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<chillywilly> anyone here know how long ajmitch said he was going to be gone?
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<derek> bbl
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<fitzix> hello
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<nickr> hrmph, any python gods here know how to apply an XSLT to an xml stream in memory in python?
<nickr> is it possible?
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<nickr> the answer is yes, its possible, and there are several libs to do it
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<chillywilly> Go Packers!!!
<dsmith> Is that a sports team?
<nickr> appearently
<nickr> I think its amerkin 'football'
<nickr> why they call it footballl is a completely mystery to me
<chillywilly> anyone know of a web program for personal finance?
<dsmith> Web? no.  gnucash, moneydance.
<dsmith> There might be some for windows too.
<dsmith> Some banks have online stuff.
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<jcater> 'sup all?
<jcater> nickr: have you looked at pysablot?
<nickr> jcater: no, wuzza?
<jcater> http://sourceforge.net/projects/pysablot
<nickr> hrm, neatr
<nickr> I found 4xslt and pyana
<jcater> ah
<nickr> 4xslt has a debian package so I'm going to use it
<nickr> even though pyana is more what I was looking for
<jcater> okey dokey
<nickr> the web forms client uses xslt right?
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> not to my knowledge
<nickr> oh, I thought I read something about that yesterday
<jcater> well, it could
<jcater> I haven't really dug into madlocke's code
<jcater> but I didn't think that was a prerequisite
<mdean> I used PySablot for the XML->DDL transforms ;-)
<jcater> yip
<jcater> mdean: is that in either our or your cvs, btw?
<mdean> it's in mine
<jcater> ok
<jcater> I have a copy you sent me once, but I didn't know if it'd changed
<mdean> it might have
<jcater> I'
<mdean> it's under scripts/install/xml
<jcater> I'll grab your cvs
<mdean> get HEAD, it may not be in the stable branch
<jcater> I'm in the process of separating the Forms-specific logic from Designer
<jcater> and I need a few simple "test" models to help me make sure I'm doing it right
<mdean> sweet
<jcater> and I don't recall the db-schema XML files to be very complicated
<mdean> yeah - they're fairly simple
<mdean> the transform has more guts to it
<jcater> yeah... but I don't have to be concerned with those :)
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<fitzix> hello
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<chillywilly> dude
<chillywilly> damn
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<chillywilly> :P
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<chillywilly> http://subscribe.dotgnu.org/pipermail/developers/2002-January/001709.html
<jcater> DotGNU, Inc?
<jcater> wtf?
<jcater> a company?
<chillywilly> it will be a subsidiary of FreeDevelopers
<chillywilly> run democratically of course ;)
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<nickr> holy crap, xml.dom.minidom kicks ass
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<rdean> re: "DotGNU, Inc?"
<rdean> incorporation is sometimes used as a liability shield for individuals
<rdean> litigation would go against the assets of the company, not any of the individuals involved
<rdean> given their product, I'd say this is an exceptionally smart move
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<chillywilly> sup mdean
<mdean> UT locked up my box - there goes the uptime :-(
<chillywilly> heh, :(
<chillywilly> that'll you to play games instead of coding ;P
<chillywilly> tech you
<chillywilly> teach
<chillywilly> I knew I'd get it eventuallu
<chillywilly> eventually, even
<mdean> I was coding, and decided to take a break
<chillywilly> ;P
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<mdean> shouldn't have quit, I guess
<chillywilly> you damn right you shouldn't have
<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> don't let da masta catch you playing UT
<mdean> maybe if it were part of GNUe, it would be OK...
<mdean> UT for the enterprise...
<chillywilly> haha
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<nickr> heh
<chillywilly> can you shoot the bean counters before they take over the company
<chillywilly> ?!?
<nickr> gives new meaning to 'clearing' invoices
<chillywilly> heh
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<nickr> I wanna play UT
<kreiszner> what is UT
<nickr> unreal tournament
<nickr> sorry, some people earlier were talking about it
<kreiszner> ok
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<nickr> derek
<derek> nickr
<nickr> whats the mad, mad hap?
<derek> dunt know cuz, whats da 411
<nickr> getting very deeply into xml processing with python
<nickr> my new best friend is dom
<derek> DOM is a good buddy of ours
<nickr> dom makes me warm and fuzzy inside
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<chillywilly> heh
<derek> chillywilly: your pack looked good today 
<derek> aie give ya dat
<chillywilly> thanks ;)
<chillywilly> gonna be tough against da rams
<derek> da intercipsion in da end wuz dope
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<derek> seriously, they looked good in the second half
<derek> hey ka|n
<chillywilly> Favre is the best qb next to Montana
<chillywilly> imho
<derek> chillywilly: well considering im a chiefs fan, watching this post season football has been kind of fun (as this year i couldnt tell if the chiefs games were highschool or pro)
<chillywilly> heheh
<derek> favre is good, green was tearing it up though too
<ka|n> hello
<chillywilly> I bet Holgren is kicking himself
<chillywilly> Holmgren
<chillywilly> we stole Green from Seatlle
<chillywilly> Seattle even
<chillywilly> you see big old gilbert brown in there?
<derek> dagnabbit
<derek> need to add mounting samba drive to my login or something
<chillywilly> number 93
<chillywilly> the nose tackle
<chillywilly> the immovable object
<chillywilly> the one who sacked Garcia on the first play
<chillywilly> literally squashed his ass
<derek> so i miss anything good in my hiatus?
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<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> you ignoring me now?
<chillywilly> gillie is one of my favorite players
<derek> nope
<derek> i only saw last quarter
<chillywilly> I saw him in person when we went up to watch the packer practice
<chillywilly> he played the whole game man
<derek> was at church in the am
<mdean> I is
<chillywilly> he's the gigantic guy that the use 2 ppl to block
<derek> and then went bowling afterwards
<derek> mdean: i know i had stuff to ask you
<derek> im just not recalling it
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<derek> brb
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<jcater> rdean: I understand the liability issues and the benefits of a corporation status
<jcater> rdean: but reading the page, a business plan usually implies more than liability protection
<jcater> ;)
<chillywilly> well, duh
<jcater> chillywilly: how profound
<chillywilly> anyway, I think  GPL'd bidness model is groovy
<chillywilly> why you all up im my bidness?
<jcater> huh¿?
<chillywilly> sheeeeet
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<jcater> I wonder about you sometimes
<chillywilly> nevermind
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<jcater> madlocke!!!!!
<madlocke> hi jcater...
