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<ajmitch> morning reinhard
<reinhard> hey ajmitch
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<Yurik> madlocke re
<madlocke> hi yurik... still awake or again?
<chillywilly> hello
<madlocke> hey chilly
<Yurik> madlocke have slept for few hours :)
Action: Yurik -> smoke
<chillywilly> the funny thing about smoking is it'll kill you
Action: Yurik is back
<Yurik> chillywilly life will kill, too
<chillywilly> heh
Action: chillywilly has heard that excuse a million times
<Yurik> hehe :)
<chillywilly> but anyway, I;m not here to lecture anyone
<chillywilly> hey madlocke how goes the hacking :)?
Action: chillywilly wonders where ra3vat has disappeared to
<chillywilly> haven't seen him in a while
<Yurik> chillywilly if he is young, may be an examinations
<chillywilly> nah, he's an old man ;)
Action: chillywilly feels like an old man
<chillywilly> Yurik: you have exams or something/
<chillywilly> s#/#?#
<Yurik> chillywilly nope
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> what did you do to madlocke he's not talking anymore ;)?
<Yurik> chillywilly dunno :)
<Yurik> chillywilly probably he is sleepy? :))
Action: madlocke is coding ;)
<chillywilly> kewl :)
<chillywilly> what are you coding?
<Isomer> hrm
Action: Isomer reads the KC
<chillywilly> hi Isomer
<madlocke> on layout managers. trying other widgets now
Action: Yurik is writing specification... it will never end :] argh..
<madlocke> hope we don't have to follow the specifications ;)
<chillywilly> or polymethylcyclohexane to be more precise :P
Action: Isomer thinks that mono is to .NET as wine is to win32, dotGNU is to .NET as KDE is to win32, and someone really should be working on gnome :)
<chillywilly> hmmm
<chillywilly> how is dotGNU like KDE is to win32?
<chillywilly> someone is working on Gnome
<chillywilly> in fact I think it is good for Gnome that ximian/miguel is distracted with Mono ;P
<Isomer> dotGNU is basically taking .NET and implementing the same thing again with all the same problems etc
<Isomer> cw: heh :)
<chillywilly> nope
<chillywilly> that's not the goal of DotGNU
Action: Isomer still doesn't understand why they need a "IL"
<chillywilly> DotGNU wants to be downwardly compatible
<Isomer> you certainly don't need a IL to implement a single signon protocol.
<chillywilly> but, they want to tie the rest of the GNU software together with their own web services framework, imho
<chillywilly> thta's just the portable.net stuff
<chillywilly> that's
<chillywilly> there's the SEE, DEE, and other components
<Isomer> yeah
<chillywilly> Secure Execution Environment, Distributed Execution Environment
<Isomer> defining a really nice web services framework I think is a really good idea
Action: madlocke likes .net too
<Isomer> SOAP, XMLRPC, CORBA's RPC (whatever it is)
<Isomer> (IOL?)
<chillywilly> yep and Java, C# (M$ shit), will all be pluggable
<Isomer> we do web services at work, and everyone appears to think that "CSV" is really 'neat'
<chillywilly> CSV?
<chillywilly> comma separated values ;P
<Isomer> yeah
<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> I was joking
<chillywilly> no xml?
<Isomer> Ebay is the only one that uses something resembling XML
<Isomer> it's weird
<chillywilly> ah
<chillywilly> that's interesting
<Isomer> yeah
<Isomer> thats what I thought
<chillywilly> so a potential market for dotGNU Inc. (yes they are forming a copany) could be e-commerce
<Isomer> having a nice standard way of exporting information would be great
<Isomer> yep
<Isomer> you really don't want to know how web payment gateways work
<chillywilly> sure I do
<madlocke> me too ;)
<madlocke> explain
Action: chillywilly thinks it might be a bit scary
<Isomer> basically you have "www.a.com" who's an ecommerce site.  "www.b.com" is a credit card clearing company.
