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Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) returned to #gnuenterprise. jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: "[x]chat" jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (~danielb@d25.as28.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. howdy hey chillywilly (danielb@d25.as28.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 184 seconds derek (~derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. sigh and the morning was going so well rofl dont mind me just checking email and moving along jcater: maybe we should change to 3rd shift i was up during 3rd shift just paying simcity (im an addict now) so, you were up late, eh? how's that demo form going? not too late yeah, yeah like 1:30 or so and no form you say that now man i saw we dock his pay saw = say btw : you were asking for things intern and full timers could do finish up the configuration tool so that individual installs can tweak the gnue.conf file explore the idea of a GNUe Navigator to make it easy to find the reports/forms/etc via task (also would be tied into config tool so that new forms could list their availability) The integrator project and I won't even touch on all the current stuff needing done well, ok, I will.... geas work hrm who died and elected you goat masta? lots of TODOs in forms, common, designer :D well, now that simBoy is too busy to boss us arround someone has to do it :) man, no comebacks from derek? Must be busy on that new waste treatment plant in the new development section ra3vat (ds@195.239.66.46) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all chillywilly (~danielb@d113.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. actually, I thought derek had asked for a list so I just gave him one that I thought of this morning waaaaaaaaaaaah look out it's meee the GNU nazi sigh and the morning was going so well all others will be holocaust'd rock! I just broke everyone's gnue.conf! er, I mean, oops you must accept GNU or die jamest: how so? yeah oops is what I meant I removed the prefix option mine.conf o bullshit k mein.conf there ya go mein.conf....heil GNU and all the image entries in there started with %(prefix)s now they are relative to the install dir Action: chillywilly trout slaps eveyone for nto getting it this also make only one sample needed s/nto/not not a windows and a unix sample there will be no constructive things happening here today dude why can't I change the topic you friggin topic nazis Action: chillywilly lines eveyone up for a round o' bitch slapping with smelly fishies wake up!!!!!!!!!!! dang chillywilly thois channel is lame how much coffee did you drink this morning?? none 0 zip nadda fineto not a damn drop well I demand that the topic changing be made public or that I be made an op or else there will be fish slappin' to pay damn channel topic nazis some year we need to go to the Python conferences ahhhh, woody went to kde 2.2 alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~rm@N801P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: "Client Exiting" dneighbo (dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 183 seconds derek (~derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest: ? kde 2.2 is for windows wannabees ;P alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: "Client Exiting" alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. There are two major products that come from Berkeley : LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. Jeremy S. Anderson lol :) sigh bbl ra3vat (ds@195.239.66.46) left irc: "Client Exiting" alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: "Client Exiting" edmz (~edmz@dial-148-240-87-74.zone-2.dial.net.mx) joined #gnuenterprise. anyone used bayonne ? nope :P j/k smomeone here may have used it someone even i have BUT let me preface that by saying the bayonne team set absolutely everything up, i just used an installed and configured version to do voice mail demos at linux world expo in our booth so if you are looking ofr a successful use or some features etc i can speak to that if you are looking for techincal support you are probably asking wrong fellow :) dneighbo: I was just wondering if it can do this (i am completely clueless about terminology): have it answer the phone, asks for a extension, and depending on it, it routes it... is this a "pbx"? dres_ (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) yes it can do that and do voice mail on top of that ohh nice :) chillywilly (danielb@d113.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds chillywilly (~danielb@d140.as15.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (~ds@195.239.64.87) joined #gnuenterprise. if anyone's interested, I'm currently looking at a form that is pulling data from an MS Access database via ODBC (the free ODBC, not that non-free mxODBC stuff) chillywilly (danielb@d140.as15.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) wicked cool im interested though i dont want to admit it what is free ODBC? the free python odbc adapter :) for those freaking out (chilly) the reason this is cool as now we know integrator can be made to convert people from access to postgres :) lol if cnt == index and self.isEmpty(): print "Bad, bad, bad" raise IndexError can't argue w/ diagnostics like that that is good who did that i always liked mdeans message 'so hard to find good help now a days' or something to that affect on features that partially work :) chillywilly (~danielb@d145.as5.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater: you here? here i thought you were there? no I was there but now I'm here chillywilly (danielb@d145.as5.