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<jcater> I should rest
<jcater> nite all
<derek> night
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<ra3vat> hello all
<ajmitch> hi
<ra3vat> hello ajmitch
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<lekma> hi everybody
<lekma> i'm a really newbie to gnue and i need some help
<lekma> i'm trying to install geas
<lekma> humm... is there anybody here??
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<lekma> well... ok i'll try later, see you
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<dneighbo> hi ra3vat i sent a russian speaking fellow your way
<dneighbo> i coudlnt quite understand his 'english'
<dneighbo> hopefully he will contact you and you can act as gnue's translator :)
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<dneighbo> ToyMan : i got that new CD Burner last weekend (cdrom in general)
<dneighbo> however, my system with windows fried :(
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<ToyMan> dneighbo: great!  i'm ordering one today for my bsd workstation
<ToyMan> get that winbox working!! Access dumps constantly now, so I have this incredibly stupid auto backup and rebuild thing going that sucks
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<reinhard> weird
<reinhard> people are starting to install geas these days
<reinhard> as if we would give it away for free
<ra3vat> reinhard: thanks
<reinhard> ra3vat: ?
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<ivan> hi
<reinhard> hi ivan
<ivan> i just read dos - it's impresive
<jbailey> dos?
<ivan> but seems most of it was done in march of 2001
<ivan> i mean docs - typo ;)
<ra3vat> reinhard: sorry, was in a hurry it is derek who deserve it? :)
<reinhard> i guess yes :)
<ivan> now all activity are in development ?
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<reinhard> everything is in development yes
<reinhard> activitiy of development depends on available time
<reinhard> forms and reports is pretty usable
<ivan> i think core of all is geas
<reinhard> yes
<reinhard> geas development goes very slow
<reinhard> lack of time
<reinhard> but i hope it will get better
<ivan> do you done some perfomance corba tests
<reinhard> i have done none
<reinhard> not sure if others have
<ivan> i afraid corba can be very slow :(
<dneighbo> ivan: we are not LOCKED into CORBA
<dneighbo> the docs are slightly dated as you noted
<dneighbo> CORBA was ONLY transport that was stable at time of those docs on Linux
<ivan> so 2-tier
<dneighbo> now SOAP and XML-RPC are showing signs of promis
<dneighbo> we are working on an abstraction layer for RPC
<dneighbo> so much like GEAS could support virtually any relational database it has a driver for
<dneighbo> so it could support any remote method transport it had a driver for like
<ivan> looks good
<dneighbo> CORBA, SOAP, XML-RPC, TCP/IP Sockets, Jabber, MSMQ, etc etc etc
<dneighbo> 2 tier is production ready as of today
<dneighbo> and supports a myriad of backends
<dneighbo> GEAS is in need of some attention but it shoudl compile and work
<ivan> i have experience in delphi 2-tier programming
<ivan> i like gnue aproach in 2 fields - ui and n-tier 
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<ivan> i'd like to contribute - maybe russion translation ? 
<reinhard> ivan: we can use help in any way
<reinhard> translation
<dneighbo> um you will see some delphi influences :)
<dneighbo> i am an ex-delphi
<dneighbo> 2 tier and MIDAS developer
<reinhard> internationalization (means also issues like character encoding etc)
<dneighbo> much of them team has an oracle forms background as well
<reinhard> testing
<dneighbo> so you will see those features shine through as well
<dneighbo> designer has replaced delphi for me
<dneighbo> for database applications
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<ivan> i drop delphi 2 yeas ago, now use c, but look actively to gui/rdbms tools
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<ivan> time to go home ;)
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<jamest> anyone miss me?
<jamest> :)
<jcater> did someone say something?
<jamest> just the wind
<jamest> we need to get the new release out 
<jamest> think we should hold derek down and make him do it ?
<jamest> :)
<jcater> I agree
<jcater> I did a release notice
<jcater> ;)
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<dneighbo> hi keith 
<jamest> jcater: there he is grab him!
<dneighbo> dood you can grab me
<dneighbo> but if you tie me up
<dneighbo> my wife is likely to get jealous
<dneighbo> i already spend too much time in here :)
<jamest> jealous?  I figured she like the break.
Action: dneighbo gives jamest a clue he should already have
<dneighbo> tiedup/held down == unable to do chores
<dneighbo> keith can we answer any questions for you?
<dneighbo> jamest: what is needed to 'release'?
<dneighbo> are the files done?
<jamest> the files have been available since last weekend
<jamest> www.gnuenterprise.org/~jamest/pre-release
<jcater> I have a possible announcement at http://www.gnuenterprise.org/announcement-0.1.1.txt (iirc)
<keith> hello, sorry got sidetracked
<keith> I've retrieved the CVS sources and need to solve an rpm dependency before I can check out GNUe
<keith> I have a stock RH7.2 box which has Python1.5.2 on it. I've downloaded the latest Mandrake Python packages...
<keith> but can't resolve a couple of dependencies. 1) I have openssl-0.9.6b installed and it needs openssl-0.9.5a
<keith> 2) I have readline-4.2-2 and it needs readline-4.2.4 which will lead to a whole bunch of other dependency issues.
<keith> Any suggestions?
