jcater (jason@24.92.70.201) left irc: "nite" laurie (~laurie@24.221.112.50) joined #gnuenterprise. anyone here use mame before reinhard (~rm@62.47.45.239) joined #gnuenterprise. brb, must switch to gnome, cant handle kde anymore :0 laurie (laurie@24.221.112.50) left irc: "Client Exiting" laurie (~laurie@24.221.112.50) joined #gnuenterprise. much better :) hey laurie what have you done to derek? ;) locked him in the closet where he belongs lol btw just for the logs that dumb jerk tried to make me use KDE today, can you believe that? i believe that porting geas to windows IS a priority btw: what are you doing up so early? or so late? ;) for the logs? hmmm guess i should tell derek to read those huh :) um it's 8:16 a.m. for me laurie: tell derek i appeared so he knows its time to go to bed reinhard: gack its 12:30 here i thought it was like 22:00 and was thinking man reinhard is in early this morning :) :) s/12:30/00:30 Nick change: laurie -> derek man apt is addictive in fact it makes things so clean at times i think debian should just ship with kernel and networking out of box and just apt-get things as you 'need' them :) derek: i no problem with 12:30 i can handle am/pm :) reinhard: im sure you can but slowly im breaking my bad american habits one of which is telling time stoopidly :) it seems silly to have to say am / pm it leaves ambiguity when you leave it out and is 'confusing' and makes it more of a pain to do math on time diffs spanning the 12 hour blocks ex: i worked from 4 to 8 how long did a work? well was it 4:00 to 20:00 or 4:00 to 8:00? anyhow... americans are dumb when it comes to time and measurement we made systems that are harder to do caluclations : :) the most illogical thing for me is that after 11:59 am there comes 12:00 pm and after 12:59 pm there comes 1:00 pm :) my analog wrist watch is has dials for 24 instead of 12 so getting used to it though my wife hates when i recite time now that way :) im doing upgrades so cant readily browse web, what was the geas discussion? that had to do with a windows port? my 2 cents um there were some ppl that said that a windows port was important windows port is mandatory (some day) and others that said its not priority but geas needs a LOT to get to production usage state i agree and i say that those efforts take all priority over portablibility (in my mind) it needs a lot i.e. a geas that works on nothing is no good and while doing this lot we have to consider portability i mean when i now work on geas and write new code a geas that works on something but with a little work could work elsewhere is much better :) yes i take care that the new code is easily portable i dont think we should 'ignore' portability but for now i don't actively "port" it exactly the BEST situation would be someone that is a good C programmer in WINDOWS to come along with interest and actively just try to compile and fix things that are issues on windows i still have 170 installs of my old prop software that i support that wouldnt normally be submitting 'code' to geas of which i guess about 100 will converted to gnue someday and of these 170 about more than half are single-user single-machine windows installs :) well i took a different stand on client (forms) sure as i thought working on both almost from beginning was very important as i suspect the majority of peopple using gnue will have 'some' if not 'all' windows clients _everyone_ will probably have some windows clients somewhere yes what you said :) asking them to get ONE server for linux isnt the end of the world asking them to replace every desktop isnt reasonable :) but as soon as a company has more than 2 computers already they can run geas on a os but none the less geas should run on windows :) and those only owning a single pc must run geas on windows... exactly ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.231) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds sigh of course doing debian upgrade and my modem decides to run abnormally slow.... bbt Nick change: derek -> dnZzzz heh Nick change: chillywilly_ -> chillywilly Action: chillywilly drank a whole pitcher of beer tonight I knew my words would get twisted around of course I believe in writing portable code just saying that to put energy into porting to windows is not a priority but whatever who the hell am I anyway read: put enenrgy into right now ;) but actually porting to windows should happen and it should not be a PITA so in essense I agree with you ppl and to assume i don't is to make an 'ass' of 'u' and 'me' ;P goof night fellow gnuers night chilly happy hacking chillywilly (danielb@169.207.135.21) left irc: alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: Client Quit alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: Client Quit alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: "Client Exiting" ra3vat (~ds@195.239.64.206) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.206) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: "Client Exiting" l8r all reinhard (rm@62.47.45.239) left irc: "All things being equal, fat people use more soap" ra3vat (~ds@195.239.64.57) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.57) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds Isomer (dahoose@210.86.56.71) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: Client Quit Isomer (dahoose@210.86.56.71) left irc: Client Quit Isomer (dahoose@210.86.56.71) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Isomer (dahoose@210.86.56.71) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds