closed xchat you ever use GnuCash? Yea I am trying to figure out how to enter shit in it...i.e., setup the transactions and correct tranfers of money I used to use it when I actually had money flow heheh sucks to be poor eh? yea Action: chillywilly has a job now though not what I want to do, but it is some money Its pretty easy to use ok say you got a pay check and yu deposti it get some cash back ans then transfer some money into anotheer account....3 transactions which should have 6 entries right? no, I think you just have it transfer from one account to the other, its one transation Icome->checking, checking->cash, checking->other account Income wouldn't that be the right way? sure dres was trying to help me out in #gnucash earlier but he has since disappeared Remosi (~isomer@210-54-84-189.adsl.xtra.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. heh, hi Remosi :) mornin' all hi neilt (~neilt@user-2ivelnp.dialup.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. neilt (neilt@user-2ivelnp.dialup.mindspring.com) left irc: Client Quit nite gemcat (gary@p16-ras5.rtol.net) left #gnuenterprise (""). 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I actually like the GNUe KC, it's got a lot of good detai Action: ajmitch thinks psu should use these quotes in his next KC :) yeah, he's doing a damned good job It's also a little disconcerting seeing what you've said then pondering what else you're going to find in there yeah he put in the bit about me volunteering, dammit makes it hard for me to back out of it ;) rofl argh! the sarcasm bites me! it says I suggested using mysql :-( haha i take it you don't like mysql? ;) I don't know any people that do ummmm...no ;-) well, people with little db background like it alot they have yet to be enlightened hehe mdean: what about simpler web-based stuff? well, can you point me to good and new postgresql binary for windows, then? ra3vat: install cygwin - I read pgsql is part of the install now ajmitch: pgsql 100% mdean: k was just chatting to a friend: [14:07:23] btw, what database do you prefer? [14:07:48] for what I do, mysql. [14:08:05] it is simple fast and liteweight. mdean: thanks ajmitch: I prefer pgsql because I care about my data ;-) ra3vat: np mdean: fair enough ;) neilt (~neilt@user-2ivek9c.dialup.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. neilt (neilt@user-2ivek9c.dialup.mindspring.com) left irc: Client Quit hmm you should store your forms in the database :) yeah, why not? ;) doowap then you don't have to distribute your app you just distribute the ability to access the data the apps using :) quiet in here today :) Remosi: we do plan on eventually providing the option of storing in the database Right now, though, forms can be accessed via URIs so you can host your forms definitions behind a webserver ah neat thats convenient derek (~derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Client Quit didn't stay long did he? thats kinda funky yeah derek (~derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. masta! darek hello ajmitch piss and moan how do you do autojoins in xchat? in the err i figured it out once and have #gnuenterprise automagically in the server window server window, theres a place to put the channels you want to join but i saw chilly said you could do , to do more than one now i cant fine it :) separate multiple channels with commas er find even xchat, server list tick show channels option ok thats wehre i went but i dont see ti ? ok clicked that the tick but it didnt show me anything new select the server you want (eg irc.openprojects.net) do bart i think i see it and then in the text box at the bottom of the window enter the channels i cant enter anything there :( nevermind tis there now you have to go into the channel edit screen yea ah well, hit edit ;) no offense but that is bad ui design :) hehe rofl I'm not offended, but I think fixing it would be better than complaining :) telnet -- the one true IRC client :) Remosi: whistling down the phone - the one true way to connect to your isp ;) nickr: yes but unfortunately its C and Glade that makes it even easier to fix the glade part and that is 'appealing' to enhance as having open heart surgery w/o numbing medication or sedation sorry glade/c for visual ui design is shit ajmitch: been there, done that :) hehe :) derek: 'sup dawg su jcBusy sup brb testing login forgot i was cooking and had to run to tend to dinner ): derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "um my gnue tree is bigger than your gnue tree" derek (~derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. sweet much better thank you all :) btw: i found that you can do a 'shell tab in xchat', kind of cool anyone willing to give nfs lessons? or lessons of samba to samba on unix boxes? read up on /etc/exports - nfs is very simple to get going derek: what's wrong with your sneakernet? showing its age? there's a decent nfs howto yeah - man exports ;-) worked for slack 3.0 anyway Action: mdean wonders if Maniac checked dcl cvs... Action: Maniac was just hittin sf whilst watching x-files i like the checkin comment "VERY VERY broken work in progress" :) ok i will check it out need to buy a new pc reinstall laptop, new pc and old pc then redo my server :) slowly over time while moving ot wireless network :) good thing is wife has approved it all just a time thing but my mp3 collection is out growing disk space on laptop slowly archive things off to server but in process of burning cds from cds (i.e. making copies for the car) which will soon be illegal (sigh) and making them to mp3's in the process so i can take to work all PERFECTLY LEGAL usage rights soon to be lost ... :( i started listening to POD via 'loaned' mp3 and subsequently was going to buy album but now im thinking of just getting the album digitally and mailing a check to the band new POD? but have no idea how that would work POD == Payable On Death Nick change: jcBusy -> jcater ja - the new one? they are a San Diego Band that finally made it. :) new one is good - much better than older stuff i like it all :) did anyone get to look at my README.databases as long as it says "MySQL is #1", it's ok ;-) don't let psu hear you :) really - I'll have to start sending XML sarcasm fragments around 80% of my statements mdean: rofl any sysadmins here? with ls i can do ls -lh to get size in human form and ls -lhR to get size in human form recursively but how do i get TOTAL size? i.e. if i do ls -lh du du -sh * how do i get it to tell me size of all files in the ls as well as indvidually or du -sh . du -h * sweet danke gulp, my 'trimmed down' mp3 directory tree sits at 1 gig thanks for the du knowledge np :) at work we've got a 40g drive for "stuff" mostly ogg's/mp3's ok new rule mdean and jcater cant work on same days produces too many cvs commit mails ;) rofl heh errr - and I had to trim out 3 of them for size , so you missed out on more :) derek: mdean did that over a lunch break well we have GNUe developer on payroll now i believe payroll? funky! ra3vat: did lithuania used to be part of russia? i.e. to lithuania's speak russian in general? not part not speak i think if not forget already not part now ok well scoop is we have some one graciously paying a developer to work on gnue in lithuania now he speaks english well, but i figured if they spoke russian as well it would be of big help to you and him both :) cool and if anyone see sevik tell him about another one from ukraine his name is Alex Igevsky iae at nikopol.usb.dp.ua he is behind the firewall so can't to join in here ah ok hmm