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<Mr_You> morning
<jamest> nite
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<ra3vat> hello all
<StormBringer> ra3vat: hello
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<Yurik> re
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<chillywilly> masta
<chillywilly> http://www.gnome.org/applist/view.php3?name=GTablature&prevpage=listrecent.php3&entrylimit=20
<chillywilly> GTablature ;)
<chillywilly> Package name: GTablature Current version: 0.0.1 Description: GTablature is a tablatures (guitar partitions) editor and player destined to Linux-user guitarists; it can be see as a Tabledit clone. GTablature is entirely written in Python.
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<jamest> reinhard: hows the euro treating you?
<reinhard> i think you can read it from my response time ;)
<jamest> lol
<jamest> that bad eh?
<reinhard> actually it's good
<reinhard> i work from 8:00 a.m. to 9 or 10 p.m. daily
<reinhard> and can bill all of the time
<reinhard> so i will probably fulfill the year's income budget within the first month or so
<reinhard> so i will be able to take my time to play with other stuff during summer
<jamest> lol
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<reinhard> ra3vat: lol
<reinhard> ra3vat: however working hours != billable hours
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<ra3vat> :)
<jamest> btw - has anyone seen madlocke lately?
<ra3vat> jamest: hope to see him in an hour on the other service
<jamest> other service?
<ra3vat> IM
<jamest> ah
<jamest> I missed him on Monday night (if he stopped by that is)
<jamest> and jcater and myself each have a changes we want to make to UI system
<jamest> mine involve some needs at work
<jamest> but neither of us want to start until we see what he's done
<jamest> as it'd be wasted effort
<jamest> if the code's changed too much
<ra3vat> jamest: ok, i'll tell him
<jamest> thanks
<jamest> sigh
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<jamest> whoop!
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<derek> dont forget it washes the family car
<derek> but not the family dog 
<derek> i mean after all its not emacs ;)
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<reinhard> l8r all
<reinhard> must go to customer
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<dneighbo> so jamest what you think of sun not supporting x86 hardware going forward?
<jamest> i think it's a good idea personally
<jamest> as solaris on x86 was kind of a joke
<jamest> very limited compared to what linux or the *BSDs offered
<jcater> hrrm
<jamest> jcater: whoops, sorry
<jamest> jcater: do you disagree or solaris x86 user?
<jamest> or = oh
<jcater> actualyl, I'm a little perturbed about the whole situation
<jcater> as we used oracle on sco/intel
<jcater> but oracle desupported sco
<jcater> so I asked Oracle, "What is your preferred intel platform?"
<jcater> "Solaris/x86"
<jcater> one year later...
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<jamest> "Solaris" <snicker, snicker, psst, bob, he's falling for it>
<jcater> "Solaris/x86 is being desupported. The new preferred intel platform is RedHat"
<jcater> of course, the year earlier when I asked oracle if RedHat would be a better platform, they snickered at me
<jcater> I personally detest Solaris/x86
<jcater> I'm just getting sick and tired of being desupported left and right
<jamest> jcater: use GNUe, we'll support whatever platform you choose
<jamest> :)
<jamest> oh , and postgresql
<jcater> I'm still slightly leary of postgresql
<jcater> anyone familiar with the other not-so-free-but-freer-than-oracle options
<jcater> like SAP-DB, Interbase, etc
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<dneighbo> interbase WAS very nice
<dneighbo> BUT its ridiculed w/ legal problems
<dneighbo> inprise said here have it to the community
<dneighbo> and when the community took them up on that and started to make REAL changes
<dneighbo> inprise took it back
<dneighbo> and a 'war' insued
<dneighbo> it has been 'tainted' ever since
<dneighbo> which is most unfortunate as i think interbase would have been a real gem
<dneighbo> i used it a lot as a 'borland' user and rather liked it
<dneighbo> it does some trans isolation stuff that even oracle couldnt support
<dneighbo> and they had a local interbase
<dneighbo> that was FULLY compatiable 
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<dneighbo> btw: i aways thoguht they should have made interbase free and called it freebase...
<dneighbo> then the developers could say they were into 'freebasing' and not be telling lies
<ra3vat> l8r
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<dneighbo> has anyone here installed sap db?
<dneighbo> jcater: im considering doing so on a machine around here
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<jcater> I've installed it, but not actually used it
<jcater> I've heard positive things
<jcater> of course, if SAP R/3 can run on it, I suppose I can ;)
<dneighbo> well thats my thinking
<dneighbo> in looking at the licensing its GPL
<dneighbo> w/ the api stuff as LGPL
<dneighbo> looks like they readily support php/python/C/C++
<dneighbo> and we support it in gnue (in theory) :)
<dneighbo> for some enterprises that are a little larger it might be easier to sell sap db over postgres
<dneighbo> as there is a 'company' behind it
<dneighbo> and the good enough for R/3 good enough for me 
<dneighbo> not that im 'dissing' postgres ( i think that should still be the preferred for us)
<dneighbo> but i think it might be worth testing waters with sapdb even more
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<psu> hi
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<ToyMan> hey guys
<psu> hi Toyman
<ToyMan> psu, not seen you around here before, hi
<psu> I think time diff usually keeps us apart
<ToyMan> ah, yes, the UK ic
<psu> good ol' +0000
<ToyMan> have you ever used Rekall from TheKompany?
<psu> nope. tell me more
<ToyMan> -5.00 for me
<ToyMan> http://www.thekompany.com/products/rekall
<ToyMan> front end for db
<ToyMan> db admin
<psu> Y
<psu> interesting
<psu>  very similar in concept to GNUe Forms
<psu> It even likes the same dbs (postgresql & mysql)
<psu> and script lang (python) as us
<dneighbo> ToyMan  please please use gnue instead :)
<psu> rekall is non-free 
<ToyMan> but not too much $$$
<dneighbo> yes i think pg_access should be suitable alternative
<psu> basically you get the source 
<psu> but still have to pay per seat
<psu> They are obviously aware of both BSD and GPL licenses
<psu> & imply they use them for other products
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<psu> if you have to go proprietary
<psu> I would prefer to license on server capacity or num of transactions
<psu> paying per seat can get you into a trap
<psu> where you want to have modern business processes 
<jamest> pgaccess suxs
<psu> but can't afford the licensing
<jamest> there I said it
<psu> so you end up doing your workflows on paper
<psu> and just having a central punch facility
<jamest> i wouldn't use pgaccess unless I was forced to
<jamest> as it's slow, unstable, and very, very unfriendly (at least what I've seen of it)
<ToyMan> jamest, any good alternatives?
