hmm, it doesn't work for me. Action: chillywilly doesn't want a dcl account chillywilly: you are a wise man :) yay nickr: what doesnt work? I am not in there http://www.gnuenterprise.org/dclgw/ tries to auto refresh to an https: ah,. so if you are using a broswer that doesnt support ssl that could be the issue chillywilly: why don't you want one? ;) it is an issue, yes ajmitch he knows it means i will start chaining him to the furniture again hehe maybe it should say something like 'redirecting to SSL blah blah blah' :) nickr: thats too intuitive you've got to keep the users guessing suppose the more correct thing is to give out the url as https://www.gnuenterprise.org/dclgw/ Nick change: mdean -> Zdean no! never sleep is for the weak and uncaffienated time for bed ;) yea heh time to mail my patch ;) zzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzz bah lazy ppl hhah fooled you dres (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds Rafterman (tim@lister.sesgroup.net) left irc: "[x]chat" night for real chillywilly (danielb@d178.as29.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: k yeah he better get some rest he has a dcl account now ;) queue ominous music er, que rather er cue rather hrm ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.43) left irc: "[x]chat" psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 187 seconds whooo hooo have my inbox down to 30 mails only took 2 hours psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. hello psu yo psu hi masta is up late yeah psu: believe it or not i used to ALWAYS be up this late bout time reinhard comes in is when i woudl go to bed just got out of the habit lately i've been up till about 3 or 4am most nights, sometimes 7 or 8am Action: psu is keeping fairly sensible hours at the moment big project at work is still at the Statement of User Requirements stage ah i'm trying to finish a project at work this week :) shame I can't "bank" some sleep for the pre-go live rush ;-) psu: whatever it is send those requirements over this way :) Actually, GNUe Integrator might be nifty for my interfaces but I've got to stop mentioning Integrator or I'll end up writing the spec for it ;-) ? rolf I have a 4-page list of actual and possible interfaces into the finance system hopefully many will go away with a more integrated system but still lots to do most bizarre one is probably the interface from the crematorium MIS to Accounts Receivable to send sales invoices to Funeral Directors heh freaky Action: ajmitch knows a few funeral directors :) Not sure how much credit control you can do with those invoices parent's main business is making coffins It's not like, "If you don't pay, we dig him up..." aj - I'm sure you've heard *all* the jokes... it's more "If you don't pay, you join him..." psu: quite a few thats ok... at the county this bio firm approached out 'county health system' and our 'medical examiner' (read coroner) they were willing to pay 50k for 'heads' for 'research' since we get lots of jane/john doe's this would have been a VERY lucrative revenue stream for us board damn near passed it heh Action: psu feels a Dilbert "headcount" joke coming on so early in the morning, too *whimper* early? UTC rox Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. re i might not be in bed at 7:20am tho, that's not early :) Sacha (~sacha@203.190.196.46) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: Sacha -> SachaS ah,nowit works ajmitch have you talked to andrew murie at all since he left? nope, haven't seen him around after an hour downloading the newer mozilla bleh derek: you heard from him at all? SachaS (sacha@203.190.196.46) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds nope not for LONG time was just curious I believe Reinhard & neilt have an emergency e-mail contact alright i have no idea what he's doing now, do you know his email address? but probably don't want to abuse it too much ah right he probably wants to recover from the #gnuenterprise trauma ;) although he seemed to cause a lot of it... http://kt.zork.net/GNUe/gnue20011110_2.html#14 is the ref psu: a pity i'm not allowed to use the irc nick 'andrewm' ;) andrew was probably not as loose with his nickserv p/w as chillywilly... anyway i know Nick change: ajmitch -> andrewm Nick change: psu -> notandrewm Nick change: notandrewm -> psu it's not a nickserv problem, but wanting to avoid unnecessary trauma ;) Nick change: andrewm -> ajmitch bbl psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise. i hate crappy net connections derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds SachaS (~sacha@203.190.196.81) joined #gnuenterprise. ajmitch_ (ajmitch@p42-max4.dun.ihug.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds ajmitch (me@p42-max4.dun.ihug.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds derek (~derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (~me@p57-max6.dun.ihug.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~rm@N816P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. doh reinhard is here it must really be bed time Hi derek. Does somebody from gnue go to the FOSDEM (European) Open Source and Free Software Meeting 16th/17th February 2002? yes it really is SachaS: i dont know of anyone going reinhard would be the logical choice www.fosdem.org for further infos. Even not developer I just registered to go there :) cool. derek: next year i will do a masters by thesis in computer science. derek: my area will be ebXML derek: and there is no fun without a ERP system. Thats why I hang around here. derek: I will hopefully meet Reinhard in February in Austria to get an in depth view of gnue and geas :) would be cool to get into gnue. i am seriously considering to go especially because it's a weekend and because i love brussel :) reinhard: i would like to join you. SachaS: if we meet before we can talk about that reinhard: yesterday i saw documentation in the geas cvs directory and will read them. reinhard: ok. i will be in Liechtenstein 3rd of February and can come to your place around then. k Maniac (darryl@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds Maniac (~darryl@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Maniac (darryl@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 184 seconds Maniac (~darryl@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) joined #gnuenterprise. egads its bed time Action: derek is away: zzzz Isomer (dahoose@210-86-56-90.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection Isomer (dahoose@210-86-56-90.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds derek (~derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (~ds@195.239.66.35) joined #gnuenterprise. derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds derek (~derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: alexey_ -> alexey ra3vat (ds@195.239.66.35) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ajmitch_ (~ajmitch@p57-max6.dun.ihug.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. neilt (~neilt@dhcp64-134-54-175.chan.dca.wayport.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. ra3vat (~ds@195.239.66.33) joined #gnuenterprise. good mornin all hi neilt hey aj, you up a bit late today only 11pm ah ok, i thought it was 3 am guess not nah, not yet :) does nz have multiple time zones? nope well, chatham islands are in NZ_CHAT i think that's like 30 min ahead or something stupid but we're 13 hours ahead of UTC during daylight savings :) cool derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds so what have you been working on lately? neilt (neilt@dhcp64-134-54-175.chan.dca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection neilt (~neilt@dhcp64-134-54-175.chan.dca.wayport.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. ajmitch: not much, i've taken a new job and not being used to working it has taken a lot of time :) ah ok :) ra3vat (ds@195.239.66.33) left irc: "Client Exiting" ra3vat (~ds@195.239.66.33) joined #gnuenterprise. j/k i have taken a new job later all bye neilt (neilt@dhcp64-134-54-175.chan.dca.wayport.net) left irc: "later all" SachaS (sacha@203.190.196.81) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds SachaS (~sacha@203.190.196.91) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (ds@195.239.66.33) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds ToyMan (~stuq@c5300-3-ip137.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. sevik (seva@domino-web.kiev.ua) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. good day morning jamest alexey (alex@ns.techkran.vladimir.ru) left irc: "[x]chat" jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. morning he lives :) sorta dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsville5a-64.clvhoh.adelphia.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. bigbrother joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (~ds@195.239.64.143) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@209.81.167.28) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all ra3vat hi derek (~derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. derek hi my connection isnt playing nice hi Yurik jbailey (~jbailey@Toronto-HSE-ppp3639940.sympatico.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "um my gnue tree is bigger than your gnue tree" Action: pattieja is back (gone 16:06:39) SachaS (sacha@203.190.196.91) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds sevik (~seva@domino-web.kiev.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Access just dumped again dood we have got to get you fixed up how far are you from jacob javits center? like sooner than later.. 110 miles hmmm is there a subway that makes it a decent trip? due norh amtrack stops @ Rhinecliffe, 8 mins from my house ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.143) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds jbailey (jbailey@Toronto-HSE-ppp3639940.sympatico.