<chillywilly> it's a runnong joke with my partener in crime at work
<jcater> how goes everything?
<chillywilly> running
<jcater> ah... funny thing about "inside jokes"
<jcater> they're only funny to the "inside"
<chillywilly> I wonder about you all the time jcater
<madlocke> as i told already i am working on layout managers
<chillywilly> well it is ebonics also
<madlocke> first try i throwed away ;)
<chillywilly> so I figured you would appreciate making fun of it
<madlocke> now boxlayout and gridbaglayout is working
<chillywilly> as much as I do
<chillywilly> beotch
<jcater> cool
<madlocke> much code is from java's awt and swing
<jcater> when can we get our hands on it?
<madlocke> it now spits out absolute x,y cooridates as relative ones too
<jcater> we are curious what parts of the code this affects
<jcater> so we haven't been modifying gnue forms
<madlocke> 2 minutes ago i did my first tests on gridbaglayout ;)
<chillywilly> rock on madlocke
<madlocke> it is maybe not a bad idea if jamest will be here too for more detailed discussion
<madlocke> because of datasources and so on....
<madlocke> some things have to change for gfds...
<jcater> um
<jcater> he has his kids tonight
<jcater> what kind of changes?
<madlocke> simple gfd example:
<madlocke> (without data)
<madlocke> <?xml version="1.0"?>
<madlocke> <form>
<madlocke>   <boxLayout orientation="vertical"/>
<madlocke>   <label text="other"/>
<madlocke>   <panel>
<madlocke>     <boxLayout orientation="horizontal"/>
<madlocke>     <label text="My try"/>
<madlocke>     <panel>
<madlocke>       <gridBagLayout/>
<madlocke>       <label text="Hello"/>
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<madlocke>       <label text="Hello" gridWidth="remainder"/>
<madlocke>       <label text="Hello here all" gridWidth="2"/>
<madlocke>     </panel>
<madlocke>     <label text="Hm"/>
<madlocke>   </panel>
<madlocke>   <label text="next"/>
<madlocke>   <label text="last"/>
<madlocke> </form>
<madlocke> it is very simple one that does not show all options that are already supported
<madlocke> but should give an idea
<jcater> and this is only in the <page> section, right?
<madlocke> this example is without pages... basic lm is important. if you use pages later makes no real difference
<madlocke> to the rendering
<jcater> when can we get a copy of your changes?
<madlocke> of course a tabpage layouter has to be there too. but possible
<jcater> even if incomplete?
<madlocke> tomorow in the evening i think i can send some stuff
<madlocke> at the moment i am a bit tired... was getting up early and it is 3.38 local time ;)
<jcater> wow
<chillywilly> go to sleep dude
<jcater> ok
<chillywilly> you deserve it ;)
<madlocke> thx ;)
<jcater> but we *really* need to see your changes
<madlocke> ok then... sure... will be online tomorrow too
<jcater> so if you can get those to use tomorrow, we'd be greatly appreciative\
<madlocke> ok
<madlocke> hey good time... now i will say to almost everything ok ;)
<jcater> so, you are only working in the UI stuff currently?
<madlocke> in the first try i did some work on the event system too
<chillywilly> hehe
<madlocke> different system of distributing the events
<chillywilly> too tired to argue?
<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> madlocke: the sky is falling run for your life!
<chillywilly> <madlocke>  ok
<madlocke> grin... it is not that different ...
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<madlocke> it's almost the same...
<chillywilly> haha
<madlocke> did i tell anything about changes?
<jcater> um
<chillywilly> yea especially having to deal with jcater and jamest
<jcater> I don't recall
<madlocke> erm yes... it has nothing to do with the old one if i remember correctly?
<madlocke> !
<madlocke> :)
<jcater> just the events system?
<jcater> as it was wacked anyway
<chillywilly> there's no difference in "discussing" and "arguing"
<madlocke> my main goal is to get lms working... other things are ideas i have to discuss
<jcater> OK
<jcater> I'm sure jamest will be here tomorrow
<madlocke> second important thing for me was that basic ui stuff is really in UIbase and not in UIwxpython
<jcater> definitely
<chillywilly> btw, how's web forms coming?
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<madlocke> at the moment i am trying with a web driver
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> don't stretch yourself too thin ;)
<madlocke> want to do wx and web at same time so i don't put ugly dependencies in the drivers
<madlocke> good coffee machine helps...
<madlocke> erm... damn i don't have a good coffee machine ;)
<jcater> you don't have to do this alone
<jcater> that's one reason we would like to see the code
<madlocke> i will need of course help with adding the datasource/database stuff
<madlocke> after finishing some work tomorrow i will send the stuff
<madlocke> then you can have a look at it...
<madlocke> not all widgets are supported yet, but i think as soon as the
<madlocke> basic stuff works good it is no problem to add other widgets...
<madlocke> scroll pane can be something more difficult for web driver maybe...
<jcater> yeah
<madlocke> have to think about this...
<madlocke> have too see how good css works with realtive coordinates... will see
<madlocke> ok then... i will search for my bed ;)
<jcater> lol
<jcater> ok, see you tomorrow
<madlocke> cu
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<jcater> hmm
<jcater> I wonder what time "tomorrow night" is in CST?
<chillywilly> he's where?
<chillywilly> Germany?
<jcater> um
<jcater> not sure
<chillywilly> I think he is
<chillywilly> reinhard went to visit him there didn't he?
<jcater> not sure
<chillywilly> well if it is almost 3am there now
<chillywilly> er, 4am
<chillywilly> they are 7 hours ahead?
<jcater> so that'd be lunch time or so for us
<jcater> ew
<chillywilly> (no jc I didn't use my toes on that one ;P)
<jcater> so for me, that's two days
<jcater> not tomorrow
<chillywilly> uh?
<jcater> unless "3am" is part of the previos day to him
<jcater> I guess it probably is
<chillywilly> aren't they ahead of us though?
<jcater> yip
<chillywilly> it would be 3am Jan. 14th
<jcater> so 7:00pm tonight for him
<jcater> will be 12:00pm tomorrow for me
<chillywilly> what's wrong with it being lunch time?
<jcater> no, that's good
<chillywilly> you don't need to eat
<chillywilly> just grab a donut
<chillywilly> ;P
<jcater> I was just trying to figure out if it's tomorrow or the day after
<jcater> I guess I'll know tomorrow or the day after :)
<chillywilly> haha
<chillywilly> guess I'll have to rftl
<chillywilly> one more week of hell and I can be free
<jcater> ?