<chillywilly> btw, corba is an rpc for objects
<chillywilly> like soap
<chillywilly> but it uses IIOP instead of xml
<Isomer> cw: yeah, I know.  I was just trying to remember what the acronym for the protocol was (IIOP)
Action: chillywilly wants to write a pluggable OO rpc thingy so you could use whatever you wanted
<Isomer> when you go through checkout on "www.a.com" it bounces you to a url "www.b.com/foo/?id=12", www.b.com fetches a preprogrammed URL ("www.a.com/foo/?id=12") and gets the information from it.  When the customer successfully pays it fetches ("www.a.com/success") or ("www.a.com/fail") and redirects the web browser to som page (www.a.com/continue)
<Isomer> so if you can guess the success / fail urls
<Isomer> you can spoof things
<Isomer> some are even less secure than that
<chillywilly> wow, that is shitty
<chillywilly> so, knowing what you know do you stil buy things online?
<Isomer> I don't buy anything online :)
<Isomer> I don't have a credit card
<madlocke> hm... was thinking there are lot of payment protocols like iKP for example... these are not used?
<Isomer> madlocke: companies want to charge you a lot more for those
Action: chillywilly doesn't use credit cards either, but I do use my VISA check card
<Isomer> and ecommerce sites want to save every single cent.
Action: chillywilly 's credit cards are all mzed out :P
<Isomer> iKP is probably used by the credit card clearing webistes (www.b.com in the example)
<chillywilly> Isomer: I would recommend ou never get one
<chillywilly> s/ou/you
<chillywilly> ;)
Action: chillywilly is not familiar with this iKP protocol
<Isomer> cw: neither
<Isomer> for the ecommerce code we do, I got them to clean it up a bit
<chillywilly> hey
<Isomer> for example, having them store all passwords as one way hashes and doing verification (instead of storing the password and comparing)
<madlocke> so it is only part because if i remember correctly iKP defines the whole transaction.
<chillywilly> can any of you python gurus whip me up a one liner to print put the IP address for a machine?
<Isomer> and then we encrypt the users CC information with their password
<chillywilly> s/put/out
<Isomer> chillywilly: a machine can have multiple IP addresses
<chillywilly> well lets assume that it doesn't and you can use ifconfig
<chillywilly> how can I use the python interpreter to execute a program form the command line?
Action: chillywilly should stop being lazy and look it up
<Isomer> __import__("posix").popen("ls").readlines()
<Isomer> map(lambda x:x.split(":"),__import__("posix").popen("/sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep 'inet addr'").readlines())[0][1]
<Isomer> I think is the IP address
<Isomer> and a very hidious python line 
<Isomer> warning: untested :)
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> what siwtch can I give the interpreter to take that line and execute it?
<chillywilly> without stikcing it into a file
<Isomer> python -c '.....'
<Isomer> I think from memory
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> do you need to quote it?
<chillywilly> 'cmd'
<chillywilly> it didn't like it
<Isomer> you probably do yes
<chillywilly> danielb@obfuscation:~$ python -c 'map(lambda x:x.split(":"),__import__("posix").popen("/sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep 'inet addr'").readlines())[0][1]'
<chillywilly>   File "<string>", line 1
<chillywilly>     map(lambda x:x.split(":"),__import__("posix").popen("/sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep inet
<Isomer> ah
<Isomer> hrm
<chillywilly> er
<Isomer> stick \'s around the ''s in the 'inet addr' 's
<chillywilly> ith the '^' pointing at inet
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> like this: \'inet addr\'") ?
<Isomer> yeah
<chillywilly> bah the shell is doing continuation now
<Isomer> shrug
<Isomer> might be better to do it in the interpreter
<Isomer> what are you trying to do andwhy?
<Isomer> that script's a very hidious hack
<chillywilly> it needs to be a one liner
<Isomer> if you wanted to do it in shell, why involve python at all?
