[00:01] Last message repeated 1 time(s). chillywilly_ (~danielb@d37.as6.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@d163.as4.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Killed (NickServ (Ghost: chillywilly_!~danielb@d37.as6.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net)) SachaS (~sacha@203.190.196.218) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). Nick change: chillywilly_ -> chillywilly I have to remove my 15 G from this machine so I will be logging in a sec. I will also be installing windows 98 on that system first so that I can rcover some old backup files backed up with msbackup which I have been unable to run on ME. I hope to save all backups in tar in the future. kreisznerdoz (KennethRei@ppp005.alx.la.xspedius.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" Action: derek is away: zZZZZ jcater (jason@24.92.70.201) left irc: "sleep" fitzix (fitzix@63.137.252.64.snet.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" chillywilly (danielb@d37.as6.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: reinhard (~rm@62.47.44.225) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Action: fitzix is back (gone 00:45:12) lol just noticed the price printed on a free magazine called "Computer Technology Review" what was the price? $25 an issue ( it's 46 pages long heheh - and it's "free" ? yip they'll sent it free to anyone in the tech industry i guess this is the news stand price :) heh - send free once, then try to get people to subscribe reinhard (rm@N808P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there" no, free all the time alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. hmm... interesting... i wish they'd stop sending the #!@# things personally hehe are there a lot of proprietary tech reviews? not too bad jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. morning hey sunshine whoa jcater how are you? linux gfdes is borked too sigh Action: jamest is happy to make jcater's day "say it ain't so, james; say it ain't so..." heh Action: derek is back (gone 00:48:05) fitzix: just saw your question I am fine...thanks for asking jcater: i thought it would have been... 'she just wouldnt hold cap'n' derek: can you run gfdes from cvs? you're funny actually let me give it a run dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs/gnue$ cvs -z3 $GNUECVS update -Pd gfdes seems to work for me from cvs just running it was tehre something specific that was failing? yeah it's called jamest it won't work on any of his machines but works on all 3 of mine oh man oh, crap... i just creamed myself Action: derek runs to get a rag I was thinking "if $LOGNAME == "dneighbo" " but I must've coded "if $LOGNAME == "jamest" " when did 'datasource editor' show up jamest: you might want to do a grep jamest on the *.py and change that reference derek: yesterday... it'll be functional today i'll try it later jcater: now i just need to make my connections.conf editor and i will be really joyed hey i meant to ask.... on forms is it a 'python' module? i.e. can i embed it in other python programs? no ex: im thinking of trying to make GNUe CRM integrate w/ an existing python email client well yes and no theoretically what would be cool is to add it to their menu it's GFClient object and when menu is called it imports necessary items however 0 testing has been done on embedding and creates gfclient with gpd or gfd that makes sense jamest: im talking purely theory here im not ready to do it today derek: it's your fault we voted sweet setup.py is installing funny and I'm sure you're involved jamest: what happens when you try gfdes as i had issues until i basically uninstalled all my compononents and reinstalled them the 'jcater' way :) import error on? Instance argggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i cant seem to get a cd to friggin work er cdrom they all bust at same time!!! joebullhead (~joe@h-64-105-244-252.ATLNGAHP.covad.net) joined #gnuenterprise. sigh maybe the cdrom just doesnt work under linux mount /dev/cdrom /cdrom/ yields cdrom: open failed over and over then mount: No medium found Action: derek thinks it might not be a fould cdrom drive though try the various hd's /dev/hda hdb hdc hdd as now several disks seem to give tihs jamest/ ? dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) dres_ (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. look in dmesg output jamest how? dmesg | more find the /dev/hd* device that it thinks is the cd-rom then make sure /dev/cdrom points to that device or just try mount /cdrom w/o a device ok VFS: Disk change detected on device ide1(22,0) cdrom: open failed. in dmesg mount /cdrom produces the same what is 'odd' is this cdrom drive worked at one time