<chillywilly> umm, I haven't been working with my partner in crime but someone else who is a fucking lazy POS
<derek> im dont like that layout
<derek> i think containers should hold the objects
<derek> i say
<derek> <somecontain style=vertical />
<derek> <widget>
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<derek> <somecontain style=vertical>
<derek> <widget>
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<derek> </somecontain>
<derek> but oh well, what do i know
<chillywilly> i agree
<mdean> seems like that would make a lot less work for processing the presentation
<jcater> derek: I agree 100%
<jcater> I just wanna see some code
<mdean> for (;;) cout << "Hello, jcater!";
<derek> self.seecode = true
<derek> damn mdean beatme to it
<jcater> mdean: beautiful code
<jcater> I prefer python though
<chillywilly> heh, but it is C++
<derek> jcater: from the look of it i assume perl?
<chillywilly> the anti-python
<jcater> c++??
<chillywilly> joking
<chillywilly> dude
<derek> chillywilly: looks awful ugly for raw C++
<chillywilly> cout is a C++ thing
<mdean> ugly?  jcater said it was beautiful....
<mdean> it is C++
<derek> i figured c++ would let you do such things but only those w/ perl experience would think in such hideous ways :)
<chillywilly> virtual void troutslap ();
<mdean> cout is pretty handy for console work ;-)
<chillywilly> void GNUe::troutslap () { Goat *jcater; jcater = new Goat (); jcater->SlapYourself ()}
<chillywilly> :P
<nickr> jcater->Slap(jcater)
<mdean> jcater->Slap(this);
<chillywilly> exactly
<jcater> for dimwit in xchat.users: 
<derek> maid->clean(jcater.goo)
<jcater>   dimwit.slap()
<jcater> dude!
<jcater> speaking of goo
<jcater> you're gonna cream yourself
<jcater> when you see designer
<mdean> ewwwww!
<jcater> I have code-coloring (syntax highlighting)
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<jcater> and autocomplete
<jcater> I haven't finished autocomplete as it's not a priority
<mdean> lol
<jcater> but, dude!
<jcater> the basic support is there
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<nickr> autocopmlete!~
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<derek> jcater: now if only we had a 'solid' trigger system, that would be useful ;)
<jcater> http://www.scintilla.org
<jcater> wxPythin includes that as wxPython.stc
<mdean> cool!
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<derek> Dorkus123 writes, "While reading news over at CNet I came across a story about Microsoft signing a deal with Scale Eight  for services to MSN. Those services include streaming video, audio and storing photos for MSN customers. After some digging around on the web I found a ZDNet article  that says, 'Scale Eight runs proprietary software that manages data stored across an array of standard Intel-architecture servers running Linux.' It
<derek> s Microsoft maybe more reliant on Open Source software (link to The Register) for their online services than they care to admit."
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<nickr>  /topic 'Cleanup in Aisle 17'
<derek> M www/images/gnue_logo.png
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue$ gfdes 
<derek> Traceback (most recent call last):
<derek>   File "/home/dneighbo/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/designer/GFDesigner.py", line 39, in ?
<derek>     from gnue.designer.forms.Instance import Instance as GFDInstance
<chillywilly> for (iter = goats.begin (); iter != goats.end (); iter++) { (*iter)->Slap (); }
<derek> ImportError: No module named forms.Instance
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue$ 
<jcater> I haven't committed
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> I guess cvs is broken until I commit :)
<chillywilly> hehe
<derek> no
<derek> i just had to rerun setup.py
<derek> and it fixed it
<jcater> ah
<derek> hmmmm...
<jcater> oh, yeah
<chillywilly> list <Goat *>::iterator iter; list <Goat *> goats;
<derek> i like how you made object navigator 'floating'
Action: derek runs now
<jcater> chillywilly: what is this... obfuscated goat night?
<derek> but i think it should be 'dockable'
<chillywilly> list <Goat *>::iterator iter; list <Goat *> goats;
<chillywilly> for (iter = goats.begin (); iter != goats.end (); iter++) { (*iter)->Slap (); }
<derek> i.e. you should be able to dock it where it used to be
<jcater> derek: baby steps
<jcater> even though she's crawling now
<jcater> :)
<derek> yeah :)
<chillywilly> goats.push_back (jcater);
<derek> eventually the menu/toolbar should be moved off
Action: mdean inserts "using namespace std;" in front of chillywilly's code...
<chillywilly> yea yea
<derek> btw: you mind if i put a toolbar on this bad boy?
<mdean> ;-)
<jcater> um
<jcater> yeah, I do
<jcater> she's in the middle of a restructuring, 
<derek> ok
<jcater> so you might be wasting your time
<derek> thats why i asked
<chillywilly> #include <list>
<derek> btw: are there 'hotkeys' for focus?
<derek> if not can i add those?
<chillywilly> using namespace gnue;
<jcater> sure
<chillywilly> using namespace std;
<derek> like F11 to bring up property box
<jcater> sure, you can; not, sure there are
<derek> as remember im a borland baby and this is feeling more like their tools and one thing i used a lot
<derek> f7 and f11
<jcater> wassat?
<derek> to toggle between form, code, property editor
<chillywilly> borland blows goats
<jcater> ah
<derek> jcater: er i mean this doesnt look anything like borland
<jcater> btw,eventually, I'd like to see everything dockable
<chillywilly> borland->Blows (goats);
<jcater> so you can do whatever you want to
<derek> jcater: then it woudl be like borland :)
<jcater> and not force that style on me
<jcater> ;)
<derek> they basically have everything independent
<derek> and make a container wehre you can dock crap as you ilke
<derek> like
<jcater> ilke?
<chillywilly> ilke baby
<jcater> must be an Ozark redneck term I don't know
<derek> ilke == german for uber like
<derek> jcater: roflmao
<derek> jcater ilke is what that goo you spewed when 'creaming' would be described as
<jcater> ok
<derek> so what changes are checked in?
<chillywilly> if (jcater->isFunney ()) derek->roflmao ();
<jcater> if chillywilly.isTired(): chillywilly.makeWeirdCode()
<derek> ok your dialog is broked
<jcater> my dialog?