<jamest> python 1.5.2 won't work anymore 
<jamest> hmmm
<jamest> i guess you're trying to update python
<keith> yup :-0
Action: jamest is a debian user so isn't much help here
<jamest> however we've got other rh7.2 users 
<jcater> I *think* you can get python2.1 RPMs durectly from redhat
<jcater> i fyou have their cdrom it'
<jcater> it's also on that, although it isn't installed by default
<jcater> ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/7.2/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/python2-2.2.1-2.i386.rpm
<jcater> you'll also need the python2-devel-2.2.1-2.rpm
<keith> Just a sec and I'll mount the RH iso....
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<dneighbo> keith if you are 'experienced' linux user you might just want to grab python source
<keith> lo and behold, there they are on Disc 2
<dneighbo> if you want to keep 'packaging' definitely use the redhat packages and not the mandrake ones :)
<dneighbo> we have recently gotten about 4 people up and running on 7.2 
<dneighbo> so we should be getting better at it :)
<keith> yeah, I like packaging, rpm -e and it's gone :-)
<dneighbo> most of the problems are getting python2.x installed
<keith> I'll upgrade python from the RH CD and be back in a few, thanks!
<dneighbo> and then getting all the python 'tools' installed recognizing 2.x instead of 1.5.2
<dneighbo> in fact i might have a site for this
<dneighbo> http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/dependencies/python2.1/
<dneighbo> ummm ummm yummy
<dneighbo> after you get python 2.1 installed
<dneighbo> those shoudl be valid packages for wx and pyxml dependencies
<dneighbo> and then you should be good to go to install gnue :)
<dsmith> Hmm.  Speaking of packages:
<dsmith> Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
<dsmith>   gnue-designer: Depends: libwxgtk2.1-python but it is not installable
<dneighbo> of course to use a database you will need to install db drivers for your database 
<dneighbo> dsmith can you submit a bug on that
<dneighbo> baux is our maintainer and he doesnt hang in here much
<dneighbo> so thats probably quickest way to get it fixed
<dneighbo> we are WORKING on getting other people here up to speed on deb packaging he has done
<dneighbo> so we can respond more quickly to such issues :)
<dsmith> dneighbo: yes
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<dsmith> Looks like there are no libwxgtk2.1* packages, only 2.2
<dneighbo> right
<dneighbo> classic case of one package getting updated but not the other
<dneighbo> i am not fully involved in how debian does that
<dneighbo> normally i think people check this kind of thing
<dneighbo> BUT
<dneighbo> perhaps they notified baux and he hasnt fixed yet
<jan_> hello!
<dneighbo> or because gnue packaging is so new to unstable that it wasnt there when they were testing the 2.2 stuff
<dsmith> But I'm on python 2.1. :(
<jan_> whats about the path settings. Allthough I have an gnue.conf at /etc/gnue/gnue.conf and in ~/.gnue/gnue.conf its still searching for it.
<dneighbo> what do you mean searching for it
<dneighbo> what is the 'error' message that makes you think that :)
<jan_> gfclient reports: "The gnue.conf file appears to be missing"
<dneighbo> what version ?
<dneighbo> i.e. cvs, 0.1.0 ....
<dneighbo> what distribution?
<jan_> debian, the one you've been talking about
<dneighbo> so you installed from the debian packages?
<jan_> yes
<dneighbo> sigh
<dneighbo> i dont think any of us have tested them
<dneighbo> you mind helping :)
<dneighbo> i.e. it might take a few minutes to find the problem
<dneighbo> but it will help us find issue with packaging :)
<dneighbo> can you do
<dneighbo> which gfclient
<dneighbo> and tell me where it thinks gfclient is?
<keith> dneighbo: I installed the python2.1 rpms and other than having to give the
<keith> complete path to the python2.1 binary, I'm moving along :-)
<dneighbo> sweet
<dneighbo> let us know when you get to spot you need help :)
<jan_> I'm not shure if its 0.1.0-1 or 0.1.0-2
<jan_> sorry, i m not the fast you are. 
<dneighbo> jan_ what did which gfclient turn up?
<dneighbo> when you find it open it in your favorite text editor
<jan_> i check the problem again and tell you again.
<dneighbo> and paste section that looks like
<dneighbo> #######
<dneighbo> # The following variable were set when GNUe was installed
<dneighbo> import os, sys
<dneighbo> sys.path.append('/usr/local/gnue/lib/python')
<dneighbo> INST_GNUE_CONNECTIONS='/usr/local/gnue/etc/connections.conf'
<dneighbo> os.environ['INSTALL_LIB']='/usr/local/gnue/lib/python'
<dneighbo> os.environ['INSTALL_PREFIX']='/usr/local/gnue'
<dneighbo> #######
<dneighbo> as it will let me know a bit where it thinks things are
<dneighbo> jcater you around or jamest
<keith> dneighbo: ok, now :-P. the forms tool says I need PyXML and that is not on the RH CD, rpmfind it?
Action: dneighbo doesnt know if the gnue.conf search order changed or not
<keith> or should I just skip it for now/
<keith> ?
<dneighbo> http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/dependencies/python2.1/
<dneighbo> dont skip it :)
<jan_> dneighbo: i changed above section by myself, and it worked, but a plain .deb install is not running, because..
<keith> sweet, thanks!
