[00:01] Last message repeated 1 time(s). come one come all to see jcZzz the first donut driver AI program!!! ? rdean-away (rdean@chcgil2-ar2-052-243.chcgil2.dsl.gtei.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" colonel: it is a joke....we all claim that jcater is really an AI program and not a real person ;) he codes like a machine :P and he has a donut addiction it is like hsi favorite food s/hsi/his ok ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.46) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds ok, I actually commited somethng so plz don't have a heartattack ;) ppl colonel (arun@202.88.232.184) left irc: "[x]chat" chillywilly (danielb@d22.as20.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: chillywilly (~danielb@d22.as20.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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CLUG meeting starts at 9:30 later all neilt (neilt@dhcp64-134-54-175.chan.dca.wayport.net) left irc: "later all" dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsville5a-64.clvhoh.adelphia.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds jamest (~jamest@fh-dialup-201191.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. rm-away: oddity in using gead geas if you craete a query object query = self._dataConnection.newQuery() query.reverse = CORBA.FALSE that line will segfault the client seems to do it in both my code and neil_methods_test.py i have to run jamest (jamest@fh-dialup-201191.flinthills.com) left irc: Client Quit sevik (~seva@domino-web.kiev.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. bbl ra3vat (ds@195.239.66.36) left irc: "Client Exiting" alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: "[BX] Abort Retry Fail" rdean (~rdean@chcgil2-ar2-052-243.chcgil2.dsl.gtei.net) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: Client Quit rdean (rdean@chcgil2-ar2-052-243.chcgil2.dsl.gtei.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection jcater (~jason@24.92.70.201) joined #gnuenterprise. skeeter (~skeeter@cs666916-91.satx.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: rm-away -> reinhard jamest: i can't get this line to segfault neither with CORBA.TRUE nor with CORBA.FALSE but I am using python 1.5.2 however i think neilt is using 2.x and using neil_methods_test.py and it worked for him psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (~ds@195.239.64.56) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hi ra3vat looks like it's Europeans only at the moment hello psu ra3vat - seems to be a lot of E. Europe interest in GNUe more so than Western Europe Any reason you can think of for that? (Or is it just the good noises the guys make about l18n? how do you come to this conclusion? about the interest? I see Derek & the others mention quite a lot of eastern european users/developers on IRC and elsewhere seems to be more than Western Europe Of course, I could be wrong psu: i think its a 'reality' thing derek!!!! is Derek an european? russian? linux as a whole is most widely adopted in eastern europe, asia and south america I de-lurked Derek ;-) and it most has to do with economics psu: you're very good at that ;-) as windows vs linux is about more than software ever get a windows 95 box to do something useful on a 486 w/ 32mb ram? probably not, but i have seen many a mail server etc run linux under this :) also when you look at linux an l18n as a whole i think its better than windows especially psu: without modification it is not suitable for eastern users Maniac (~darryl@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) joined #gnuenterprise. as why would m$ put a lot of money towards making windows optimized for a region in which 90% of its users are using pirated copies :) ra3vat - given the US/Western Europe biases of most ERP, I think that's true of most packages thast just my opinion of course but i would say for GNUe specifically its a cost thing people can 'pirate' windows but of course with GNU/GNUe, you can adjust it to fit its a lot harder to pirate something like SAP, peoplesoft etc (look who I'm talkin to - you know that, I know) because you cant 'pirate' the consultants :) derek - yes as many countries are developing and starting to get computer in the core of their businesses they are needing something ERP is never cheap to put in even using GNUe like in Soviet Union i imagine (owning a business) outside of the govt wasnt real common until recently but a free (in both senses) app is a much better starting point now that commerce is opening up there people need solutions I remember someone once saying that if the spreadsheet had been invented 10 years earlier and had been widespread in former Soviet Union that the collapse of communism wouldn't have happened i.e. spreadsheet was finally a tool that might (just might) have made central planned economy workable (I think this was a bit tounge-in -cheek) what is your take ra3vat why do you have interest in gnue vs say something propertairy or on windows and why do you think enough interest in your area is warranting a list :) i.e. what are the other developers motivations as you see them in russia for something like gnue heck if we are asking you good questions, id rather