<derek> openfile
<jcater> yeah, I've fixed that too
<derek> it says by default looking for
<jcater> yeah, I know
<derek> gfl,gfd,someothers, but its lying :)
<derek> ok
<derek> :)
Action: derek reminds jcater it doesnt take me 'long' to start finding bugs
<jcater> I was trying to make wx pull up a "group" of related files
<jcater> (i.e., "All Supoorted GNUe Files (*.gfd,*.grd,*.gpd)
<jcater> but it won't do that
<jcater> I removed that code before commiting, 
<jcater> but apparently forgot one concatenation
<jcater> I noticed that this AM
<derek> so is the gpd edit ability in here?
<jcater> no
Action: derek needs to play around with some things
<jcater> I'm working on it
<chillywilly> if (masta->isBetaTester ()) code->WillFuckingCrashOnSight ();
<derek> will you be here for a bit?
<jcater> for another 40 min at most
Action: jcater is trying to adjust his sleep schedule
<derek> chillywilly: thats not true
<jcater> I probably need to stop getting in to work at 10:00 am
<chillywilly> damn
<chillywilly> you lazy bum
<jcater> nah
<derek> masta.atwill(crashcode)
<jcater> I put in 8 hrs
<jcater> I'd just prefer to get home earlier now
<chillywilly> no wonder you are there so late
<chillywilly> I;d rather get up early and go home at 3pm or so
<chillywilly> ;)
<derek> jcater: bummer, ok, are there samples in cvs of gpd and hwo to use?
Action: derek forgot, its probably in navigator
<jcater> yip
<derek> must check that out
<jcater> be forewarned... it's ugly at the moment
<jcater> although very functional
<chillywilly> if (masta) code->Hide ();
Action: jcater puts function before form
<derek> ok 
<derek> INSTALL file is blank
<derek> but readme seems to contain info
<jcater> it's looking for a volunteer
<derek> permission on setup.py is wrong on fresh co
<jcater> it's looking for a volunteer
<jcater> btw, how do you set permission for cvs stuff?
<chillywilly> INSTALL: If your name is derek, plz do 'rm -r .'
<jcater> nah
<derek> will we support 'devel' as install option?
<chillywilly> s/derek/derek neighbors/
<jcater> INSTALL: Please see the file README
<jcater> README: Please see the file INSTALL
<chillywilly> hehe
<jcater> derek: I'd prefer to eliminate that
<derek> jcater: rofl
<jcater> in all the tools
<chillywilly> that's enogh to keep him busy
<chillywilly> ;P
<derek> any reason?
<jcater> as gnue/setup.py sets up a CVS devel install for all the tools
<jcater> and it supports a HELLUVA lot
<jcater> including local (non-root) install 
<derek> ah back at the root
<chillywilly> jcater: I am still roflmao
Action: derek still hasnt used that
<jcater> dude!
<jcater> if you run it against python 1.5
<jcater> it will restart itself against 2.x
<jcater> if you have multiple 2.x installed, 
<jcater> it will make sure you are installing against the right version
<chillywilly> damn that was funny
<derek>   Or, to create static menus for your os, type:
<derek>     gnuenav <--install-kde-menu |
<derek>       --install-gnome-menu> <processdefs.gpd> [menu=<BaseMenu>]
<derek> README (END) 
<chillywilly> isn't there some joke like that?
<derek> does this exist for the other tools?
<jcater> other tools?
<jcater> this puts your forms or reports in the menu
<jcater> no, the others don't support that
<jcater> although I'd like to make their setup.py support that
<derek> well i suppose it will be in the rpms and debs
<derek> i get following error
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue/navigator/samples$ gnuenav sample.gpd 
<derek> Traceback (most recent call last):
<derek>   File "/usr/local/bin/gnuenav", line 40, in ?
<derek>     from  gnue.navigator.GNClient import *
<derek>   File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/navigator/GNClient.py", line 38, in ?
<derek>     from gnue.navigator import Actions
<derek> ImportError: cannot import name Actions
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue/navigator/samples$ 
<jcater> wtf
<derek> this was after doing ./setup.py install
<jcater> oh
<jcater> hmm
<derek> however i have done ./setup.py devel every where else
<jcater> it's so new, we haven't tested a "real" install
<jcater> run gnue/setup.py
<derek> otay
<chillywilly> mdean: you ever notice that g++ 3.0.3 is god awful slow?
Action: jcater feels repetitive
<derek> ./setup.py devel or install?
<jcater> just setup.py
<derek> at gnue/setup.py
<jcater> it's only a CVS devel install
<jcater> we should probably rename it to setup-cvs.py
<mdean> chillywilly: nope - still on 2.96
Action: jcater crosses his finger in hopes that it doesn't crash on derek
<chillywilly> that's not a recommended release to use is it?
<chillywilly> 2.96 == don't use this dumb asses
<mdean> I thought that was 2.95?
<chillywilly> no
<derek> joy that is WAY different
<derek> hopefully it didnt completely jack my system :)
<jcater> I hope not
<chillywilly> mdean: heheh, in your case using namespace std; won't make a damn bit of difference
<jcater> it's quite a feature rich install
<jcater> for a devel install, that is
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~/bin$ locate gfdes
<derek> /usr/local/bin/gfdes
<derek> /home/dneighbo/cvs/gnue/designer/client/gfdes
<derek> /home/dneighbo/cvs/gnue/designer/client/gfdesigner.in
<derek> /home/dneighbo/cvs/gnue/designer/doc/installer/gfdesigner.cfg
<derek> /home/dneighbo/cvs/gnue/designer/doc/installer/gfdesigner.iss
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~/bin$ 
<derek> jcater it ROCKS
<mdean> chillywilly: why not?  namespaces broken?
<derek> but im afraid it will conflict w/ other setup
<chillywilly> they aren't enforced in 2.9x iirc
<jcater> possibly
<jcater> I removed my root install
<derek> how?
Action: dsmith "apt-get install gnue-common gnue-designer gnue-forms" 's
<derek> just delete the file files in /usr/local/bin/  that are gnue?
<mdean> chillywilly: so you're saying collisions can happen then?
<jcater> rm -f /usr/local/bin/gfcvs
<jcater> rm -f /usr/local/bin/gncvs
<jcater> rm -f /usr/local/bin/gfdes
<jcater> rm -rf ~/
Action: jcater hopes derek isn't blindly cutting-and-pasting
<jcater> hey
<jcater> when you get a chance, can you test out common/scripts/gnue-diag.sh on any linux systems you have?