<dneighbo> ToyMan there is a web alternative
<dneighbo> was mysqladmin
<dneighbo> but now i think supports much more
<ToyMan> hmm. whatever.  I was just looking around
<dneighbo> i saw someone elsewhere too remind me when i get home
<dneighbo> btw: i hope gnue will include some tools liek this
<dneighbo> to 'manage' db's
<dneighbo> its just not 'high' priority
<ToyMan> i just need something in between stupid and command-line commando
<dneighbo> i think you might find in many ways psql to fit that bill
<dneighbo> it is command line
<dneighbo> but is pretty straight forward
<dneighbo> but i think i recall a gui tool getting good review 
<dneighbo> i will dig for it at home
<dneighbo> btw: your conversion starts for real thursday :) (on my local machines)
<dneighbo> have cleared off other work to get you moving
<dneighbo> jcater: added much needed menu navigation
<dneighbo> and since i we dont need to be 0.1.x compatiable date masks should be there too for some playing
<ToyMan> that sounds good
<ToyMan> will you need the new file structues?
<dneighbo> i.e. the stuff that was 'hold' up kind of stuff from an architecture standpoint is seeing light
<ToyMan> structures
<dneighbo> yes i will need them
<dneighbo> provide when you can
<dneighbo> i can start w/o them
<ToyMan> hmmm.
<ToyMan> cd burner is down...
<ToyMan> maybe just bite the bullet and get a new one
<ToyMan> 'k, i'm outa here..
<ToyMan> big planning board meeting tonight
<ToyMan> final approvals on the new factory
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<psu> ok, debian newbie question coming
<psu> I'd ask in #debian, but 
<psu> everyone here seems to not rate them
<psu> If I've used tasksel to install GNOME
<psu> is it poss/likely that I don't have a window manager installed?
<psu> It's behaving very oddly and 
<psu> asking for enlightenment all the time
<psu> dselect suggests enlightenment isn't installed
<dneighbo> dood i had similar HELL
<dneighbo> i had to hand job it
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<psu> as I feel a hypocrite doing KC in Windows Notepad
<psu> most of the time
<nickr> you ebil person
<Isomer> rofl
<Isomer> psu: you BAD BAD Boy :)
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<jamest> apt-get install sawfish-gnome
<jamest> sigh
<jamest> I'm too slow
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<jamest> everyone has permission to dislike jcater
<nickr> anetuhanoetuhnhnthnt
<nickr> ~v
<nickr> ~,.
<jamest> as he quit so he can move his HD to his shiny new Athlon 1700
<nickr> woop
<dneighbo> dick
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<nickr> damn it feels good to be a gangsta
<psu> james - should I uninstall enlightenment & install sawmill
<psu> or run both together?
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<psu> Athlon man arrives ;-)
<dsmith> psu: My box ran soooo much faster after I dropped E for blackbox.
<Mr_You> re
<jcater> :)
<jcater> Athlon 1600 + 512Mb ram + GeForce 2
<jcater> yeah, I'm pimpin'
<jcater> my employees really know how to irritate me
<jcater> they got my hard drive out of my old computer
<jcater> and pretended to do a Win2000 install
<jcater> "as part of the upgrade":
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<psu> slobber, slobber, slobber
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<psu> That look so much better
<jamest> sigh
<jamest> not to be a /. weenie
<jamest> but did anyone see the vote rigging
<dneighbo> jamest yes and was laughing
<jamest> the 3rd bullet point kills me
<dneighbo> what was it?
<jamest> when people click there from a Microsoft Exchange email message, Exchange helpfully gives us the subject line and username.
<dneighbo> btw: jcater i have sapdb isntalled but cant seem to figure out how to use it
<dneighbo> jamest : ah yes that one was funny
<dneighbo> i think they release a lot of this info on purpose to a degree
<dneighbo> let me retract that, i think they can be as brash as they wish about things
<dneighbo> if they get caught they PR machine simply spins it in favor of their trial
<dneighbo> example:
<dneighbo> the poll
<dneighbo> a. they stuff the ballots to get people to believe everyone else wants .net so people adopt cause they think everyone is
<dneighbo> a. if they dont get caught people adopt cause of the FUD
<dneighbo> b. if they get caught they use it in their DOJ case, 'competition is so fierce' that others are beating us and we had to resort to last ditch just to get a foot in the market....
<dneighbo> another example:
<dneighbo> lead sales man get FUD on linux spread to your staff asap via an email
<dneighbo> a. if you dont get caught everyone in the org understands how to fight linux
<dneighbo> b. if you get caught it only enforces that competition is so steep we have to avhe 'action' plans to compete and the DOJ will see this and ease off
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<dneighbo> i REALLY think M$ is in a no lose situation right (immediate term)
<dneighbo> as users are just too unwilling to hold a grudge regardless
<dneighbo> <me continues rant>
<dneighbo> i see microsoft as being a monopoly like the telephone or electric company at this point, if im a home or office user its too 'hard' to get out of the grip
<dneighbo> example: what would you do if your electricity provider in your next bill told you that rates were going up 25%
<dneighbo> pretty much you would have two choices:
<dneighbo> a. pay the increase
<dneighbo> b. go w/o electricity from them
<dneighbo> but in case b, there isnt much alternative other than 'home' generated power
<dneighbo> i would venture to say 98% of homeowners woudl swallow the bitter 25% pill and still consume energy
<dneighbo> (btw: if you dont believe me simply look to northern california and pg&e for samples :)
<dneighbo> <end rant>
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<nickr> long live fuel cells
<jamest> l8r
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<reinhard> night all
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<dneighbo> jcater you around?
<jcater> surely
<jcater> notice how fast I typed that?
<jcater> it's my new Athlon
<jcater> ;)
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<jamest> word!
<chillywilly> sup g muney
<jamest> maybe even excell!
<chillywilly> nooooo!
<chillywilly> abiword
<chillywilly> maybe even gnumeric
<jamest> chillywilly: private joke, sorry
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> don't know why you are apologizing though
<jamest> didn't want to imply I use excel
<chillywilly> not like my feelings are hurt just becaus you have an inside joke with someone
<jamest> i use kspread or staroffice
<chillywilly> not openoffice?
