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<madlocke> hey jamest
<jamest> hey
<jamest> madlocke: you still here?
<madlocke> jep
<jamest> you got your savannah account up?
<madlocke> didn't try it yet but i did configure it...
<madlocke> i was reading in kc that you are working on rewrite of forms?
<jamest> the UI rewrite?
<madlocke> yes
<jamest> yes
<madlocke> hm... me too ;)
<jamest> well
<jamest> i didn't read the last KC
<jamest> but the rewrite shouldn't reference me but gnue in general
<madlocke> but what i am doing will maybe break the structure of the .gfd files
<jamest> as it's really just cleaning things up and making it play nice with your stuff
<madlocke> ah ok...
<madlocke> what i am doing now is a different way of linking objects
<jamest> typically the rewrite is mentioned allong with "we've got this guy doing an HTML interface"
<jamest> :)
<madlocke> and integrate a layout manager...
<jamest> I'd love to get this in cvs
<madlocke> some parts work already... want to show it to you after i added a few more things
<madlocke> ;)
<madlocke> the html works with the new version too
<jamest> ?
<madlocke> and it can be possible to use x,y coordinates and layout manager
<jamest> what do you mean
<madlocke> not at the same time of course
<jamest> :)
<madlocke> hm... at the moment i call it locally forms.new
<madlocke> could add this to cvs...
<madlocke> i need maybe 1 or 2 more days then i want to show you what i did...
<jamest> is it a whole new you isystem
<madlocke> yes
<jamest> argh!
<jamest> not at you
<jamest> at the xchat replacement of you i
<jamest> instead of UI
<jamest> :)
<jamest> musta put a space in there
<madlocke> ok...
<madlocke> the creation of objects will be much more transparent
<madlocke> und separation between uibase und wxpython is more clean
<madlocke> it is not that you won't see anything that is already done
<jamest> can you put in cvs?
<madlocke> but the way is different
<jamest> and does it break lots of stuff
<jamest> ?
<madlocke> tomorrow... i want to finish some things today and don't want to bother with cvs now...
<madlocke> some things not everything...
<jamest> ok, I just confirmed that you do have cvs write privs
<madlocke> for example the tab pages are not a type of form they are child objects
<madlocke> so you can have buttons and more besides tabs on a form
<jamest> ah
<jamest> is this working with the wxPython driver as well?
<madlocke> the wxpython driver changed a bit ;)
<jamest> that's ok
<madlocke> it is a new one :)
<jamest> however I need to fix some things in the UI system for a form I'm working on
<madlocke> i want to get rid of this phase init stuff...
<jamest> I'm not sure how you can do that
<jamest> we had a single init at one time
<madlocke> you won't be able to replace everything yet... i may need some help to link objects to database etc...
<jamest> but kept having to kludge in work arroungs
<jamest> arrounds
<madlocke> if i understand it right the main reason for phase init is because you don't
<madlocke> have all information at time for object creation
<madlocke> that is needed. right?
<madlocke> for=of
<madlocke> or did i miss something?
<jamest> yes
<jamest> but it's not just at the UI level
<madlocke> it's connections datasources and so on, isn't it?
<madlocke> connections=connecting
<jamest> yes
<madlocke> ok...
<jamest> it's several places
<jamest> i can't recall all of them 
<madlocke> sure...
<jamest> i haven't touched a computer (other than twice) in the last approx 2 weeks
<madlocke> first thing i'll do is visual stuff, then look at the parser again
<jamest> and then only to make sure the stuff at work didn't blow up
<jamest> hmmm
<madlocke> that's good... then i hope you had a great holiday. happy new year btw. :)
<jamest> I was planning on working on fixes on the UI for forms today
<jamest> as I needed to fix checkboxes for a form I have here at wotk
<jamest> work
<madlocke> do the work because it needs some time to replace things...
<jamest> I also needed to fix scrollbars
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<madlocke> i have enough time to do much work on it now... but it is much work ;)
<jamest> :)
<madlocke> ok.. so i will continue now and show you things soon...
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<jamest> morning
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<jcater> jamest?
<jamest> hate to ruin your day
<jamest> but I'm back baby!
<jamest> and refreshed
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<plc5_250> hi folks, is there anyone in here who can answer a question about gnumeric?
<jamest> not that I know of
<jamest> we're gnuenterprise.org
<jamest> not gnumeric
<jamest> sorry
<plc5_250> thanks jamest - was trying anything gnu-related...