<jcater> actually, that goes for anyone in here
<derek> no
<derek> but i did rm
<mdean> chillywilly: looks like you're right - compiles without using namespace std and without std::
<derek> not rm -f
<jcater> ah
Action: jcater is in the habit of saying -f for those redhat users
<jcater> ;)
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue/navigator/samples$ gncvs sample.gpd 
<derek> The gnue.conf file appears to be missing
<derek> The file should be located in one of the following locations
<derek> /home/dneighbo/gnue/etc/gnue.conf
<derek> /home/dneighbo/.gnue/gnue.conf
<derek> /home/dneighbo/gnue/etc/gnue.conf.fixed
<derek> Missing GNUe config fileDB000: 
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue/navigator/samples$ cp /usr/local/gnue/etc/gnue.conf /home/dneighbo/gnue/etc/
<derek> cp: `/usr/local/gnue/etc/gnue.conf' and `/home/dneighbo/gnue/etc/gnue.conf' are the same file
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue/navigator/samples$ 
<derek> what gives?
<derek> rights issue?
<jcater> haha
<jcater> the setup.py asked you if you'd like to link your user config files
<derek> haha?
<jcater> to the system wide
<derek> right
<derek> and i answered yes
<derek> guess that was a no no?
<jcater> then ~/gnue/etc/gnue.conf is a symlink to
<jcater> /usr/local/gnue/etc/gnue.conf
<derek> right
<jcater> so why are you copying the latter to the former
<derek> thats what i expected to a degree, just had hoped it would have worked
<jcater> if the former links to the latter
<derek> jcater: im tried copying only because navigator said it couldnt find it
<derek> so i thought it didnt exist there
<jcater> oh, bummer
<jcater> hmm
<derek> read my entire paste :)
<jcater> oh, crap
<derek> <derek> dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue/navigator/samples$ gncvs sample.gpd 
<derek> <derek> The gnue.conf file appears to be missing
<derek> <derek> The file should be located in one of the following locations
<derek> <derek> /home/dneighbo/gnue/etc/gnue.conf
<derek> <derek> /home/dneighbo/.gnue/gnue.conf
<derek> <derek> /home/dneighbo/gnue/etc/gnue.conf.fixed
<derek> <derek> Missing GNUe config fileDB000: 
<jcater> this is actually an issue with our gconfig
<jcater> you need a [navigator] section
<jcater> see the common/etc/sample.gnue.conf
<chillywilly> mdean: you can get collisions if you use the same names as std stuff....it just skips over the namespace directive, but if you use g++ 3.x it will bitch at you for not using the namespace
<derek> well i saw something out there
<derek> gnue.conf.fixed
<jcater> our GConfig currently doesn't distinguish between an imcomplete gnue.conf and a missing one
<mdean> chillywilly: ja - that's what I figured since it didn't care about me not specifying the namespace
<mdean> chillywilly: I fully expect it to bitch at me ;-)
<chillywilly> well 3.x is more standards complient
<chillywilly> compliant
<chillywilly> it seems to be slower though :(
<jcater> derek: btw, I'd HIGHLY recommend that if you are going to continue to use the CVS versions, 
<derek> jcater: ok have it working
<mdean> how much slower?
<jcater> that you remove any existing gnue.conf files
<jcater> and rerun gnue/setup.py
<jcater> it will then ask if you'd like to symlink to the cvs sample.gnue.conf
Action: derek doesnt 'customize' gnue.conf currently so overwriting isnt a big deal to me
<jcater> any customizations can then go into gnue.conf.fixed
<chillywilly> I dunno noticeably slower
<derek> hmm odd i will play that anotehr day
<jcater> and you always have the latest sample.gnue.conf
<jcater> ok
Action: derek figured navigator would be a menu item
<derek> its MUCH different than i expected
<jcater> I expect GNUe Nav to be several different things
<jcater> this being one of them
<jcater> as this is what jamest and I needed at first
<chillywilly> mdean: btw, you ever check out GNU Common C++? It is a handly library
<chillywilly> handy even
<jcater> gnuenav --install-gnome-menu will actually install shortcuts to the forms in your GNOME menu
<chillywilly> wow
<jcater> this is completely different than just plain gnue-nav
<jcater> I expect later on to have a menu plugin to forms
<mdean> chillywilly: not yet - I've seen it on fm, I think
<jcater> not sure if you see where I'm going or not
<chillywilly> mdean: well Dave Sigar is the principle author if you know who that is ;)
<chillywilly> Sugar
<mdean> oh - the Bayonne guy?
<chillywilly> yes
<mdean> ja
<derek> jcater i just installed into the gnome menu
<mdean> he seems like a busy dude
<derek> and its pretty sweet
<derek> its ok as it sits
<jcater> it's a start
<jcater> that's all I can say
<chillywilly> mdean: he definitely is, doesn't have time to waste on IRC ;P
Action: derek is somewhat disappointed as if its not contained w/ in app is not a big step for me personally
<jcater> oh
<jcater> sorry
<derek> i.e. its a nice way to easily create desktop menus but not a lot more :)
<jcater> well, no
<jcater> it's a menuing system
<derek> mainly because was doing similar 'hanging' navigation w/ buttons
<jcater> the desktop menu feature is another feature
<derek> but its the start of being able to be integrated in the forms frame
<jcater> well, you are looking at 2 hrs of hacking
<jcater> so it will definitely grow
<derek> im not complaining
<derek> just saying i dont see this for me personally as the solution i was looking for
<derek> its a damn good start though
<derek> as just getting an xml definition and having it readable is a big deal
<derek> the navigator portion is definitely functional from what i am looking at
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<dsmith> Does anyone here have any good pointers to docs on gtkrc files?
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<derek> jcater: ok have sample navigation done for 'track' sample
<derek> or contact manager
<derek> seems to work ok, but wont let me 'close' it
<derek> after have launched forms from it
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> our first bug
Action: jcater troutslaps derek
<nickr> I can't wait to try out the new designer tomarrow
<jcater> nickr: it's a work in progress
<jcater> I'm in the middle of making it modular
<nickr> Hehe.
<nickr> Well I'll help your find more bugs.
<chillywilly> that's all we need another masta
<nickr> that should be "help" in quotes
<chillywilly> masta just needs to think about a program and he can make it crash...it's the gedi mind trick ;P
<nickr> Someday I hope to be that powerful.
<chillywilly> me too
<derek> jcater: you inspired a code commit
<jcater> ??
<derek> ah mutha fudger
<chillywilly> heheh
<chillywilly> thinking too hard about it masta?
<derek> note to self dont get clever with names
<chillywilly> ;)
<derek> as Add/Edit/Delete Contacts
<derek> might be an acceptable name in the gpd
<derek> and navigator even likes it
<derek> but damn gnome menus puke on it HARD
<nickr> Heh.