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds i wonder how you got from there to here and here to there and back again most interesting if I need to pass additional commands to database after get connection is it a good idea to put it into _postConnect() def ra3vat you not using forms? i.e. you just using common? um or you using forms and making a new trigger type of postConnect? dneighbo: that's a gnue-common DBdriver command ra3vat: what are you trying to accomplish? yes, that's the place things like that would go if working on a new driver but if you are having to customize one of our drivers for your environment, then we may need to do something else it was done some days in old postgresql driver as jason stated what are you trying to achieve I need for example to i.e. what do you plan to do in teh postConnect code? c = self._dataConnection.cursor() c.execute("SET CLIENT_ENCODING TO 'WIN'") ooh jcater you think this should be another item in the connection file? wht does that do? dneighbo: ues like err, yes client_encoding = WIN jcater: sets postgresql locale and it is what ENCODING param in gnue.conf is for ok ra3vat would it be acceptable to just have this as a value in in your connections file? jcater remind me to talk to mdean about date/time stuff if client and database encoding are different it gives postgresql info to recode data on the fly dneighbo: yes, may be connections.conf would be better edmz (~edmz@dial-148-240-87-74.zone-2.dial.net.mx) left #gnuenterprise. stuq_ (~stuq@c5300-2-ip42.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater is quiet, so quiet i wouldnt be suprised if he returns in a second and says its done and in cvs :) ToyMan (stuq@c5300-2-ip6.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds ok that and ODBC support are committed add an encoding=WIN to your connections.conf file psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (me@p62-max6.dun.ihug.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise. jcater: thanks np hey, is this true? php-nuke.org developer has "orphaned" the project? oh, apparently its not stuq_ (~stuq@c5300-2-ip42.albany.thebiz.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). ToyMan (~stuq@c5300-2-ip42.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ~~bbl Action: Mr_You & yes its true from what i can tell ? php nuke is forked and php somethign else is its place ajmitch (~me@p32-max10.dun.ihug.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest: originally php nuke was closed source but free then the guy opened it up Mandrake is supporting it? post-nuke and he got funding and he got ego issues and closed the source back up post-nuke (thanks ra3vat) made a fork of the code and has started to maintain the free version post-nuke doesn't do multi-DBs tho yet :-( basically hosing the original author (his own fault admittedly) ok, well bbl Action: Mr_You & i thought nuke was gpl? i guess not originally but regardless a copyright holder can change their mind :) is ./setup.py devel appropriate command for gnue-common? Action: dneighbo was thinking no! if president bush extended a bbq offer to president putin derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds shouldnt we extend that offer to ra3vat and the other russians on the list?: derek (~derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. i mean we could show them REAL barbeque (memphis or kansas city) style none of this hokey smokey texas tenderloin :) plus i figure jcater couldnt pass up an offer to bbq hmm :) NCS' president wins at practically every BBQ cookoff in the country so gnue meeting at ncs this summer, its final thanks for inviting us lol I still vote on vegas ra3vat: you don't need to do that in common only in forms and designer they include common as part of the devel setup if you are serious im WAY game to vegas its close, its cheap and my wife would have a blast Action: ra3vat was invited already to one banquet passed last monday in Tusla hey tulsa is close too hey I can fly to vegas ~100 as that's a popular destination works for me.... jamest? Action: dneighbo knows jamest has ability to get the 'time' off :) comdex is next week in vegas you know show up on friday and hand out gnue literature why combing the floors then spend the weekend gnue'ing ;) unrealistic of course, but it sounds fun btw the windwos installer looks pretty good getting ready to test on another machine we still looking for a sample form? lol I was originally suposed to go to comdex hmm mlooks like still 0.1.0a out there but things got wierd around here i thought a new one was made that included samples? was it just never 'posted'? if someone can build and post pretty quick i will gladly test not created yet please make a introduction form if you have time maybe something that is on tabbed pages i will right now with a button example, a trigger example if you can make an install :) for .exe and post as im behind firewall a page or two of text and want to test anyhow :) can you use current exe's does odbc work with windows? or do you need more i would like a new one with the samples :) I'm in the middle of a fire but will try and make something in a bit also if possible packaging jcaters odbc code as then i can test DB2 for real via ODBC against the mainframe :) which would seem fairly impressive to some gnue forms windows client :) talking to OS/390 on DB2 fetching 100,000 records in xx seconds would help prove we are serious about supporting real enterprises (a la mainframe) as well as supporting non linux clients and hetereogenous environments. :) anyone seen this: DB000: IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/gnue///usr/local/gnue/shared/images/gnue-splash.png' yip gnue.conf changed in cvs paths are now relative ok the sample.gnue.conf has been