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Action: derek is back (gone 11:49:50) Isomer (dahoose@210-86-56-90.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds Action: derek is away: pizza hound ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.103) left irc: "[x]chat" Isomer (dahoose@210-86-56-90.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: "Client Exiting" psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. l o g'evenin' heya good morning hi all hi aj what's up? not much with me man i need to reboot soon The latest KC is with Zack Should be up soon memory management is sooo broken with this kernel got 384MB ram, 300MB used in buffers, 360MB in swap aj - not good and there was derek last night what about derek? telling us to use linux to make 486 /32MB usuable again as mail servers if nothing else But then he was presumably suggesting using a stable distro is part of your problem that you can't resist the latest kernel? heh am running 2.4.14 here upgarde to 2.4.16 Isomer (dahoose@210-86-56-90.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection hey ajmitchie gtk+ compiles now that's cool make[3]: Entering directory `/opt/gnome-head/head/cvs/libbonobo/samples/echo' make[3]: *** No rule to make target `Bonobo_Sample_Echo.server.in', needed by `Bonobo_Sample_Echo.server'. Stop. make[3]: Leaving directory `/opt/gnome-head/head/cvs/libbonobo/samples/echo' ack i probably got it in the middle of a cvs update :) psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise. i should install 2.5.1-pre8 Isomer (dahoose@210-86-56-90.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. hi Isomer g'evenin' Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds Sacha (~sacha@203.190.196.9) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: Sacha -> SachaS Action: chillywilly is away: sleep madlocke (madlocke@pD95233E3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi madlocke hi ajmitch... Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. neilt (~neilt@dhcp64-134-54-175.chan.dca.wayport.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. 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See you later. doh im off to church too was gonna ask you if you knew bradley kuhn from cleveland lug Probably, I'm the tressurer he is vice president of free software foundation now but at one time i think he was pretty active with that user group skeeter (~skeeter@cs666916-91.satx.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. time for me to run to church, bbl derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "um my gnue tree is bigger than your gnue tree" rdean (rdean@chcgil2-ar2-052-243.chcgil2.dsl.gtei.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds Sacha (sacha@203.190.196.79) left irc: Killed (NickServ (Nickname Enforcement)) Sacha (~sacha@203.190.196.79) joined #gnuenterprise. Sacha (sacha@203.190.196.79) left irc: Killed (NickServ (Nickname Enforcement)) Sacha_ (~sacha@203.190.196.79) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@24.92.70.201) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: Ping timeout: 182 seconds neilt (neilt@dhcp64-134-54-175.chan.dca.wayport.net) left irc: "later all" Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. Maniac (darryl@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. Maniac (~darryl@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (~ds@195.239.64.98) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all mpav (mpav@12.239.152.113) left irc: "Client Exiting" Heloooooo derek ra3vat hi hello Yurik jack-e (nobody@pD950F3F0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hello jack-e i just tried to build geas from cvs with gentoo-linux and python2.1 .. and it fails while make with /bin/ld: cannot find -lpython2.1 hi ra3vat :9 has anyone had similar problems with building geas ?? I'm new tow gnue .. i did not try geas for last time. Probably reinhard or neilt will be able to answer that question when they come and read the log jack-e: cvs? should i try 0.0.6 ?? I'm mainly interested in the work that is done in python .. Forms/Common/Designer/Reports .. but i shurly want to see and understand what geas does .. Action: dsmith heads out to a family reunion/christmas party jack-e: everythings in forms/designer/common can work without geas I think i understood the concept so far (this would be 2-tier) .. jack-e: yes, 2-tier is more ready for this time to play with ahh ok .. one question on gnue-common: is there an object->relational mechanism that automatically generates the insert/update/delete queries when the DataObject's are used from Forms ?? I come from Zope-Land and used PyDO recently .. so can anyone in here compare these ?? with gnue-common ?? I think gnue-common is not a replacement for PyDO I'm not familiar with either we have some webware web integration in the works i've heard of that, but i'm not familar with webware :) webware.sf.net oh cool new release of webware is ot ot [15:09] Last message repeated 1 time(s). damn ! uu so how do i connect these objects to my data (how is it organized) in my sql-db ??? do i need to write sql or is it done automagically ?? if you would like to create screens/forms for your data, just create some GNUe Forms and load them into GNUe Forms client with the proper config it is done "automagically" ok .. and the system chooses a way to store this data in my sql-db .. are tables generated as well ?? if you already have SQL tables and data you can create a 2-tier GNUe application by just creating an GNUe Form (which uses XML format) using a text editor or GNUe Designer fine :)) .. I had a good time with PyDO and wxPython .. but it is not enough .. I really need to dive into gnue :)) jack-e: you definitely need to talk with jcater as he is the author of gnue-common and familiar with PyDO PyRO and all the such things is anyone