<jan_> #######
<jan_> # The following variable were set when GNUe was installed
<jan_> import os, sys
<jan_> sys.path.append('./debian/gnue-forms/usr/lib/python2.1')
<jan_> INST_GNUE_CONNECTIONS='./debian/gnue-forms/usr/etc/connections.conf'
<jan_> os.environ['INSTALL_LIB']='./debian/gnue-forms/usr/lib/python2.1'
<jan_> os.environ['INSTALL_PREFIX']='./debian/gnue-forms/usr'
<jan_> #######
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<keith> dnei: dependency h**l! PyXML conflicts with 4Suite needing PyXML0.6.5 :-(
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<keith> dnei: nevermind I told 4Suite to take a hike!
<jan_> Im trying to use gfclient (cvs) with geas(0.6.0), but it doesnt work.
<jan_> .cvsdevelbase/gnue/common/GDataObjects.py", line 367, in firstRecord DB000:     self.current = self._cachedRecords[0] DB000: IndexError: list index out of range 
<dneighbo> jan_ geas and forms dont play well togehter right now :(
<jan_> but, i would like, if they do. 
<jan_> What can I do to let it work?
<dneighbo> keith : damn, thats same problem other people had :(
<dneighbo> keith : i had them get tar ball of pyxml
<dneighbo> well let me rephrase that i gave them option
<dneighbo> of overriding the complaining or installing form tar/ball
<dneighbo> and the took the tar/ball optino :)
<dneighbo> jan_ geas is not production ready
<dneighbo> gnue forms in 2 tier mode is
<dneighbo> so the focus has been on improving what customers are using
<dneighbo> basically there is some stuff in geas that needs fixing in order for it to work with forms
<dneighbo> it used to work with forms
<dneighbo> but the driver system for forms changed significantly at the 0.1.0 release
<dneighbo> and broke geas compatiablity
<dneighbo> now to be 'useful' geas needs to add some features
<dneighbo> jamest was working on this and would be best one to ask
<dsmith> dneighbo: I submitted a bug, and then looked.  There were already several report of the same.
<dneighbo> as to the 'exact' tasks that need comleting
<dneighbo> iirc (the issue had do with bugs in python-orbit or orbit boolean values
<dneighbo> i.e. it was a bug in a dependency not really geas
<dneighbo> i hope that helps
<jan_> ok, that means, there should be an clearer error message in forms, and much work in geas
<dneighbo> i think you will find 2 tier VERY useful
<dneighbo> until we get geas up to snuff
<dneighbo> and there should be a 'migration' path
<jan_> ok, but how can i install all these packages in postgres f.e.
<dneighbo> um not sure of your question
<dneighbo> install designer, common, forms
<dneighbo> then pick up a python/postgres adaptor like
<dneighbo> pygresql, pyscopg, popy etc
<dneighbo> and you shoudl be good to go
<jan_> How can i install  general ledger etc. in postgres?
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<dneighbo> we dont have general ledger
<dneighbo> the framework is very functional in 2 tier mode
<dneighbo> but we dont have 'official' packages released
<dneighbo> i.e. you could easily use the framework to write your own general ledger
<dneighbo> but we dont have a general ledger out of the box today
<dneighbo> we are starting down that path thouhg
<dneighbo> er though
<jan_> Ok, that means i have to go through the papers of an old accounting theorie class again.
<dneighbo> :)
<dneighbo> we actually have 'proposals' at
<dneighbo> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~neilt/sc.html
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<jan_> Ive seen them. But I would like to test the "packages" in the package tree of the cvs.
<jan_> And I dont what to implement all these "methods" again in forms.
<dneighbo> right
<dneighbo> you can load geas
<dneighbo> and have it create your postgres tables etc
<dneighbo> problem is the structures dont make sense for 'relational' 2 tier programming
<dneighbo> so they would be some what a pain to use
<dneighbo> if geas doesnt get improvement soon i might look at making 2 tier versions of the proposals
<dneighbo> because at this point its path of least resistance for me. :)
<jan_> :)
<dneighbo> read, i dont have desire to do C programming to fix orbit, orbit-python and/or geas
<dneighbo> though it DESPERATELY needs doing
<dneighbo> unfortunately the volunteers that were doing geas development have been consumed with real life :(
<jamest> whats up?
<jamest> i see geas and forms mentioned 
<jamest> do I need to read everything above
<jamest> ?
<jan_> So, what do you think, what is to be changed in geas except of the parser and orbit
<dneighbo> no
<dneighbo> question was geas and forms doesnt work
<dneighbo> i explained that was correct, not a configuration issue ":)
<dneighbo> jan_ was asking what needed to be done to fix
<jamest> forms needs to have it's geas driver updated
<dneighbo> i told him talk to you but i thought it was an orbit/python issue 
<dneighbo> with booleans
<dneighbo> as thats last i heard
<jamest> yes
<jamest> but only for me it seems
Action: dneighbo thinks maybe i should be nice and remove that if sys.userid = 'jamest': code
<jamest> setting a corba boolean to TRUE or FALSE segfaults my machine
<jamest> others can't reproduce the error
<jamest> so I'm dead in the water there
<Bill_H> jamest: try setting the corba boolean to MAYBE
<dneighbo> hi Bill_H 
<dneighbo> Bill_H you know us better than that
<dneighbo> he already got ribbed on that one big time :)
<dneighbo> keith you still slaving away?