as i had to use it to install debian alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: "Client Exiting" sigh, sometimes i think everytime i go to be productive the hardware gods are out to get me if this were a dual boot i would try the drive on windows i suppose i could pull it and move to a windows machine but what a pain in the ass try dmesg | grep ROM fitzix : nada hey jamest all my firewall messages come to my screen instead of a log how do i stop that (as its IRRATING AS HELL) hmm... Packet log: input DENY eth0 PROTO=17 ...... they show up in dmesg too shut off packet logging :) unless you really want to read them is it done with a kprintf? otherwise look in /etc/syslog.conf or is this a userland program? as I think it's set in there to test w/o removing grab a win98 setup boot floppy it has a boot to dos w/ cd-rom support hahaha dos w/ cdrom support i dont have a disk that does that :) do you have a win98 box? no, the disk that came w/ recent windows derek: if not, I can make a boot disk and dd an image the setup disk hmm syslog.oonf too overwhelming for me um i dont 'own' windows i have an OEM copy only thats it and remember they make it so evil that you basically get an image of your machine and thats it derek: I'll make you a test disk as you woudl never want to 'upgrade' your machine and reinstall windows ;) hehe - yep actually derek: dcc me your /var/log/dmesg file um dcc is evil for me :) hehe btw: this is on diff machine fitzix: i use ip masq stuff so dcc dont like me ahh... yep let me ssh to a public machine for you makes sense you can e-mail it to me fitzix@sdf.lonestar.org http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/dmesg that is /var/log/dmesg /dev/hdc is your cd-rom yummyyy pod, 'alive' i needed this song right now :) ls -la /dev/cdrom should yield if i do an ls -l /dev/cdrom it points to -->/dev/hdc /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hdc yip it does hmm.. sounds like either a kernel or hardware problem to me ah shit no it doesnt hehhe well it kind of does derek: I'll make you a win98 setup disk to test with it says it sucks that we have to go there /dev/cdrom -> hdc oh that's fine :) you can try resetting the symlink, or you can try mounting w/ 'mount /dev/hdc /cdrom' although, I doubt that that willwork the message you got indicates that there's something either wrong with the module or with the hardware (or the disk)... not that the symlink is wrong... right if the symlink were completely wrong, it would give an error about it not being a block device file I'll make that disk it 'could' be hardware, but it shouldnt be btw: im gonna cry having to boot this windows in fact i might just go buy a new cd for the other box :) as what happened is my cdr burner busted on my other box i need the cd for that box and i was just gonna use a samba share to hit the one that we are troubleshotting now and now it seems dorked (which is TOTALLY my luck) yep - but the only isolator is to use different software on it... i have had nothing but trouble with this machien and finally got the thing stable and am at like 74 days uptime that will help isolate the variables... so having to reboot is gonna make me cry heh - it could be the cmd640 chipset, which has many bugs brb dood i get HARD errors o n chipshet in fact until i upgraded to debian the machine would just STOP on me now it gives me nice error that says dood reseting your cpu clock it sucks bag Action: derek needs to buy new cdrw anyhow i will start picking up free hardware now i could have like 5 cdroms for free (with rebate) and i figured why bother, now i know better you can never have 'enough' parts in your computer graveyard :) dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) dres_ (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) dres_ (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. ok found 49.99 16x10x40 cd-rw will have to run out at lunch and pick it up also found 39.99 dvd player :) but i just need some new machines period as my situation here is pretty sad alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. derek what class of PC? you can pick up a refurbed p2-233 dell w/ cdrom, audio, 3GB HD, mouse, kb for $135 derek: do you want the disk image e-mailed to you or sent otherwise? jamest: i was looking to pick up a athlon 1.4ghz bare bones for 199 case, cpu, motherboard etc then put own memory, harddrive and such in it the mother board has video, sound, ethernet but realistically im broke right now so tis not happening today :) derek: where did you get that? holsch (~schurig@p5080A1AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #gnuenterprise. Hi all fry's electonrics hello derek: do you want that disk? jbailey (~jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp318490.sympatico.