<chillywilly> yes, it uses lambda
<Isomer> hrm
<Isomer> I was refering to the use of "__import__()" :P
<chillywilly> because ppl on the LUG list are having this little goofy contest
<Isomer> lambda is kinda nice
<chillywilly> and they have sheel utilities and perl one liners
<chillywilly> shell
<chillywilly> so I wated to throw python in there
<chillywilly> for shits and grin
<chillywilly> s
<chillywilly> lambda is hairy just like all that functional programming stuff :P
<chillywilly> imho
<chillywilly> >>> map(lambda x:x.split(":"),__import__("posix").popen("/sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep 'inet addr'").readlines())[0][1] 
<chillywilly> '192.168.1.2  Bcast'
<chillywilly> almost worked
<chillywilly> I think the shell does ssomething wacky to the 's around the inet addr
<Isomer> bash-2.04$ python -c 'print map(lambda x:__import__("string").split(__import__("string").split(x,":")[1]," "),__import__("posix").popen("/sbin/ifconfig eth0|grep \"inet addr\"").readlines())[0][0]'
<Isomer> 10.1.1.99
<Isomer> now thats python to be afraid of
<chillywilly> kewl
<Isomer> never let it be said that it's impossible to write unreadble python code
<Isomer> did the gnue debian packages make it in?
<chillywilly> I think so...
<chillywilly> what do I need to use debian oackages for ;)
<chillywilly> packages
Action: Isomer assumes they aren't in testing yet tho?
Action: chillywilly uses the source
<chillywilly> beats me
<chillywilly> I don't have any testing machines
<chillywilly> all unstable
Action: Isomer grabs the cvs copy then
Action: chillywilly has write access too,so if I don't like something I can just change it ;P
<Isomer> always makes things easier :)
<Isomer> hrm
<Isomer> certificate is out of date on gnuenterprise.org
<chillywilly> what certificate?
<Isomer> and it's selfsigned ;)
<Isomer> https://www.gnuenterprise.org/dclgw/
<Isomer> does gnue have a bug/task tracking system?
<chillywilly> we use savannah
<Isomer> ah ha
<chillywilly> (not the best thing I know)
<Isomer> no link off the front page that I can find
<chillywilly> complain to the web masters ;)
<chillywilly> (i.e, jamest, jcater)
Action: Isomer complains to the channel in general :)
<chillywilly> won't do you any good right now though
<chillywilly> hey pnet is apt-gettable now thanks to ajmitch
<chillywilly> Debian packages of Portable.NET released
<chillywilly> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<chillywilly> Andrew Mitchell has released Debian packages of DotGNU Portable.NET
<chillywilly> which are now available from http://www.dotgnu.org -- those who run
<chillywilly> Debian GNU/Linux can put this line into /etc/apt/sources.list to
<chillywilly> allow easy installation with apt-get.  Packages for GNU/Hurd are
<chillywilly> also planned, but not available yet.
<madlocke> cw: what does a better job than savannah?
<chillywilly> dunno, I think they want to interface with gnats
<chillywilly> but I have no idea how good gnats is
<chillywilly> does anyone use gnats anywhere?
<chillywilly> (any OS/FS project)
<madlocke> tried it long time ago... don't remember... lot of people like bugzilla
<chillywilly> some ppl also find it to be weird ;)
<madlocke> :)
<madlocke> what's wrong with savannah so they want to change it
Action: Isomer never really understood gnats
<chillywilly> I think a bug system shouldn't assume that all bugs are coming from users
<Isomer> hrm
<Isomer> you know
<chillywilly> developers find bugs in their code all the time
<chillywilly> and they should be abel to note it as such
<Isomer> gnu enterprise could write a good bug/job tracking system :)
<chillywilly> :D
<Isomer> and have forms distributed with it to browse/submit bugs :)
<Isomer> t'would be a good example of a complicated tool for gnue :)
Action: chillywilly wishes he had the money to go to LinuxWorld
<Isomer> what debian packages are required for gnue?
Action: chillywilly wonder where the gnue packages are
<chillywilly> wonders
<chillywilly> apt-get install gnue-designer gnue-common gnue-forms
<chillywilly> ;)
<chillywilly> apt-get install geas
<chillywilly> you'd have it all then
<chillywilly> apt-get instal geas-doc
<Isomer> E: Couldn't find package gnue-designer
<Isomer> hrm
<chillywilly> testing?
<Isomer> yeah
<chillywilly> these are in sid
<Isomer> wxpython appears to be for python1.5
<Isomer> well, I have to wait 10 days then :)
<chillywilly> apt-get update
<chillywilly> apt-get dist-upgrade
<chillywilly> ;P
<Isomer> what do they depend on?