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<derek> welcome back jamest 
<derek> we were ready to call you as we were worried
<jamest> lol
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<ToyMan> dneighbo: you around?
<dneighbo> yip
<dneighbo> kind of anyhow :)
<dneighbo> digging into financials here
<ToyMan> hi
<ToyMan> my access db is freaking
<ToyMan> grows to like 10x it's original size over the course of a day
<dneighbo> suffice to say if someone needed a fund accounting package in gnue i could probably produce one quickly
<dneighbo> yikes
<ToyMan> any progress on the psql 7.1 install
<ToyMan> ?
<dneighbo> have you made any changes recently?
<ToyMan> nope
<dneighbo> no progress, BUT based on your comment right now i will put it on highest priority
<dneighbo> i.e. i will start it tonight
<ToyMan> i shut everyone down and compact 3x a day
<ToyMan> ok, thanks
<dneighbo> btw: iirc this is a known bug of access
<dneighbo> er maybe im thinking of quicken
<dneighbo> one of the two we called htem and they said your db is HOW big
<ToyMan> first time i'm seeing it after 2 years of use
<dneighbo> and they said dood you are fscked
<dneighbo> basically the internals couldnt handle the size and would reek havoc
<dneighbo> we ended up having to pull out a years worth of data to archive
<ToyMan> hmm. original size is only 2 MB
<dneighbo> hmm that isnt too big at all
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<dneighbo> we were at like 75mb
<ToyMan> i've kept the screens and code seperate from the data
<ToyMan> so it isn't growing
<dneighbo> im thinking it was quicken now that i think about
<dneighbo> er quickbooks rather
<ToyMan> seems to be generating all sorts of ~*.* files
<ToyMan> that don't show up in the db
<ToyMan> with hidden objects on ;)
<ToyMan> but they're there
<dneighbo> oh what this is windows stupid me
<dneighbo> reboot pc
<dneighbo> upgrade to microsoft xp
<dneighbo> and office xp
<dneighbo> and if it is still a problem call 1-800 shaft you support line
<dneighbo> ;)
<ToyMan> heh
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<nickr> shaft!
<nickr> damn right
<dneighbo> oh schiest
<dneighbo> toyman have you changed any of your queries?
<dneighbo> or do you maniuplate queries on teh fly?
<dneighbo> msdn is claiming that EVERY modificatoin to a query in code or other wise writes a whole new query
<dneighbo> and saves the old one
<ToyMan> yes
<dneighbo> created the ~*.* files i assume
<dneighbo> if you compact the db it will remove those
<ToyMan> yeah, but how to get them to show in the db?
<dneighbo> as you are finding out
<dneighbo> they dont show there
<dneighbo> you have to 'code' around it
<dneighbo> let me get you the technical doc
<dneighbo> dood we need to save you this is just horrid
<ToyMan> oh, wait!!! I'll just right a little shell script and call it with a cron job and...oh, MS, never mind
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<dneighbo_> ok
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<dneighbo_> In general, your database grows in size as you work on the design of its objects. For example, repeated modifications to the design of a table, form, or report cause a database to grow; compacting the database restores it to a smaller size. However the growth is faster and more dramatic when you change the SQL property of a query, or if you change the SQL statement in the RecordSource property of a form or report. 
<dneighbo_> This is because the Jet database engine generates a new query plan each time you change the SQL, and the new plan is saved to an unused portion of your hard disk. 
<dneighbo_> This behavior is reported frequently in databases that use SQL pass-through queries because application developers will often modify the SQL property of a query in code to change a parameter passed to a SQL Server stored procedure, for example, or to change an Insert, Update, or Delete statement. 
<dneighbo_> i assume you have probably been running a report(s) that have this passthru type of code
<ToyMan> hmmm. not really sure.
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<dneighbo_>       Sub TestQDF()
<dneighbo_>          Dim i As Long
<dneighbo_>          Dim qdf As QueryDef
<dneighbo_>          Dim db As Database
<dneighbo_>          Set db = CurrentDb()
<dneighbo_>          Set qdf = db.QueryDefs("qryPassThruTest")
<dneighbo_>          For i = 1 To 3000
<dneighbo_>             qdf.SQL = "sp_test " & Chr(34) & i & Chr(34)
<dneighbo_>          Next
<dneighbo_>       End Sub
<dneighbo_> would be an example of code that would create 3000 new files
<ToyMan> well, no code like that, anyway.
