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<psu> anyone awake? aj?
<Mr_You> sorta
<psu> ouch 
<psu> starting an all nighter?
<Mr_You> nah
<psu> checking out my cable company's website
<psu> they don't appear to have an unmetered internet service *at all*
<psu> unmetered dial-up is "We regret that registration for this service has now closed. 
<psu> "
<psu> boradband is "real soon now"
<psu> *sigh*
<psu> maybe I should move back to British Telecom
<psu> to be fair
<psu> they do have a WebTV clone
<psu> but I don't think I can use IRC on that 
<psu> </rant>
<Mr_You> don't think so
<psu> All the blurb for their TV-based internet
<psu> is around how controlled it is
<psu> "Our carefully selected, child-safe channels 
<psu> "
<psu> feature companies you already know and trust 
<psu> etc etc
<psu> On IRC, someone might say a rude word ;-)
<Mr_You> no doubt
<ajmitch> hi
<psu> hi aj
<ajmitch> what' up?
<psu> nuttin' mucth
<psu> just emailed the latest KC to Zack
<psu> but he's probably ZZZ at the moment
<ajmitch> ah, kewl
<psu> so probably later today 
<psu> (well, tomorrow for you)
<psu> before it's up
<ajmitch> ppl can review it before it goes to zack? ;)
<ajmitch> dunno if you'd want that, it'd slow it down a bit, but help cut down on any errors
<psu> I can FTP if you're interested
<psu> butt the source code is not wonderful
<ajmitch> ah :)
<psu> messy XML in places
<ajmitch> specail KT format?
<psu> (my fault, not XML)
<psu> yes - <kc version="0.1.0">
<psu> Zack puts it thro' a parser
<ajmitch> ok
<psu> to get the properly formatted page
<psu> but also creates all his indexing & cross-links etc
<ajmitch> cool
<psu> very nifty IMHO
<ajmitch> and gets auto-submitted to sites?
<psu> but then I'm easily impressed
<psu> yep - although las t week that didn't work for some reason
<psu> I had to submit o linuxtoday manually
<ajmitch> i noticed that in the last few days since forms, etc, 0.1.0 release the website traffic has been exceptioanlly high
<psu> when derek pointed it out
<psu> yes - but IRC has been slower
<psu> Thanksgiving, of course
<psu> plus all the key people
<psu> are probably GNUe-ed out 
<psu> after the 0.1.0 release
<ajmitch> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/stats/usage_200111.html
<ajmitch> peaked at about 10x the daily average
<psu> k()()l
<psu> Anybody know of a good article
<psu> that puts the case against M$ XP
<psu> point by point?
<psu> I am likely buying a new computer soon for a relative
<psu> They want to play "standard" PC games
<psu> so I'll have to get them a Win* of some sort
<ajmitch> hmm
<psu> but I'm not comfortable with XP
<psu> need something to browbeat the vendor into 
<psu> selling me ME, 2000 or even 98 instead
<ajmitch> wait a min, i might have summin in my bookmarks
<psu> (Oh yeah, and it'll be twin-bootable into Debian 
<psu> once I've had my wicked way with it)
<ajmitch> heh
<ajmitch> http://www.idg.net/go.cgi?id=569196
<psu> Tried Slashdot, but couldn't find a single good article
<ajmitch> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-6676181.html
<ajmitch> http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,46283,00.html
<psu> thanx
<psu> what I find weird is 
<psu> that M$'s behaviour has been 
<psu> (IMHO) *worse*
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<psu> since the US court cases started
<ajmitch> yep
<ajmitch> they know they can get away with it
<psu> they used to just stiff competitors
<psu> now they seem to stiff their customers as 
<psu> well
<psu> sorta like 
<psu> US Justice Dept "You're a monopoly"
<psu> M$ "Oh, yeah, never really thought of it that way before-
<psu> "bwahahahahahahaah"
<ajmitch> heh
<Mr_You> this "deal" basicly puts a whole bunch of microsoft machines in schools
<ajmitch> most customers just don't *care*
<psu> Or Redhat
<psu> ;-)
<ajmitch> Mr_You: you mean the deal for the private suits?