<Isomer> in particular, what wxpython package?
<chillywilly> you only need to grab designer
<chillywilly> the other get pulled along
<chillywilly> others
<chillywilly> the geas one is old though as the cvs code is more funtional, imho
Action: Isomer has installed most of the dependances for python1.5, 2.0, 2.2, and now 2.1
<Isomer> I'll get a full set of dependancies one day :P
Action: chillywilly installs gnue debs for kicks
Action: Isomer worries about the gnue coders and their fascination with sheep :)
Action: chillywilly thinks that the desginer deb won't run either because of a borked wxgtk
<chillywilly> it's goats
<chillywilly> not sheep
<chillywilly> http://goats.gnue.org
Action: chillywilly wonders if 0.0.6 is the laste geas release we did
<Isomer> "Waddaya mean "Baa! B-Baa! ! Baa!"?... "Sheep ya dern fool!"
<chillywilly> wassat from?
<chillywilly> someone's sig?
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<chillywilly> blech
<chillywilly> danielb@obfuscation:~$ gfdesigner 
<chillywilly> libpng warning: Application was compiled with png.h from libpng-1.0.12
<chillywilly> libpng warning: Application  is  running with png.c from libpng-1.2.1
<chillywilly> libpng error: Incompatible libpng version in application and library
<chillywilly> ** ERROR **: No such image: tab_sel.png
<chillywilly> aborting...
<chillywilly> Aborted (core dumped)
<chillywilly> sme thing
<Isomer> it's the message I get in the status bar when I load designer :)
Action: chillywilly needs to see if they fixed the wxgtk package
<chillywilly> they grabbed the wrong dependency and compiled against the wrong libpng
Action: Isomer worries about jamest
Nick change: mdean-[moovee] -> mdean
<chillywilly> hehe, you're not the first one to do that ;)
<chillywilly> hey mdean
<mdean> guten morgen chillywilly
<chillywilly> ah yea
<chillywilly> you're a CST guy too
Action: chillywilly got up an hour ago
Action: chillywilly didn't have a very nice dream
<Isomer> chillywilly: the borg were invading?
<Isomer> anywya
<Isomer> I must lsepe now
<Isomer> before I fall over
<chillywilly> lsepe?
<Isomer> yeah
<Isomer> lsepe!
<chillywilly> no, I dreamt that my fiance died
<chillywilly> it wasn't cool
<Isomer> Definately not cool :(
<Isomer> Hope she's fine
<chillywilly> she is
<Isomer> I'm off to sleep and not dream about people dying
<Isomer> G'night :)
<chillywilly> night
<madlocke> cu
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<chillywilly> shouldn't forms depend on more than python-2.1 and gnue-common?
<Yurik> re
<chillywilly> howdy
<chillywilly> the description is a bit off though
<chillywilly> forms works in 2-tier with almost any database 
<chillywilly> not just postgres and mysql
<chillywilly> I don't like calling it a "forms painter"
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<chillywilly> hi jbailey ;)
<jbailey> Heya chillywilly!
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<dsmith> chillywilly: apt-cache search gnue
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<chillywilly> dsmith: alreday found 'em dude
<chillywilly> hi jamest
<jamest> hi
<chillywilly> isn't it too early to be awake?
<jamest> no
Action: chillywilly got up at 6am or so
<chillywilly> wxgtk is b0rked in sid
<chillywilly> this makes using forms and designer very difficult
<chillywilly> :(
<chillywilly> rebuilding the package didn't seem to work for me
<jamest> ah sid
<chillywilly> i.e., I couldn't get it to finish building
<chillywilly> yep
<jamest> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jamest/pre-release/
<chillywilly> some nice guy in #debian filed a bug report on it
<jamest> = next release of common, designer, forms
<chillywilly> although, nickr said he had filed bugs prior
<chillywilly> kewl
<chillywilly> 0.1.1?
<jamest> yes
<chillywilly> excellent
<jamest> should be out today
<jamest> in release form
<chillywilly> cool
<jamest> i have to go to the store
<jamest> then test on win32
<jamest> then we can release
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> cya around
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<chillywilly> I need to get my damn postgres running
Action: chillywilly says that about every day, but still has not gotten off his ass
<chillywilly> no big .exe for winblows yet?