<dneighbo_> so i assume if you use QueryDefs() you are getting bitten
<dneighbo_> let me find a the article
<ToyMan> no QueryDefs()
<dneighbo_> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q165823
<dneighbo_> im not an access expert but this sounds vaguely like the symptoms your seeing
<dneighbo_> the question is 
<dneighbo_> a. how to tell whats causing it specifically
<dneighbo_> b. how to fix it
<dneighbo_> as compacting your db a few times a day just sucks
<ToyMan> thanks i'm checking the page out now
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<dneighbo_> i think even doing this
<dneighbo_>     strSQL = "SELECT * FROM OnOrder;"           ' get all top level product on order quantities
<dneighbo_>     Set RSProds = dbs.OpenRecordset(strSQL)     ' get them in a recordset
<dneighbo_> creates a single file
<dneighbo_> depletePart
<dneighbo_> function in module1
<ToyMan> well, plenty of that type of code
<dneighbo_> does something similar btw where it runs through an record set
<dneighbo_> oops maybe not, me needs to have eyes checked
<ToyMan> wait... is that quoted from my code???
<dneighbo_> yip 
<ToyMan> no wonder it looked familiar
<dneighbo_> i assume you have some offending function or report that really does this
<dneighbo_> and you have been running that report or function more than normal lately?
<dneighbo_> and why you are now seeing it?
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<dneighbo_> as it might have always existed just you didnt do it very often
<ToyMan> hmmm. not sure.  I'll have to look around a bit
<dneighbo_> and your regular compacts were cleaning it up?
<ToyMan> nothing changed much in the way we use the app
<dneighbo_> you running year end reports of some kind?
<ToyMan> yeah, the compats are working
<ToyMan> no
<dneighbo_> hmmmm
<ToyMan> none of those
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<ToyMan> just point me at Redmond
<dneighbo_> microsoft doesnt advertise this tool but it solves problems :)
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<dneighbo_> toyman any resolve?
<dneighbo_> or you just falling back to 'compacting' regularly
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<ToyMan> just doing a compact every 2 hours
<ToyMan> no time to fix if i'm gonna replace it anyway
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<dsmith> Anyone here care to comment on the differnt python postgres modules?  reliability? speed?  clarity of code?  Any preferences?
<jamest> sure
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<jamest> the postgresql one is the worse :)
<Isomer> rofl
<jcater> I've had good results with pypgsql
<jcater> I'd recommend either that or psycopg
<jamest> agreed
<jamest> postgresql driver has issues with python db API 2.0 support
<jamest> however we typically run forms thru with all of them so any of them should work
<jcater> if you have any use for GNue Forms on Windows, the pypgsql comes precompiled for win32
<dsmith> Thanks Guys
<jcater> fwiw, psycopg is supposedly more tuned for high-throughput server-based situations, so if/when GEAS uses gnue-common, i'd imagine it might be the library of choice for server-side stuff
<jcater> but I haven't actually done any timing myself :)
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<dneighbo> i prefer psycopg
<dsmith> I'm using psycopg, probably because it said DB-API-2.0 in the debain package description.
<dsmith> Seems to work, though I haven't stressed it much.
<dneighbo> im using it cause it was the first one that worked :)
<dsmith> heh
<dneighbo> after my upgrade to a cvs like version of python
<dneighbo> i couldnt get most of the others to compile easily
<jcater> :)
<jcater> apt-get python2.1-psycopg python2.1-pgsql work quite well :)
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<dsmith> Good man!
<Mr_You> hello
<jcater> howdy, partner
<chillywilly> debian rocks my socks
<dneighbo> jcater im all with you there
<dneighbo> BUT my redhat box cant seem to understand the concept of apt :)
<dneighbo> and it surely doesnt understand rpms (damn ximian red carpet)
<nickr> buahaha
<dneighbo> so i get to use source which im finding i like quite a bit
<dneighbo> it opens a whole new world for me wrt submitting bugs no one else can find
<chillywilly> lol
<chillywilly> it's best to keep da masta away from your source
<chillywilly> gah, how do you break lines in emacs when you go back and edit the thing ans it does not autowrap?