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) dsmith (dsmith@209.81.167.28) left irc: "later.." jbailey (~jbailey@Toronto-HSE-ppp3641419.sympatico.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. jack-e (nobody@pD950F5F1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all g'mornin' hey still not running for the hills i see hows the sapdb driver working out? hi james :) puh .. just came back from service-dates out of office .. so i had not much time to play around with gnue .. no i got a warm cup of coffee in cooold germany .. so things're getting better :)) jack-e: you are from germany? yep .. you're from austria .. eh ?? yes servus saw you in the contributors list of gnue .. :) grüazi .) lol that would be swizerland :) jaja what part of germany munich .. oh cool jamest: i will investigate the common dbdriver concept and try to bring in some ideas for field-conversion (date/long/...) that i find are missing .. jamest: first i'll need to test sapdb-driver and then i'll have a closer look on dbdriver's concept reinhard: so where are you from in östereich ?? Vorarlberg - Lustenau ok .. reinhard: so what part of gnue are you working on mostly ?? ra3vat (~ds@195.239.64.68) joined #gnuenterprise. geas application server :))))) so you work on integration of gnue-common into geas ???? well currently that isn't yet being worked on and when we start i guess i will do that together with jamest/jcater but i guess you know the problem we europeans are facing now wrt 1.1.2002 :) especially we european it consultants :) :) i'm very interested in using 3-tier mode of gnue .. but i only do python-programming these days (have done c years ago) .. so i won't be able to help very much in this case .. Sie hassen der meister, weil ich bin so leistungsfa"hig dneighbo: give it up :) hmmm .... ???? <|darks|> dneighbo: we don't understand your babelfish german :)) |darks| its not babelfish per say maybe thats the problem :) his english isn't much better <|darks|> *lol* jcater true maybe :) [11:04] Last message repeated 1 time(s). du hast der meister? instead of sie hassen damn english-german dictionary isnt very good du haßt your language is 'difficult' to translate same word means 45 different things :) what is sie hassen then? <|darks|> they hate .. ah so sie hassen der meister would be they had the master right? so "GNUe" is a german term? 'cause it means 45 different things no swedish actually or swiss dialect <|darks|> noe sie hatten den meister would be they hate their master :) for "enough" ah <|darks|> aeh s/hatten/hassen :P |darks| ok, the dictionary doesnt talk about 'tense' really and grammer :) <|darks|> i shoild stop looking a dneighbo'r german lessions .. confuses me :) rofl i would love to learn german, but trying in here is difficult i dont know how some of the folks that barely speak english keep up using a dictionary german just looks 'cooler' and it comes in 'blue' :) ?? you have all the cool symbol on your character set ;) :) you mean äöüß ?? it comes in blue! rock! i knew that would sell jamest :) Action: jamest needs to learn how to misspell stuff in german too misspelling isn't that hard :) dneighbo: I have a phrase book here to help me with my German. That way I at least have example sentences to look at. alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: Client Quit the first netsplit is free after that its 50 a hit argh something is foul in denmarke how do find time linux box and how do you change it IF you arent able to use ntp hwclock i.e. evil bastards block everythign so you cant get crap done hwclock sets hardware clock right? yep jcater: what version dcl you running? you can set the system clock from the hardware clock, or the hardware clock from the system clock mine seems to have gone rouge on me here :( um they bought into it big time here I'm attempting to install GNUe but now its not showing some items i.e. the workorder exists a July version but it its not coming up in a report at first i thought it was because account wasnt set, but that didnt fix then noticed the date for created on was like 2 years in the future? but my system clock isnt two years in the future :( Action: dneighbo needs to upgrade pretty badly im running from before july im sure 07292001 to be exact i guess SachaS (sacha@203.190.196.248) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds jamest: you won't believe but i fixed your geas segfault Action: psu is playing around with the guest account on dcl and instinctively used the US date format without even thinking ;-~ fil_c (~username@host213-122-203-112.btinternet.com) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard: no way! don't do things like that as I use them as my excuse for not having the geas driver done! hehe that would be no good excuse anyway resist it jamest! people might start expecting useful stuff from us because an empty query wouldn't make sense anyway btw geas still doesn't do any meaningful when executing an empty query just it survives now fil_c (username@host213-122-203-112.btinternet.com) got netsplit. presumably I can't raise stuff on GNUe dcl using the guest account, yes? Action: psu thinks that might be taking the concept of "open project" too far heh while we're there, you could change your root password to "gnu" too and have a nice open box :) fil_c (~username@host213-122-203-112.btinternet.com) got lost in the net-split. nope - chillywilly is the one who gives out p/w over IRC around here... I was going to add a work order/ticket to add a Kernel Cousins link to the front page underneath the Mailing Lists & IRC Kernel Cousins
ought to do it ask an ye shall receive fil_c (~username@host213-1-128-197.btinternet.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+n ' by herbert.openprojects.net fil_c (username@host213-1-128-197.btinternet.com) got netsplit. fil_c (~username@host213-1-128-197.btinternet.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. reinhard: so should I see if the nice folks on BugTraq would take a look at geas now? fil_c (username@host213-1-128-197.btinternet.com) got netsplit. fil_c (~username@host213-1-128-197.btinternet.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. fil_c (username@host213-1-128-197.btinternet.com) got netsplit. fil_c (~username@host213-1-128-197.btinternet.com) got lost in the net-split. jamest: umm... well.... i mean ... aehm.... ;) :) psu you still here? let me create you an account so you can do that :) jcater : im nuts dcl isnt dorked, just dumb lusers here :) but get this, all the hype about them loving it well boss took it to his boss and now they want to find a commerical product that does same thing as having 'free software' isnt safe just had about an hour argument.... we will see how it ends up one thing that might save it is if i can provide a few companies that will 'commercially support' dcl to point they might even PAY for a support contract Anyone got an off-the-shelf company we can let mdean have, cheap? they are so funny, literally they are 'squirming' because we have something VERY useful that we didnt pay a dime for, we get bug fixes on demand and we customized it to meet everything they asked for in under 24 hours... it is such a FOREIGN concept they dont knwo what to do its 'too good to be true' "spend money" isn't that the solution to everything? jcater: thats pretty much what they are saying dneighbo: tell them ThompsonCorp will support it for $45 hour....mdean you willing to work for say um, $5 an hour :) if we could just drop $1500 for licenses and know there is a phone number to call hell, I'll support it :) granted from experience no one need answer that fone that knows shit about hte product and they can just say hmmm that sucks, it will be in the next release we dont know when next release is (as thats what our other vendors do) 'Pookie Support, Inc.' but just having the phone number and writing the checks make them 'feel good' The accountancy answer is to guess how much it would cost to license equivalent product stick that in a Reserve dneighbo: all you have to do is set up a Bayonne server with an "automated" attendent :) draw down on it when you need consultancy to "fix" things jcater: rofl push 1 if you are having an issue in the meantime, money is in your co's pocket push 2 if you want to pay us more money not NESoft's Still probably end up ahead push 3 for electronic greensleves Of course, a lot of UK ISPs still have helplines on premium rates (think 1-900-*) "hi, I'm mandi, wanna talk DNS with me...?" lol "Yeah what's a good setting for my TTL in my SOA?" "Um, I'm going to need to forward this call to the advanced help desk" Hey betty, what's DNS again? rofl "Da New Software" I think DNS = Doing Naughty Stuff Dan's Night Service ... wanna talk DNS with me... SOA? Who you callin an SOA? if you all havent read miguels article @ msdn i suggest you do so url? i have never seen his butt kissing of m$ so bad http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/Dndotnet/html/deicazainterview.asp?frame=true Dare Obasanjo: Similarly what happens if Dan Kusnetzky's prediction comes true and Microsoft changes the .NET APIs in the future? Will the Mono project play catch up or will it become an incompatible implementation of .NET on UNIX platforms? Miguel de Icaza: Microsoft is remarkably good at keeping their APIs backwards compatible (and this is one of the reasons I think they have had so much success as a platform vendor). So I think that this would not be a problem. had me rolling on the floor so hard i nearly peed my self m$ good at keeping API backwards compatiablity and that is why they are dominant on the desktop (hahahahhaha) now that is some GOOD CRACK! the most notable part of the article though was when he asked them about the free software community saying mono was a bunch of bastards they pointed to portable.net and gave a link but when referring to dotGNU they didnt give a url 'wonder if that was on purpose' ;) see, chillywilly was right ;-) dsmith (dsmith@209.81.167.28) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds well not to expose my extreme love of all things M$ dneighbo: I'm attempting to install the GNUe-Forms package and it keeps saying that PyXML is not installed but they haven't done too bad a job maintaining backward compatibility w/ things like directX and yet I went to the sourceforge page and downloaded the RPM's like it said and it still gives me that error type python then type import xml er wait go into python then type from xml.sax import saxexts and let me know if you get error Maniac-atwork (user1@anolas01-p184.mts.net) joined #gnuenterprise. I was running setup.py like: python2.1 setup.py install I looked in the INSTALL file and just now did ./setup.py install that seemed to work better at least it got past the PyXML error but now it gives me an error not being able to find the wxPython-gl package since I only downloaded and installed the wxPython packages for 2.1 Python 2.1 (I guess) when dealing w/ rpms and debs they are version specific yes right we created an 'ugly' but good dependency in moving to pyhton > 2.0 so by typing ./setup.py, it's apparently running Python 1.5.2 as it generally means one has TWO versions of python which knows about PyXML chillywilly (~danielb@d20.as11.