<chillywilly> I suppose that'll happen some time today
<dsmith> chillywilly: I'm a little slow ...
<chillywilly> I noticed
<chillywilly> ;P
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<Yurik> re
<chillywilly> sup
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<madlocke> hey jamest
<chillywilly> he's away at the stor afaik
<madlocke> ah, thx.
<chillywilly> s/stor/store
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<chillywilly> hi reinhard
<reinhard> hello
<Yurik> re all
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<fitzix> hello
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<derek> Yurik:a few things
<jamest> back
<derek> the certificate is self signed and will remain that way unless you want to drop 150 US dollars to get it signed
<derek> we already have bug/tracking its called DCL
<derek> there are works porting it to the gnue architecture already
<derek> http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/gnue/service_requests.jpg
<derek> for example is a ROUGH form for such a thing
<derek> hi jamest
<derek> btw: that screen shot is from 'production' usage :)
<derek> at one of the largest local govt's in the united states ;)
<jamest> hi derek
<jamest> can you test tarballs today
<derek> yeah
<derek> what about .exe's
<jamest> I'm working on them now
<derek> rpms?
Action: derek cant test rpms but am wondering :)
<jamest> maybe
<jamest> i have other things i need to do today
<derek> i wish we could coordinate w/ debian maintainer to get debs loaded (the new release)
<jamest> all gnue related :)
<jamest> you have his email?
<derek> as i ahve a 'virgin' debian box that i need gnue installed on :)
<jamest> btw - I'm joinging all the db mailing lists i can find today
<jamest> and going to ask for testers
<derek> ok
<jamest> derek: what backend you using in that pic?
<derek> what other gnue stuff you got going on today?
<derek> postgres
<jamest> joining the lists
<jamest> the basic release
<jamest> then I'm adding trigger enhancements in forms
<jamest> if time allows I'm redoing the event system as well so that it plays nicer w/ the mouse
<jamest> i'll also fold in the i18n stuff from the dude from india
<jamest> also want to get a good look into madlocke's layout mgr
<jamest> and see what it'll take to add that in as well
Action: jamest has a busy day ahead
<jamest> oh yeah
<jamest> plan on doing an install guide too
<jamest> for maintainers
<jamest> wanted to be on it sooner 
<jamest> but had to go to store, then had to clean some driveways of snow
<derek> http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/gnue/dcl_account.png
<jamest> bbias
<derek> http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/gnue/dcl_departments.png
<derek> are other examples of gnue screens for dcl
<mdean> derek: "the eagle has landed."
<derek> :)
<derek> well i have babysitting duty so im screwed today
<derek> sigh
<derek> it will be a jacked weekend for work for me.........
<derek> bbl
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<jcater> 'sup?
<jcater> did i miss anything?
<mdean> d00d! wassup?
<jcater> taxes
<mdean> mmmm - I forgot to pick up my w2 this week
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<derek> taxes suck
Action: derek wont get my w2 stuff until like last day of jan :(
<derek> darn bureaucracy
<jamest> derek: you using db2 with forms?
<derek> yes
<derek> but not the 'db2driver'
<jamest> on what platforms?
<derek> im doing it via odbc
<derek> windows for forms
<derek> db on os/390 for back end
<derek> i tried to use the db2 driver in common
<derek> but it requires that some other library be loaded
<dsmith> derek: os/390! Yow!
<derek> i loaded the other library
<derek> but it requires the CLI from ibm
<derek> which i didnt have 
<derek> and i couldnt find for windows
<derek> i found them for linux
<derek> but have to install like 600 megs worth of stuff
<derek> and my workstations at work are tiny (like 2 gig) that have linux running on them
<derek> so it wasnt an option
<derek> i was going to install here at home though full db2 server
<derek> and start playing
<derek> i installed SAP DB at work on linux
<jamest> lol
<derek> but i cant 'figure' out how to add tables and such to it
<derek> i gave up as i got busy
<jamest> I'm uploading win32 exes to the pre-release
<jamest> dir
<jamest> however
<jamest> it's taking a lifetime
<jcater> <snicker>
<jcater>  \msg derek he still has dialup
<jamest> very funny
<jamest> ha ha ha
<derek>  \msg jcater poor guy, dont they have IT welfare in KS?