<chillywilly> s/ansand
<chillywilly> s/ans/and
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<Mr_You> wow, argentina has had 5 presidents in 14 days
<jbailey> chillywilly: M-q
<chillywilly> thanks
<Mr_You> via succession
<Mr_You> sigh stupid HDs makin me mad
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<dneighbo> hi ho hi ho 
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<dneighbo> its off to home i go
<jamest> fine
<jcater_> :)
<jamest> i no more than get here and people start leaving
<jamest> :P
<jcater_> I just got here
<dneighbo> you and jcater arrived at almost identical time
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<dneighbo> i was looking for the camera here
<dneighbo> as i typed hi ho hi ho and then dropped something and just as i looked up to hit enter both of you arrived
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<dneighbo> btw: its really wonderful now i get good spam snail mail
<dneighbo> lately i have been getting 3 copies of EVERYTHING
<dneighbo> one to me, one to james and one to lindsay
<dneighbo> jcater for some reason they dont send you a copy 
<dneighbo> bbl
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<jcater> huh?
<chillywilly> it's a joke in reference to carnivore
<chillywilly> I think
<chillywilly> because he has your identity now
<chillywilly> ;)
<chillywilly> or something
<jcater> k
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<neilt> hello all
<neilt> anyone here with Cisco experience?
<jbailey> Depends, what do you need.
<jbailey> IOS has alot of features
<neilt> i need to buy a firewall
<neilt> considering software add in to 1700 router
<neilt> any experience or thoughts
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<jbailey> The 1700 is the one with the encryption module in it, right?
<neilt> not sure?
<jbailey> Yeah, it's been a few years since I've looked at the different produce revs.
<jbailey> There was one in the 1700 range with had the VPN encryption in hardware.
<neilt> i think there is one 
<neilt> but not sure if we have that one
<neilt> forgot to look at the details before i left work
<jbailey> I used to use a 3640 for my firewall / NAT / HSRP box.  It was overkill.
<jbailey> We also had OSPF for three cities.
<Mr_You> anyone have any opinions as to whether a BSD based router shouldn't be used versus Cisco if you already have BSD machines in use?
<jamest> neilt: i myself don't use cisco firewall, however
<neilt> jamest:  because
<neilt> ?
<Mr_You> I guess if yer into throwing money at cisco training and support that would be the way to go
<jamest> when I was looking into options Theo (openbsd) claimed that a low end pc would outperform a cisco
<Mr_You> man these cherry cobler portions are smaller ugh.. so good tho
<neilt> in looking at the cisco specs that seems reasonable
<jbailey> jamest: That depends on the Cisco and what you're asking it to do.
<Mr_You> eatin dinner
<jamest> the thing I like about using a basic unix system as a firewall is I can make it do lots of stuff I'm not sure a cisco can do
<neilt> some of the low end ones are slo
<jbailey> The processors in the cisco IIRC aren't interrupt driven, so packet flow is smoother under load.
<jbailey> jamest: I can answer those questions. =)
<Mr_You> jamest: I'd say yes for multiple DS3 circuits.. I dunno the status of drivers for hardware greater than that... actually I'm assuming you
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<Mr_You> you're using internal CSU/DSUs, can always use external
<jbailey> I always use external ones, becasue the damned thing have a habit of dying on me. =)
<jamest> fwiw
<jbailey> At least then I can replace it without taking the whole router down.
<jamest> the main campus uses cisco routes, switches
<Mr_You> hot-swap PCI (supposedly) ;-)
<jamest> and it seems they replace "faulty" cards fairly frequently
<neilt> jamest: do you know if they are using the firewall software in the router?
<jamest> no clue
<jamest> my off the shelf P-133 w/ a couple of 3com cards has worked quite well for our department
<neilt> cool
<neilt> anyknow how the html forms are comming along
<jamest> and unless you've got a huge pipe 
<jcater> yeah, we have an elcheapo 133 w/3com and OpenBSD as our firewall
<jcater> never notice it
<jcater> (which is a good thing :)
<jamest> you can saturate the line with a p-133
<neilt> our pipe is dual t1's
<neilt> is that huge
<neilt> ?
<neilt> probably not
<jamest> that's 2.88 megabit IIRC
<jamest> 10base-t is 10MB
<Mr_You> they are bonded?
<jamest> megabit
<neilt> Mr_You: no
<Mr_You> how is load balancing done?
<neilt> not yet
<neilt> they are separate networks
<Mr_You> ahh
<jamest> so an old PC should work I would think
<neilt> but its on the TODO list
<jamest> if you have one laying arround
<jamest> but I am not an expert
<jamest> I'll just give it a "works for me" stamp
<jamest> :)
<Mr_You> neilt: how much utiliation on each circuit?