know are computers common in house holds there, is the internet? people who have computers do they use windows, linux? if they use windows is it 'paid for'? Action: derek is curious how other environments are :) hehe this is logged he might not want to say :) true no pressure, just curious as it helps paint the 'world' picture for something like gnue Action: ra3vat thanks M$ for it did not invent spreadsheet too early as here people are starting to 'accept linux' but what i hear over and over (and there is truth too it) is that its hard to step out of their current investments, even if they want to if i have 1000 windows desktops and windwos servers with applications of which are not 'directly' available on linux that is a BIG thing to switch, just to use free software i.e. it wouldnt make a lot of sense unless there was a MASSIVE productivity problem or unless i was getting bled to upgrade as it means considerable work actually changing things and then training users and making sure thwings work wetc etc etc Which is why the current licensing changes for M$ are causing such ructions but in countries that hvae nothing there is nothing to 'replace' so this argument doesnt exist i.e. i dont think you woul dhave trouble getting linux in any business currently in the states linux may be free, but so is M$ if the license fees are already a "sunk cost" that didnt have 'something' already psu: exactly Action: psu wonders if he can stop accounting-speak and one could argue reboots etc are 'drains in time' but not so much so to offset retraining, deploying etc of a whole new system so until its a 'force' to upgrade of significant cost its hard to deter from current owned 'sunk' costs using words like "sunk cost" on a Saturday - eek computers is very common in business, govt and come to the home users continously gotta watch myself well i must run to grammys for real now Action: derek is away: 'at grammys house' for a long time no one cares about licences for proprietary software ra3vat - I would guess organisations like FAST (Federation Against Software Theft) the problem here that windows and unix have different charset encoding by default have no real equivalent in your part of the world It works here I think s/have/used to have And MS is enough aggressive with pirates They just cant catch everyone at the same moment :) So they do some steps I suppose the authentication in XP is the ultimate anti-piracy device Like taking in court hardware assembling companies in moscow as they preinstall windows on new computers or would be, if the pirates hadn't already worked out how to crack it ;-) ra3vat - OEM piracy is almost unheard of here (here = UK) main problems are small to medium (and some large) organisations who have N licenses I think at the moment they do not care about individuals but have N+M installs either deliberately, or just because no-one has correct records They target big OEM, corporations, banks and then resellers of CD's, game clubs and so Nick change: chillywilly_ -> chillywilly Some big OEM started to install linux on new assembled computers but everyone understand that on the end user site tons of the proprietery packages will be installed It's interesting because a lot of UK computer sellers will sell you a system with no O/S at all Problem is that 90% of these probably go to people nice who have an M$ CD they can beg/borrow/steal Only 10% are penguinheads & other psu: common practice I saw - whatever N+M use have take 1 license just to be on the shelf :) people with a legitimate reason for wanting a pre-installed O/S gnuheads is a better term ;) s/wanting/not wanting Nick change: chillywilly -> gnuhead GNU/penguinheads, surely? ;-) well I think say in the next year or so the Hurd will be usable with a better microkernel :P psu: it is say for bank with 50 computers Nick change: gnuhead -> chillywilly 50 computers = 50 installs = 1 license not good And if that computer is not in restricted environment with custom application but average desktop it would surely have a bunch of Corel Draw, Adobe PhotoShop, you name it applications reinhard (rm@62.47.45.239) left irc: "Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig likes it" ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.56) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds bbl psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise. Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (~ds@195.239.64.103) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat hi Hello Yurik so no one had a heart attack when they saw my name on the commit list ;)? maybe they did and that's why noone's here ;-) mdean! Maniac!! had my work christmas party yesturday.... only two people got hauled to jail this year! were you one of them? negative :) so you escaped unscathed.... yup so it's a good day :) I'm writing docs for the e-mail gateway gasp!