familiar with the development of Report ?? is he online during the week ?? most of the time eventually GNU Enterprise Application Server (GEAS) will be used to carry n-tier designs and additional back-end functionality I wrote a layout engine based on reportlab that uses xml for content and pagetemplate to produce pdf. I'm not sure who is Reports core developer sounds excellent jack! port it to GNUe ;-) am i right that it could be very usefull contributing this as backend for report ?? :) my first thought :) you are correct sir! ;-) jack-e: database generates automatically only by geas after you provide object definition in .gcd files so geas is definitly of interest .. Reports was done by jcater oh, so he needs object definition files and XML forms? or for reports? so now i really need to play a bit with this stuff .. be back later :) yeah me too heh jcater is online all the time there will be more questions i think .. first need to have a closer look on gnue :) geas does not require forms or reports python debs have been updated in woody from v1.5.2 to v2.1.1 Action: Yurik is back neilt (~neilt@dhcp64-134-54-175.chan.dca.wayport.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. ok .. now i've got geas compiled .. and configured .. but it complains at startup: Failed to connect to MySQL database test_mysql. ** ERROR **: file compare.c: line 496 (compare_classes_to_database): assertion failed: (database != NULL) i think i configured mysql right .. but i didn't create any tables . Remosi (~isomer@210-86-56-222.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. jack-e: you need to edit geas.conf file in gnue/geas/src or whereever you installed it and tell it the mySQL db anduser names neilt: i changed the active db to mysql and created the database and user in mysql. anything else to do ?? did you edit geas.conf? yes i set the mysql to active, deactivated pgsql, set the socket to /tmp/mysql.sock (where it lives on my system) did you start mySQL server? yes ;-) i use mysql from commandline to create the user and the db ... so it should be running :) jack-e: do you use debug option when start geas? geas-server -v ... how do i debug ?? # control debugging output debuglevel off # controls output to screen - debugfile above always gets full detail in geas.conf make it mompl debuglevel 10 or debuglevel 9 hmpf .. no debuging support compiled in .. need to recompile .. any options that i also need ?? --enable-debug yup .. just a moment .. you set dbname and username in geas.conf right? hmm i created a db "gnue" and a user "gnue" with no password .. and left the entries in geas.conf .. i have no shadowpw file ... do i need it ? my copy has dbname gnue username hacker do you have a shadowpw file and where ?? if your user is gnue then you need to change that? nope i dont use mysql hmm ... i added the user "gnue" to the mysql-user-reg. .. i can connect with mysql -u gnue gnue not using a password .. i've been told that real users use postgreSQL :) did you set the username in geas.conf to gnue? yep .. is default strange, not in my copy i basically prefer sapdb .. but there is not yet support for it .. [ database test_mysql ] active true type MySQL dbname gnue username gnue hostname localhost unixsocket /tmp/mysqld.sock we have sapdb support for 2 tier port 0 connections 1 cool i know :)) and i probably will volunteer writing the missing parts .. i have done this for PyDO and think i can reuse much of database inspection-code for this driver .. we are planning on migrating db support in geas to use common ahh :)))))) so we dont have to maintain 2 drivers for each db sounds good if you wanted to work on that, it would be a big help i'm completly new to gnue but i have done lots of work with sapdb-python, pydo and wxpython .. excellent so i first need to find my way into :) happy to have you around jamest is currently rewritting geas <-> forms driver as we speak then we will start the migration to common thanks .. i worked on a contact/warhouse-tool with pydo/wxpython and reportlab and when hitting half way i found out that gnue is heavily based on python (my only favourite language) cool everybody loves a python :) this was yesterday ... so i need to find out if i can do my work easier with gnue than with my home-grown framework .. let's see .. if not, be sure to let us know any shortcomings you find i have a xml-to-pdf lib with reportlab that i could try to connect to gnue-reports .. wich is missing afaik in report right now .. but start things slowly ... :) ok then i will first try to use gnue in 2-tier and wait till the database things are cleaned up in geas .. thanks for your infos .. your welcome neilt (neilt@dhcp64-134-54-175.chan.dca.wayport.net) left irc: "later all" ajmitch (me@p34-max1.dun.ihug.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout: 182 seconds ajmitch (~me@p34-max1.dun.ihug.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. jack-e: you here? jep is there support in PyDO for other db except for mysql and postgresql? i wrote an adapter for sapdb and oracle is supported by default with DCOracle2 my pydosapdb is not released yet but well tested ... are we talking about PyDO that is included into skunkweb? jepp i have not yet tried skunkweb .. i only use pydo for easy data access to sapdb :) ok i had some problem with pydo, seems I now know where to ask :) what do you use pydo for ?? just small examples nothing more i find pydo very usefull .. the best is the genscript .. that creates all objects with relations form your db yes, i'll look at my examples again in a next few days not able to test it now Sacha_ (sacha@203.190.196.79) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds so .. i'm off .. cu later this week ... bye jack-e (nobody@pD950F3F0.dip.t-dialin.net) left #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (~danielb@d94.as28.