<jamest> well
<chillywilly> staroffice is non-free
<jamest> staroffice on solaris
<jamest> openoffice on linux
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> whatever, I am not in the gustoppo mood
<chillywilly> ;)
<chillywilly> you are safe today
<chillywilly> :P
<jamest> whew
<chillywilly> no one expcts the GNU inquisition
<chillywilly> expects
<chillywilly> gah
<chillywilly> damn goats
<jamest> GNU inquisition = chillywilly with a copy of vrms and a bat
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> dude
<chillywilly> guess what song is playing?
<chillywilly> "join us now and share the software..."
<jamest> the rodeo song
<chillywilly> lol
<chillywilly> yep
<jamest> got a heater in my truck
<chillywilly> no
<chillywilly> rms techno remix homey
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<jamest> or however south park's song put it
<chillywilly> you ever hear the rms techno remix?
<jamest> no
<chillywilly> heheh
<chillywilly> you have heard the the Free Software song?
<jamest> no
<chillywilly> bah
<jcater> 'sup
<jcater> ?
<chillywilly> what's wrong wiht you
<jamest> my pulse
<chillywilly> whatever
<chillywilly> jcater: you have heard the Free Software song?
<jcater> aka, freebird?
<chillywilly> no
<chillywilly> sheesh
<chillywilly> you ppl work on a GNU project and never heard the Free Software song
<jcater> I'm debating on whether to buy win4lin or not
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<jcater> anyone ever use it here?
<chillywilly> megadeth is good
<chillywilly> jcater: just say no to drugs
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<chillywilly> werd
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<Mr_You> hmm wondering about seeing a movie
<jcater> go for it
<neilt> jamest:  you around
<jamest> yes
<Mr_You> LoR, hmm last showing started at 7:45 it seems.. so I guess not
<Mr_You> maybe tommorow
<Mr_You> found another theater
<Mr_You> bbl
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<jbailey> chillywilly: (reading backscroll)  I have a techno remix of the Free Software Song.
<chillywilly> that's cause you rock
<chillywilly> you're a real FS guru
<chillywilly> ;)
<jbailey> Have you heard it?
<chillywilly> what?
<jbailey> The remix.
<chillywilly> of course
<chillywilly> it's in my playlist
<chillywilly> thought you said you read the log ;)
<jbailey> Ah, I missed that.
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<kreiszner> derek: help
<jamest> kreiszner: what do you need?
<kreiszner> I was installing the gnue stuff with dereks help the other day and we got to the point that we had to install python fromsource I have tried to do that and now I have some error mesages
<kreiszner> our last conversation went like <derek> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=6473&release_id=66587
<kreiszner> <derek> you want PyXML-0.7.tar.gz
<kreiszner> <derek> you just tar xzvf PyXML-0.7.tar.gz
<kreiszner> <derek> then cd PyXML-0.7
<kreiszner> <derek> then do
<kreiszner> <derek> python2.1 setup.py build
<kreiszner> <derek> then
<kreiszner> <derek> python2.1 setup.py install
<kreiszner> <derek> and that should install it for you
<kreiszner> <derek> then go back to GNUe-Forms-0.1.0/
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<kreiszner> <derek> and do python2.1 setup.py install
<kreiszner> <derek> and if its successful you should be able to do a gfclient -v
<kreiszner> <kreiszner> OK I will be out of town through next tues starting sat evening or sunday but I will try to download and intall in the meantime I am saving all this in a word procwessor file.
<kreiszner> <derek> er gfclient --version
<jamest> so you have python installed?
<jamest> btw - what OS?
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<kreiszner> Red Hat 7.2
<jamest> hmmmm
<kreiszner> I know I know
<jamest> i didn't mean anything
<jamest> just supprised they don't have rpm's for this stuff
<chillywilly> they do
<chillywilly> go to the rpmfind site
<chillywilly> I bet you can find them there
<jamest> kreiszner: so where are you at in the install?
<kreiszner> They do. There was a prob and derek said the source could be solution.
<jcater> I don't think PyXML has an rpm for Python2.1 though
<jamest> sigh
<jcater> I think that's the issue most ppl have
<jamest> we need to be rid of pyxml some day
<jamest> when we did it I figured that pyxml (being a python SIG) would actually be included in python
<jamest> silly me
<jcater> lol
<jcater> that still blows me away
<kreiszner> evrything installed fine but the gfclient --version gives me som ?
<jcater> kreiszner: what errors are you getting?
<kreiszner> [root@localhost GNUe-Forms-0.1.0]# gfclient --version
<kreiszner> Traceback (innermost last):
<kreiszner>   File "/usr/local/bin/gfclient", line 39, in ?
<kreiszner>     from  gnue.forms.GFClient import *
<kreiszner>   File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFClient.py", line 40, in ?
<kreiszner>     from gnue.forms.GFInstance import *
<kreiszner>   File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFInstance.py", line 39, in ?
<kreiszner>     import gnue.common.GConfig
<kreiszner>   File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/common/GConfig.py", line 37, in ?
<kreiszner>     import GDataObjects
<kreiszner>   File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/common/GDataObjects.py", line 340
<kreiszner>     self._currentRecord += 1
<kreiszner>                          ^
<kreiszner> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
<jamest> you're running python 1.5.2
<kreiszner> what does all this mean
<jamest> it does not support += syntax
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<jamest> you say you installed python2.1
<kreiszner> I was and then I downloaded and installed Python 0.7 and installed 2.1 as per above instructions
<jamest> hmm
<jamest> python 0.7?
<kreiszner> the source PyXML-0.7.tar.gz
<jamest> ok
<jamest> could you please do 
<jamest> more `which gfclient`
<kreiszner> [root@localhost GNUe-Forms-0.1.0]# more 'which gfclient'
<kreiszner> which gfclient: No such file or directory
<kreiszner> is that what youwant
<jamest> um
<jamest> how about 
<jamest> which gfclient
<kreiszner> k
<jamest> without the more
<kreiszner> [root@localhost GNUe-Forms-0.1.0]# which gfclient
<kreiszner> /usr/local/bin/gfclient
<jamest> ok now
<jamest> more /usr/local/bin/gfclient
<jamest> and the first line should read something like
<kreiszner> does which find th directory
<jamest> eys
<jamest> yes
<jamest> #!/usr/local/bin/python
<jamest> something like that depending upon your install
<kreiszner>  File "/usr/local/bin/gfclient", line 39, in ?