<jamest> Bill_H: lol
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<Bill_H> dneighbo: Yea, your right.  That one was wide open :)
<dneighbo> well when he originally posted the issue
<dneighbo> he pasted code
<dneighbo> which iirc produced some nice 'variations' as to the expandability options one might consider for CORBA boolean data type :)
<Bill_H> ha
<jamest> :)
<jamest> fwiw - the latest forms release 0.1.1
<jamest> will at least pull data from geas
<jamest> you just can't do anything with it
<keith> OK, so I've run all the install scripts. I've got mysql running. Point me to where it tells...
<keith> me how to start the apps :-)
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<dneighbo> ok first lets do simple
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<dneighbo> do gfclient --help
<dneighbo> and tell me what it says
<ajmitch> simple sounds good :)
<dneighbo> this is to test that basic forms is working :)
<dneighbo> then we will test a simple form
<dneighbo> then we will configure your database adapter and config file and we will get you connecting to database like an animal :)
<jan_> jamest: what has to be updated in the geas driver? I'm looking over the common/src/dbdrivers/geas/DBdriver.py code.
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<jcater> psu: how's the family doing?
<ajmitch> yo psu
<psu> all as well as can be expected 
<ajmitch> & jcater :)
<psu> thanks
<psu> hi aj
<keith> dneighbo: OK, I ran /usr/local/bin/gfclient --help and got back some traceback info and and invalid syntax error.
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<dneighbo> keith sorry was on phone
<dneighbo> cna you paste that error here?
<dneighbo> i assume gfclient is using your 1.5.2 install :(
<dneighbo> keith can you tell me what the first line in gfclient is (if you open it in a text editor)
<keith> Hold on, it's installed on another machine.
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<keith> The first line is "#!/usr/bin/env python"
<dneighbo> ok
<dneighbo> can you type
<dneighbo> python
<dneighbo> from the command line
<dneighbo> and it should tell you what version it is
<dneighbo> dneighbo@wright:~$ python
<dneighbo> Python 2.1.1+ (#1, Dec 30 2001, 17:17:30) 
<dneighbo> [GCC 2.95.4 20011223 (Debian prerelease)] on linux2
<dneighbo> Type "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
<dneighbo> >>> 
<dneighbo> for example is this machine
<keith> Well, I've got both python1.5.2 and python2.1 installed so I guess I need to change the path to /usr/bin/python2.1
<dneighbo> yip
<dneighbo> i think you can just cange it to
<dneighbo> python2
<dneighbo> er
<dneighbo> #!/usr/bin/env python2
<dneighbo> or you can hardcode it to python2.1 binary
<dneighbo> then retry the gfclient --help and let me know what happens
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<keith> One moment please.
<keith> :-) I got the command line options.
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<dneighbo> kick butt
<dneighbo> ok now go to where you installed gnue
<dneighbo> and there should be a forms/samples/intro/ directory
<dneighbo> go to that directory and do
<dneighbo> gfclient intro.gfd
<dneighbo> let me know what happens
<keith> "Welcome to GNUe Forms" :-D
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<psu> hi all
<dneighbo> keith cool
<dneighbo> what does conficious say your fortune is?
<dneighbo> well if you are up to it we can tackle getting it working with your mysql db :)
<dneighbo> none of us use mysql regularly so its good learnin for us :)
<jan__> hi.
<keith> Oh, I put in a bunch of dates :-)
<dneighbo> cheater :)
<dneighbo> as long as it worked :)
<keith> MySQL was the next question
<keith> I guess geas handles that part, right?
<jan__> looking at the code for the geas dbdriver, I discoverd that there is an /common/build/lib/gnue/dbdrivers/... and an src/dbdrivers...
<dneighbo> no, well kind of
<dneighbo> if gnue was workign with forms then yes
<jan__> this are my first steps with python, so... im getting confuzius
<dneighbo> geas would be handling it
<dneighbo> but we will get you working in two tier mode
<dneighbo> read w/o geas
<dneighbo> if you are interested
<dneighbo> as it works :)
<keith> Let's go!
<dneighbo> ok give me a minute
<dneighbo> been LONG time since i used mysql w/ gnue :)
<dneighbo> and last time it was windows forms w/ mysql linux
Action: dneighbo has to dig out a python driver
<keith> I'm pretty familiar with it.
<dneighbo> im sorry :)
<dneighbo> we will help enlighten you to the ill call mysql :)
<dneighbo> j/k we need mysql testers :)
<keith> I'm not a big IRC'er. Can I do that *msg thing from mIRC?
<dneighbo> um yip
<dneighbo>  /msg usersnick some message
<dneighbo> and it will send a private message
<keith> did that work?
<dneighbo> also if you do /me foo
<dneighbo> it will show up like
Action: dneighbo foo
<dneighbo> yes it worked
Action: dneighbo is getting purdy messages from keith ;)
<dneighbo> unfortunately if you have observed some of us spend way too much time in here
<dneighbo> and can type faster than we could talk :)
<keith> Yikes!