updated to reflect the change sorry about that we no longer require different gnue.conf for windows or *nix clients cause we are studs ;) jamest: seems that quick hack in UIwxpython.py does not work anymore: elif (1728 <= event.KeyCode() <= 1791): offset = 1536 action = GFEvent('requestKEYPRESS',chr(event.KeyCode()-offset)) but new one: elif (192 <= event.KeyCode() <= 255): action = GFEvent('requestKEYPRESS',chr(event.KeyCode())) works well for both windows and unix with current tools um thats odd odd? why would the input codes have changed? those in range 1728-1791 looked very strange in range 192-255 looks better for one-byte encoding and chr() deals only with 0-255 range covering most of pre-unicode encoding derek, I'm sorry but you are mistaken.. the only REAL BBQ comes from NC!!! ;-) ra3vat: this is russian support only change right? Mr_You now now jamest: dont you wish you knew :) my dad acquired an awesome BBQ chicken recipe.. drool jamest: should be appropriate for others non-latin1 but I can't test ra3vat: feel free to commit a patch i think you have cvs access right? ok ra3vat: can you also test this on windows? main diff between texas and eastern BBQ, I guess, is that Texas has a bunch of sauce... and eastern is more marinated jamest: i'll do tomorrow and ask others to test also some of us north carolinians are passionate about our BBQ hehe if its pig BBQ and not marinated.. gotta have the Texas Pete handy (a NC hot sauce).... if its chicken marinated rocks enough of my ranting jcater: please take a look at the designer/src/Instance.py (def saveForm) I need something like: fileHandle = open(location,'w') enc = sys.getdefaultencoding() if enc == 'ascii': fileHandle.write('\n\n') else: fileHandle.write('\n\n' % (enc)) ra3vat: have you tested that? does it work? it does not work without that if I have form with non ascii labels for example and "encoding" in xml header ok, committed designer erase "encoding" and then can't load that form again itself problem is that same encodings named differently in different tools (in different places) yeah I'm still not sure how to handle this long term jcater : with a big ugly stick ra3vat you realize you are putting a real cramp on us to not be american biased and we love you for it :) :) chillywilly (~danielb@d84.as20.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. /msg dneighbo I thought we were going to pawn ALL i18n off on ra3vat? :) Action: ra3vat checks kdict for pawn - to pawn one's word, to pawn one's life ra3vat: you a KDE luser? bad ra3vat hehe you know this is valid c syntax? x&=~y yup bit twiddlng stuff yep almost looks like perl :) chillywilly: yeah, i'm a KDE pawn :) derek: new exes aren't going to happen before 6pm unless someone else does it l8r jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: "[x]chat" otay chillywilly (danielb@d84.as20.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds chillywilly (~danielb@d95.as11.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. no good for Intel and HP, Itanium is failing Compaqs stress test ToyMan (~stuq@c5300-2-ip42.albany.thebiz.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). hmm wonder how you do a /part msg man! women just do NOT get it! baaah! get what? anything they do not think rationally trying to explain to wife why you spend more time with us than her again? I don't spend time with your wife :P hehe haha I'd feel sorry for you if you did uuuh nah I got it just as bad I am sure ok, I geta joint checking account right then I put some money in there mena while we put some money in hers to cover bills as we didn;t have checks yet gah she's claling me back ;) run! man she's so friggin lame Action: ajmitch hopes she doesn't read the irc logs I don't care she's being irrational you should! and aillogical illogical phpGroupware is moving from sf to savannah, guess ya'll knew that yeah some women are completely illogical and don't tell you why.. you just have to always keep in your mind what the hidden message is hehe such as "I realized I fudged up but I'm not going to admit it yet, but just bitch" hmmm... i dont think i would want a 'logical' wife Action: Mr_You knows very little about women. hehe dneighbo: why not? a logical wife is no wife at all what? i wouldnt have any fun, man / wife is about complimenatary traits yeah you logic offsets her illogical patterns and vice versa i cant tell you how many times my wife's 'intuition' has saved my butt to me it seemed illogical to just go on a 'feeling' but ill be darned if her feeling wasnt right if you watch old star treks or new ones we laugh at the vulcans logic, but often times look in the mirror and thats us :) hehe now thats not to say illogically behavior cnat be frustrating as hell at times, but imagine how your logical behavior probably enfuriates her :) dneighbo: that's highly illogical well i would say fascinating :) heh man I want to kill her fuck this no you don't why do I even bother to talk to her anymore she says the same shit over and over cos you still love her chillywilly: there's only one way to get along with illogical, irrational women hehe Action: ajmitch checks out gnue cause you keep doing the same wrong thing over and over chillywilly: love them chillywilly: anything else is bound to fail Action: ajmitch guesses GEAS won't run too well on this box ajmitch: what kinda box? reinhard: p100, 16mb ram, GNU/Hurd ;) why not? you should see how slow it is ;) maybe slow but it should run I wish I wa s a hermit if ORBit is compiled for it damn orbit dependency yeah man sucks, my roommate is sorta being played by this girl/friend who he use to date.. everyone knows it cept him chillywilly: get working on removing those dependencies ;) she ain't even given him any he knows whats up I think.. just doesn't care to ditch their friendship ToyMan (~Stuart@c5300-4-ip123.