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. then when installing things invariably they go in wrong places :) hmmm i solved this on red hat by just instalilng everything from source I've never used Python before Action: dneighbo is a source junkie on my laptop now :) ouch as redhat is so screwed packaging wise finding ANYTHING new that works with 6.2 is near impossible dneighbo: as in redhat source RPMs or the actual tarballs of stuff ? on debian it was as easy as apt-get pattieja actual tarballs though you SHOULDNT have to do that whew hmm i just did it, because rpm db is messed up on my machine and i gave up fighting it anylonger :) rpm sucks apt sucks too it just sucks less yes! sucking less is good though because everything sucks you know? ;) ajmitch_ (~ajmitch@p57-max6.dun.ihug.co.nz) left #gnuenterprise. yip in some cases its advantageous to have things that suck 'more' Wasn't it andy warhol who said "99% of everything is crap" i'll leave it up to you to determine those cases :) heheh and this was before w w w prescient, or what? pattieja: what I did was install python as a binary installed as may python requirements as binary then the last few things missing as source via python2 ./setup.py install psu what is your email? jaemst can you make him a psu@gnuenterprise.org account that aliases to his email? Action: chillywilly sends another patch to bug-commoncpp dsmith (~dsmith@209.81.165.76) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo: done psu: can you test wilco jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" i sent mail to you jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jeff cater! sigh hehe Action: chillywilly whoops jc with the trout-o-matic hey can we just rewrite GEAS in C++? ;) or python even? why? python would be better C++ always sounds to me like an indecisive examiner C++?+ just make it a B-, ok? Action: jcater is still looking for some crack++ heh Action: chillywilly dccs crack++ to jcater dude I want to use Dave's library it rocks rocks my socks even jeff? jcater: pythin is friggin slow though er, python um no yes it is not as bad as java mom! he said python was slow but it is slower slow? you'd be surprised I have to wait for designer to start up I am damn impatient that's actually wxPython starting up which is based upon wxWindows which is C++ :) first in tests i think in many areas java has been proven faster than python and vice versa BUT interpreted languages are always goign to be slow anyway sloppy code can make a fast language seem slow I _think_ i'd blame swig for the performance hit on wxPython and good code make a slow language seem fast Does the fact that .NET seems to imply that the end of COM is near mean that Mono will spell the end of Bonobo? I just love GNU Common C++ damnit Miguel de Icaza: Definitely. heh python natively incourages structure that doesnt let you code poorly as easily as say C/C++/Java ;) thats not to say you cant feh just w/o trying generally it leads you to structures etc that are more efficient at least that is my humble opinion dneighbo: dude, that's just shitty software design dn - my new @gnuenterprise.org address works use the right structure for the right job then dag nabit i think it's unfair to state that is too slow w/o profiling it jamest: i sent you a dcl workorder for the psu thing so you can log on and close it now :) jamest: fine then I'll make python bindings to my lib and we'll see how much slower it is i didnt hear response from you immediately so figured you were away :) so put in dcl so i wouldnt forget :P anyway, who cares chillywilly: that'd be cool with me I want to use GNU Common C++ it rocks! we can play with omniORB I think ORBit2 still has threading issues :( Action: chillywilly wants multi-threaded app server nah threading is bad um no threading is a lazy way to code servers (second only to forking) how do you figure? so Dave is lazy because Bayonne is multi-threaded? well, with simple math, I use my fingers as it gets more complex, I use my toes too oh plz that's a lame reason not to do threading where it makes sense sure the complexity is higher but it's more fun :) sure, "where it makes sense" and why shouldn't each orb request run in its own thread? you want ppl to have to wait on each other? there's a different between blocking vs nonblocking and threaded vs nonthreaded geeze maybe my OS should just have one process it is so much easier maybe it should, might make you more productive ;') I am productive Action: dneighbo runs from the trout wielding chillywilly ;) just ask Dave I sent him a patch today bitch the dude from Wendy's? we use omniorb + omninames + omninotify + omniorbpy for our account-management-project .. i find omniorb quite ok .. but i haven't yet really worked with orbit. we used omniorb because of it's standard python binding and notification service . orbit has 'issues' omniorb as well i think .. none is perfect otherwise they would sell it :) dsmith (dsmith@209.81.165.76) left irc: "later.." jack-e: hmmm, well I think some ppl plan on selling GNUe solutions so what doe sthat make GNUE? we plan to sell our solution too .. and we're evaluating gnue now :) but there is a long way to go .. but you might get infected with the horrendous GPL ;) the IP destroyer yep .. but companies make money with linux as well (at least they did :) ... I am joking of course the gnue-site explicitly tells about consultants that install gnue and make money .. ok .. yep "we don't sell software, we sell solutions" probably not as expensive as those SAP and Oracle consultants that's what we wanna do :) psu: I like that :) sounds awfully like a prop ERP vendor's tagline heheh :) except that a GNUe consultant actually means it... yep "So tell me, Mr. SAP, if I'm buying a solution, not software prop vendor: "we don't sell software, we go on vacations" so has anyone build apps on top of gnue and "sold" it ?? why do you care how many licenses I have?" jack-e - AFAIK, you could never "sell" the app or at least got some donations ... GPL and all that but you can sell the service of writing the app <|darks|> well cou can sell the cd :) so i never can reuse what i have done .. twice ?? jack-e - yes you can, but so can anyone else "free as in speech", AFAIK of course, I know only what I've read on www.gnu.org re the GPL so I'm hardly authorative ask chillywilly so you say .. that if i "do not modifiy gnue" but build something on top .. i need to gpl it as well ?? e.g. i my database scheme or my forms .. Needs clarification jep .. definitly .. You might claim this falls under "freedom 0" - to use GNUe for any purpose but equally not sure how I feel about using GNUe tools (Forms, Reports) to build a non-free app bear in mind the GPL only talks about distribution if you don't distribute, you can keep your code private "are we there yet?" ;-) jack-e: yes and not share it with anyone if it is not possible to sell my work without opening everything to public and promote on my site: "i wrote a very good app, please copy and get in competition with my company with my own work ???" jack-e: I've got a client using forms in house However, don;t trust *anything* I say about GPL as this is all still shiny new to me jamest: and you charge them for your work ?? i like the idea to share work on the basics (gnue for example) but i cannot see any way to keep on my business if i cannot sell an app that is build on these basics .. psu: I believe any/every company has a right to charge for their work for compensation (people gots ta eat), but greatly appreciate those companies that "free" their software after reasonable compensation or work on the basic and contribute their enhancements ... jack: I believe you will find higher profits focusing on services versus a packaged product software is and should be a commodity fil_c (~username@host213-122-198-193.btinternet.com) joined #gnuenterprise. mr: i calculate about a year of work for 2-5 people for our project to be able to sell it .. this will cost us about 150000$ if i would pay everyone who's involved with a regular income I believe many many customers will prefer customizing GNUe to their business versus some sort of future upgrades of the proprietary application i want to use gnue for one big solution .. (with our first project) jack, I hate to say it, but a lot of people want free software in the future.. it is and should be a commodity.. how long this will take, I dunno.. jack-e: they get a cut rate as long as anything I do for them goes back to gnue jack-e: however it's not my "real" job software as a service will become reality.. maybe not via "web apps" but a combination of many technologies.. so lots of work I do in forms that's generic doesn't