<Mr_You> utilization
<neilt> 0 on one, 100% on the other
<neilt> sorry thats not right
<neilt> dont know on the one being used
<Mr_You> wow, how many machines?
<neilt> one is also not used now
<Mr_You> 100% utilized with packetloss?
<neilt> dont know
<neilt> Our support folks just quit
<Mr_You> I use mrtg to graph usage
<neilt> so we are working to fingure all this out
<Mr_You> full T1s are usually a lot more than most orgs need
<neilt> we run active ecommmerce site
<Mr_You> even so ;-)
<jamest> Mr_You: untill upper management finds out about www.hotandwildteens.com
<jamest> :)
<neilt> exactly
<Mr_You> depending on the site, a couple million hits a day can only utilize around 384kbps+
<jamest> btw - i made up the url
<Mr_You> heh
<neilt> a least we do until jamest shuts it down :)
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<madlocke> jamest: you are here?
<jamest> yes
<madlocke> jamest: i have some ugly problems with wxpython. want to talk about this with some wxwindows/wxpython people. you are in contact with somebody of them?
<jamest> only on the mailing lists
<madlocke> ok... then i'll try there...
<jamest> what problems?
<madlocke> it's a problem with layouters...
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<madlocke> when trying to use a wxNotebook control inside a wxBoxSizer in a hierarchy
<madlocke> the sizers know the correct values for minsize but the controls don't
<jamest> you're using wxpython layout managers?
<madlocke> i works when the notebook is added to a frame...
<madlocke> yes
<jamest> ouch
<jcater> I don't think those are very stable/usable yet
<madlocke> ok... then i think i have to try my own...
<jamest> how would they work in a curses/html client anyway?
<madlocke> i have one that i want to use later for html...
<madlocke> see last msg...
<madlocke> i have some classes for own lm but when there are native classes i think it is not bad using them...
<jamest> ah, ok
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<jamest> wxpython isn't the sanest thing in the world
<jamest> it's got issues in several areas
<jamest> but we get a lot of bang for the buck in having a wxpython driver
<madlocke> what's the problem with tkinter? (i didn't use it yet... just asking)
<dnWork> <dneighbo> btw: its really wonderful now i get good spam snail mail
<dnWork> <dneighbo> lately i have been getting 3 copies of EVERYTHING
<dnWork> <dneighbo> one to me, one to james and one to lindsay
<dnWork> <dneighbo> jcater for some reason they dont send you a copy 
<dnWork> guess what came in mail today, some spam for jason :)
<Bill_H> jamest: how is Python from a "large" software development project now that you have had a few years to really dig into it?
<jamest> madlocke: i did some work in tcl/tk and quickly grew to dislike it
<jamest> madlocke: so I avoided tk when working w/ forms
<madlocke> this means there is no really good cross platform kit for python available, right?
<jamest> Bill_H: I may be bias, but i love python
<jamest> Bill_H: i don't think it's hurt us
<jamest> madlocke: wxpython isn't horrible it just has issues
<madlocke> ok...
<jamest> tkinter may be great
<Bill_H> Yea, I finally really used it in a data mining masters class and easily wrote some really powerful, readable code in just a few lines.  Just curious. 
<jcater> Bill_H: I came to the project 10 months ago, and quickly picked up exactly what they were doing
<Bill_H> If I want to do some GUI stuff with Python, what should I use?  tkinter? wxPython/wxWindows?  
<jamest> readable code?????
<jamest> what an odd concept....
<madlocke> jamest: maybe he is just talking about using different colors for code display. black on white instead of white on white... ;)
<jamest> :)
<jamest> I've only used wxpython under python, not the tk stuff
<jamest> and it's ok but has issues
<dnWork> i would say wx
<Bill_H> jcater: that is actually good feedback.  Good to know.  I keep telling myself I'm going to pull down the latest gnue stuff and read through it. time...its just time I need
<dnWork> i think its the best python UI out there
<dnWork> assuming you want to EASILY maintian portablity
<dnWork> the issues it has are minor in comparision to the features it has
<Bill_H> Engineers at my company did some gui python stuff but turned out to by Jython...still looked pretty cool...
<dnWork> i.e. MOST of the 'issues' lie in things more recently added to wx
<dnWork> btw is this bill hamilton?