<jamest> didn't you know 
<jamest> the local bell company has wonderfull high speed access 
<jamest> they've spent a small fourtune providing it to parts of town where people don't want it or can't afford it
<jamest> all part of their cunning plan to drive everyone to cable modems
<jamest> so that their evil ISP 'partners' go belly up
<jamest> then they can snap up the DSL market
<jamest> wonder if they ever stopped to think there will not be a DSL market once cable is std
<jamest> morrons
<derek> rofl
<jamest> dude
<derek> i think its just an anti jamest campaign personally
<jamest> I'm almost 100% serious
<derek> but what do i know :)
<jamest> they are trying everything they can to fuck the ISPs
<jcater> jamest: it's a conpiracy against free software
<derek> when you have something in your cvs tree called 
<jcater> and in manhattan, ks he's the rep for free software
<derek>  camelproviders/
<jamest> in the mean time cable is making huge inroads here
<derek> it think the joke has gone too far :)
<jcater> who's cvs?
<derek> evolution
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> note to self: 
<jamest> dude
<derek> configure.in says:
<derek> camel_providerdir='$(libdir)/evolution/camel-providers/'$EVOLUTION_MAJOR_VERSION.$EVOLUTION_MINOR_VERSION
<derek> which results in:
<derek> camel_providerdir = $(libdir)/evolution/camel-providers/1.1
<derek> appearing in all Makefiles.
<derek> But the mail/Makefile.in *also* defines
<jamest> I'm uploading the win32 bins
<jamest> but if they don't work
<jamest> someone else may what to rebuild
<jamest> as it's a 5-10 minute process to upload one of four files
<jamest> what = want
<jamest> GNUe-Designer-0.1.1-debug.exe uploaded
<jcater> "You are not authorized to view this page"
<jamest> ?
<jamest> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jamest/pre-release/
<jcater> if I click on any of the ZIP filkes
<jcater> it'll download
<jcater> if I click on an .exe fle, I get that
<jamest> try now
<jcater> HTTP Error 403 - Forbidden 
<jcater> much mo betta
<jcater> downloading now
Action: jamest prepairs to be disgusted
<jcater> why?
Action: jamest is waiting for the "got it" from jcater
<jcater> nah
Action: jcater is getting HORRIBLE service recently
<jamest> <jcater> Um, I've downloaded the file 10 times in the last 5 minutes and it keeps telling me it's not a valid exe file
<jamest> <jamest> let me upload a new one,  try again on the 21st
<jcater> dude... it's taking me 4 minutes to download
<jamest> ahhhhhhh
<jamest> that new firewall rule works
<jamest> if broadband detected rate_limit_to_14.4
<jcater> dude!
<jcater> the exe is corrupt
<jcater> j/k
<jcater> ;)
<jcater> man
<jcater> wx looks so much better under win98 than gtk
<jcater> wish they'd work on that
<jcater> ahh
<jcater> designer is so purdy
Action: jamest thinks about his evil plans for it
<jcater> eh?
<jamest> i've been trying to grok how to use the data source editor
<jamest> and thinking that a tree of the schema layout might be easier to deal with
<jamest> dude
<jamest> I've been uploading the next file since 1:43
<jamest> I'm 82% done
Action: jcater grabs his datasource editor and holds it close
<jcater> "I'll protect you from that tree-huggin hippy"
<jcater> actually, I never foresaw the data source editor being the main schema tool
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<jamest> sigh
<jamest> the non debug designer uploaded
<jcater> downloading
<jcater> ooo
<jcater> much faster this time
<jcater> rock
<jcater> works
<jamest> you'll have forms to test out in about 5 min i hope
<jcater> cool
<jcater> I can only test dataless forms from here
<jcater> :(
<jamest> 64%
<jamest> we're rocking!