cost them a dime however screens created in forms that they use they are charged for very, very little actually costs them money let's take our project as example: jack: most of the software we want to replace cost around in the hundred thousands and even millions of dollars we are consultants for educational instituts in germany after all the development and maint is incluuded we are developing an account-management (and want to use gnue for example) we design our solution in a way that it would fit into corporate environments from the beginning. after we have some experience and the solution is really well done (otherwise i wouldn't sell it :) i want to advertise: I have an account-managment for heterogenous networks that you can buy. i contributed all the things that we extended gnue back to gnue. can i sell this app (giving sources to my customers .. python won't let me another choice) to a number of companies ???? how do you plan to extend gnue? if you modify gnue source code you must use GPL i don't now yet .. i started using gnue 3 days ago .. but for example i will work on the sapdb-driver and contribute it back jack-e: AFAIK, all that is within the bounds of GPL wrt GNUe; but, you realize that sort of package is in competition with GNUe right? As that's the type of software we are trying to open up i will try to enhance the gnue-common and we think that gnue-forms is not yet perfect. so all modification we will do on gnue we will contribute back ... jack-e: i see no problem with you making "closed" .gfd and .gcd files yes your $___.__ package will be competing with GNUe.. so you really need to be ahead of GNUe jack-e: and enhancing the tools as you require but giving the enhancements back one way to look at it (IANAL) jcarter: why is my package competing with gnue you could modify our parsers to only accept digitally encrypted/signed gfd files and donate that code back jack: any modification of source code must follow GPL, applications written using GNUe Designer (.gfd, .gcd) can have their own license and be commercial/proprietary if you want then you could distribute encrypted/closed gfd's that your customer couldn't read via normal means it is a solution built with gnue .. so can everyone else who has the knowledge to build an account-management .. sure we are also doing account management packages, tho I'm not saying "Don't do it"... I'm just making sure you are aware that we will do similar stuff the idea is actually for any users of GNUe to create a proprietary (it is proprietary if an app is modified for their org), but can be access via open backend-framework technology if anyone wants to plugin to this proprietary system account-management in my sense means: you manage users and groups for heterogenous networks (unix/win/mac) jack: if you can't compete with GNUe, you are much better off helping us ;-) jcarter: does this compete ?? well jack.. you and every other bub are attempting that ;-) lets see... have you thought about how you will do this with GNUe? via python, etc? as i said .. i would like to help improving gnue .. if i can get something to eat with some money i earned .. mr_you .. we have a working version with Zope but we are not happy with it :) I've always said a requirement for GEAS/GNUe authentication needs to be via OS,DB, and internal GNUe/GEAS table... I don't see it being really dificult to extend this to password modification, etc.. account management.. what i need gnue for is a RDBMS->Corba adapter and a Data-Management App that runs on multiple platforms ... mr_you ... it's much more than just authenticating users ;-) reinhard (rm@N816P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there" jack: most orgs have already customized account management between multiple apps.. the PITA is integrating these systems with mainframes jack: yeah my point being it shouldn't be too dificult to add password modification, add accounts, etc.. if it is so easy .. fine .. then we will use gnue and sell specialiced versions of it :) but most orgs will want 3 different types of systems to authenticate and maintain users and passwords against: OS, DB, and GNUe table but first i need a working geas-server that coops with forms and designer .. and what i got till yet .. there is a stony way to reach this well, your code will need to be GPLed unless its external of and uses no GNUe code jack-e: ? i didn't understand last parts of last sentence jamest: am i wrong ???? jamest: I think he means with what he has now he is far away from reaching his goal ;-) ah, well, the geas driver will be getting more love maybe tonight but it has a ways to go jamest: what is your timeline for geas-0.10.0 ?? hehe that timeline is a reinhard/neilt/friends timeline i want to use sapdb for example .. so i need to wait for geas<->common integration ... so I don't know for sure ooooooo i want to have a much nicer user-interface .. so i need to help extending the (you said) messy-code of forms :)) that's what i said .. a stony way .. ok I can coop with this .. i don't need to pay for gnue :) wrt to geas/common - i don't have answer there yet the UI rewrite is underway however I'm a bit of a, well, a bit of an ass about the UI in forms and i'm ready to contribute if i see a way to build our solution with gnue ... I do cave in to some pressure but I really don't want to see a widgetfest in forms widgetfest isn't bad ;-) what does widgetfest mean ?? one of my major complaints about widget sets is that 20% of what they give you can do 80% of your needs, the other 80% is "flash" that ... a ) increases complexity in learning the widget set yeah good thoughts james b ) incourages designers to play Maniac-atwork (user1@anolas01-p184.mts.net) left irc: so I want to keep the forms UI lean and very focused on making data aware apps very very easy to write kewl (widgetfest = something I made up to show that there are way too many widgets in a typical wigdet set) fwiw, jcater backs jamest up on this viewpoint ok i know derek did a demo of forms in NY for a dude that was used to working with GTK apps Dmitry free? So says slashdot, quoting NY Times and the dude was amazed at how fast and easy you could get to working app but perhaps one could write forms it in a way that the it is easy to include into more "advanced" applications than just data-in/output ... Action: Mr_You hands jason 5 cents. as a module/library that i can include in apps jack-e: oh yes, forms does non-dataware apps now I'm just saying that we'll (hopefully) keep the focus on making the basic business tasks (writing interfaces to get data into the system) very very easy and the other stuff may make you work a bit harder as it sits right now you can make a forms trigger do anything python can do and you can even manipulate forms itself you just have to really know the internals and if you do that then you have my pity :) the trigger language is on the table for rewrite too to make the basic business tasks i spoke of above easier the other thing that rocks about the forms ui .. was when the curses backend was up to date (read "working") by keeping the UI simple the same file worked seemlessly on text and gui platforms that' s definitly interesting with madlockes work with html clients we'll soon (hopefully) have a web interface as well so the same .gfd file could be accessed via telnet, gui, or http that's the push for the forms 0.3.0 release this raises the value of work for sure .. and there need to be limitations to achieve this .. i agree available sometime in (if our 0.1.0 release is any indication) Oct 2002 :) jamest: that early? :) jcater: i was going to con you into looking at it sometime in Sep 2002 so i just should take my long awaited holiday and come back next year ?? jcater: that way I know it'd get done :) lol :) just joking .. i'm very interested in gnue .. and I'll try to "get your pity" .. with my partner |darks| .. if he agrees on using gnue for our project :)) psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise. lol so .. it's midnight here in germany .. and it's time to leave office for now .. I'll be back .. thanks for this nice talk .. guten nacht? cu guys or is it guter? Action: dneighbo cant ever remember dneighbo: gute nacht :)) or just: servus :)) Action: dneighbo wonders if they are teaching me obscenities to scream at people :) jack-e: nooooo .. would we ;-) i'll bbl jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: "[x]chat" cu jack-e (nobody@pD950F5F1.dip.t-dialin.net) left #gnuenterprise. Action: dneighbo envisions saying servus to an austrian like arnold swarzanegger and getting punched in the face hmm what's the german word for donut? I might need that word for survival if I'm ever stuck there rofl my dictionary says Schaumgummiring we have german neighbors at the beach house and she makes these little pastries and cookies at holidays that are to DIE for put donuts to shame actually dictionary has second listing for doughnut Krapfen ah much easier Krispy Kreme Krapfen KKK rofl that sounds like a good conspiracy theory article :) pattieja : you here? man I don't need a donut hrrrmm dneighbo: what's up? I'll tell ya, aikido makes you sore as hell if you don't work out.. where can i get sandsurfer? it involves having your arms and hands twisted Mr_You shhhhh ssh? dneighbo: it's only available from CVS checkout at the moment. glazed donuts mmmmmm.. dneighbo: we were going to rewrite it completely and saw no reason to release tarballs or RPM's, etc. ah well then not worth me getting why not? yay!!!!! Dmirty is Free!!!! bout time From: Nate Riffe To: Sklyarov Chicago Subject: [sklyarov-chicago] Dmitry is Free -----BEGIN NED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ladies and Gentlemen, I have good news. Many of you may have already heard, but the charges against Dmitry Sklyarov have been dropped in exchange for his testimony in the case against ElcomSoft. He has agreed to testify for the prosecution, although the defense expects that he will prob tify for them as well. Anyway, Dmitry is going home. - -Nate damnit sorry pretty ugly ;-) fil_c (username@host213-122-198-193.btinternet.