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<Bill_H> Yep...I make it a point to logon and 'participate' (by the loosest sense of the word) every year or so wether you guys remember me or not!  hahahahaha
<Bill_H> Actually it takes me that long to figure out how to use my IRC client again.
<derek> rofl
<Bill_H> :)
<derek> well its good to see you lurking regardless
<Mr_You> heh
<Bill_H> Glad to be (or not be) here :)
<derek> gnue is quite usable at this point
<derek> only took a few years but hey, we still use sun dials to keep time around here
<Bill_H> derek: still doing work for the county?
<derek> yip
<Bill_H> jamest: you still at the college?
<derek> been digging into chart of accounts REALLY heavy now a days
<derek> too bad its all fund accounting
<derek> unless we can get a govt / non profit to be interested in gnue
<derek> it will be wasted knowledge
<jamest> Bill_H: yip
<Bill_H> I've always felt (and seen on the list) that it was at least nonprofit that would use gnue first.
<Bill_H> It is in the gov't price range.
<jamest> :)
<Bill_H>  BTW, the web site looks great.  Saw gnue mentioned on a slashdot snipit a week or so ago.  I'm sure you guys saw it.  It was part of an open source ERP thing.
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<derek> bbl wife hurt herself good i guess (back is out)
<derek> so i have kid duty for a bit 
<derek> if mdean shows up cuff him to his chair until i get back
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<jcater> mmmm
<jcater> that pizza sure was good
<derek> why is it every kid in the family wants something different for dinner when i have to do dinner?
<jcater> derek: I'm sure it's always like that... she just knows how to deal w/it better :)
<derek> jcater dont go there, i just had to choke down some gross ass premade cheese crisp thing that is kicking heart burn in already
<derek> and i only have 'generic' dr a. in the house
<derek> so teasing about pizza is like waving a fresh loin of meat in front of a rabid pitbull ;)
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<derek> i did manage to get one of the rugrats (the one that keeps me most busy) in bed though
<chillywilly> coo
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> chillywilly's coo'ing now
<jamest> he's a goodfeather
<chillywilly> nah das just be da way weez talk
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<derek> anyone catch psu's and sklein's exchange on 'questions to ask erp salesman'?
<derek> i thought it rather great
<jcater> yip
<jcater> :)
<derek> just put workorder in for someone to convert those to FAQ's
<derek> and posted on our website as a story
<derek> chillywilly: you bored?
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<jamest> corba rocks!
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<jamest> at least python orbit rocks!
<jamest> sigh
<jamest> using CORBA.TRUE or CORBA.FALSE segfaults the client every time
<jcater> you try CORBA.MAYBE or CORBA.WHYNOT ?
<jamest> :)
<jamest> i'll give it a shot as CORBA.WORKBITCHORDIE isn't functioning properly either
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<derek> rofl
<chillywilly> death to all cats!
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<derek> CORBA.MAGICEIGHTBALL()
<jamest> well, it's making it a bitch to work on the geas driver
<jamest> as before I could comment out the CORBA.FALSE and move on
<chillywilly> here I am friggin trying to restart pcmcia and al along it's my hub that is unplugged
<chillywilly> damn cats
<jamest> however the conditional code requires two boolean fields in a queryField construction
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<jamest> so I'm dead in the water
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<jcater> chillywilly: this is why I recommend goats instead of cats
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> the goats would chew through my network cables though
<jamest> anyone have geas running
<chillywilly> nope
<jamest> and care to try something
<derek> jamest: i had it runnig circa 2000
<jcater> I got it to compile
<jcater> once
<jamest> i need someone to confirm this segfault
<jcater> but that was 7 months ago
<jamest> as it only happens when I set a boolean 
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<chillywilly> I'll get the bugger running in a sec here
<chillywilly> k
<chillywilly> ?
<jamest> sure
<chillywilly> you running straight form cvs?
<chillywilly> from
<jamest> no
<jamest> hang on
<chillywilly> doh
<jamest> geas is from cvs
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> with the new parser?
<jamest> shit if I know
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<jamest> :)
<chillywilly> man this error in my library code is fucking driving me buts
<jamest> it's an old issue that i reported then ignored 
<chillywilly> nuts even'
<jamest> commited geas driver
<jamest> you can segfault forms 
<chillywilly> seems to compile
<jamest> if you enter a query and submit it
<chillywilly> cripes I hope I don't have to money too much with my postgres config
<chillywilly> monkey
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<chillywilly> Ishould be abel to do
<jamest> setup a seperate db for geas
<jamest> as it creates lots of tables
<chillywilly> psql servername
<chillywilly> ?'