<keith> That's some fast typing :-P
<dneighbo> go get this package
<dneighbo> [http://sourceforge.net/projects/mysql-python]
<dneighbo> 149 MySQL
<dneighbo> 150 =====
<dneighbo> 151 152 *** MySQLdb [http://sourceforge.net/projects/mysql-python]
<dneighbo> 153 154 POSIX Support: YES
<dneighbo> 155 Win32 Support: YES [prebuilt binaries at http://www.cs.fhm.edu/~ifw00065/]
<dneighbo> 156 
<dneighbo> 157 Platforms Tested:  
<dneighbo> 158 GNU/Linux [RedHat 7.x]
<dneighbo> 159 160 Description: 
<dneighbo> 161 Written by Andy Dustman, this driver supports MySQL 3.22, 3.23, and 
<dneighbo> 162 4.x.
<dneighbo> 163 164 Example connections.conf entry:
<dneighbo> 165 
<dneighbo> 166 [myconn]
<dneighbo> 167 provider=mysql          # Use the MySQLdb adapter
<dneighbo> 168 host=localhost          # The hostname/IP of the MySQL host
<dneighbo> 169 dbname=mydb             # The name of the MySQL database
<dneighbo> 170 171 Notes:
<dneighbo> 172 
<dneighbo> 173 1. Transactions are supported if MySQL is compiled with proper
<dneighbo> 174 transactional support (3.x series does NOT do this by default!)
<dneighbo> 175 176 2. This driver has been partially tested.  If you are successfully using
<dneighbo> 177 this driver, please let us know. 
<dneighbo> 178 179 3. This driver does not yet support schema introspection, so you will not
<dneighbo> 180 be able to use Wizards in GNUe Designer. 
<dneighbo> form the README.databases
<dneighbo> grab that package and follow its instructions to install
<Mr_You> hi
<dneighbo> please note if it asks you to use setup.py
<dneighbo> do python2.1 setup.py
<dneighbo> instead of python setup.py
<dneighbo> otherwise it will only install for your 1.5.2 install
<dneighbo> once you have it installed
<dneighbo> we will edit your connections.conf file
<dneighbo> and we will give it a test :)
<dneighbo> item 3 is a BIG ouchie
<dneighbo> as schema support in designer kicks ass
<keith> The rpm installed just fine. It didn't tell me to run any setup scripts
<keith> Does geas require transaction support?
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<keith> Oh, according to the rpm file listing it installed in the python2.1/site-packages directory.
<jamest> the build dir is created upon install
<jamest> and is never used after install
<jamest> it's a python install utilities thing
<jamest> src is where we put our code
<jan__> ok, but if i look at the pypsql/DBdriver.py in src i dont find any getSchemabyName ... methods,
<jan__> if I look in lib, i can find them.
<jamest> the postgresql drivers all inherit from _pgsql
<jamest> as most of their code was the same 
<jamest> so we tried to make the individual drivers as small as possible
<jan__> ok. so I have to compare _pgsql and geas
<jan__> and than run ./setup.py and do the testing...
<jcater> jan__: what are you comparing?
<dsmith> When I run "gfclient /home/dsmith/src/TestGNUe/issue.gfd" I get:
<dsmith> Error: The connections file does not contain a definition 
<dsmith>        for "testit".
<dsmith> Where is this "testit" coming from?
<jcater> is issue.gfd a file you created?
<dsmith> No. From debian package
<jcater> hmm
Action: jcater needs to grab our debians
<jcater> they seem to have several issues
<dsmith> Duh. Sorry.
<dneighbo> keith you still here?
Action: dsmith needs to read more
<keith> yep, I'm just getting some work done :-)
<dneighbo> ok so the driver installed right
<jan__> the connection to postgres is working, but theres no working connection to geas, so I compare how they work....
<dneighbo> keith how did you install gnue? cvs or official release?
<keith> Grabbed the CVS
<dneighbo> you run setup.py from the root of that?
<jcater> jan__: well, geas isn't particulary functional at the moment
Action: dneighbo is trying to determine where your connection.conf file will be located :)
<jcater> if you want to play with forms, I'd recommend playing with 2-tier 
<keith> No, the readme said to run "python setup.py install" in each of the tool directories
<dneighbo> keith do a which /msg jcater i dont know, but i think #gnuetnerprise is expierencing an extremely high volume of calls
<jan__> you' re not the first who told me that...
<keith> which /msg jcater
<jcater> jan__: well, there's a reason we told you that :)
<dneighbo> rofl
<keith> <blush>
<dneighbo> i meant to do a which connection.conf but rememberd that wont owrk
<dneighbo> but your answer answered what i needed 
<dneighbo> go to /usr/local/gnue/etc
<dsmith> jcater: It was my mistake, that was a leftover file from when I installed from source about a month ago.