jeromes (~jerome@217.136.169.74) left #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.237) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds jcater (~jason@24.92.70.201) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@158.152.23.141) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey_home (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) alexey_home (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@158.152.23.141) left #gnuenterprise. hey jcater Nick change: dnZzzz -> derek can someone explain how Red Hat 6.2 i run sndconfig and it finds my sound card and makes work no issues and i get brand new debian run sndconfig on SAME machine and it tells me it can find the card but doesnt know where it is er what it is and so that it wont work ra3vat (~ds@195.239.64.15) joined #gnuenterprise. derek: always complaining :) SachaS (~sacha@203.190.196.98) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). reinhard (~rm@62.47.45.239) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@158.152.23.141) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (ds@195.239.64.15) got netsplit. jcater (jason@24.92.70.201) got netsplit. chillywilly (danielb@169.207.134.37) got netsplit. 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Maniac (~most@24.82.132.209) returned to #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@158.152.23.141) left #gnuenterprise. reinhard (rm@62.47.45.239) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds reinhard (~rm@62.47.45.239) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey_home (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: "Client Exiting" alexey_home (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater: something like that its just ruining my plans to get wifey off windows :( ah i would try alsa but i dont even know where to start :( i just want plug and play sound for her machine :( sorry dude I haven't gotten sound working under linux yet (on any machine) so I'm no help :( i have had it working on EVERY machine i have ever had running redhat w/o an ounce of fuss the 3 debian machines i have had ZERO luck Action: jcater has never actually tried :) and i KNOW its not hardware as all 3 debian machines had redhat before that owrked just fine :( are you loading the modules into the kernel? I think it does work at my workstation at work, but I had to go into modconf first and select my sound chipset Action: jcater is shooting in the dark here :) sigh sndconfig on redhat did that for me i think here its not 'autodetecting' when it comes to kernel i dont even what to go there when someone says 'load modules' into the kernel Action: jcater didn't even know about sndconfig :) to get BASIC devices to work i think (linux is not ready for home user) :) I never said it was :) derek: what is your sound chipset? beats me i shouldnt HAVE to know that :) is it built in to the mb? yes you have the mb manual? or another thing to try is cat /proc/pci hahahaha manual hahahaha Action: mdean thwaps derek Bus 0, device 12, function 0: Multimedia audio controller: Unknown vendor Unknown device (rev 16). Vendor id=13f6. Device id=100. Medium devsel. IRQ 5. Master Capable. Latency=64. Min Gnt=2.Max Lat=24. I/O at 0xec00 [0xec01]. nice what kernel version? laurie@grapevine:~$ less /proc/version Linux version 2.2.19pre17 (herbert@arnor) (gcc version 2.7.2.3) #1 Tue Mar 13 22:37:59 EST 2001 /proc/version (END) d00d! no wonder! i was running an OLDER kernel under rh when sound on this worked : d00d thats the kernel from SID :) 2.4 has much better sound support tell me how to upgrade the kernel and i will chillywilly has a debian kernel howto, doesn't he? I've only done it via source BUT be warned i plan on writing an article that says linux is NOT even close to ready for a desktop not administered by someone else Debian is not for the desktop UNLESS you have 'friends' to help Mandrake is much easier to set up ok then tell me the tool .... and is pre-configured to the hilt what tool? btw: i used sndconfig on redhat and use it on debian and it doesnt work so what is the diff ? i.e. if mandrake is easier... to setup sound do an "apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4.16" what tool do they use i will try it Mandrake uses kudzu I think latest redhat uses kudzu too or does it not? which is a general purpose hardware config utility jcater: I think it does kudzu's a bitch tho on a server as unplug the mouse and kudzu comes up :) Mandrake tends to try and be redhat compatible heh chkconfig --del kudzu ;-) dudes i've got a question if i have a date field and i enter no date kernel-image-2.4.16-k6 - Linux kernel image for version 2.4.16 on AMD K6/K6-II/K6-III (i am talking about geas btw) is that what i want jcater? if you have a k6, then yes what would you expect in the database to be stored in the respective column? um, null NULL 0/0/1 12:00 a.m. or NULL NULL ok null that was my guess too model name : AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor reinhard: :) is K6 no? derek: yup yup however geas stores 0/0/1 12:00 a.m. Action: derek HATES hardware, i just program the machines we pay someone else to make them run :) jcater: stop it! sorry didn't mean to ;-) so just apt-get install thatimage and im done? but i am happy that you agree that that makes no sense yip reinhard: are you testing against mysql or postgres? will i have to reboot? i read it from the source derek: yes it does so for all db backends ah Action: derek is nervous this is first 'kernel' upgrade