<chillywilly> doh
<jamest> psql -h servername dbname
<chillywilly> anielb@obfuscation:~/src/cvs/gnue/geas$ psql frell.dyndns.org
<chillywilly> psql: connectDBStart() -- connect() failed: No such file or directory
<chillywilly> 	Is the postmaster running locally
<chillywilly> 	and accepting connections on Unix socket '/var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432'?
<chillywilly> oh
<chillywilly> yea
<jamest> it's segfaulting on GEAS.Query.Field function
<chillywilly> this is going to take a few minutes to setup postgres
<chillywilly> k?
<chillywilly> good thing you are here to force me into doing it ;)
<chillywilly> what's the command for adding a user to postgres?
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<jamest> createuser from the shell
<jamest> or
<jamest> create user bob with password 'monkeynuts';
<jamest> from psql prompt
<chillywilly> nice passwd ;P
<chillywilly> but I want goatwhore
<chillywilly> ;)
<chillywilly> hehe
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<chillywilly> woops
<chillywilly> time to rtfm
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<jamest> whoops
<chillywilly> hehe
<derek> jamest, want me to to test it
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<chillywilly> I am apt-getting the manual
<jamest> feel free to test
<chillywilly> no, I should set this up anyway
<jamest> and I can't go any further until this is fixed
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Action: chillywilly could fix the code too ;)
<chillywilly> did you do a back trace?
<chillywilly> with a core file?
<chillywilly> just curious
<jcater> jamest: what version of orbit/python-orbit you using?
<jamest> the latest in woody
<jamest> 0.3.1 IIRC
<jcater> http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/SourceForge/2313/0/7270776/\
<jcater> oops
<jcater> http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/SourceForge/2313/0/7270776/
<chillywilly> you only know where forms crashed right?
<chillywilly> man I am lagged
<chillywilly> that all popped up at once
<jamest> i dont' get that
<chillywilly> er?
<jamest> no core files
<jamest> no line dump
<jamest> just a segfault msg
<chillywilly> I thought you made GEAS crash?
<chillywilly> i.e., dump core
<jamest> no
<jamest> the client
<jamest> geas runs fine
<chillywilly> oh
<jamest> looks like jcater found the issue
<jamest> sigh
<chillywilly> ooooh
<chillywilly> heheh
<chillywilly> I can go back to getting goat raped?
<derek> so you dont need me to test?
<chillywilly> I think I know my problem
<chillywilly> inheriting from a singleton is stupid
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<chillywilly> doooooh!!!!!
<derek> since im on redhat tonight mine will probably work :)
<jcater> derek: you using compiled orbit or apt-get woody orbit?
<jcater> as supposedly 0.3.0 doesn't have this issue
<jcater> so if you have that version or earlier, this could confirm that it's this issue and not some jamest-specific stuff
<jcater> :)
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<derek> well im on 0.1.3 i think
<jamest> whoops
<jamest> actually
<jamest> nevermind, I am running 0.3.1
<jamest> ii  python2.1-orbit 0.3.1-3         Python 2.1 bindings for ORBit
<jcater> 2001-12-07  Roland Mas  <mas@echo.fr>
<jcater>    * src/marshal.c (marshal_boolean): fixed segfault in boolean
<jcater>      marshalling (Bugzilla bug #11, Debian bug #122619).  Patch by Jochen
<jcater>      Voss <jvoss2@web.de>, slightly edited.
<jcater>    * src/demarshal.c (demarshal_boolean): fixed potential segfault too.
<jamest> whoop!
<jamest> we'll be dependent upon cvs code!
<derek> any tricks to compiling geas
<jamest> no
<derek> jamest we have had this issue in the past
<jamest> just be sure and have a few small animals around
<derek> i think as we start to move forward we might want to control our own like ximian and others do
<derek> especially if some of these maintainers release as infrequently as we do :)
<derek> in case of orbit-python i would just distribute the .so
<jamest> we don't have the people for that :(
<jamest> i think i'll look at using cvs orbit-python in the morning
<derek> like we did for python (for embedding in geas)
<derek> btw: im not advocating we become dependent on cvs versions
<derek> just noting this could be more problematic as we advance
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<derek> so ./autogen.sh should just work
<derek> with no options?