<psu> aj - until the next Melissa/Love Bug
<psu> imagine one of those linked to m$ Passport
<psu> It's that sort of thing that keeps me off Outlook at home
<psu> even for the Win95 boot side of this PC
<Mr_You> I dunno, something about a bunch of money for machines and M$ products..
<ajmitch> psu: but ppl don't tend to blame MS for it
<Mr_You> I would say they should be able to choose what types of machines
<psu> Microsoft has to "pay" its fine in free computers + s/w (M$ of course)
<ajmitch> psu: i know, i worked with windows machines for 2 years in a computer shop
<Mr_You> just money
<ajmitch> they're meant to be reconditioned computers running MS software - i can imagine win XP on a pII-300 :)
<psu> aj - ultimately it's the virus writers who are at fault
<psu> but the s/w manufacturers have a duty to mitigate
<ajmitch> yes
<ajmitch> most ppl think MS is successful cos their products are the 'best'
Action: psu longs for the day when s/w security will be treated the same as car security
<ajmitch> and a lot of people don't distinguish between windows & the computer
<psu> i.e. not necc the driver for a buying decision 
<psu> but at least an extra tick in the pro-column of features
<ajmitch> i shudder thinking back to some of the problems i had to deal with on windows
<psu> PC = Wintel 
<psu> to most people 
<ajmitch> when i got my first computer in 1997 (yes i'm young :P) it took a whole month before the registry on win95 was fscked ;)
<ajmitch> i've only been using gnu/linux for 3 years
<psu> "Whenever I want to do something mindless to relax, I reinstall Win95"
<psu> can't remember the attribution, buta good quote
<ajmitch> nah, install mandrake ;)
<psu> but that wouldn't be "mindless"
<ajmitch> close enough
<psu> who was it said you could train a chicken to install GNU/Linux?
<psu> i.e. just press RETURN every time
<ajmitch> it's dead easy on 'expert' mode
<ajmitch> with windows you gotta type in a cd key ;)
<nickr> now thats a tricky prospect
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<psu> hi cw
<psu> timely arrival
<psu> we're in the middle 
<psu> of a general anti-M$ rant
<ajmitch> argh!
<ajmitch> run everyone!
<nickr> I'm more in the mood for an anti-idiot rant
<psu> nickr - diff > null
<nickr> nickr: permission denied
<psu> gah
<psu> man nickr
<chillywilly> info nickr
<nickr> No manual entry for nickr
<nickr> No menu item 'nickr' in '(node)top'
<nickr> woop
<nickr> in node '(dir)tp'
<nickr> bah, foiled
<ra3vat> lynx http://www.google.com/search?q=nickr&btnG=Google+Search
<psu> anyway
<psu> bbl
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<ajmitch> hi reinhard
<reinhard> hello ajmitch
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<ajmitch> wb ra3vat
<ra3vat> hello ajmitch
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<ajmitch> hi Isomer
<Isomer> G'evenin'
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<ajmitch> what's up?
<Isomer> hmm
<Isomer> trying to figure out why undernet's channel services are down at the moment
<Isomer> and setting up xchat to autojoin everything
<ajmitch> i've just been trying to find out some marks for uni exams
<ajmitch> ah, ok
<ajmitch> stupid uni server seems to be down
<ajmitch> well, the one with some exam marks anyway
<Isomer> ah
<Isomer> heh
<ajmitch> managed to get marks for 2 of my 4 papers
<ajmitch> programming & physocs
<ajmitch> physics :)
<ajmitch> ping cs-web01.its.otago.ac.nz
<ajmitch> PING its-cs02.its.otago.ac.nz (139.80.64.241) from 203.173.236.115 : 56(84) bytes of data.
<ajmitch> --- its-cs02.its.otago.ac.nz ping statistics ---
<ajmitch> 11 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% loss, time 10038ms
<ajmitch> stupid uni admins
<ajmitch> they shoudl be in working at this hour
<ajmitch> i think it's an NT server anyway, so no surprises :)
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<CoiN_PrO> any one got Enterprise 1x10?
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<ra3vat> hello madlocke
<ra3vat> today is quiet even more
<madlocke> hi... yes, you are right...
<madlocke> derek: you are here?
<derek> im here
<derek> its holiday in the states and why its so quiet
<madlocke> derek: i want to talk a bit about message handling in gnuef...