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. nite all reinhard (rm@N801P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est. -- Aurelius Augustinus" Action: chillywilly is away: off to caroline's jcater you are a sick and twisted bastard ms ado drivers... Action: dneighbo shudders at the thought of playing that game :) bbl dneighbo (dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com) left irc: "BitchX: causing all sorts of havok!" derek: yup.. almost done I'm trying to provide an upgrade path for MS customers and ODBC drivers will not support introspection (so designer won't be quite as impressive running via ODBC) but running native against MS Access/SQL Server/FoxPro with full schema discovery that's an upgrade path :) it's part of my world domination fixation fun Action: ajmitch attempts to grab ORBit BTW, maybe we could find someone in spain to represent GNUe at this espania conference (ferget the name, just found out today) hmm sounds like a good vacation to me cool, jcater volunteers ;-) yip IF I can find a benefactor :) and a translator? ;-) "se habla english?" "um, GNUe is, um, grande" "si" hehe lol I can just be like masta and learn the spanish phrase "Yes, it can do that!" GNUe es muy grande por esta enterprise whatever they ask: "Yes, it can do that!" yeah hehe and repeat something like "Try demo here:" you know, someone could just have a bunch of spanish written docs and signs.. and just stand there looking like typical dumb american ;-) lol well they could make your effort and learn phrases like you said tho ;-) Si! basically what I did at LWE/San Fransisco :) (stand there and look like a dumb american :) hehe see thats our secret thats my secret anyways.. let them underestimate us hehe and then... BAM! rofl Users: "Where in the world did this GNUe come from and why am I using it?" Us: "you will learn in time grasshopper" Action: Mr_You has to get wacky to stay sane sometimes. "get wacky" you smokin that wacky weed again? you never know time to cvs chillywilly (danielb@d95.as11.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds I finally got a debian CD image made ;-) time to start customizing one I need to do that which? download cd image ahh rsync is required for that I believe ajmitch (me@p32-max10.dun.ihug.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds ToyMan (Stuart@c5300-4-ip123.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.87) got netsplit. mdean (mdean@mkc-65-28-73-63.kc.rr.com) got netsplit. ra3vat (~ds@195.239.64.87) returned to #gnuenterprise. mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-73-63.kc.rr.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (~me@p7-max10.dun.ihug.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. donde esta los banos jcater_ (~jason@HubA-mcr-24-165-193-222.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. that is 'where is the bathroom' Action: derek eats lots of mexican food :) hehe mas burros por favor =more burritos please jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: el perro del agua me hace a enfermo de la sensación is that get me some water my mouth is on fire please? or something the water dog makes me feel sick mi lengueta esta en el fuego Action: mdean uses babelfish doh thats right was thinking enfermo is fire but thats sick getting french and spanish confused mi lengueta esta en el fuego = my tongue is on fire usually followed by that's a sentence we translated and used while I was in Saudi aqua por favor == water please burrito jalisco jalisco? I dunno :) but it's my favorite dish at the local mexican place jamest (~jamest@fh-dialup-201085.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. could be rat for all I know Nick change: jcater_ -> jcater jcater: wazzup? not much a bug here a bug there did you happen to try a windows build? uggh no I guess I need to reboot into Win98 :( more bugs? not any more it'll be a while before I can do anything got annother quiz to study for and some homework sigh let me know if it works whoops, wrong window hmm.. talking to those chicks in #kdegirlies again #pythonweenies actually :) hrrrm dtm (dtm@m206-221.dsl.tsoft.com) got netsplit. dtm (~dtm@m206-221.dsl.tsoft.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. rofl was that a spontaneous moment of self-reflection, derek? no laughing at whoops, wrong window hmm.. talking to those chicks in #kdegirlies again #pythonweenies actually :) should be #livekdeteens or something #livekdeteens must be a synonym for #debian dtm (dtm@m206-221.dsl.tsoft.com) got netsplit. dtm (~dtm@m206-221.dsl.tsoft.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. stbain (GunAndGiz@cx726805-a.roanoke1.va.home.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) chillywilly (~danielb@d126.as14.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (me@p7-max10.dun.ihug.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds dtm (dtm@m206-221.dsl.tsoft.com) got netsplit. ajmitch (~me@203.173.237.156) joined #gnuenterprise. dtm (~dtm@m206-221.dsl.tsoft.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. Action: chillywilly trout whips jamest for making lyx docs Action: jcater troutslaps chillywilly for troutslapping jamest for making easy to do docs lyx requires non-free software lyx rules should that be acceptable for a GNU project? chillywilly: did he type it on a non-free computer? heh Maniac: you make no fscking sense :) chillywilly: basically, given the time frame we are in, it's either LyX documentation with this release, or no documentation for a while (until we can get some other stinking system in place) pick one :) use docbook then --- Thu Nov 15 2001