<dneighbo> do an ls
<dneighbo> and tell me whats in there :)
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<jan__> I don't need an working production environment in the next 24 hours, and I don't like 2-tier ":)
<dneighbo> keith i scare you off, by asking you to which jcater :)
<keith> no :-), I'm just an IRC newbie
<jcater> jan__: the GEAS client for common is on hold because geas itself has issues/is awaiting an interface change
<jcater> if you are interested in n-tier, I'd start w/geas instead of the geas client
<jcater> but that's just mho
<dneighbo> in /usr/local/gnue/etc/
<dneighbo> there should be a samples.connections.conf
<dneighbo> if there is not a connections.conf
<keith>  usr/local/gnue/etc contains gnue.conf which I copied from sample.gnue.conf and sample.connections.conf
<dneighbo> then copy samples.connections.conf to connections.conf
<keith> done
<dneighbo> ok now open in your favorite editor
<keith> booting
<keith> This is running on a P133 BTW <grin>
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<dneighbo> edit connections.conf
<dneighbo> and add the following to it
<dneighbo>        [myconn]
<dneighbo>        provider=mysql          # Use the MySQLdb adapter
<dneighbo>        host=localhost          # The hostname/IP of the MySQL host
<dneighbo>        dbname=mydb             # The name of the MySQL database
<dneighbo> change localhost to whatever the hostname or ip is of the machine that is running mysql
<dneighbo> change mydb to what ever the name is of the database you wish to use
<dneighbo> and then save connections.conf
<keith> done
<dneighbo> jcater does cvs have introspection for mysql
<dneighbo> or is the README.databases truthful?
<jcater> not to my knowledge
<dneighbo> damn
<jcater> if someone can point me to mysql system catalog details, I can add it
<dneighbo> keith w/o introspection testing will be slightly harder
<dneighbo> do you have a mysql database, with tables and data currently?
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<keith> I can in a moment :-)
<dneighbo> if so we will open up designer and create a form that accesses it
<dneighbo> w/ introspection we could just run a wizard or drag and drop
<dneighbo> w/o introspection we will have to do it the old fashioned way
<jcater> it's fairly easy for me to add, but without motivation/demand, I have done other stuff
<jcater> but, now that we have a need, ... :)
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<dneighbo> if i was gonna be home and we didnt have release tonight
<dneighbo> i woudl say let me do it  :)
<dneighbo> as i want to play and have mysql setup already :)
<dneighbo> keith tell me the table name and two fields that are in the table
<dneighbo> i will whip up a test form for you and put on net for you
<keith> how about database test and "name" and "year_born" in table tbl_year
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<keith> name being tinytext and year_born being int
<dneighbo> ok
<dneighbo> make sure you have in connections.conf the name of the db as test
<keith> Right, got it.
<dneighbo> jcater you ever fix bug in cvs about designer not workign with some themes?
<jcater> 2 days ago, IIRC
<jcater> as I installed new theme and got that error
<jcater> (and you know if it's a problem for me, it'll get fixed ;)
<dneighbo> rofl
<dneighbo> keith it will be just a second
<dneighbo> i have an 'evil' theme
<dneighbo> and its painful to get cvs from here (though nightlies help)
<dneighbo> and running debian unstable which seems to have broken gnome-control-center for sawfish
<dneighbo> so having to do update/upgrade on it :)
<dneighbo> then will change theme and build your form :)
<dneighbo> btw: just to be religious if you ever get sick of rpm(red hat) debian is very nice
Action: dneighbo hugs his apt
<keith> Yeah, I tried it a while back. apt is cool, dselect rots. Althogh I really didn't spend....
<keith> enough time with it to do it justice.
<dneighbo> dselect sucks
<dneighbo> apt is all you need
<keith> I use Ximian Gnome and their red carpet is pretty nice as far as upgrades go.
<dneighbo> w/ a little dpkg here and there to get things solved
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<dsmith> There's a lot of yuckky in dselect, but you can do things there you cannot do with apt.
<dneighbo> dsmith agree
<dneighbo> not saying dselect doest have purpose just that it sucks to use :)
<jan__> especially if you don't know the exact name of an package.
<dsmith> Did someone have a problem with orbit-python segfaulting?
Action: dsmith agrees with dneighbo
<dsmith> <Lo-lan-2> I have a patch.
<dsmith> <Lo-lan-2> Two patches, in fact.
<dsmith> <Lo-lan-2> The first one prevents the segfault in ORBit-Python, and reveals a memory leak.
<dsmith> <Lo-lan-2> The second patch fixes that leak.
<dsmith> <Lo-lan-2> But it's a patch against ORBit, so...
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<psu> I have a favo(u)r to ask
<psu> Zack is off on a business trip 
<psu> for the first two weeks of Jan
<psu> may not be able to update KC very often
<jan__> dsmith: Do you know how to get information about an object, which i got with ORBIT-Python?
<psu> If I can produce straight HTML versions of the KCs
<psu> could we find a temp home on http://www.gnuenterprise.org for them?
<dsmith> jan__: No.  I tried to find out how, but couldn't.
<jcater> psu: sure
<dneighbo> yip
<jan__> Doe I have to parse the IDL file myself, can i get some infos from ORBIT -Python, or is there an "reflection" thing in python
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<dsmith> jan__: You can try dir(someobject)
<dneighbo> keith sigh... bad thing about unstable + happy user
<dsmith> jan__: I had very negative results trying to suck stuff out of Evolution.
<dneighbo> is that if you go a month w/o updating there is lots to update ):
Action: dsmith apt-get --purge 's evolution
<keith> :-)
<dneighbo> rofl
<dneighbo> jcater remind me to email baux about debian packages
<dneighbo> so we can get the source in cvs tree
<dneighbo> so we can fumble with trying to resolve the bugs
<jcater> ok
<dneighbo> i assume you will be on around 22:00 AZ time?
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<dsmith> One thing about Debian, after a package has been sucseffuly installed, it is ready to use.  i.e. it's already configured.
<jcater> yes
<dsmith> At least a minimal config. The package should work out-of-the-box.