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" jcater you here? if so check out http://judiciary.senate.gov/te121201f-lessig.htm its lessig's testimony in M$ trial from other day very very very disappointing :( basically he thinks nothing should happen to microsoft because hurting them would let cable companies take over the net and that .net is vital to preventing this Errr.. Is cable companies taking over a bad thing? so we should let them go untouched and just put somone in place as the 'master overseer' and if it looks like they are being bad this person could decide and slap hand if they get out of line boy thats reassuring i suppose we would let m$ pick WHOM this overseer is too :) dres (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Remote closed the connection i really like most of lessig's stuff, but this was really bad assessment IMHO man lessig is diasappointing what's scary is lessig is probably right his code is law stuff dneighbo? which is code more like law? or art? chillywilly: have you read the book? lessig's? jcater: i think he is right in some respects and normally i would AGREE, but i dont trust the system his major point is microsoft is losing, linux is starting to gain marketshare and windows is losing it so to 'fix a battle that ended' is pointless instead head off the next battle which is for the internet why does that url not resolve for me? i think he over plays the significance of .net IMHO bigbrother is trying to keep me down ;P and i think he is too idealistic to think that an 'overseer' could keep m$ in check maybe i am just paranoid well we all now how you feel about web services ;) what is your view jcater? web services (bah) thats a buzz word what is a web service? the definitions i hear exist today w/o .net got to dotgnu.org they should have defintiion now ;P well .NET is a lot of crap neilt (~neilt@dhcp64-134-54-175.chan.dca.wayport.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. i still laugh i remember client/server is the bomb 3 tier is the bomb n tier is the bomb application services are the bomb 3 cheers for 3 tier web services are the bomb and i look at our 2billion dollar org and our two critical operations financials and human resources yes, comuting has "trends" too are still done on a fat ass client somputing damn terminal to mainframe can't type tell me again why that is? um and believe me they HAVE had many an RFP to replace them cause they work :) and no one wants to spend the money or run the risk of stuff that 'just works' but do you have Linux on thaty mainframe? then you would be cool ;) j/k we have it in the works the guy that started carving me an LPAR on it transferred to the state :( seriously? seriously when you gonna get county its GNUe solution? ;) they were upgrading so the 'extra' partition was being used for a migration path LPAR? wtf is that? he was slowly moving stuff into production and saving me that LPAR for it its a mainframe partition there are two ways you can install linux on a mainframe vm = virtual machine ok partition logical partition? i.e. you can emulate linux on os/390 or you can install the bitch right on the hardware :) we were going to go raw hardware baby uhuh heheh' hi neilt hey well what happened? i want to go back to a 3090-600 yes, howdy neilt oh how life would be grand chillywilly larry transferred to the state and i havent talked his replacement into giving up the LPAR again :) Action: chillywilly hopes there's not too many debs to get again dneighbo: ooooh dneighbo: you don't knwo mainframes? dneighbo: you can't play with it yourself? not really, but more importantly i dont have 'access' to our mainframe at that level :) I guess they still want it to work l) ;) Action: chillywilly ducks dneighbo: you just need to eat more pizza and start working at midnight as officially i am 'lead client/server programmer/analyst' rofl heh we have a killer data center not like i can just waltz in dneighbo: they probably even leave the computer room door open its manned 24/7 ok i can get in the first room with my badge but not the second one dneighbo: thats when you just fake passing out i should get a picture of our mainframe then they open the door and you are in its pretty sweet they just replaced it like 2 years ago dneighbo: so you can get GNUe tested on big iron at county yet? ;) and now its size of like an entertainment center haw instead of like the 1000sqft it used to be :) chillywilly : um yes kind of man i have gnue forms 2 tier working against db2 on mainframe ;) but no app server testing? so technically i am using GNUe against 'big iron' but not ON it dneighbo: can we put that on website ah well you can put on website that its test on that sure dneighbo: I see but cant name my county heh as i dont want to go through a 6 month legal hoop jumping to get the approval :) they won't offically sponsor us? chillywilly they possibly would i just dont want to go there right now some county located around Phoenix, AZ ..... \:) I see i have other battles here to fight dneighbo: you've kinda already published it hmmm jcater: you coudl say a county in az and it would say its us :) what sorta battles? as we are probably only one running os/390 :) neilt difference between casually saying in irc and publicly putting as an item on a website for purposes of promotion put it this way we employ about 400 lawyers at the county see dneighbo you just need to get them to pay you to hack on GNUe and it would be all good man :) so its not like most orgs where you just do things and get A lawyers sign off if it goes to a lawyer here, its lost for 6 months ugh too much red tape ? yip contracts here are a pain in the ass especially for software as most software contracts suck they are written to effect of 'you cant ever file suit against us the software company, but if we feel you ever wrong us we have right to screw you' and of course our lawyers refuse to sign (which is good) but then its a pissing contest for 8 months and ulitimately they just sign the damn thing only have it changed to ('we cant do shit to you, you cant do shit to us') haha actually there is ONE really good contract negotiator here, Chris he did our last vendor contract in under 45 days (which is AMAZING) still ended with pretty much and ulitimately they just sign the damn thing only have it changed to ('we cant do shit to you, you cant do shit to us') ugh 6MB to upgrade fooey but it happened 6 months quicker than normal :) Action: chillywilly needs DSL Action: chillywilly can get DSL Action: chillywilly should get DSL Action: chillywilly is getting DSL then I cna host some shit for us and satisfy my debian upgrade addiction and kernel compile addiction with greater ease Action: pattieja is away: home if he is home how is he away.... virtual life is truly great :) jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "bbiab" dneighbo: not everyone HAS to sit on their computer when they are home I don't know how they do it though does anyone have any problems with storing GNUe definition files inside a database? ::P dres (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. Mr_You: actually I think we discussed putting thing all in a database at one point for security it would be good.. if you combined db storage of all data (including definitions).. AND encrypted (via crypt local system functions) the password inside the GEAS config file (and any other files requiring passwords) this would be pretty secure.. easiest solution is to create/find an app that will print the resulting encryption of the password and you can just copy and paste that hell you could just copy and paste /etc/passwd password entries someone gaining root access would have to find access to the db via a username and password or a hole in the DB security system itself someone who gained root access that is post this to the list I guess in a little while the hacker could also attempt to hack the raw data of the DB possibly hackity hack hack at that point, only some weird encryption method would work Mr_You: a hacker is one who enjoys programing an being clever at it ;) Mr_You personally i hate it yeah yeah I know but i wouldnt push my personality on you heh hate what? that's what mastas are for? we have discussed having forms and gcd's both be available via db s/?// i.e. i think we all agreed that would be an 'option' perhaps even the default we would need scripts for all dbs it would sorta make mor ework for us but we would never remove the ability to have .gfd, .gcd, etc be files well.. jason and I were talking, and if your machine gets rooted, he's one step better by just knowing what your data looks like.. much less being able to modify files as i stated, i wont argue it, but it will be an option well thats something that I can do, so make it possible and I'll make some scripts ;-) my big issue is im an ssh baby now what about GEAS config file database username password encryption? and you put all this crap in dbs and such and it gets evil real quick to manipulate it w/o a gui and when im on the beach in hawaii and a company calls up and needs me to look at something real qiuck i dont want to have to extract it form db and get to flat file review fix repackage and insert in db etc etc etc :) not saying i dont see value in it being in a db it shouldn't be a problem to have both at once just as stated its about OPTIONS :) create scripts that could, possibly, be executed by GEAS to import stuff well, I really do think that password encryption of the GEAS user's password inside the geas config file should be encryptable.. its very easy to implement ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.35) left irc: "[x]chat" options are good thats your first line of defense against a box that has been rooted Mr_You: excellent options? send some code