<kreiszner> this is what I got from gfclient --version
<jamest> a small gnuef victory note : I'm replacing a system that had ~ 4700 lines of c and 1450 lines of tcl
<jamest> with a 320 line gfd file
<jamest> the gfd does more
<jamest> :)
<jcater> hurray!
<kreiszner> less is best
<jamest> kreiszner: what did the command
<jamest> more /usr/local/bin/gfclient
<jamest> show?
<kreiszner> do you want the whole thing here, it says gnue is free etc
<jamest> nah
<jamest> just the 1st line
<kreiszner> [root@localhost GNUe-Forms-0.1.0]# more /usr/local/bin/gfclient
<kreiszner> #!/usr/bin/env python
<jamest> ok
<jamest> now type 
<jamest> python
<jamest> and it should print the version number on startup
<kreiszner> Python 1.5.2 (#1, Jul  5 2001, 03:02:19)  [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2 on linux-i386
<kreiszner> Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam
<jamest> ok, so forms is definately using your old python
<jamest> which will never work
<jamest> we moved to 2.x series so remove 1.5.2 hacks in the code
<jamest> hmmm
<jamest> you did install python2.x 
<jamest> did it put it in /usr/local/bin?
<jamest> the new python
<kreiszner> yes supposedly from source
<jamest> ok, try this command
<jamest> /usr/local/bin/python
<kreiszner> how do you quit python
<jamest> control-d
<kreiszner> got it
<kreiszner> [root@localhost GNUe-Forms-0.1.0]# /usr/local/bin/python
<kreiszner> bash: /usr/local/bin/python: No such file or directory
<jamest> man
<jamest> i wonder where it put it
<jamest> does the command 
<jamest> python2 
<jamest> work?
<kreiszner> [root@localhost GNUe-Forms-0.1.0]# python2
<kreiszner> Python 2.1.1 (#1, Aug 13 2001, 19:37:40)
<kreiszner> [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2.96-96)] on linux2
<kreiszner> Type "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
<kreiszner> >>>
<jamest> rock!
<jamest> ok
<jamest> this is going to be easy to fix
<jamest> just run the setup.py in the common and forms packages like this
<jamest> python2 setup.py install
<kreiszner> does that mean in the forms folder
<jamest> you running cvs code or the last release?
<kreiszner> [root@localhost Ken4]# ls
<kreiszner> Desktop                        GNUe-Forms-0.1.0         wxBase-2.3.2-1.i386.rpm
<kreiszner> doc                            GNUe-Forms-0.1.0.tar.gz  wxGTK-2.3.2-1.i386.rpm
<kreiszner> doc.doc                        Mesa-3.4.2-3.k6.rpm      wxGTK-gl-2.3.2-1.i386.rpm
<kreiszner> GNUe-Common-0.1.0              PyXML-0.7                wxPython-2.3.2.1-1-Py21.i386.rpm
<kreiszner> GNUe-Common-0.1.0.tar.gz       PyXML-0.7-2.1.i386.rpm   wxPython-gl-2.3.2.1-1-Py21.i386.rpm
<kreiszner> GNUe-Designer-0.1.0-debug.exe  PyXML-0.7.tar.gz
<jamest> ok
<kreiszner> what does that say
<jamest> cd GNUe-Common-0.1.0
<jamest> python2 setup.py install
<jamest> cd ../GNUe-Forms-0.1.0
<jamest> python2 setup.py install
<jamest> gfclient --version
<jamest> first 4 commands will probably have to be done as root
<jamest> (at least the python2 setup.py install part :)
<kreiszner> it said not copying a whole bunch of stuff 
<jamest> btw - you may have to reinstall the dependencies if they got stuck in the 1.5.2 install
<jamest> so that they use the python2 stuff
<jamest> kreiszner: that's ok
<kreiszner>  this is first[root@localhost Ken4]# cd ../GNUe-Forms-0.1.0
<kreiszner> bash: cd: ../GNUe-Forms-0.1.0: No such file or directory
<kreiszner> [root@localhost Ken4]# cd GNUe-Forms-0.1.0
<kreiszner> [root@localhost GNUe-Forms-0.1.0]# python2 setup.py install
<kreiszner> Checking for PyXML.... OK
<kreiszner> Checking for available UI drivers....
<kreiszner>   Pyncurses(Currently not working).... No
<kreiszner>   Curses(Currently not working).... OK
<kreiszner>   wxPython.... OK
<jamest> looks goof
<jamest> goof = good
<kreiszner> [root@localhost GNUe-Forms-0.1.0]# gfclient --version
<kreiszner> Traceback (innermost last):
<kreiszner>   File "/usr/local/bin/gfclient", line 39, in ?
<kreiszner>     from  gnue.forms.GFClient import *
<kreiszner>   File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFClient.py", line 40, in ?
<kreiszner>     from gnue.forms.GFInstance import *
<kreiszner>   File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFInstance.py", line 39, in ?
<kreiszner>     import gnue.common.GConfig
<kreiszner>   File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/common/GConfig.py", line 37, in ?
<kreiszner>     import GDataObjects
<kreiszner>   File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/common/GDataObjects.py", line 340
<kreiszner>     self._currentRecord += 1
<kreiszner>                          ^
<kreiszner> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
Action: jamest smaks head on desk
<jamest> ok
<jamest> more /usr/local/bin/gfclient
<chillywilly> old python
<jamest> chillywilly: we just reinstalled w/ python2.1
<chillywilly> you're still ugin 1.5.2 somehow
<chillywilly> using
<chillywilly> then why doesn't it liek that operator?
<chillywilly> it like
<jamest> chillywilly: no, you are correct
<jamest> I'm just saying we tried to fix what
<chillywilly> that's a python 2.x addition
<jamest> what = that
<jamest> and it didn't take
<jamest> :(
<chillywilly> I saw ;)
<jcater> for some reason, on redhat systems python's distutils doesn't change the #!/bin/env python to the install specific python
<jcater> we've seen this happen at least one other time
<jamest> we have that in the FAQ?