<dneighbo> dsmith agree
<dneighbo> im thinking we really need to make it complex :(
<dneighbo> and have like
<dneighbo> gnue-forms-mysql
<dneighbo> gnue-forms-postgres
<dneighbo> etc
<dneighbo> so its like apache
<jcater> yes
<dneighbo> you coudl install
<dsmith> THat's not a bad idea.
<dneighbo> gnue-forms
<dneighbo> then if you do
<jcater> well, it'd be gnue-common-mysql, etc
<dneighbo> gnue-forms-postgres
<dneighbo> it updates your connection file
<dneighbo> and grabs the driver
<dneighbo> yes jcater it woudl be common
<psu> Can Debian packages have a "one of many" dependancy?
<dsmith> yes!
<dneighbo> apache does this
<dneighbo> so i know its doable
<dneighbo> how hard is it?
<dneighbo> i dont know :) but its doable
<ajmitch> not too hard
<psu> i.e. Forms depends on one or more of Common-mysql, common-odbc, etc
<dneighbo> techinically forms doesnt
<jan__> I dont think that so many different packages are needed.
<dneighbo> it woudl depend only on
<ajmitch> common-mysql | common-odbc
<dneighbo> gnue-common
<ajmitch> or you can have each common package provide a virtual package
<jan__> A good README.Debian would be great.
<dneighbo> as you can make forms that dont connect to databases
<dneighbo> jan__ we are just delving into debian package management
<ajmitch> dneighbo: then you'd have a Recommends: or Suggests: tag
<dneighbo> so until we get that figured out no read me :)
<psu> in Debian-speak, does depend = can't do anything or depend = can't do anything useful/sensible?
<dneighbo> depend should mean cant install or wont run
<ajmitch> yup
<dneighbo> recommends should mean cant do much useful
<dneighbo> jan__ im not huge fan of lots of packages
<dneighbo> but its necessary to make things more simple
<dneighbo> and we will get gnue part of 'tasksel' or whatever it is now
<ajmitch> dneighbo: i can help out if you'd like, an di know jbailey would love to as well ;)
<dneighbo> so all packages will be
<dneighbo> gnue-*
<jan__> can't you just make an good debconf script.... asking for your databases, and building connections.conf
<dneighbo> and should be able to do do eqiuv of tasksel
<dneighbo> and choose options and click ok
<psu> When we get some apps, this is where the depends/recommends will be v useful
<ajmitch> jan__: it's possible
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<dneighbo> jan__ : i think good debconf will be necessary to update the conf file
<psu> i.e. pretty much everything will recommend GL, PO will recommend AP, etc
<dsmith> It will be so cool when there are applications and you apt-get gue-shipping (or whatever) and it all jusyt drops into place.
<dneighbo> psu: whoa hold boat
<dneighbo> two different things
<dneighbo> you are now talking 'applications' vs 'tools'
<dneighbo> :)
<dneighbo> we dont know if we will use apt directly to do 'applications'
<dneighbo> or whether gnue will have to roll own apt type tool to do them
<dneighbo> if we did do them we would make them separate
<dneighbo> and might have to do 
<dneighbo> er...
<dneighbo> bbiam
<jan__> why should we invent the wheel twice?
<dneighbo> keith i havent forgotten about you
<dneighbo> jan__ i didnt say invent the wheel again
<dneighbo> is said WE DONT KNOW IF APT WILL MEET OUR NEEDS 
<dneighbo> we think it will
<jan__> we should make an gnue-sample package
<dneighbo> and even if it did NOT
<dneighbo> we would not write something like it from scratch
<dneighbo> but rather would extend it
<jcater> well, apt is linux (debian?) specific anyway, so it won't solve our Application packaging needs
<dneighbo> but thats a full other discussion
<dneighbo> jcater: yes
<dneighbo> as we have windows users and such
<keith> dneighbo: no problem, I've been catching up on some work.
<jcater> and solaris
<jcater> and bsd
<jcater> and mac
<jcater> :)
<jan__> ok. ok. i give up, ....
<jcater> but the gnue-* tools are great for us debian users, tho :)
<jan__> if the debian directorys in the cvs are up to date we could even have some gnue-forms-cvs like the mozilla-cvs stuff for example.
<ajmitch> wouldn't be too hard
<ajmitch> just run a cron job that does dpkg-buildpackage :)
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<dneighbo> keith its still chugging i had 165 packages needing updating :)
<dneighbo> plus bogging down system with some db2 stuff
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<keith> dneighbo: no worries ;-)
<dneighbo> it worries me
<dneighbo> as i dont have a ton of time left for i hafta leeve ;)
<dneighbo> and i want you to be up and running to 'motivate' jason to get introspection working :)
<dneighbo> im just gonna use emacs :)
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<keith> let's just finish it tomorrow. I've been "distracted" from work enough :-)
<jcater> mdean!
<jcater> wassup?
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<dneighbo> keith dang
<dneighbo> try
<dneighbo> gfclient http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/gnue/tester.gfd
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<jcater> why hello jcater_
<jcater> hello
<jcater_> hello
<ajmitch> heh
<ajmitch> sad person
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<dneighbo_> oh hell yah
<dneighbo_> jcater is a GOD
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<ajmitch_> :P
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<keith> dneighbo: Error processing <html> tag [I don't know what a <html> tag does]
<dneighbo_> ok go to http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/gnue/
<dneighbo_> and download tester.gfd
<dneighbo_> to your local machine
<dneighbo_> then
<dneighbo_> run gfclient tester.gfd
<dneighbo_> from same dir tester.gfd was saved too
<chillywilly> nooooooo
<chillywilly> no more mastas!