<madlocke> i think this does not only concern gnuef
<madlocke> for all parts of gnue a massing handling system is required
<madlocke> so i think of a system common to all components
<madlocke> most parts have to be connected to other
<madlocke> as for example driver in gnuef to gnuef itself
<madlocke> as gnuef to geas and ...
<madlocke> is there a document how geas basically das message handling?
<madlocke> are you satisfied in the way geas does it?
<madlocke> das=does ..
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<madlocke> hm... ok maybe wrong # for talking about this ?!?...
<ra3vat> wrong time, i suppose :)
<madlocke> maybe yes :)
<derek> no im not satifisfied with it and tehre is no document
<derek> message handling IMHO should be in GNUe Common
<derek> so that all parts of the system reuse it
<derek> perhaps this is what you are proposing?
<madlocke> yes...
<derek> if so im all for it :)
<madlocke> where there any bigger discussian about this yet that i can find in the logs?
<derek> no i dont think so
<madlocke> ok... then i'll do some work on it and will be back with proposals...
<derek> :)
<mcb30> madlocke: look at gnue-common/doc/GCommSpecifications.txt
<derek> mcb30: that should only concern RPC transport
<derek> not error handling iirc
<derek> perhaps i misinterpreted message handling for error handling?
<derek> if you meant messaging like 'message queuing' stuff then yess look at GComm document
<madlocke> sorry i am on the phone...
<derek> work has started on that
<derek> and fwiw will be working i assume by monday with reports
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<madlocke> back...
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<psu> hi anyone
<psu> Kernel Cousins #4 now out
<psu> http://kt.zork.net/GNUe/gnue20011124_4.html
[13:24] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
<psu> Should have been automagically fwd to linuxtoday
<psu> but I can't see it yet
<psu> I will manually submit it if necessary
<neilt> psu:  excellent!
<psu> thanx
<psu> Even managed to call jcater by the correct name this time...
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<psu> yo cw
<psu> bbl
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<chillywilly> you know I never noticed that psu posts to the free-sklyarov list a lot
<chillywilly> that it is the same guy as our psu
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<chillywilly> heheh
<chillywilly> GNUe KC?
Action: nickr nods
<psu> it's not me on the free-sklyarov list 
<psu> at least, I don't think so
<psu> unless there are mutliple-mes
<psu> since it has already been conclusivly proven that 
<psu> i am cw's non-evil twin ;-)
<psu> i suppose anything's possible
<chillywilly> how has that been proven?
<chillywilly> you read the logs?
<psu> same birthday
<psu> *suspicious*
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<ajmitch> morning all
<neilt> ajmitch: morning
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<fredinho> hello
<fredinho> someone is working with squid proxy?
<Mr_You> why? this is #gnuenterprise
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<Mr_You> heh
<chillywilly> hehe
<Mr_You> *** #gnuenterprise : There isn't a topic.
<ajmitch> ah well
<chillywilly> topic nazis won't let us set it
<ajmitch> heh
<Isomer> hmm
<ajmitch> hi Isomer
<Isomer> mornin'
<chillywilly> how many Isomers of isopropyl alcohol are there?
<chillywilly> ;P
<Isomer> I wouldn't know
<Isomer> and simply don't care
<Isomer> :)
<chillywilly> fej
<chillywilly> feh
<Isomer> hows life on this nice day?
<ajmitch> fine
<ajmitch> chillywilly: btw, i passed physics 
<chillywilly> yipeeee!
<chillywilly> what did you get?
<ajmitch> 81
<chillywilly> cool
<ajmitch> i hope i pass maths..
<chillywilly> math
<chillywilly> there is no need for the 's'
<chillywilly> damnit
<ajmitch> maths, dammit
<ajmitch> when will you learn?
<chillywilly> math punk
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<ajmitch> Isomer: what say you? math or maths?
<Isomer> hmm
Action: Isomer is a "maths" person myself
<Isomer> but then again
<Isomer> I never claimed to know english
<ajmitch> i think 'maths' is the correct term
<ajmitch> since we're not american ;)
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<Isomer> heh
<Isomer> silly 'mercan's
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<chillywilly> anyone home?
<chillywilly> besides ajmitch
<chillywilly> ;P
<Mr_You> whats up?
<chillywilly> oh hey
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