w/o installing a new versin of redhat : ) if it works derek: well, hopefully it will keep a safe bootable image for you and then sound works yeah, it does my writeup will be very good in one aspect :) it will create a LinuxOLD lilo option so you can reboot into old kernel jcater: cool - that'll come in handy as being able to upgrade the core of a machine w/o having to 'reinstall' is a foreign concept ;) even for redhat users I've done tons of kernel upgrades, coming from a slackware background does that to a person I've put a 2.4 kernel on all my debian machines using that apt-get (unless they now have some nifty kernel util other than source) and they all worked right the first time btw, you need a 2.4 kernel to do iptables jcater: its me we are talking about iptables wrox! and I recommend a basic iptables for every machine NOTHING works 'the first time' even your wife's mdean: yeah, I've only been an iptables convert for a few weeks but it rocks my socks have either of you gotten mame working? no time :( mame seems to work, but every rom i try seems to fail when I'm not gnueing, derek: hehe - I just compiled it this morning my wife expects me to spend time with her :) jcater: me either, but my wife is a VIDEO GAME JUNKIE go figure SO a working mame with her favorite games will help soften the 'transition' derek: are you sure mame knows how to find the roms? im doing i.e., they're in a place mame is looking? xmame rom.zip won't work derek: btw, for your article, it's EASY to do stuff under debian... the problem is you DON'T KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN! they have to be in a certain directory and it seems to unpack them on the fly but then about half way through claims it cant find things bbl reinhard (rm@62.47.45.239) left irc: "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there" jcater: generally i agree :) mdean: only docs i was finding were fro win32 :( i thought mame started on linux derek: did you go to the xmame page? but if you look at their stuff you wouldnt even know that it ran on linux xmame all their stuff is windows windows windows xmame i went to mame.net xmame as thats where MAN XMAME told me to go :) x.mame.net? cool btw: how hard is it to get joysticks to work under ;linux; mdean: xmame? :) the best port of mame was on BeOS Action: derek shudders at the thought derek: never tried - don't have games that use joysticks and I use keyboard in mame what is this You are attempting to install an initrd kernel image (version 2.4.16-k6) This will not work unless you have configured your boot loader to use initrd. As a reminder, in order to configure lilo, you need to add an 'initrd=/initrd' in your /etc/lilo.conf I repeat, You need to configure your boot loader. If you have already done so, and you wish to get rid of this message, please put `do_initrd = Yes' in /etc/kernel-img.conf. Do you want to stop now? [Y/n] ram disk sigh that's the one manual task I had to do hehe is put "initrd=/initrd" in my /etc/lilo.conf you might want to do that, btw :) it doeesnt exist in mine where do i add it? sounds like it ;-) anywhere... it's not part of a "section" OK ASFASDJF:LKJ WHAT THE FSCK put it up top MY CAPS KEY AINT ON BUT I AM ALL CAPS derek: stop yelling it will get better ;) shift key stuck? your ; came out : yip dont know how smacking it hard 5 or 6 times 'undid' it be sure to rerun "lilo" after changing lilo.conf :) ja - that is very important otherwise you'll wonder why you keep booting the old image ;-) initrd=/initrd is added at top now save and just run lilo grapevine:/home/laurie# lilo Fatal: /initrd: neither a reg. file nor a block dev. [1]+ Done emacs /etc/lilo.conf grapevine:/home/laurie# that doesnt look good grapevine:/home/laurie# lilo Fatal: /initrd: neither a reg. file nor a block dev. grapevine:/home/laurie# is that normal? Action: mdean doesn't use initrd... initrd=/initrd did the apt-get finish? is in my lilo no it didnt i didnt say continue yet ah well say continue sorry :) ok if i dont come back for a while you know things didnt go well :) it'll be fine ;-) do i need to edit /etc/kernel-img.conf derek: worst case, I can fedex you a windows install cd :) um I didn't derek: be sure to /sbin/lilo first to add do_initd = yes no i guess thats only if you KEEP getting that message AFTER you fix lilo /boot/initrd.img does not exist. Installing from scratch, eh? Or maybe you don't want a symbolic link here. Hmm? Lets See. I notice that you do not have initrd.img symbolic link. I can create one for you, and it shall be updated by newer kernel image packages. This is useful if you use a boot loader like lilo. Do you want me to create a link from /boot/initrd.img-2.4.16-k6 to initrd.img?[Yn] yes or no? yes hehe - "Installing from scratch, eh?" vmlinuz.old is not a symlink, not clobbering A new kernel image has been installed, and usually that means that some action has to be taken to make sure that the new kernel image is used next time the machine boots. Usually, this entails running a ``bootloader'' like grub, SILO, loadlin, LILO, ELILO, QUIK, VMELILO, ZIPL, or booting from a floppy. A new kernel image has been installed. LILO sets up your system to boot Linux directly from your hard disk, without the need for booting from a boot floppy. WARNING If you are keeping another operating system or another version of Linux on a separate disk partition, you should not have LILO install a boot block now. Wait until you read the LILO documentation. That is because installing a boot block now might make the other