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. yeah email to derek@gnue.org jamest: ok ah not athlon 1ghz duron builtin 3d video and sound w/ wavetable 10/100mb ether net card udma/100 harddrive controller 199 where? w/ case and power etc at fry's electronics ah derek: it's on it's way why it's registering as 2 megs, I do not know.. but you can out it on a disk w/ the line dd if=./win98se_setup.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=1440k ummm actually i dont know if i have a linux box w/ a floppy now that i think about it hehe hmm... I guess the only way to do it would be to swap out the cd-rom... er... you can make one in windows by going to add/remove programs and choosing the third tab over brb actually - I've gotta do something.. be back later later fitzix (fitzix@63.137.252.64.snet.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" you all see the lindows lawsuit and turning over of email list.... i am NOT a fan of lindows, but man microsoft sure is gutsy no and sad thing is they likely will win this, if not just by outlasting the other guy i.e. they will likely kill lindows on legal rather than technical grounds i.e. use the war chest to bankrupt lindows I'm sure that's the strategy. i just dont see a. how windows was trademarked in the first place b. how they can not 'protect' windows name except for competition i.e. i have winamp, or winzip, or windows commander ad nausem or even X windows and not sue but minute someone does something 'similar' that is DIRECT competition i gnarl my teeth Well, if those could run windows apps, so you wouldn't need windows, they'd sue all right. rofl :) i guess i always like a litmus test though if microsoft had stolen all bsd code and made a version of windows that ran linux apps and called it lindows woudl our community be running around crying foul and screaming over the name? if so then bill gates and company should deserve the right ot do the same (imho) WHat about kerberos? dsmith: im talking only name not technology :) i.e. linux is trademarked and windows is trademarked They basically did the same. Are they still calling it kerberos? or something else. Action: dsmith doesn't remember im just curious i think its absurd and i would bitch if linux advocates whined if microsoft came out with MS Linux or whatever i.e. i am not very fond of trademark or copyright law as it sits :) and being able to trademark the word windows seems insane to me DOS perfectly acceptable to tm, but windows... thats like me saying i want to trademark 'enterprise' That's why intel used "pentum" instead of "586". They could trademark it. so its GNU(tm) Enterprise(tm) and im gonna sue every bastard out there with software that has an 'enterprise' label in fact i think i own 'datacenter' trademark time to tell 'windows' that their 'datacenter' version is in violation ;) sigh ON THE SAME TOKEN i think that lindows HAD TO FOR SEE m$ pitching a fit and so picking a questionable name was JUST STUPID UNLESS they figured they would ride the press of it (which they are getting lots of free press) HOWEVER getting into a legal pissing match with microsoft isnt the SMARTEST thing for an upstart to do (imho) According to a recently released state software study, in 2000, software piracy cost the United States more than $5.6 billion in lost wages and resulted in a tax loss of close to $1.6 billion.** [12:17] Last message repeated 2 time(s). yeah and i have a 15in peter lemme guess... and it's between your 20" and 12" peters peter, paul and mary? "and it's a taffee-pulling contest at St. Peters. There's no such saint as St. Taffee..." ahaha alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: "Client Exiting" fitzix (~fitzix@63.137.252.64.snet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hello hello this quote is CLASSIC "People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs." ~Someone's sig in a newsgroup rofl jcater: you might enjoy this one too (i did being a married fellow that is aging) The best way to get most husbands to do something is to suggest that perhaps they're too old to do it. -- Ann Bancroft though my wife says this one is more true : What's the difference between a boyfriend and a husband? About 30 pounds. --Cindy Garner hehe More like 50 pounds for me My friend says "The fastest way to a mans heart is through his breastplate" Action: dsmith has accuired girth holsch (~schurig@p5080A1AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left #gnuenterprise. oh this is beyond hilarious (i knew i liked the lj folks for a reason) go to http://www.livejournal.com/?frank=urinate and mouse over (frank the goat) in the corner hehehhehe what the hell is that!? lol 30 pounds is dead on however I was 30lbs more as the boyfriend nickr: aint you never seen a goat taking a piss before? dsmith (dsmith@d229.as0.clev.oh.voyager.net) left irc: "later.." fitzix: not in public heh - it's not pretty the best are rhinos the females pee 'backwards' kind of one day at the zoo she was standing close to the wall and 'sprayed' which is about a 10 foot deal heheh and nailed like a family of 5 i almost died i was laughing so hard ehhehe derek: Hah, I've been narrowly missed by that before Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. re jbailey (jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp318490.sympatico.