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<chillywilly> hi reinhard
<fitzix> hey reinhard
<reinhard> morning all
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<baux> hi all
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<chillywilly> sup derek, all
<chillywilly> l8r
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<jcater> howdy
<ToyMan> morning jcater
<jcater> morning
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<dsmith> pong
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<dneighbo> in a bind?
<dneighbo> have programming deadlines?
<dneighbo> you just need a little 'goat-tuff'
<dneighbo> http://www.alaskabowhunting.com/images/goat-tuff.jpg
<dneighbo> jcater i played w/ designer some last night and the goats visited......
<dneighbo> wife took a picture before bed
<dneighbo> http://www.goatley.com/hunter/images/crab-goat.jpg
<jcater> rofl
<dneighbo> man i feel like crap, i think im gonna head home
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<Yurik> re
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<Yurik> re
<jamest> hi
<Yurik> jamest hi
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<Yurik> jcater hi
<jcater> howdy
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<Yurik> chillywilly :-)
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<derek> man being sick just sucks
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<derek> chillywilly: what is the link to the dotgnu company
<chillywilly> ummm
<chillywilly> hold on
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<Yurik> re
<chillywilly> sup g
<Yurik> chillywilly hacking?
<chillywilly> yes, trying to figure out how to use C++ STL map and/or multimap
<Yurik> C++ sucks :-)
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<chillywilly> C++ ownz you punk
<Yurik> hehe
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<fitzix> hello
<derek> hi
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<derek> hmmmmm
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<fitzix> heheh - appropriate
<derek> thanks to those that returned him : --> mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-73-63.kc.rr.com) has joined #gnuenterprise
<fitzix> derek: you want to put the shackles back on, or should I?
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<derek> shackles are so '1980' ;)
<fitzix> hehhe
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<derek> good boy
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<chillywilly> it's all lonely in here now
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<chillywilly> sup jc
<jcater> dang
<jcater> empty in here
<chillywilly> what?
<chillywilly> big ass netsplit
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<jcater> welcome backm all
<chillywilly> see?
<chillywilly> ;P
<nickr> oich
<derek> sup jcater
<jcater> howdy
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<chillywilly> hi dres
<dres> lo chillywilly
<chillywilly> medium dres
<chillywilly> ;P
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<dres> :)
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<chillywilly> thanx ;)
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<chillywilly> maps are kewl
<mdean> std::maps kick arse
<dres> like maps of the world? or like maps of values?
<mdean> maps of anything you want ;-)
<chillywilly> what mdean said
<nickr> I wish the GIS tools were easer to use
<chillywilly> std::map in c++
<dres> yea, but c++ is NOT kewl. ;) (them's fighting words)
<nickr> whats c++? a club or something?
<mdean> them IS fightin' werds!
<chillywilly> c++ rox
<chillywilly> punk
<chillywilly> ObjC is for weenies
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<chillywilly> and MacOS wannabes
<chillywilly> you knwo what else rocks auto_ptr<>
<chillywilly> ;)
<mdean> whaddat?  never used it
<chillywilly> a smart pointer
<mdean> auto delete?
<nickr> CHEEKY MONKEY?
<chillywilly> yep
<nickr> er, pardon my caps
<nickr> hokay, this vcd crap is pissing me off now
<mdean> schweet - use something similar in COM for ref count management (CComPtr<>)
<chillywilly> yea, but auto_ptr does not do ref counting
<mdean> it probably doesn't need to ;-)
<nickr> what if te pointer points to it self?
<mdean> CComPtr is nice so you don't have to put ->AddRef() and ->Release() all throughout your code
<mdean> = is overloaded as well I think, so it will release on assignment
<mdean> auto_ptr<> part of std::?
<dres> ya know what's kewl?  Languages that don't need hacks like auto_ptr to do good memory management.
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<jcater> rofl
<mdean> like VB?
<chillywilly> haha
<dres> hey.  there's a bad apple in every barrel (actually I've never even seen VB code so I can't really comment)
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<kreisznerdoz> derek: are you available
<kreisznerdoz> how about jcarter
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<derek> btw: summer catch is a decent flick if you like baseball and want to just veg
<kreisznerdoz> derek:  My server with Corel R2 just went down. Might be a good time to install Debian. I am suspecting the HD that came with the unit since Coret doesn't seem to want to install.
<derek> hmmm....
<derek> you have fast internet? (broadband) and/or a CD burner?
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<derek> as i think if its toast and you are ok w/ losing whats on there, we are better off just installing debian
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<nickr> hooray for debian
<chillywilly> hooray!!!
<kreisznerdoz> derek: The hard drive that is bad is not my data drive and I suspect my data is still intact I have a 40 G removable HD
<derek> ok cool
<derek> so its a matter of replacing bad drive
<derek> installing debian on it
<derek> and then mounting the 40gig on it :)
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<nickr> the woody install is even nicer than the potato install
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<kreisznerdoz> I am considering installing on my daughters computer by removing her win Hd and installing a 15 G unit I have and the 40 G. She is in Ohio at present and prob won't be back for 2-3 mths. Her comp is about 2X as fast a 333 celeron. The HP vectra just happens to be the exact one that one of my antique Hp integrators mentions as the unit of choice for a dos file server.
<nickr> crazy
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<nickr> a 333 is 'antique' now?
<kreisznerdoz> I realize that but the Hp 166 vectra w 33 M edo is really and antique. I have been waiting for memory prices to come down before replacing the unit I am now on and using it as the server. I only use the server for backups right now anyway.
<kreisznerdoz> But I suspect that is about to change when I use the server as a db server.
<kreisznerdoz> My connection is ISDN 128 and I have a CD burner and am becoming infatuated with xCDroaster or whatever its called
<derek> kreisznerdoz: grab lastest debian .iso (you should only need first disk)
<derek> and burn it
<derek> start with debian opposed to corel (it will save us time in long run)
<nickr> that was a question
<nickr> I think a 333 is still within accepted modern norms
<kreisznerdoz> I have Debian 2.2r4 is that latest or is ther newer
<nickr> r5 just came out
<nickr> not that it really matters if you have bandwidth
<kreisznerdoz> The 333 has 128 M ram and a reasonably fast video card because it was once my sons game machine.
<kreisznerdoz> I can download by tommorrow if it would be an improvemnet does it use the 2.4 kernel or allow ext3 fs
<jcater> kreisznerdoz: I'd install what you have
<jcater> the beauty of Debian is apt-get dist-upgrade :)
<nickr> thats waht I mean about it not mattering :)
<jcater> kreisznerdoz: I use ext3 + 2.4 kernel w/debian on a production server
<kreisznerdoz> how do you do that
<jcater> install what you have first, then we'll show you all the joys of debian
<jcater> but quite literally you type the following two lines: 
<jcater> apt-get update
<jcater> apt-get dist-upgrade
<jcater> and you have the latest stable debian
<jcater> (after a little downloading of course)
<jcater> we can walk you thru all of that, of course
<kreisznerdoz> Man you guys have made the last few days so rewarding I really appreciate it I basically have been livingin a vacuum
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