<derek> rofl
<derek> its like watching the abbott and costello release party :)
<jamest> i now know we can't release more often
<jamest> we have to wait for my modem to catch up
<jamest> maybe I should burn them onto cd and mail them to jcater
<jamest> it might be faster
<jamest> i'm putting together a list of db  driver authors and mailing lists
<jamest> and am contacting them about our drivers 
<jamest> looking for people to help give us the info we need for introspection
<jamest> as well as testers
<jamest> is there anything else I should address?
<jcater> well, of course mention our features, in an "oh, by the way" style
<jcater> ;)
<jamest> btw 79%
Action: jcater wonders if jamest has thought about bzipping the files, then scp, them bunzipping?
<jamest> i thought the exe's were already compacted
Action: jamest runs off to try it
<jcater> are they?
<jcater> they may be
<derek> mail woudl be to slow
<derek> but if you burned them
<derek> and then stood on street corner w/ sign 'memphis or bust'
<derek> you might find someone to 'carry them for you same day' ;)
<jamest> :)
<derek> if some one (ahem) will PLEASE get ssl postgres workign somewhere
<derek> i will fix the contact manager (as it really does work
<derek> so that we can put all contacts for gnue in it
<jamest> rock!
<jamest> bzip saves 40k
<jamest> that's like 15 minutes upload time!
<jcater> wow
<derek> as just today someone asked for baux's email address (our deb maintainer)
<derek> i have some of the data already
<jamest> 4758296 char exe 4711401 exe.bz
<jamest> lol
<jamest> that someone was me
<jamest> and i didn't get an answer
<jamest>  /msg jcater i think he's picked up on our policy of ignoring requests for features or info
<jamest> :)
<jamest> rock! debug forms available
<jamest> derek: can you win32 test?
<jamest> whoop non-debug at 11%
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> dude
<jcater> what was that keyerror you were getting on win32
<jcater> ?
<jcater> did you fix that?
<jamest> um
<jamest> crap
<jamest> no
<jamest> a key error in GFEntry error
<jcater> as I'm getting it with the intro.gfd
<jamest> yip
<jamest> that was the issue
Action: jamest whimpers
<jcater> btw, I wonder if rsyncing against the already uploaded binaries would help w/your "speed" problem
<derek> i can test jamest but not until after bills are done
<jcater> ah, nevermind
<jcater> does the keyerror cause a problem?
<jamest> jcater: i'd have to make the names match
<jcater> as the form still works
<jamest> no
<jamest> and it didn't happen on a sample form against a db
<jcater> ah
<jcater> actually, I think I recall this happening last time
<jcater> so I'm not too worried
<jcater> but we should probably trace it next time
<jamest> ok
<jcater> err, by next time, the problem will have probably gone away
<jamest> 31%
Action: jcater wonders if he could make it to KK and back before jamest's upload finished
Action: jamest starts accepting donations for the "Everyone needs a T1 fund"
<jamest> good ol local bell company has NO problems getting a T1 here
<jamest> at like $800+ a month
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> I think that'd be worth it
<jcater> don't you?
<jamest> yes
<jamest> however
<jamest> my better half would cause me pain
<jamest> :)
<jcater> house note or T1?
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<jcater> hmm
<jcater> easy decision
<jcater> T1
<jcater> after all, you practically live w/us anyway
<jamest> lol
<jcater> in a metaphysical sort of way
<jamest> :)'
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> kick your modem for me please
<jcater> it's causing me to stay in Win98 much longer than I'd prefer
<jamest> but
<jcater> I'm having tab-completion withdrawal
<jamest> we're at 50%
<nickr> hrm, wasn't somebody looking for web-based accounting a while back?
<jamest> rock!
<jcater> nickr: there's sql-ledger
<nickr> http://webaccountant.sourceforge.net/ arno
<nickr> also
<nickr> I don't remember who it was looking for it though
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<jamest> or course it's not from the speed, it's from it sucking so hard
<jcater> lol
<jcater> rofl
<jcater> derek: you need to read the comic strip on that link
<jcater> it's so appropriate
<derek> on what link
<jcater> HTTP Error 403 - Forbidden 
<jcater> http://webaccountant.sourceforge.net/
<jcater> oop
<jcater> ignore the HTTP error
<jamest> anyone know how to change the debian default editor
<jamest> other that EDITOR
<jcater> GNULedger?