<chillywilly> nope :(
<jcater> no, but this confirms it
<jcater> ;)
<jamest> kreiszner: what editor do you like?
<kreiszner> lately jed
<jamest> ok, you need to edit /usr/local/bin/gfclient
<jamest> and change the word python on the top line to python2
<jamest> then rerun it
<jamest> jcater: i wonder if it'll screw up the environment then too 
<jcater> ?
<jcater> this fix has worked in the past
<jamest> ok, cool
<jamest> kreiszner: btw - the release is old and some bad bugs in there - we're getting close to a new release
<kreiszner> [root@localhost GNUe-Forms-0.1.0]# gfclient --version
<kreiszner> GNUe Forms
<kreiszner> Version 0.1.0
<jamest> rock!
<kreiszner> is this what you wanted
<jamest> yes
<jamest> ok
<jamest> you still in the forms dir?
<jamest> if so
<kreiszner> yes
<jamest> cd samples/intro
<jamest> gfclient intro.gfd
Action: jamest crosses fingers and toes
<kreiszner> [root@localhost intro]# gfclient intro.gfd
<kreiszner> The gnue.conf file appears to be missing
<kreiszner> The file should be located in one of the following locations
<kreiszner> /usr/local/gnue/etc/gnue.conf
<kreiszner> /root/.gnue/gnue.conf
<kreiszner> /usr/local/gnue/etc/gnue.conf.fixed
<kreiszner> Missing GNUe config fileDB000
<jamest> ah, crap
<jamest> we need a smarter setup.py system
<jamest> cd /usr/local/gnue/etc
<chillywilly> or automake and autoconf
Action: chillywilly runs
<chillywilly> :P
<jcater> chillywilly: um, no!
<chillywilly> pfft
<jamest> chillywilly: but I wan't something smartter, not more of a pain in the ass to use
<chillywilly> real hackers use the GNU tools beotch
<chillywilly> oh plz
<jamest> i've used both
<jcater> um, and lets not forget Win32 support, and DOS, and Mac, and OS/2, and....
<jamest> autoconf/automake work but are far from smart
<jamest> as much as I hate distutils
<jamest> i hate auto* more
<chillywilly> because you are just a python weenie
<dsmith> jcater: Oh, go ahead and forget all that other crud!
<jamest> i prefer to think of myself as a recovering C user
<jcater> ?
<jamest> I used C cause I was young and all my friends were doing it
<jamest> :)
<jcater> kreiszner: cd /usr/local/gnue/etc; cp sample.gnue.conf gnue.com; cp sample.connections.conf connections.com
<jamest> jcater: whoops, thank you
<jcater> err, crap
<jcater> kreiszner: cd /usr/local/gnue/etc; cp sample.gnue.conf gnue.conf; cp sample.connections.conf connections.conf
<jamest> com?
<jcater> habit
<chillywilly> you help me fit that python code on a little PIC mirco and then we'll talk
<jcater> roflmao
<jcater> you think GEAS will fit on a PIC mirco?
<jcater> mwahahahahaha
<chillywilly> or we can talk after you finish that python OS
<chillywilly> or after you remove the glibc dependencies from python
<chillywilly> then we won't need C
<jamest> PIC mirco?  
<jamest> last embeded crap I did used assembler
<jcater> mmm
<jcater> assembler
<chillywilly> hell, I want python hardware
<chillywilly> damnit
<jamest> talk to sun
<jamest> maybe they'll pick up the javachip work with python
<jcater> we are actually using an app at NCS that I hand-wrote in x86 assembler
<jcater> it has menuing and everything
<jamest> ew
<chillywilly> embedded systems rule, and yes C is used punk
<jamest> jcater: i'm dropping out of this conversation now, it's getting too sick
<jcater> lol
Action: chillywilly is an engineer not a CS weenie
<jamest> menuing in assember
<chillywilly> embedded systems are sick?
<chillywilly> I wrote code for an FBI bug once
<kreiszner> jamest: done
<jamest> no, writing menuing systems are sick
<chillywilly> when I worked for that research place
<jamest> in assembler
<jamest> kreiszner: great
<jamest> does gfclient intro.gfd work now?
<chillywilly> oh
<kreiszner> you want me to edit the conf files
<chillywilly> heheh
<jcater> ah, good ol' intro.gfd
<chillywilly> they did wireless embedded systems
<jamest> kreiszner: nah
<jamest> should work out of box for now
<jamest> for the intro form
<chillywilly> gtk-gnutella rules
<kreiszner> [root@localhost intro]# gfclient intro.gfd
<kreiszner> The gnue.conf file appears to be missing
<jamest> sigh
<jamest> do you have a /usr/local/gnue/etc/gnue.conf
<jamest> ?
<jcater> kreiszner: can you do: ls /usr/local/gnue/etc
<jcater> oops
Action: jcater will butt out now
<jamest> jcater: no
<jamest> jcater: I'm spotty at best now
<jamest> jcater: doing gnue update on remote systes
<jamest> systems
<jcater> fun
<jamest> to unleash pre 0.1.1 upon the poor bastards
<kreiszner> apparently not[root@localhost etc]# cd /usr/local/gnue/etc/gnue.conf
<kreiszner> bash: cd: /usr/local/gnue/etc/gnue.conf: No such file or directory
<jcater> mwahahahahaha
<kreiszner> [root@localhost etc]# ls /usr/local/gnue/etc
<kreiszner> connections.com  gnue.com  sample.connections.conf  sample.connections.conf~  sample.gnue.conf
<jcater> oops
<chillywilly> anyway, I don't think the language you write something is as important as the design process and design documentation, which if done correctly could be implemented in logo even ;)
<jcater> I had a typo in my original commands
<jcater> cd /usr/local/gnue/etc; cp sample.gnue.conf gnue.conf; cp sample.connections.conf connections.conf
<chillywilly> or whatever that one goofy language jamest likes
<chillywilly> is called
<jcater> (I had you creating gnue.com instead of gnue.conf
<jcater> ..sorry)
<chillywilly> ;)
<kreiszner> k
<jcater> chillywilly: we've been saying language isn't important... it's the design" for a long time
<chillywilly> I know
<chillywilly> we rewrite GNUe in brain fuck
<jamest> man
<chillywilly> sure you have
<jamest> that's the langauge I'm most productive in
<jcater> I think we should reimplement in lisp, personally
<chillywilly> which one?