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: chillywilly the trout gustoppo whips all lurkers into submission with an array of fishies mdean (mdean@mkc-65-28-73-63.kc.rr.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" Action: jcater is away: food hmm Action: Remosi reads more humour by MS heh they're listing the pros and cons for XP embedded vs Linux oh? http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/embedded/xp/evaluation/compare/notlinux.asp just love the neutrality of the URL for starts hehe a truly unbiased comparison and the fact that MS supports things like "LDAP" but apparently it's not mentioned that linux does too :) what do they mean by embedded? 1ghz cpu & 512mb ram? and so of er and so on ajmitch: I have no idea I just thought it was funny i love this bit about no IDE ;) it's classic Windows has WinSock (which derives from BSD Sockets) but apparently linux doesn't have anything like that hehe talking about having to license a browser heh they obviously haven't seen mozilla, or konq/e apparently not ;) plus gstreamer is designed for embedded systems, it's sponsored by ridgerun ;) (multimedia framework) Action: Remosi does a search on ms.com for "Linux" Action: Remosi has to find more humour I love the "you must buy a commercial toolchain for linux" forgetting that you'd not only should you be using GCC, but you have to buy Visual Studio anyway :) hehe how about the size comparisons? oh yeah that was entertaining hm this is funny "Malformed packet from linux RPC client can cause Win2k to BSOD" hehe because we all know that Linux causes windows to BSOD posted that link in #dunlug irc channel, tis a good laugh :) you should visit #dunlug sometime (well, when there's a few people around) we've got #wlug on undernet not overly stimulating conversation but we've got it hmm goto www.microsoft.com and search for "Linux" they've got lots of "How to compete with linux" guides for people heh LOL that's funny shit my god man but they require a passport:/ they just don't spread FUD, they just outright lie yeah of course this is funny I especially liked their NT vs Sun where they state that 30 NT servers are more reliable than a single Sun box rofl hehe rdean (rdean@chcgil2-ar2-052-243.chcgil2.dsl.gtei.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Action: chillywilly waits as masta's fav desktop compiles.... ;) you guys don't mind if I port GEAS to ORBit2 abd glib 2.0 do you? ;) Action: Remosi doesn't mind :) if I get a gnome 2.0 development build done here that just may happen :P muuwwwwahahahahahha how far thru it are you? libbonoboui right sure does suck up the disk space i know the partition i'm building on currently has 850mb free I am putting it in /gnome yeah /dev/hda2 3336720 2862004 474716 86% / /gnome is a symlink for me eeek 400MB and decreasing :( i've built this before, so it's just overwriting files Action: chillywilly is going to have to getns going so he can use the partitions on his server nfs hopefully it will fit and I can move it elsewhere ;) Action: chillywilly has a /gnu partition on there which there's no hurd install so maybe I cna use that heh well I was going to install the hurd i had a couple of them i had 2 hurd installs revived one, wiped the other but I'd rather have a hurd work station than a server I had one on here before well i'm getting another computer today, i should go up to my mate's place now :) that ldap translator project looks like it would be cool from your mate? gotta find his phone number first... yes old computer probably a 46 486 k 486? k better than a no 86 ;P anyone know ldap? nope er I'd claim not to did they ever compile that list of translators? but others may disagree that would be cool to implement ah, got his number.. ldap translator hmm rdean (rdean@chcgil2-ar2-052-243.chcgil2.dsl.gtei.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" btw, ajmitch scrappy needs to use Gnome 2 stuff ;) I was thinking about that this morning but that may be due to an overdose of ldap recently what is ldap commonly used for? authentication? er hmm lightweight directory access protocol....sounds like auth to me it is used for authentication but thats only a small part of what it does k chillywilly: i know that chillywilly: it was always planned to ajmitch: I know you said it before it's like an database oooh hmmm optimised to hold information about people, machines, hosts, IP's etc Action: chillywilly ponders what a postgres translator would do in a readonly manner or any database translator for that matter it would be funcky cd /postgres/host/database/table/primary/key/{field1,field2} funky even just seems so cool to have your own extensible VFS right in the OS ;) Hurd is so groovy that way the Hurd :P my bad *the* Hurd the GNU/Hurd ;) the GNU Hurd the GNU system if referring to just the Hurd GNU whatever man semantics, schemantics heh Linux just wants to be more and more Hurd-like yes but they can't have our drugs :P heh Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery [22:23:11] --- Topic for #hurd is Rule #1: no trading drugs with linux people | Rule #2: Only take drugs compatible with POSIX 1003.1-2001 | for jabber people, groupschat is hurd@conference.jabber.org [22:23:11] --- Topic for #hurd set by Jeroen at Sat Dec 8 16:33:43 hehe I love that topic heheh Action: chillywilly watched v-b-s pull gnome-core from cvs watches hmmmmmm should I use GNU Common C++'s refernce couting template? that is the question ;) your choice reference counting you rewriting GEAS in C++? I got another one I borrowed off the net no implementing strategy pattern in GSim if you do reference counting on the Strategy object then it can delete itself when there are no more references to it I don't think I like either of these templates Action: chillywilly would rather have AddRef() and Release() methods than operator++, operator--, and ptrDetach()