<chillywilly> one is enough!
<ajmitch_> bleh
<ajmitch_> i'll show you torture
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<andrewm> muahaha
<jcater> ahhhhhhh
<keith> Bonehead alert! I can't type. I fixed it and I got a database log in screen :-)
<keith> Is that what I'm supposed to get?
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<dneighbo_> yip
<dneighbo_> now type your mysql
<dneighbo_> user name
<dneighbo_> and 
<dneighbo_> password
<dneighbo_> for that table you created
<dneighbo_> and let me know what happens
<dneighbo_> btw: pretty tricky to run forms over http eh... who says we dont have internet enabled forms :)
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<keith> I would if the IRC client was the same machine :-(
<warren> Hello. 
<dneighbo_> ah snap
<dneighbo_> um what can you see anything that looks like might be useful info?
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<dneighbo_> hi fitzix
<fitzix> hello
<dneighbo_> keith: is that machine connected to machine you ar eusing?
<fitzix> dneighbo_: hey derek, how are ya?
<dneighbo_> if so you can do
<keith> Well it attaches to mysql....getting new data connection to myconn.....Mysql database driver initializing....
<keith> then Illegal Instruction
<chillywilly> fitzix: sup g
<fitzix> chillywilly: hey man, what's up?
<chillywilly> fitzix: well it's definitely not my pay ;)
<fitzix> richard couldn't be RMS, could it?
<fitzix> chillywilly: pay or day? :)
<dneighbo_> keith: it is odd
<chillywilly> p-a-y
<dneighbo_> i think mayb ethe mysql driver is not playing nice
<fitzix> chillywilly: eh?
<keith> sound like it to me.
<chillywilly> pay
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<dneighbo_> richard?
<chillywilly> you know that check the man gives you
<chillywilly> after you bust your ass for him and make him rich
<dneighbo_> um jcater you here?
<fitzix> 'richard' just entered #dotgnu - then his client quit
<jcater> yes
<dneighbo_> have you seen this
<keith> what db do you usually use postgresql?
<dneighbo_> the error keith is getting
<dneighbo_> yeah
<dneighbo_> mysql driver might be toast
<dneighbo_> i dont have way to test cvs
<dneighbo_> here
<chillywilly> we are serious postgres biggots
<keith> Well, why don't I fire that up? I've been wanting to learn that.
<chillywilly> but forms supports too many databases to count
<dneighbo_> if you fire it up you will have to get driver for it :)
<dneighbo_> i like pyscopg
<keith> point the way, oh guru
<dneighbo_> others like pygresql and others other things
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<dneighbo_> keith: honestly i dont know
<dneighbo_> for me it was
<dneighbo_> apt-get install python-psycopg
<keith> yeah, yeah, yeah I hear that all the time on my LUG :-)
<dneighbo_> i didnt mean it like that
<dsmith> keith: listen to them
<keith> :-)
<dneighbo_> just i didnt start using pyscopg until after i didnt have redhat machines
<dneighbo_> i used pygresql on redhat
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<warren> ...and here we go again.
<dneighbo_> but i wasnt 'happy' with it so i dont really recommend it :)
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<dneighbo_> i would love to see us get mysql working though
<dneighbo_> i.e. if its a gnue issue holding it up we need to fix it
<warren> Q: Is there such a thing as a idiot's guide to installing gnue?
<dneighbo_> um yeah
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<dneighbo_> its #gnuenterprise
<dneighbo_> those three are having a 'bad' irc day
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<dneighbo_> um yeah
<dneighbo_> its #gnuenterprise
<dneighbo_> that was for you warren :)
<dneighbo_> re: idiots guide
<dneighbo_> actually there are readme's
<warren> downloading packages now...
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<chillywilly> same freaking server
<dneighbo_> keith: you get postgres up and running?
<keith> dneighbo: I had to put my network connection back in the printer for some "real" work.
<keith> It will be a little bit before I can get the drivers over to it :-(
<keith> Maybe I should just be the BOFH and tell them the printer's offline ]:-?
<keith> print job, what print job?? <shrug>
<dneighbo_> roflmao
<dneighbo_> works for me
<keith> hehe, it just jammed all by itself. I _like_ having mental powers over equipment :-)
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<keith> Hmm, I can't find an rpm for pygresql. I'll have to grab the source. Running out of time...
<keith> dneighbo_: I'll have to finish this tomorrow. I trust you'll be here?
<dneighbo_> yip
<keith> Adios then.
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<jamest> word up
<chillywilly> sup g muney
<ajmitch> yop
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<jamest> hi
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<Jerry> hello. I am beginner for gnue. who can tell me how to run the example with the geas package. the geas is runing now
<Jerry> ???
<Jerry> hello. I am beginner for gnue. who can tell me how to run the example with the geas package. the geas is runing now
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<Jerry> hello. I am beginner for gnue. who can tell me how to run the example with the geas package. the geas is runing now
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<jamest> hi
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