<chillywilly> brain fuck?
<jamest> yip
<jamest> just seems to click for some reason
<chillywilly> haw haw
<chillywilly> the whole purpose of that language is to melt your mind
<jcater> wow, chillywilly's vocabulary is improving
<jcater> "haw haw"
<jcater> next, it'll be "ga ga"
<jcater> before long, we'll have him saying "kde kde"
<chillywilly> oh, in your case
<chillywilly> do
<chillywilly> nuts
<chillywilly> never
<chillywilly> come jcater
<chillywilly> say it
<chillywilly> "doh - nuts"
<jcater> I'm way beyond that
<jcater> I can do "krispie kreme"
<chillywilly> prove it
<jamest> kreiszner: you regret stopping by IRC yet?
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<kreiszner> not really I am learning
<kreiszner> I have done the cp to conf for both files
<jamest> retry the intro.gfd then please
<chillywilly> yea, I apologize for jcater's behavior he gets ths way when he can't get his fill of donuts
<chillywilly> ;P
<jamest> and I apologive for chillywilly he gets this way all the time 
<jamest> apologize
<jcater> yeah, it's my preservative addiction
<jamest> but we still love 'tm
<kreiszner> [root@localhost etc]# gfclient intro.gfd
<kreiszner> DB000: Traceback (most recent call last):
<kreiszner> DB000:   File "/usr/local/bin/gfclient", line 42, in ?
<kreiszner> DB000:     GFClient().run()
<kreiszner> DB000:   File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFClient.py", line 118, in run
<kreiszner> DB000:     self.runForm(formfile, self.disableSplash)
<kreiszner> DB000:   File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFClient.py", line 145, in runForm
<kreiszner> DB000:     fileHandle = urllib.urlopen(formFile)
<kreiszner> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/python2.1/urllib.py", line 71, in urlopen
<chillywilly> hey you see that commercial about you are what you eat and this guy is trying to get through an escalator and he's gpt a donut around his waist
<kreiszner> DB000:     return _urlopener.open(url)
<kreiszner> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/python2.1/urllib.py", line 176, in open
<kreiszner> DB000:     return getattr(self, name)(url)
<kreiszner> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/python2.1/urllib.py", line 400, in open_file
<kreiszner> DB000:     return self.open_local_file(url)
<kreiszner> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/python2.1/urllib.py", line 413, in open_local_file
<kreiszner> DB000:     return addinfourl(open(url2pathname(file), 'rb'),
<kreiszner> DB000: IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'intro.gfd'
<chillywilly> no you don't
<chillywilly> don't lie
<jamest> kreiszner: you in the forms directories samples/intro dir?
<jamest> btw - nasty error dump there
<jamest> it shouldn't  do that 
<kreiszner> no /usr/local/gnue/etc
<jamest> ah
<jamest> please go back to the that intro dir
Action: chillywilly is a just a rebel without a cause...or cleu for that matter ;P
<chillywilly> clue
<chillywilly> damn it's 11pm already
<chillywilly> son of a
<kreiszner> where is the /intro 
<jcater> chillywilly: do you ever spend time w/the significant other?
<jamest> IIRC
<jamest> GNUe-Forms-0.1.0/samples/intro
<chillywilly> yes
<kreiszner> I got it
<chillywilly> why?
<jcater> and I don't mean the Simulator module you're working on
<chillywilly> is that really any of your damn business anyway?
<jamest> kreiszner: btw - sorry for the troubles....it is a 0.1.0 release :)
<jcater> ouch
<jcater> that bad?
<chillywilly> ;P
<jamest> <cough>
<jamest> I promise our 6.1.9 release will be easier to install
<kreiszner> what does btw mean
<jamest> by the way
<chillywilly> hey you guys love to talk about sex with your wives, but you never hear me ask about it or encorage it
<jamest> ??????
<jamest> we do?
Action: jamest looks arround
<jcater> chillywilly: I prefer not to talk about sex with my wife... I prefer to have sex with my wife
<chillywilly> masta and jc were
<chillywilly> they are some sick bastards
<chillywilly> whatever
<chillywilly> I don't need nor want a mental picture
<chillywilly> jcater: she's not your third cousin by chance is she?
<jcater> chillywilly: no!!!!
Action: chillywilly ducks
<jcater> second cousin
<chillywilly> lol
<chillywilly> damn skippy
<jamest> kreiszner: any luck?
<kreiszner> Hey I got a gnue forms window withwelcome
<jcater> rock!
<jcater> it speaks pig latin
<jcater> ;)
<jamest> kreiszner: welcome to our hell
<chillywilly> grooovy
<jamest> bwahahahaahhaah
<chillywilly> jcater: ?
<jcater> ?
<jamest> chillywilly our intro.gfd does pig latin conversion in the form
<jcater> oh, yeah
<kreiszner> does this meaning that in a month or so there can be productive work done
<jcater> plus it gives you a gnue fortune
<jamest> we're going to use it as our default encryption scheme
<chillywilly> heh
<jamest> kreiszner?
<jamest> in a month or so?
<jcater> productive work?
<chillywilly> no
<jcater> you asking us about productive work?
<jcater> lol
<chillywilly> rot13
<chillywilly> er
<chillywilly> rot13 twice
<chillywilly> that's the best there is dude
<chillywilly> ;)
<jcater> kreiszner: if you are asking whether forms is now usable on your machine, yes it is
<chillywilly> then you can charge more then adobe does for its ebook reader
<kreiszner> jcater: like keeping up with inventory or billing or something
<jamest> ummm
<jamest> we're not there yet
<chillywilly> any day now (tm)
<jamest> right now several of our tools work in 2-tier mode
<chillywilly> Real Soon (tm)
<jamest> and a person could write a inventory, billing, whatever with them
<kreiszner> 2-tier ? remember I newbie
<jamest> client server
<kreiszner> k
<chillywilly> cleint hist directly at database
<chillywilly> client
<chillywilly> hits
<chillywilly> blah
<jamest> i shouldn't post this
<jamest> but
<chillywilly> can't type
<jamest> http://www.math.ksu.edu/~jamest/school.jpg
<chillywilly> sleepy time
<jamest> is an example of a 2-tier app 
<jamest> where the form runs on a cient machine and accesses our database server at work
<jamest> this form pulls from 7 different tables
<chillywilly> the school going to whip you jamest?