who needs that? neilt: :D we'll check in bah! code, who would dare such a thing ;) python has to have access to the crypt system functions.. oh i forgot this is free software we only talk about code you could write it in the 5 minutes it takes me to figure out how to write it don't we have any wish list yet? ;-) (5 minutes is a joke in itself) neilt: ouch, you are brutal....ummm where's your last code checkin eh? ;) neilt: put yo money where yo mouth is Action: chillywilly looks in the mirror you too Action: Mr_You can contribute a wish list heh i got a commit from neilt less than 3 days ago umm, code is better not I so dont pick on him :) dneighbo: it was gcd files wasn't it? I am messing with him anyway I might just try that good :) i dont care if it was dog poop as long as it was gnue dog poop i suppose i should go now... LUG xmas party , this should be '''interesting''' so you want poop now? dneighbo (dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com) left irc: "BitchX: its how steak is done" dunno where my wallet is :-( thought I left it at the dojo.. sucks well bbl I stole it. bastid jbailey (jbailey@Toronto-HSE-ppp3641419.sympatico.ca) left irc: "Client Exiting" Maniac (darryl@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" Maniac (~darryl@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) joined #gnuenterprise. I'll give it back if you pay a ransom sorry back Mr_You: yes we have wish list its called TODO i think * change objectstore and oql into a reusable database abstraction library * enable calculated fields * make the whole thing thread-safe * store object definitions in the database instead of gcd files * implement multi company * implement a security concept * database fault tolerance * transaction support * load balancing * database access monitoring (logging of all db operations) * administration tool (provide number of users etc. and some administrative operations as pseudo-businessobjects) * be able to point object field defaults to a company parameter list or defaults located in the GEAS.conf file. * add MySQL support to parse_load_sql.py * add Oracle support to GEAS * abstract CORBA/client support to enable using different ORBs or other network connection technologies Action: chillywilly wanst to work on the first one * add support for omniORB for windows compatibility no way way no-one works on geas its a rule heh we just talk about it shutup I am coding something else right now so it will have to wait until i feel I can put time into it if someone beats me then oh well I'll do something else then btw, I am joking around with you when I say shutup i know I still love you neilt :) Action: neilt runs and hides haha please get the ball bat back out i know how to deal with that er? Action: chillywilly covers himself up and braces for the beating ppl are just going to call it Hurd anyway ;) just like they call the other one "linux" I don't like those convos, freaking waste of time woops wrong channel ah well nickr: that's what IRC is for wasting time :) Ye,s but not on things that infuriate me naming issues infuriate you? thank goodness for /ignore or xidex infuriats you? or me? heheh chillywilly: you don't generally infuriate me haha damn I must be doing something erong ;) wrong even you're just not trying hard enough I know I suck "there is no try" Yoda was speaking only of some things and using language to encourage Luke to use his full potential that statement is meaningless out of context SachaS (~sacha@203.190.196.153) joined #gnuenterprise. you really are a dork aren't you? as my freind would say to me nickr: don't you want to encourage me to my full potential of assholeness? heheh No, because I consider being an asshole a negitive quality it was a joke Rafterman (tim@lister.sesgroup.net) joined #gnuenterprise. you knwo those thing that make you go haha ah well no one is any fun I'm just feeling still sorct of bleh why? you still got that same gir friend? girl (second questiontotally unrelated) ;) Yes I'm maybe a bit hungry, and #hurd bumms me on ocation Action: chillywilly is also hungry neilt (neilt@dhcp64-134-54-175.chan.dca.wayport.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds rdean (rdean@chcgil2-ar2-052-243.chcgil2.dsl.gtei.net) joined #gnuenterprise. derek (dneighbo@cpe-24-221-56-186.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@Toronto-HSE-ppp3638768.sympatico.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. hello jbailey Heay derek hi jb chillywilly!! =) hey you know the auto* tools well? why doe sthis macro cause these warnings AC_DEFUN(OST_PROG_CC_POSIX,[ AC_PROG_CC AC_PROG_CPP AC_ISC_POSIX AC_MINIX] ) configure.in:21: AC_TRY_COMPILE was called before AC_MINIX configure.in:21: AC_PROG_CPP was called before AC_PROG_CC configure.in:21: AC_TRY_COMPILE was called before AC_MINIX IIRC the AC_MINIX is because Minix request special hacks in TRY_COMPILE. k Is CPP the C preprocessor? It might be trying to prefer "gcc -E" In which case it would need CC first. what doe s-E do? does -E oooh how can you fix this? this is in GNU Common C++ it doesn't really effect anything Add AC_MINIX near the beginning and swap the order of AC_PROG_CC and AC_PROG_CPP but I figured it should be fixed derek (dneighbo@cpe-24-221-56-186.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) o k in the macro there? or do it in configure.in? Either. the MINIX one ok lvogel (lucas7@cx229913-e.phnx3.az.home.com) joined #gnuenterprise. man that gives me an 4 warnings now :P instead fo 3 s/fo/of obfuscation:/usr/local/src/commoncpp# ./reconfig Putting files in AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR, `config'. configure.in:21: AC_TRY_COMPILE was called before AC_MINIX configure.in:21: AC_PROG_CPP was called before AC_PROG_CC configure.in:21: AC_TRY_COMPILE was called before AC_MINIX configure.in:21: AC_PROG_CPP was called before AC_PROG_CC derek (dneighbo@cpe-24-221-56-186.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi gang hiya dsmith (~dsmith@oh-strongsville5a-64.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. where is the documentation on the webpage about the programming language for the modules(?) I can't find it the module guide? is that it? yep sorta anyway lvogel: how is it going? http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~neilt/ so far I can't get the cvs to download I'm also in windows at the moment so I can't download it anyway :p Action: chillywilly wonder where the friggin html is for it http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~neilt/GNUeModuleGuide/main/gnuemoduleguide.html jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. why cant you download it on windows? gnue runs on windows :) I dunno, can I? out of cvs? btw: you are missing the xmas party here :) the forms client does yip out of cvs even (iirc) its just a little more difficult it has a nice setup.exe too i shoulda went to that - I never go to teh mtgs for windwos i would get the .exe's off the website for windows it takes all of 5 minutes to install alrighty lvogel: i noticed, hans teases that you are a virtual person the rumor was you are jiva :) derek: is this your buddy? which fits as jiva isnt here today :) lol he goes to the plug group I went to a couple bandersnatch mtgs what's the p stand for? phoenix? yep punks heh pussies pukes is there a url where I can download the whole banana, or do I have to d/l each piece separately? um each piece unless you do cvs well i cna make a tar ball of cvs but you make a good point can even and which one do I install? I see 3 or 4 fargin files here for windwows exe probably we wshould make inno that has 'selection' for each piece so you only have to install one lvogel: let me look ok Action: jbailey is away: dinner Action: chillywilly wants soem food derek: you at the mtg right now? jbailey: whatcha eating? probably not anythign I would liek anyway ;) GNUe-Forms-0.1.0.exe k Description: Single file install of GNUe Forms for win32 platforms. Added on: 21-Nov-2001 Hits: 263 lvogel: yip wow lots o' hits for winblows GNUe-Designer-0.1.0.exe Description: Single file install of GNUe Designer for win32 platforms. Added on: 21-Nov-2001 Hits: 225 Rating: 10.0 (1 Vote) I don't want the debug version? it's all in the files section on the site how long is the party gonna be is all you should need um dont know probably till 8:30 at least Action: chillywilly ends another patch to Dave for GNU Common C++ sends 8/8:30 damn just as well, I might be moving anyways why start going now i always end up here until 10pm, but i just never shut up :) lvogel: where you moving to? bakersfield gooberville ah thats right, i drove through bakersfield on way to san francisco for linuxworld a few months ago derek: ow long do your lig meetings last? lug from 7 to 8:30 usually or run into 9pm but this is our xmas party so who knows do I only need designer? you only need forms or should I collect the whole series you can use emacs to make forms :) but i would get designer its a small downwload small footprint and worth the convience imho forms downloaded first so I installed that that's a mighty fine installer pkg, whoever made that kudos to them is gnue forms just a working demo or something? it is a client that runs forms emacs! draws the gui form the form description file connects to a database emacs forms client that'd be neat heheh just need to write a gnurpc layer in elisp well hop on it cowboy what are you waiting for haha hilarious brb, gotta go make a phone call talk to you guys in a few lvogel (lucas7@cx229913-e.phnx3.az.home.com) left irc: derek: In Feb, the clevlend lug is going to start meeting at cleveland stat univ. dhcp ethernet by every seat! Action: chillywilly 's lug meets at MSOE and we have T3 access :) via dhcp yay Action: jcater 's lugs meets at .... oh, wait.. I've never been heh Action: jbailey is back (gone 00:18:41) I was in a lug for two meeting even though I lived 1 block from weher it met jcater: you around? ............ gettin rounder by the day rofl oh, around yip having a postgres brain fart does postgres support date diffs derek, we've been over this... where you can do sub tract one date from another in the query postgres + pr0n != good library solution and get a return or is that just php function im thinking of? I'm sure it does as that's a pretty basic SQL92 requirement IIRC do you know the syntax? are they 2 date fields? don't you just do field1-field2? doesnt matter to me :) that would work thats what i thought if its more complicated than that then but had brain fart someone needs to troutslap postgres and started to think i was nuts :) argh! win32 and postscript don't mix or, computers and postscript don't mix or maybe it's just computers and jcater don't mix I like postscript There's a new bubblejet print (blanked on who by.. it'll come to me...) that does postscript nickr: forth like? cool that's cool but I have more postscript printers than I'd care to admit jbailey: you need to find tou man ;) out Action: chillywilly sends another patch to bug-commoncpp@gnu.org No, convient standard for printing Dave will love me convenient printing for simple stuff for production stuff, very inconsistent implementations yea chillywilly: It was at the local staples/office depot that is a shame jbailey: how well doe sit worj with gnu/linux? although I've had pretty good luck in my life with it. But I've blanked on it.. arrgh work even chillywilly: Dunno.. If it's postscript I expect it to be perfect. I remember that forth bumper sticker that made it all click for me: FORTH LOVE? IF HONK THEN :) yea that's true what am I thinking anyone here good with postgres? no. does anyone know if something using 7.1 client libraries will play nice with earlier servers ? no freaking clue there's one guy hangin out in #prostgresql it's not registered either afaict #postgres is but there's no one there no i dont think it will er wait it might i think i had issues with 6.5 client against 7.0.1 when don't you have issues? ;) I mean that;s like saying jcater doesn't like donuts....it is just an inescapable truth it's an inescapable truth that I don't like donuts? er, you know what I mean that you do of course ajmitch (me@p57-max6.dun.ihug.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds donut boy jcater: It's an inescapable truth that I miss eating donuts. *sigh* Action: chillywilly just had some chicken nuggets mmmmm I don't miss those ;) sure you do man cannot live on vegatable alone :P We used to have a chicken reduction factory near our house. That cured me of any cravings for chicken. (Nasty nasty smell) um yuck double yuck But I've never seen a doughnut reduction factory and I keep hoping Timmy Hoho's will see the light and start making Vegan doughnuts. jcater: is 'donut' your favorite food group? Either that or Angie will buy me a deepfryer for christmas. =) rofl donut reducation facotires are against the law in GNUe land free the chickens! oh, wait that's a movie rdean (rdean@chcgil2-ar2-052-243.chcgil2.dsl.gtei.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" chillywilly: Reduction or re-education? It's not clear what you mean.. =) I know I just noticed that funny typo Both are probably bad... Maybe that's why our education system is so messed up. Someone was designing a reduction factory, made a typo and the school system bid on it. "donut re-education: The holes aren't a birthright!" lol Action: chillywilly is going through scifi withdrawals my TV s busted s/s/is I bought a French translation of the Hobbit yesterday. I'll see how it goes. =) time for a TV card?!? man food here too greasy, think have heart burn ick I hate that drink some milk it helps me jbailey: parlez-vous francais? derek: Is that in a Jim Kirk voice? "man.... food here... too.. greasy.. think.. have.. heart burn..." rofl this is the GNU Enterprise you know captained by jamest ;) derek: Oui. J'ai pris l'ecole en Francais depuis la premiere annee a l'ecole. sweet tu es tres chic! derek: you are spock je desire parlez francais aussi nah its been a LONG time more like scotty captain! I'm trying to get Angie to keep up her French by reading to me at night. Sadly, it turns into a bedtime story for me and I fall asleep. =) but would like to get back to learning grammar again :) rofl I am giving it all she's got, but the form it will not parse! chillywilly: i had that happen before lol it blew my X right off the planet rofl she wont hold captain is what i kept telling jamest roflmao then BLAM somehow he finds that funny too damn that's too funny dude :D you have the 'engineering' mindset anyway so that role fits you well ;) found my wallet whoo hoo good no more bumming meals eh? you bum I donut like bummin hehe lambert (~lambert@dialup-209.246.91.201.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) joined #gnuenterprise. lambert (~lambert@dialup-209.246.91.201.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). Action: chillywilly nominates nickr to be "spock" that is illogical yep ;P jcater just does not make a good spock I just can't hold er, captain his donut addiction is highly illogical ;) Action: chillywilly fires up zsnes Action: chillywilly should get the lord of the rings game dude Ia m goignt o have to rewrite these templates they suck :P maybe Dave will take them Is Gnome ready For the Desktop? http://news.gnome.org/gnome-news/gnome-news/1008237426/ Action: chillywilly waits to be bombarded with Gnime hatred Gnome even No yes nickr you and I are the only ppl who like Gnome in this channel Or were you ansswering the question? ;) Action: dsmith tries to think of bloated jokes oooh I was answering the question can I have your thinkpad? ;) nickr: I know, I was being a smart ass when ignoring it and taking it as a reply to my gnome hatred comment ooooooh "I know its more fun to work on "the next great feature" than to maintain the last release, and that volunteer coders get to spend their time the way they want, but unless the code gets more stable and better documented, it will never be ready for prime time." so true yea jcater: you mean we should fix what we have instead of trying to 'keep up with the jones' I agree there derek: novel idea, eh? derek: we want no comments out of you now you understand why it'll be awhile before you get grids, right? but the jones drive a shiny new .net and moved into a large c# Action: jcater ducks i want that too jcater: yip understand and agree haha you notice how jc only pick the bas parts about the review? hmmmm coincidence? I think not um bass parts of the interview that's not a bad part Action: chillywilly just read about how intuitive the panel is jcater what was your view of lessig (i dont recall seeing it) the panel annoys me I want a transparent one or a dock/warf pretending one nickr: you cna fake transparency nickr: couldnt you remove the panel and use that thing enlightnement gives you? :P crap forget the name of it No. derek: well, I think it coincides with his book I don't use entl enl and I don't think that's the kind of future he's endorsing I want a panel that mimcs the dock though but is saying that with the commercialization of the internet it is inevitable which is why I agree with him IF the internet continues to be commercialized they want to build 2 internets one commercial and one not chillywilly: that's what he said in his book right? yep that was his prediction of what would happen and it is happening I saw something about it on a news site yep Bush has this initiative called govnet or something bush can kiss my rosy red a** hmm this is being logged and will be a permanent part of history bush can kiss my rosy red a** many, many times (sorry, couldn't resist) don't tell me you voted for Gore? jcater: The great part will be when it appears in the kernel cousin why would he kiss your arm? heheh chillywilly: Nader!! Nader!! vote whats that? i voted for nader, not because i wanted him btw, that's just in case my great-grandchildren weren't sure of my stance hehe but because i wanted to be sure that when bush or gore was elected always looking to the future aren't we? i could bitch and moan and bitch and moan and say i have the right to complain i didnt vote for either one i woudl have just NOT voted but then one could say i couldnt complain cause i didnt exercise my right to vote :) both of those parties are bought however, I do not like the alternatives either Nader is too liberal my point of view.... both parties have a sucky agenda which is why I want one controlling the house and one controlling the executive branch :) i liked clinton, i didnt stand for hardly any of his policies but he barely rocked the boat and at least the son of a bitch could weasel his way out of anything that's sort of a lame reason including wars, trade embargos and other nasties chillywilly: it may sound sick but i felt somewhat comfy with clinton as president the guy was 'slick' and honestly in politics being able to lie and bluff is what makes you successful he was a good lawyer dude how could any president right now avoid war? if i had to send someone into negotiations with another country not even slick willy could get out of this one chillywilly: maybe he couldn't avoid war... but I bet american's rights wouldn't be suspended chillywilly: Outright invading other countries is a little extreme. jcater: give me a break chillywilly: hmmm funny you say that why did the terrorists not attack here until he was GONE? i mean the 'reasons' they are attacking was from what Bush's father did chillywilly: Especially since the US is guilty of almost all of the things that they accuse others of. not what clinton did they had 8 years to retaliate jbailey: absolutely they waited until weenie boy bush was in office before they did derek: clinton could've and should've done a lot of thngs but he chooose to geta blow job in his office chillywilly: I think clinton was bogged down by people who were too obsessed with his sex life. while i dont condone it since we're on the subject: http://www.funnystrange.com/quiz/ i dont care what he does in his office as long as he does his job I think clinton did a fair share with foreign policy btw, I'm sure EVERY president had a girl in the oval office at one point :P believe me im not a fan of clinton in sense of all his policies his life etc I know I would doh! but he kept things running well i wouldn't i was bout to say i get **** jobs in my office and if my employer dont like it tough crap, but this is logged :) jcater: *shudder* Bush senior and a girl. What a though. =) granted its my home office ;) derek: too much info besides, how do you pull that off? our wives need to meet up :) rofl jcater: you'll never get elected now i didnt say recently :) once upon a time we didnt have kids you know nickr: I'd never get elected anyway :) but my wife is a lady no way she woudl do that ;) RoDude (~None@209-130-169-138.nas1.DES.gblx.