<jcater> are they an official GNU project
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<jamest> sigh
<jamest> wasn't 1 enough
<jamest> 67%!!!!!!
<dneighbo_> sigh?
<dneighbo_> im starting to use my debian box soley and ditching the laptop so i can adequately kill the laptop
<nickr> jamest: with the alternatives mechanism
Action: derek is DYING from that comic strip
<nickr> I'm glad to bring a little joy into your lives
<jcater> dudes
<jcater> I need this
<jcater> http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/gadgets/594f.shtml
<jamest> 80%
<nickr> heheh
<jamest> this is unnatural
<nickr> yea mwy friend dropped a linkx to that yesterday
<jamest> I'm connected dirrectly to their network
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> <snicker>
<jcater> via a modem
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<nickr> I want an ipaq.
Action: jamest reaches for the trout.......hesitates with hand hovering above it......moves hand over and picks up Whale Shark
Action: derek assumes the kde loving j's want it too
<jamest> <SHHHHWAAAACK!>
<jcater> are you kidding
<jcater> I've finally got a 20" monitor in my house
<jcater> I'll be damned if I'm downgrading to a small screen like that
<nickr> hrm, anyone ever pour water down a monitor by accident/
<jamest> nickr: yes
<jcater> no, not by accident
<nickr> does it recover after drying out?
<jamest> well, mine looked like it'd been thru a rain storm
<jcater> was it on at the time?
<jamest> i left it off for a day
<nickr> Yes
<jamest> and it worked fine
<jamest> off and unplugged 
<jamest> 98%
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<jamest> 99%!
Action: jamest gets behind and pushes
<jcater> rock
<jamest> um
<jamest> it's hanging at 100%
<nickr> well hopefully it'll work in a day or two
<jamest> done!
<nickr> its my cool NEC with the health advice.
<jcater> jamest: rock!
<jcater> it works
<jcater> all 4
<jamest> well
<jamest> the one thing I worry about
<jamest> is mysql
<jamest> was hoping derek could test IIRC he has a mysql db setup
<jcater> well, I'm going back to debian mode unless you need me to test something else
<jcater> ?
<jamest> nope
<jamest> please do
<jcater> bbi<1m
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<jcater> ah
<jcater> konsole, tab-completion, xchat, and multiple desktops
<derek> i have mysql
<derek> but not for much longer :)
<derek> as soon this laptop will be wiped and debian will rule it :)
<derek> and then bye bye mysql :)
<nickr> I found the best feature for sawfish
<nickr> it makes windows full screen
<nickr> its great.
<jamest> can I tag cvs?
<jcater> yes!
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<jcater> um, er, sure, if you think we're ready
<jamest> forms tagged
<jamest> common tagged
<jamest> designer tagged
Action: jamest does a happy dance
<jamest> we can now proceed to break stuff
Action: jcater dances w/jamest
<jcater> ah
<jcater> first new change committed
<dneighbo_> rofl
<dneighbo_> 'think we're ready'
<dneighbo_> come on i havent even touched it
<dneighbo_> you must know its not 'quite ready' :)
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<Isomer> would you mind mentioning the name of the debian package that is required when it says "You require <blah>", since it gives a url anyway
<jamest> Isomer: in setup.py? we can do that
<Isomer> yeah
<Isomer> coz some of the package names aren't exactly obvious
<Isomer> (although, thats probably more a debian bug :)
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<madlocke> hi
<madlocke> jamest: you are here?
<jamest> not really
<jamest> I'll be back in < 1/2 hour though
<jamest> have to go feed buddies animals while he's out of town
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<jamest> back
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<chillywilly> sup ppl
<chillywilly> seems that you have   been having too much fun making a release
<chillywilly> wand we upgraded from trout to whale shark?
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<nickr> no one may have fun.
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<derek> http://www.insanepictures.com/pic.shtml?0598.jpg
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<derek> darn it, was runnikng windows again today and boy did it foul up my machine
<derek> http://www.insanepictures.com/pic.shtml?0494.jpg
<dsmith> Well, Linux *does* let your machine run cooler...
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<Isomer> hmm
<Isomer> does gnue do "list" style views?
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<kooper> what this is all about
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