<jamest> now most of our biz apps login is in geas
<jamest> which has a few issues
<derek> here now missed lots
<derek> kreiszner: glad the goatmen were able to help
<chillywilly> make sude psu doesn't put it in the KC ;)
<chillywilly> sure
<jamest> 1 - I can't get forms to play nice with it at the moment - segfaults on the client side
<derek> kreiszner: things will be productive by end of week
<jamest> 2 - performance
<derek> we will work on getting your postgres working and setup tongith if you have time
<derek> then get you using a data aware form
Action: chillywilly is about as helpful as a kick in the nuts
<derek> at which point you should see the ability to be productive :)
<jamest> derek - in the toot gnue horn catagory
Action: derek is back (gone 14:13:25)
<derek> ?
<kreiszner> I have some time before nite nite
<jamest> 320 lines of gfd file are replacing    4739 lines of C and 1451 lines of tcl/tk 
<jamest> and the gfd does more
<derek> gfd?
<derek> oh i get it
<derek> sorry was thinking geas (gnue)
Action: jamest smacks derek with a trout
<chillywilly> cool
<derek> but you are saying a gnue gfd is replacing a c program
Action: derek lubes up and removes head from ass
<jcater> hmm
<jamest> derek: yes, a 2-tier applicatoin
Action: jcater thinks derek has been having too much fun the last 14:13:25 hours
<chillywilly> poor poor geas
<derek> jcater: something like that
<derek> kreiszner: do a ps -ax 
<derek> er
<chillywilly> derek: heh, thanks a lot
<derek> 'ps -ax | grep postgre'
<kreiszner> jamest:  the form did come up that is pretty impressive as a user I can see all kinds of usefulnees here
<derek> and paste output here
<jamest> kreiszner: jcater whips that up real quick
Action: derek wants to fast track you getting postgres setup so we can show you the 'real power' muhahahahaa
<jamest> that's a 119 line gfd file
<kreiszner> can I do a ctr c in th e terminal to get the promt back
<derek> jamest: you are starting to sound like m$
<derek> shifting the numbers all the time
<derek> yes
<derek> kreiszner: yes
<jamest> well, that's not that impressize I guess
<chillywilly> well he is a proud owner of an xbox
<derek> or you can click on the X or whatever in your window manager to shut down the gfd and it will give you terminal back
<chillywilly> he has to keep his invest worth something
<jamest> the 40 line zipcode query form is data aware
<jcater> rofl
<jcater> we need a "size matrix" for form complexity
<jcater> each element counts as one, but complex entries count as 2
<jcater> and each line of a trigger counts as one
<jcater> "This form is a 65"
<jcater> "but replaces 2222 lines of C"
<jcater> ;)
<kreiszner>  derek[root@localhost Ken4]# ps -ax | grep postgre
<kreiszner>  2984 pts/2    S      0:00 grep postgre
<chillywilly> hehe
<jamest> what really rocks
<jamest> is when you can create a fully data aware form in minutes
<jcater> using designer's wizards ;)
<jamest> yes
<jamest> if you're fast on the buttons
<jamest> you may be able to get it under 60 secs
<jamest> for a simple one
<jamest> ;)
<chillywilly> I need to get my postgres working
<chillywilly> damn I'm lazy
Action: jamest hugs forms
<derek> anyone remember if redhat initizales postgres?
<chillywilly> do rpms have post install scripts now?
<chillywilly> redhat rpms
<derek> kreiszner: do
<derek> 'psql'
<derek> and tell me what happens
<chillywilly> iirc, when i used it back int he day it would not configure anything for me
<kreiszner> [root@localhost Ken4]# psql
<kreiszner> psql: connectDBStart() -- connect() failed: No such file or directory
<kreiszner>         Is the postmaster running locally
<kreiszner>         and accepting connections on Unix socket '/tmp/.s.PGSQL.5432'?
<chillywilly> that's yet another reason debian was so appealing
<chillywilly> he got no postmaster running I bet
<derek> im pretty sure postmaster is running based on postgres
<derek> but just to make sure do
<chillywilly>  don't think redhat will start it up for you
<derek> type /etc/rc.d/init.d/postgresql restart
<derek> paste the output
<kreiszner> [root@localhost Ken4]# /etc/rc.d/init.d/postgresql restart
<kreiszner> [root@localhost Ken4]#
<derek> ok now do 
<derek> psql
<derek> and tell me what it says
<jcater> nite all
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Action: derek checks his watch.....
<derek> someone call 911, i think cater just suffered from a krispy kreme overdose
<jamest> no, it's not 2am
<kreiszner> [root@localhost Ken4]# psql
<kreiszner> psql: connectDBStart() -- connect() failed: No such file or directory
<kreiszner>         Is the postmaster running locally
<kreiszner>         and accepting connections on Unix socket '/tmp/.s.PGSQL.5432'?
<derek> kreiszner: at least its consistent :)
<derek> do me a favor and type
<derek> su postgres
<derek> and tell me if you get a 
<derek> >
<kreiszner> [root@localhost Ken4]# su postgres
<kreiszner> YPBINDPROC_DOMAIN: Domain not bound
<kreiszner> bash-2.05$
<derek> jamest: help :)
<jamest> kreiszner: you at home computer?
<derek> the bas is good
<derek> s/bas/bash
<derek> but the domain thing is od
<kreiszner> jamest: yes
<nickr> derek: its safe to ignore that I think
<jamest> you seem to be running NIS (ypbind)
<derek> though your machine says localhost instead of a domain, so its probably not set
<derek> i think you are ok
<nickr> derek: it has to do with NIS
<kreiszner> jamest: actuall my home and work are same
<jamest> ah
<derek> jamest: if postgres will work w/o it lets leave it for now
<derek> and focus on postgres
<derek> kreiszner: then we will come back and clean that up after the fact :)
<jamest> it'll work
<derek> bash-2.05$ prompt
<derek> type
<derek> anyone remember?
<derek> is it adduser or createuser?
<jamest> createuser
<derek> its been a while since i did fresh postgres install
<derek> type 'createuser' :)
<derek> and rememember that username and password
<derek> when you create them :)
<nickr> postgres' authentication handling is annoying.