@ are you using lyx? of course! tried the latest KLyX, but it comes up with a black screen on my system KLyX would be better to use in more ways than 5 lol welll apart from the whole libx forms whatever the interface does look dated forms sucks mucho much I don't think I've ever used a xforms app where I liked the interface no mmm pizza in one hand, baby in the other and balancing a cup of cofee on my lap disaster waiting to happen Action: Maniac scotchguards the keyboard you are talented or just stupid does anyone here know how to configure kate to not ruin all my python code? you mean keep tabs? sure go to Configure..Editor..Indent i get indenyation errors all the time but it looks ok I have Auto Indent, Backspace Key Indents, and Tab Key Indents on all else is off then i pull up in mcedit and not ok hmmm go to Edit options, make sure Replace tabs with spaces is off I also turned on Show tabs and editing PHP files seems to keep all my tabs hunky dory ok that might have been it php... yuk! :) don't use cforge? 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I want to stop using cforge ah Kate is the best substitute yet not free anf all that rot> ? ja plus Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left #gnuenterprise. it has a bug with keyboard navigation intermittently, it will ignore arrow keys and home/insert/delete/end very frustrating and it's not Free can you set tab size? in Kate? yup same place you turned off replace tabs with spaces I hate everyone's default of 8 yeeesh ja, 4 4 is right out! eh? i think webware coding std is 8 Monty Python? yuck 8 is too much lost space 3 is the minimum, but anymore than 4 is wasteful especially on a console did I mention the e-mail gateway kicks ass? um ? did u? ok kate seems 2b ok in any event, it does ;-) cool email gateway was common feature request need a release and press announcment possibly some public appearances we need to get to write the foreword for a book or somthing.... get you even using lyx with xforms is baaaaaaaaaaad Action: chillywilly waits as gnome 2.0 compiles the best damn editor for coding is emacs bah! too much curve in that learning it is worth it hmmm that could be said of a lot of *NIX type things emacs is no worse than vim in learning curvage guess I could just use viper in emacs.... that's sacreligious ;) I already know vim bindings tho... well I used to hate emacs until I made myself use it for a while then it grew on me I would use it if I could get php-mode to work the way I want it to and now I cna use vim and emacs! can weeee! php? what do we need that for when you got psp and webware ;) j/k I would *love* to migrate now, but too many commitments :-( start on the path to GNUe... yea... the path to enlightenment ;) enlightenment sure is perty... chillywilly_ (~danielb@d81.as15.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@d31.as9.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds Nick change: chillywilly_ -> chillywilly Action: chillywilly is away: lunch Action: jcater is away: store Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. re Action: jcater is back (gone 00:29:57) neilt (~neilt@dhcp64-134-54-175.chan.dca.wayport.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. 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'sup j-ster? i'm segfaulting geas groooovy do I get a star sticker? what OS ? yep linux wow k.... at least you are an equal-opportunity OS segfaulter you're surprised that GEAS segfaults? can you run it with higher debuggin output? I'm not I'm running it at 10 i think it may be cause I'm passing it an empty query object maybe still tracing issue what causes the exception? oh nevermind I tried to use it Action: jamest hopes thats descriptive enough :) well I'm not even sure how the query junk works it lets you query objects right? that's my understanding oh yea query.idl doh you're supposed to geta list of objects right? nevermind I see how it wokrs you don't use the query directly do you? i use executeQuery as I was told to uhuh I think the geas interface sucks ;P jamest: you have unchecked in code that you are playing with? yes oh Sacha_ (~sacha@203.190.196.9) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). jbailey (~jbailey@Toronto-HSE-ppp3639630.sympatico.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. hi jbailey jeff! Hey'all! Action: jcater is away: light show Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@d81.as15.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds chillywilly (~danielb@d81.as15.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: Ping timeout: 194 seconds Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: jcater is back (gone 01:41:32) crap look what the cat drug in make it take it outside plz :P you shoudl apologise chillywilly don't be so nasty to the AI haha mmm I have fresh donuts :) dude your heart is going to be clogged with donut fat mmm you need help at least he'll die happy :) yip as opposed to not dying at all? 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Nick change: chillywilly_ -> chillywilly geez... you enjoying that troutslapping a little *too* much, chilly? nope you need help I'm not the one so obssessed that I programmed the bot to trout slap :P Action: chillywilly trout slap jcater so he doesn't forget what it is like oooooh Action: chillywilly compiles gnome 2.0 platform again chillywilly (danielb@d81.as15.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) chillywilly_ (~danielb@d81.as15.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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