<derek> checking whether ln -s works... yes
<derek> updating cache ./config.cache
<derek> ./ltconfig: ./ltconfig: No such file or directory
<derek> configure: error: libtool configure failed
<derek> [1]+  Done                    emacs INSTALL
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue/geas$ 
<derek> sigh libtool licks bag
<chillywilly> libtool is yo bizitch
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<derek> jamest: where do i get the small animal?
<derek> gcc -g -O2 -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wstrict-prototypes -o geas-server geas-skels.o geas-common.o geas-stubs.o geas-server.o geas-skeleton.o factory.o connection.o admin.o query.o objectlist.o dataobject.o exceptions.o transaction.o collectiondata.o security.o schema.o -rdynamic  ../lib/classdefs/libclassdefs.a ../src/classdef/libclassdef.a ../src/config/libconfig.a ../src/oql/liboql.a ../src/objectcache/libobjectcache.a ../src/obj
<derek> ore/libobjectstore.a ../src/methods/libmethods.a ../src/datamonitor/libdatamonitor.a -luuid -L/usr/lib /usr/lib/libgmodule.so -ldl /usr/lib/libORBit.so /usr/lib/libIIOP.so /usr/lib/libORBitutil.so /usr/lib/libglib.so -L/usr/lib/pgsql -lpq -L/usr/lib/mysql /usr/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.a -lnsl -lm -lz -lcrypt -lpython2.2 -lpthread
<derek> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lpython2.2
<derek> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
<derek> make[3]: *** [geas-server] Error 1
<derek> make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/dneighbo/cvs/gnue/geas/src'
<derek> make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
<derek> make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/dneighbo/cvs/gnue/geas/src'
<derek> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
<derek> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dneighbo/cvs/gnue/geas'
<chillywilly> eeek
<derek> make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue/geas$ 
<chillywilly> where's your python .so/
<chillywilly> ?
<chillywilly> geas is stupid and expects a .so
<derek> um it dont exist dude
<chillywilly> I figured that
<derek> im not on debian
<chillywilly> cause you built form source
<chillywilly> right?
<derek> so only way to get is to compile from source (which i did)
<derek> BUT
<chillywilly> same issue that i was helping that one dude with
<chillywilly> we need some better macros
<derek> you have to do a lot of hack arounds to make it produce an .so and im not recompiling it :)
<derek> is there a way to say
<derek> ./autogen.sh --screw-python
<chillywilly> you shouldn't have to
<jcater> derek: yes
<chillywilly> we need to fix our macros
<chillywilly> as they suck ass
<derek> jcater: how
<jcater> but you don't even have to go into geas directory to compile
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<jcater> we call it "two-tier"
<derek> rofl
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<jamest> lol
<jamest> wife is calling
<jamest> i'm gone for the nite
<jamest> l8r
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<jcater> which was funny?
<jcater> the wife calling?
<derek> :)
<dsmith> Grrrr!
<dsmith> If anyone cares to know: I HATE NT!!
<jcater> hate is such a strong word
<jcater> esp when in uppercase
<chillywilly> you 2-tier beotches can lick my balls
<dsmith> I hope it's a VERY strong word.
<dsmith> Grrrrr.
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<chillywilly> install GNU/Linux and be happy
<chillywilly> :P
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<dsmith> When IBM relases a tsm server for Linux, I will.  Right now, it's AIX, Solaris, s390, hpux, and nt.
<chillywilly> tsm?
<chillywilly> too many tlas
<chillywilly> I dunno wtf a tsm is
<dsmith> Tivoli Storage Manager: ibm's "enterprise" backup
<chillywilly> is that named after a guy named Tivoli?
<dsmith> Tivoli is like an ibm subsidiary that does software management stuff.  Like snmp and all kinds of junk I know nothing about.  I just know about backups!
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<dsmith> It's my "day job".
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<dsmith> And I've been here since 9:30am and it's 11:00pm now. :(
<chillywilly> :'(
<dsmith> Sorry for being a grouch.
<chillywilly> no way in hell would I be at work that long
<chillywilly> fuck that....the man can only squeeze so much out of me ;P
<jcater> chillywilly: then don't ever become a sysadmin or anything related :)
<chillywilly> I don't plan on it
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<chillywilly> but I also was referring to my current shitty job
<chillywilly> which I don't even want to be art
<chillywilly> at
<chillywilly> coding for 12 hours is fun
<chillywilly> ;)
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