<jcater> ah
<derek> DB000:     buildMenu(processes, directory)
<derek> DB000:   File "/home/dneighbo/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/navigator/Actions/gnome_menu.py", line 86, in buildMenu
<derek> DB000:     buildMenu(child, directory)
<derek> DB000:   File "/home/dneighbo/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/navigator/Actions/gnome_menu.py", line 84, in buildMenu
<derek> DB000:     makeLinkFile(directory, child)
<derek> DB000:   File "/home/dneighbo/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/navigator/Actions/gnome_menu.py", line 93, in makeLinkFile
<derek> DB000:     '.desktop'),'w')
<derek> DB000: IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/dneighbo/.gnome/apps/GNUe Apps/Contact Management/Contacts/Add\\/Edit\\/Delete Contacts.desktop'
<jcater> did you fix it?
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue/forms/samples/track$ 
<derek> you want me to fix the bug in navigator?
<derek> or the gpd file?
<jcater> technically, I suppose it's a bug in navigator
<derek> well its shitty naming on my part
<derek> but in looking at gnome menu's / is valid
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<derek> so i assume \ is as well
<nickr> can't it call the .desktop file anything it wants?
<jcater> nickr: yeah, I think you're right
<nickr> so you should use the name of the forms file no?
<jcater> so we can just strip any questionable characters in the file name
<nickr> its more likely a nicey filename
<jcater> I can do that :)
Action: derek is just 'gifted' when it comes to bug finding i guess
<derek> be it stupidity or otherwise
<derek> btw: the adding to menus is pretty damn slick
<nickr> derek: you're just 'special'
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<derek> is there support in 'gpd' to tie images to 'process' or 'step'
<nickr> what exactly does it add to the menus? the individual forms you specify?
<derek> i noticed it has one menu for form and another for report (which are great)
<derek> but i suppose if i were righting some custom stuff i would want my own 'special' purdy icons
<nickr> I was going to ask about icons, do the gnome menus get them?
<jcater> roflmao
<jcater> I told jamest friday
<jcater> that'd be the first thing you'd ask
<derek> rofl
<derek> i dont NEED it
<derek> but i know i will be answering questions here or in info@gnue.org on it
<derek> so figured i would ask
<derek> nickr: it has standard little icons now
<derek> which are fine
<derek> as it readily lets you know what is a form and what is a report
<nickr> cool
<nickr> that was the first thing I was going to ask, but I didn't want to interject during your bug finding
Action: derek cant find where hell ximian hides its menus
<derek> so cant get it to go anywhere other than 'favorites'
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> I might have put them under wrong directories
<jcater> seeing as how I didn't have a gnome system to test with
<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> too complex for you?
<chillywilly> ;P
<derek> no where put them is same place as redhat puts them
<chillywilly> the foot == 'start'
<derek> its ximian i fear that has jacked thing sup
<jcater> chillywilly: wtf you talking about. homie?
<chillywilly> beotch, don't make me bussa cap in yo ass
Action: derek fears they ahve put it in gconf somewhere
<derek> or in a berkley db
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~/.gnome$ ls
<derek> AbiWord Personal  accels            doorman     gtop
<derek> Background        application-info  galeon      metadata.db
<derek> GDict             apps              gdict       panel
<derek> Gnome             apps-redhat       ggv         panel.d
<derek> Screensaver       control-center    gnome-hint  session
<derek> Terminal          default.wm        gnome-vfs   theme-switcher-capplet
<derek> X-Chat            document_history  gnomesword
<derek> the metadata.db i fear is where it might be
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<chillywilly> gconf is da shiznit
<derek> chillywilly: um sure
<jcater> shiznit=cesspool??
<chillywilly> scotty says hi five to the side
<derek> i love the unix registry
<chillywilly> it's not binary though
<chillywilly> so technically it's not a "registry"
<derek> hmmm
<jcater> wtf
<chillywilly> at leat not in the winblows sense
<chillywilly> least
<jcater> where'd you arrive at that logic?
<jcater> that sounds like ximian justification to me
<derek> can gconf get corrupt? and affect one or more of my applications even though im only touching one?
<derek> if the answer is yes then its fucked unix logic
<chillywilly> no
<derek> as editing something for one program that is NOT related to anotehr should not allow me to jerk the other program
<jcater> "um, no, of course we're not copying MS... we use a texted based "central configuration system"
<jcater> "it's not a 'registry'"
<jcater> "but a centralized configuration system"
<chillywilly> heh so does all of unix
<jcater> yeah, that's the ticket
<derek> my primary fear of it, is that it opens doors to screwing with things in bad ways
<derek> i.e. if apache and samba conf files were SAME file
<derek> that would scare me
<derek> even if they were text files
<chillywilly> itonly does desktop configuration
<derek> as now someone messing with samba could screw up apache and vice version
<derek> er versa
<derek> btw: im not 100% against it, as i know there were some real problems they needed to solve that were occurring with way they were doing it
<jcater> I'm 99.8% against it
<chillywilly> jcater: you don't even use it so you don't even know
<chillywilly> you don't here me bitching about how KDE does anything becuase I don't know or use it :P
<jcater> chillywilly: why do you think I switched my 40 users from gnome to kde last summer?
<derek> momma way they did this is jacked
<derek> they have as a panel
<derek> so they nest a panel file
<derek> that calls several files
<derek> all of which have great names
<chillywilly> nickr: as a gnomie what do you think of gconf?
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~/.gnome/panel.d/default/launchers$ ls
<derek> bar-004b67915d.desktop  foo-00415826a8.desktop      gegl-00447ff4c9.desktop
<derek> bar-004bf40bd9.desktop  frobate-0000d9945f.desktop  gegl-005b6f16b9.desktop
<derek> foo-0016af989c.desktop  frobate-002395fa28.desktop
<derek> then inside gegl-xxxxx they have the definition
<derek> in a diff format than normal
<derek> er maybe not
<derek> im not sure what they have done
<chillywilly> .desktop is a standard format agreed upon by both desktops, iirc
<derek> hahahaha
<derek> ximian writes evil files to my machine like m$ to track me
<derek> [register]
<derek> name=Derek A. Neighbors
<derek> email=suckyou@ximian.com
<derek> zip=85233
<derek> funny that i chose the email i did
<chillywilly> that's what you get for using the evil ximian
<chillywilly> ;P
<derek> [register]
<derek> name=Derek A. Neighbors
<derek> email=suckyou@ximian.com
<derek> zip=85233
<derek> country=United States
<derek> organization=
<derek> uuid=930aa238-a433-4131-a2ff-77289f806a14
<derek> announce=false
<derek> updates=false
<derek> registered=true
<derek> [monkeybuddy]
<derek> referrer=suckmetoo@ximian.com
<derek> signup=true
<jcater> is there a command-line utility for added Menu entries?