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) nickr: so the moral of the story? dont go to the zoo, unless you're willing to get pissed ;) derek: I think its more along the lines of not standing behind or beside large mammals or in the case of billygoats, in front of, either Indeed fitzix_ (~fitzix@63.137.252.64.snet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. fitzix (fitzix@63.137.252.64.snet.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" Nick change: fitzix_ -> fitzix many great lessons are learned at the zoo Action: Yurik is back Action: mdean looks around... hey mdean you really here? joebullhead (joe@h-64-105-244-252.ATLNGAHP.covad.net) got netsplit. jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) got netsplit. 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ToyMan (~stuq@c5300-1-ip223.albany.thebiz.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). dood project 86 just rocks my socks ? we dont discuss java here. sorry, i finally got my play list done and cleaned up so hearing my music again http://www.project86.com/ Action: derek is looking forward to release of 'crash rickshaw' debut as well it'd xbe cool if emacs had a fullscreen version like galeon has ra3vat (ds@195.239.204.226) left irc: "Client Exiting" dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Remote closed the connection dres__ (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres__: must be getting turned on, the longer he is here the bigger his _ gets ;) haha sick Nick change: mdean -> mdean-[ut-daughter] Action: derek is away: at park with kids anyone here use red carpet i have a solaris box that still has helix gnome on it god no decided to screw the machine up, er, I mean update the ximian packages and I'm getting 100bytes per sec nickr: i agree actually, however gnome didn't build on solaris from source when I did this the "fix" was to use ximian gnome i never figured that one out myself they could build on solaris but the gnome tarballs couldn't they have well payed slave labor reinhard (~rm@62.47.44.225) joined #gnuenterprise. actually red carpet is probably a good service for those who it targets speaking of package management, I just discovered synaptic today, its a pretty goovy apt frontend Nick change: mdean-[ut-daughter] -> mdean dsmith (~dsmith@d176.as5.clev.oh.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (rm@62.47.44.225) left irc: "Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig likes it" Nick change: mdean -> mdean-[yawa] dsmith (dsmith@d176.as5.clev.oh.voyager.net) left irc: "later.." jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: "[x]chat" jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" fitzix (fitzix@63.137.252.64.snet.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" chillywilly (~danielb@d5.as4.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. rdean (rdean@chcgil2-ar2-054-180.chcgil2.dsl.gtei.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Action: jbailey is away: I'm busy Nick change: mdean-[yawa] -> mdean jcater (~jason@HubA-mcr-24-92-70-201.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jc sup g howdy Action: fitzix is away: I'm busy Action: fitzix is back (gone 00:00:54) Action: fitzix is away: food Action: fitzix is back (gone 00:16:07) Action: fitzix is away: store run Action: jbailey is back (gone 00:42:35) Mr_You: if you type something else it'll start it if its in /usr/games/ madlocke (madlocke@p5080749D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest, jcater: in few seconds you should get mail ;) madlocke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! excellent madlocke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!' [19:29] Last message repeated 2 time(s). er did i mention er madlocke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!' :) madlocke: you sending tarball or cvs commit? single files ;) cool just wanted to send something... ;) i just starting digging into some UI issues didn't want to look at the html... it is a bit further than wx