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hello hello howdy hi can we answer any quetsions for you yes what do you do here? haha greetings argue a lot lol um thwap each other with trout complain about gnome that too ;) hey sounxds like most IRC'rs and generally whine at one another oh and sometimes we discuss gnu enteprise issues :) ahhh an normal family |darks| (nobody@pD950F5F1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds ahhh ok so tell me more about gnu ent. please i know about gnu but what ir your channel about who doesn't ') ;) gnu rules man we are the enterprise arm of gnue :) er gnu is it linux based? or any platform we try to write portable code goodc it is pretty portable GNU Enterprise (GNUe) is a suite of tools and applications for solving the needs of the enterprise. From human resources, accounting, customer relationship management and project management to supply chain or e-commerce, GNUe can handle the needs of any business, large or small. If you are looking for a full-function ERP, GNUe is the package for you. any one here of purebasic? Beyond applications, GNUe is a development framework that enables enterprise information technology professionals to customize applications for their businesses. The GNUe platform boasts an open architecture and easy maintenance. It gives users a modular system and freedom from being stuck with a single-source vendor. Plus, users get consistency and the ability to tap into a network of best practices from other enterprises, saving e development time. GNUe is a Free Software project with a corps of volunteer developers around the world working on GNUe projects. This provides the added benefits of easy internationalization of applications. The project is working to provide a worldwide GNUe community, allowing everyone who is involved in the project access to other talented business information technology professionals. yes works on linux and windows and other places too :) nope what is it its a basic compiler have you heard of Rapaid-Q? nope heard of basic q-basic workstation basic its a GNU GUI Basic Compiler bizrules gnome basic kbasic and thats it well it between the Q and V basic's lol RoDude (~None@209-130-169-138.nas1.DES.gblx.net) left #gnuenterprise. i need to run bye bye derek (dneighbo@cpe-24-221-56-186.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "um my gnue tree is bigger than your gnue tree" rapid-q a new thing? mMmmm.. Spiced Rum, Soynog, nutmeg, and cinnamon cool Isomer (dahoose@210-86-56-90.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) got netsplit. gnuebot (eggdrop@mail.libertydistribution.com) got netsplit. gnuebot (eggdrop@mail.libertydistribution.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. 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Nick change: Maniac -> ManiacZ lvogel (~lvogel@cx229913-e.phnx3.az.home.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hiya chillywilly (danielb@d20.as11.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds chillywilly_ (~danielb@d132.as7.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. how come when I try to use cvs I get an error "failed to create lock directory" blah blah blah? anybody? class? anybody? Ferris? Bueller? problem on the cvs server i think hmm what CVSROOT did you use? anoncvs? the full thing I followed the instructions from the website cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs@subversions.gnu.org:/cvsroot co gnue seems to be a cvs server problem well poop ajmitch: ? ajmitch: Want something checked? I want to d/l it jbailey: yeah [ajmitch @ ajmitch cvs] cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs@subversions.gnu.org:/cvsroot co gnue cvs server: Updating gnue cvs server: failed to create lock directory for `/cvsroot/gnue' (/cvsroot/gnue/#cvs.lock): Permission denied cvs server: failed to obtain dir lock in repository `/cvsroot/gnue' cvs [server aborted]: read lock failed - giving up that's what I got jbailey: ah yesh, you have access to that server, don't you Yeah. I'm not as familiar with the current setup, but I can at least see what the permissions say and make a more complete bug report. righto Nick change: chillywilly_ -> chillywilly i guess i could have filed a savannah bug report too :) ajmitch: You don't appear to be in the gnue group. jbailey: i'm not jbailey: why would i be? oh, duh. anoncvs. =) sorry is anoncvs in the gnue group? yes, you can checkout via anoncvs chillywilly: not at the moment well you;re supposed to anyway somtiemes subversions sucks yes, we know that, but jbailey's trying to sort stuff out so it might work umm, really? is that why it says that on my screen? :P no, he's just checking it if all else fails I can put a cvs snapshot on my web site Action: ajmitch wonders why he bothers sometimes ;) it's working here with a different cvsroot yes why do you bother? you ove me too much love even :pserver:anoncvs@subversions.gnu.org:/home/cvs that's why mustn't have changed that one properly i do? That would do it. =) 'cause it really does look setup right. well I sure can't update via ssh with a real account either it is just hanging there no symlink? does /cvs point to /home/cvs? They're recently removed all the deprecated symlinks. My anoncvs checkout is working fine. why is /home/cvs still working then? with what root? yet /cvsroot/gnue doesn't? :pserver:anoncvs@cvs.gnu.org:/cvsroot/gnue co gnue hostname makes no difference? Shouldn't. It's not that kind of protocol/. it shouldn't yeah now it's woikin lvogel: Did you do anything different? jbailey's post did it for me they b0rked write access stuff for me too now does that matter? yes it does :pserver:anoncvs@cvs.gnu.org:/cvsroot/gnue co gnue -- this worked i think they're trying to stop you screwing with the GNUe source ;) heh masta probably wants me to do something ok, so it was missing the /gnue off the cvsroot that's why might want to update the web page You can skip the extra /gnue when you're using SSH because of a permissions trick, but it's not really correct. yep just managed to get write access to the dotgnu repository last night ssh key cut & paste didn't work right ;) how'd you do that? :P for the debs? yeah it's just the website oooh that's no fun ;) why? they won't let you muck with any code? Sounds like me with the Hurd. =) there is no code in the 'dotgnu' project, it's all in subprojects hehe I know Although I guess I've committed a patch now to mig. sheesh ajmitch and now i'm committed to learning GNOME 2 coding ;) i have two weeks before the gstreamer 0.3.1 release is planned with the new mediaplayer Nice. =) should be lotsa fun ;) i don't mind, it's not too hard a few of us are planning a wireless network for next year so what's the story behind the module "language" stuff why is it in its own language? you mean .gcd files? yea it is really odl object description language i.e., idl + some OO stuff so why not just use .odl instead of .gcd? there are a few differences, but it's quite close, right? lvogel: it does not strictly follow the ODMG spec partly cos you haven't had the ODMG spec to follow ;) ummm, yea that could be why ;) where do I get started on learning the architecture of this I woudl say module guide the new forms docs wouls also help would what do I read docbook docs with in linux those you have to convert to somthing readbale like ps html or whatever db2html file.sgml for example so you have to install the docbook crap or got a cmd that will do that recursively, or do I have to do it file by file you can read neilt's guide on his web site lvogel: you just process th emain file it does all the rest ack, what a pain yes, that's why we normally make html docs and put them on the site docbook is a pain why not start with man/info pages as a base and man2html/info2html them why this docbook jazz not ym decision jamest had all doc sin texinfo then they decided to change to docbook docbook can actually export to texinfo too Yeah, now I have to learn docbook. *sigh* But hopefully we can finally be done with that texinfo crap. =) what a friggin mess jbailey: you don't like texinfo? GabeW (~gwachob@12.236.92.153) joined #gnuenterprise. lvogel: go to http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~neilt/GNUeModuleGuide/main/gnuemoduleguide.html good idea |darks| (nobody@pD950F525.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey: My biggest problem with texinfo is that it's an incomplete markup language and development is happening too slowly. Other things like docbook have come back and swepped past it. my problem is it takes me more than two seconds to tinker with it just so I can look at it properly :) ok docbook? Like include files are messed up. I want to include code examples in documentation. But part of that is that I want them all in seperate files so that I can include them in my 'make check' run. (Make sure my docs are accurate). No facility for this in texinfo. or texinfo? they sure would look pretty in a KDEHelp-style setup that 's sgml --- Fri Dec 14 2001