<mdean> if they put uuid in your docs, then you're in trouble!
<jcater> or for modifying gconf registries?
<derek> mdean: ?
<chillywilly> ximian wants to be the OS M$
<chillywilly> heh
<mdean> derek: then you can't write Gnumeric macros without them knowing the uuid ;-)
<derek> prolly
<derek> chillywilly: im no gnome wiz
<derek> but i can not find how to add a new menu
<derek> easily or command line
<derek> to the 'Programs' window ximian created for me
<chillywilly> panel->add to panel->menu->.....
<derek> well i can add a NEW one
<chillywilly> programs menu
<jcater> chillywilly: um, how can we do that from a script??
<chillywilly> dunno
<derek> i can do it in gnome control center too
<chillywilly> I have done 0 gnome programming or scripting
<chillywilly> ask in #gnome
<chillywilly> that's what i would do
<jcater> roflmao
<jcater> you serious?
<chillywilly> yes
<chillywilly> they are pretty helpful
<jcater> ok
<derek> funny thing
<chillywilly> not here
<derek> ximian 'turned off' redhat menus
<chillywilly> irc.gnome.org
<chillywilly> ximian is an asshole
<derek> wonder how red hat felt about that
<derek> i.e. redcarpet (to replace red hat network)
<mdean> derek: it does the same to Mandark's menus
<derek> and then shut off red hat menus to force people to use ximian tools
<derek> no wonder havoc, owen, dave and the rest are so how shall we say, 'brutal' to ximian folks :)
<mdean> they do ask if you want to keep your menu config, or "upgrade" it, tho ;-)
<derek> mdean: and surely they do this in the name of 'convience for the user'
<mdean> mmmm...sounds like M$
<derek> liek the 'you want internet explorer' to be you default and open every file type known to man?
<chillywilly> I just said they want to be an OS M$
<chillywilly> I meant it too ;P
<derek> as we wouldnt want the stupid user confused w/ products other than our own
<derek> get this :
<derek> my pastor was using uswest ISP
<derek> he got note in mail that his account had been sold to MSN
<derek> (he could care less)
<derek> HOWEVER they didnt send him an MSN disk
<derek> so next day his qwest account didnt work he called they said put in disk
<derek> he said what disk
<derek> they said oh yeah disks are back logged
<derek> when you get the disk insert it
<derek> so 4 days go by no disk ( i told him to call and scream ) he did so got a month free
<derek> he is giong to switch but wants to get the mail that has pile up for last 7 days first
<derek> so the disk comes
<derek> he installs it connects up
<derek> and it says sorry your version of internet explorer is too old download new version
<derek> (idiots couldnt put it on the fscking disk i guess)
<derek> so he goes to download ie (over 28.8 mind you)
<derek> so he says it goes for like 3 hours and crashes his computer
<derek> (suprise)
<derek> so he reboots
<derek> and low and behold it thinks he has new version of ie installed so wont let him resume download
<derek> as he has 'current version'
<derek> yet the site wont let him use it as its 'corrupt'
<derek> needless to say he used to 'not care' and now is pretty damn vehemently against MSN
<derek> based on this sole experience
<dsmith> Gaaa! Make me want to strangle someone!
<derek> i have been asked to come 'cleanse' the system
<derek> all our church computers run linux
<chillywilly> install GNU/Linux ;)
Action: mdean hopes derek takes linux there...
<derek> chillywilly: im not ready to force it on him yet
<derek> i will be taking a church pc to his house soon that will have linux
<derek> guy brought 3 over today to be worked on
<derek> he wants game machine for daughter
<derek> i asked if he wanted linux he said no windows cause he doesnt know linux...
<chillywilly> gnu/linux you mena right ;)
<derek> i didnt want to argue, then he said other two were for church
<chillywilly> mean
<jcater> <jcater> question: how do you add an application shortcut to the Gnome program menu via a script... if I create a .desktop entry under .gnome/apps, it adds to the Favorites menu
<jcater> <-- brianc (~brianc@ct762612-a.lafayt1.in.home.com) has left #gnome
<jcater> <miguelf> they are the same
<jcater> <jcater> eh?
<jcater> <frb> where do xml dtd's reside on a redhat system?
<jcater> <jcater> so I can't add to the Program menu?
<jcater> <jcater> only to the Favorites?
<jcater> <greg> frb: /usr/share/sgml or /usr/share/xml
<derek> and i said oh they will have linux the church computers arent allowed to run windows....
<derek> pastor says 'guess we are prejudice' :)
<derek> i said, well generally we dont want to be seen as 'pirates' running 'illegal' software :)
<derek> jcater?
<jcater> I asked in #gnome
<derek> no answer?
<derek> is that what you are trying to say
<jcater> that was the only answer I can get
<jcater> <miguelf> they are the same
<jcater> bah
Action: derek kicks em in da nuts
<jcater> I'll try again tomorrow
<chillywilly> what do expect it is crowded in there
<derek> night
<derek> um i expect w/ all those people
<derek> SOMEONE would have a sensible answer to what amounts to a 'newbie' type question
<chillywilly> you just have to get the right ppl in there like telsa ;)
<chillywilly> she helps me out all the time
<derek> yeah gdp might be better place to ask
<derek> that is where i always got help
<chillywilly> try #gnome-help
<jcater> gdp?
<chillywilly> might be smaller crowd
<derek> gdp - gnome documentation project 
<chillywilly> well it will be a smaller crowd
<chillywilly> shit
Action: chillywilly is away: packers blitz
<derek> #docs
<nickr> jcater: Its to preserve system vs user level menus
<nickr> jcater: I think uiser level menues are almost always under 'favorites'
<jcater> really?