<derek> feel free to post the questions here and ask how you should respond
<derek> nickr: it makes me fell warm and fuzzy ;)
<jamest> mysql is worse though IMHO
<derek> jamest: we only talk about 'real' databases in this channel
<derek> fancy indexed file systems are anotehr channel
Action: derek can be brutal at times i know
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<nickr> haha
<nickr> amen, though
<kreiszner> user should be able to create dbs?
<kreiszner> Shall the new user be allowed to create databases? (y/n)
<jamest> typically I setup one db superuser that can do that
<jamest> normal users i don't allow to create databases
<kreiszner> am I setting up myself as su or a normal user
<jamest> i'd do a normal user
<jamest> then just use the postgresql account (like you're doing now) for a superuser account
<jamest> but again, it's personal preference
<jamest> the less power I give myself in a normal role the better I feel
<kreiszner> jamest: why
<nickr> sounds like a line of the beans song.
<nickr> generally its good practice to use the minimum possible level of power for any given action, so that if you mess up you don't break as much
<jamest> kreiszner: in my work database systems 
<jamest> if I run the command 'drop table foo;'
<jamest> as a normal user in the prod database nothing bad will happen
<jamest> as all tables in that database are owned by a admin account that no one logs into unless creating/removing tables
<jamest> so I save myself from myself and stupid errors
<kreiszner> can you still create tables from this account or do you have to do su
<jamest> you'll still be able to create tables
<jamest> just not databases
<jamest> (which contain tables)
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<kreiszner> Shall the new user be allowed to create more new users? (y/n)
<chillywilly> weird
<chillywilly> all of a sudden my keyboard wouldn't work anymore
<derek> kreiszner: generally i create one user that can do everything
<chillywilly> right when I started messing with xmms
<derek> then i create normal accounts that answer no to
<derek> since we want this to be simple more than anything for right now
<kreiszner> well I just put n for the crate database can i GO BACK
<derek> i would answer yes to this and the one before it
<derek> or if you answered no to one before answer no to this one too
<derek> then when done do another createuser for a super user type account
<derek> and answer yes to both
<derek> you cant go back
<derek> kreiszner: sorry i was away getting drink
<kreiszner> Shall the new user be allowed to create databases? (y/n) n
<kreiszner> Shall the new user be allowed to create more new users? (y/n) n
<kreiszner> psql: connectDBStart() -- connect() failed: No such file or directory
<kreiszner>         Is the postmaster running locally
<kreiszner>         and accepting connections on Unix socket '/tmp/.s.PGSQL.5432'?
<kreiszner> createuser: creation of user "kenneth" failed
<nickr> derek: it looks like its still an issue of the server not being run
<jamest> kreiszner: as root
<jamest> can you go to 
<jamest> /etc/rc.d/init.d
<jamest> and see if there is a postgres or postgresql file in there?
<jamest> I assume postgresql was from RPM
<nickr> <kreiszner> [root@localhost Ken4]# /etc/rc.d/init.d/postgresql restart
<nickr> <kreiszner> [root@localhost Ken4]#
<kreiszner> how do I wuit postgre..
<kreiszner> quit
<chillywilly> /etc/rc.d/init.d/postgresql stop
<derek> ctrl -c
<jamest> exit
<derek> or exit
<nickr> hehe
<jamest> nickr: you a RH7.2 user?
<chillywilly> my bad
<derek> jamest: he needs to edit his conf files
<chillywilly> don't listen to me
<nickr> jamest: no, that was a paste from a bit back
<chillywilly> I am an idiot
<nickr> I wouldn't touch RH wih an 8 meter pole
<kreiszner> [root@localhost init.d]# ls post*
<kreiszner> postgresql
Action: nickr plots to convert everyone secretly
<jamest> kreiszner
<jamest> ./postgresql restart
<derek> jamest: i think in red hat you have to do an 'initialize'
<derek> first
Action: derek goes to get his manual...
<nickr> you have to buid the base database
<nickr> thingy
<jamest> that'd be init_db
Action: derek also wonders why 'red hat is easier' :)
<jamest> IIRC
<derek> jamest: yeah that
<derek> :)
<kreiszner> hey guys if you want me in Dibian give me a couple days and I will be there
<derek> kreiszner: no, we want you to do red hat
<derek> for this machine
<jamest> kreiszner: you'd be traiding one pain for another
<derek> as its GOOD for us to have this experience
<nickr> we're spoiled.
<derek> it lets us know what to fix to make it easier for next red hat user
<derek> also we will get chance to get you debian on that corel box :)
<derek> when its time to get 'serious' :)
<kreiszner> [root@localhost init.d]# ./postgresql
<kreiszner> Usage: ./postgresql {start|stop|status|restart|condrestart}
<derek> kreiszner: one thign you will find (i will toot gnue horn) is that is group is about most knowledgable linux channel i have ever seen
<derek> guys that have been sysadmins for years learn new stuff in here, mostly because everyones level and background is so different
<derek> anyhow back to task at hand
<derek> jamest you remember how to do the init_db
<chillywilly> we rock
<derek> or should i go get my postgres docs
<jamest> su - postgresql
<derek> is it
<derek> su - postgresql
<jamest> you have to run it as the postgresql superuser
<derek> or
<derek> su - postgres
<derek> ?
<derek> i think postgres
<jamest> however I have no idea on a redhat RPM setup
<kreiszner> so I am to be the gueny pig OK
<nickr> su postgres without the - no?
<derek> kreiszner: do
<derek> su - postgres
<derek> you should get a 
<derek> bash2.04$
<derek> then type
<derek> init_db
<derek> and tell me what happens
Action: derek has the unfortune of having a redhat6.2 im using as we speak
<kreiszner> [root@localhost init.d]# su - postgres
<kreiszner> YPBINDPROC_DOMAIN: Domain not bound
<kreiszner> bash-2.05$
<chillywilly> time to compile a new kernel
<chillywilly> :)
Action: chillywilly updates his cvs
<kreiszner> bash-2.05$ init_db
<kreiszner> bash: init_db: command not found
<jamest> try
<jamest> initdb
<derek> what jamest said :)
<chillywilly> man someone has been hacking on usb
<derek> chillywilly: wasnt me :)
<kreiszner> derek: this seems to be important stuffCopying template1 to template0.
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