<nickr> system level menus are in /usr/share somewhere
<jcater> that seems odd
<nickr> yea
<jcater> wow
Action: jcater will stick w/kde
<nickr> Not realyl, I always expect when I'm installing something not at the system level for it to show up in favorites
<derek> nickr: seems silly to me in many ways
<jcater> I'd at least do a "User Programs" and "Programs" menu
<jcater> as I don't see how a user-installed program will merit "Favorites"
<nickr> Yea
<nickr> I wouldn't call it favorites either
<derek> fsck he is right
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:/usr/share/gnome/apps$ ls
<derek> Applications  Games        Graphics  Multimedia  System     gnome-help.desktop
<derek> Development   Gmc.desktop  Internet  Settings    Utilities
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:/usr/share/gnome/apps$ 
<derek> what i bitch
<jcater> wow
<nickr> I'd say if forms is installed at the 'system' level, putting menu items in there or via the debian menu system would be the best
<derek> btw i do see a setting that lets you put 'favorites' at a root level
<jcater> nickr: yeah
<jcater> how can I find out what /usr/share/gnome/apps is
<derek> however where this sucks
<jcater> as I'm sure it's different on different platforms
<jcater> is there like a gnome-config program or such?
<derek> is what if i want to write a Graphics app
<nickr> maybe.
<derek> how do i put it under Graphics
<derek> ?
<nickr> derek: in debian its easy, you register a new app under that catagory and blah balh
<nickr> although it doesn't merge into the gnome menus
<nickr> debian has the best overall system, but it'd be nice if it were more tightly integrated into the gnome menu
<jcater> hmm
<nickr> (since the debian menu system covers everything capable of showing a menu just about)
<jcater> nickr: you know how to register in the debian menu system?
<nickr> yea, I'll get the doc for you
<jcater> I'll create an --install-debian-menu option
<nickr> jcater: got a debian box handy?
<nickr> the manual is in /usr/share/doc/menu/
<jcater> nickr: only thing I use nowadays
<jcater> crap
<jcater> I don't have that dir
<nickr> if you are in 2.2 its in /usr/doc/menu
<nickr> or you may need to install the 'menu' package :)
<jcater> ah
<jcater> installing now
<jcater> thanks
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<jcater> hmm
<jcater> that will mean the end-user will need to have menu installed?
<nickr> Yes
<nickr> many/most end users typcially do
<nickr> I would think
<nickr> hrm, its only 'optional'
<nickr> I would've made it important
<nickr> because the gnome menus are hugely incomplete
<nickr> so are the kde menus
<nickr> the debian menus are very convenient
<jcater>      Please do _not_ put your packages into any other sections without
<jcater>      asking for permission first!
<jcater>        Apps            - normal apps
<jcater>          Editors       - editors (run it in xterm, if nothing else)
<jcater>          Emulators     - dosemu, etc.
<jcater>          Graphics      - xpaint, xfig, xtiff, etc.
<jcater>          Hamradio      - Anything relating to ham radio.
<jcater>          Math          - gnuplot, octave, oleo, etc.
<jcater>          Net           - mail, news, web, irc, etc.
<jcater>          Programming   - debuggers, etc.
<jcater>          Tools         - other tools: xclock, xmag, xman, etc.
<jcater>          Technical     - technical stuff.
<jcater>          Text          - text oriented tools other than editors.
<jcater>          Shells        - bash, ksh, zsh, etc.
<jcater>          Sound         - TkMidity, etc.
<jcater>          Viewers       - Picture viewers, gs, etc.
<jcater>          System        - system administration and monitoring tools
<jcater> where would we go?
<nickr> hrm
<chillywilly> why are my debian menus empty?
<nickr> their catagories are horribly constraning
<jcater> nickr: yeah, they are
<jcater> where would business apps go?
<nickr> I'd say math maybe
<jcater> hrm
<dsmith> Gnumeric goes in math
<nickr> the catagory selection needs improving I think
Action: chillywilly is back (gone 00:15:38)
<dsmith> GnuCash goes in tools
<nickr> Ah, put it in 'databases'
<nickr> for god's sake don't put it in tools
<nickr> tools is the garbage pile
<jcater> I don't see a database section
<nickr> I know it doesn't list Databases on that list, but IU have a databases section
<dsmith> Didn't say it was right. :) Just an example.
<nickr> in my menu
<nickr> which has psql in it
<dsmith> Detabases is above Editors
<nickr> And since this sin't an 'official' debian package rigcht now, its not an issue, you could put it in its very own golder if you wanted to stink up the place
<nickr> I think databases is probably the best section though :)
<derek> if hamradio has its own section
<derek> business should be a section :)
<nickr> derek: amen
<dsmith> I think "Buisness" would be great!
<jcater> seriously, it should
Action: derek is away: zzzzzzz
<chillywilly> fuckin' bitch
<derek> business or productivity or office
<derek> or soemthing
<nickr> jcater: file a wishlist bug against the menu package
<jcater> ok
<nickr> for 'business'
Action: chillywilly is gtetting his ass wooped in street fighter
<nickr> section
<chillywilly> by chun lee
<nickr> I like playing chun lee
<nickr> she kicks ass
Action: chillywilly usually only plays ken
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<nickr> cause its easy to do the harukan or whatever?
<chillywilly> no, because I like ken and I am a one character kinda guy
<nickr> dork :)
<nickr> I like that mad monk guy too
<chillywilly> the indian guy?
<nickr> eh, street fighter is nothing next to Soul Caliber
<nickr> yea
<chillywilly> he's lame
<chillywilly> does that run on snes?
<nickr> No, Dreamcast
<chillywilly> cause if it don;t then forget about it
<chillywilly> ;P
Action: chillywilly only has a snes amulator
<nickr> it is the best fighting game ever done
<chillywilly> emulator
<nickr> yet another reason to buy a PS2, cause the sequel will be for it!!
<chillywilly> bam
<chillywilly> took that bitch out
<nickr> some of her specials are easy to do too
<nickr> her little fire kick thing
Action: chillywilly jsut got a perfect against balrog
<nickr> heh, cool
<chillywilly> vega wooped my ass
<nickr> which one is that?
<chillywilly> the weird guy with the claw thing from spain
<nickr> oh right
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<fitzix> hello
<nickr> Hi
<fitzix> nickr: hello - how are ya?
<chillywilly> dude
<chillywilly> whaddup g muney
<fitzix> chillywilly: what's up?
<nickr> I'm excellent
<fitzix> nickr: cool :)
<chillywilly> sagat is kicking my ass now
<fitzix> derek: hey derek, you there?
<chillywilly> fucking sagat
Nick change: mdean -> Zdean
<nickr> chillywilly: which one was that?
<Zdean> cd
<chillywilly> the thailand guy
<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> you faker Zdean
<nickr> Zdean: ah hah!
<Zdean> dammit! ;-)
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