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<fitzix> hello
<jamest> hi
<drochaid> feasgar math fitzix
<fitzix> hello :)
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<neilt> hello reinhard
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<reinhard> hello neilt
<reinhard> how are you?
<neilt> well
<neilt> i see you have done some GNUe again
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<reinhard> yes
<reinhard> i think you can consider me back in the project :-)
<drochaid> apologies for silly question time ...
<drochaid> I've developed a range of databases with pgsql, and was about to start learning delphi/kylix to create a basic interface to enter some test data
<drochaid> am I right in thinking that GNUe and the forms designer would make that task much easier?
<neilt> drochaid: yes
<neilt> reinhard:  cool, wish I could say the same
<drochaid> neilt: ty, I like the short affirmative answers ;)
<drochaid> I suppose I'd better go learn some python now
<chillywilly> in fact derek uses delphi as our base to compare us to ;)
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<chillywilly> (I know he's not wuite right ;) )
<drochaid> heh
<drochaid> ta chillywilly
<drochaid> I need a really basic interface just now ... just fed up running plsql scripts for each report entry
<neilt> Malted Milk	3:36	Eric Clapton	Unplugged	Rock
<neilt> drochaid: we have a report subsystems
<drochaid> uhm .. is that an oberon 2 derivative neilt? ;)
<chillywilly> having fun neilt?
<neilt> yes i am
<drochaid> neilt: I meant I have company annual reports ... I'm logging the data from them into the db 
<chillywilly> the engine is there, but afaik it doesn't produce any output yet as the format(s) haven't been decided on
<drochaid> k
<neilt> :(
<neilt> not my cup of tea
<drochaid> I'm slowly working my way through the web site and docs ... 
<drochaid> might even get round to installing GNUe in a while
<neilt> chillywilly: finally started using an mp3 player
<neilt> its great
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> you never listedned to mp3s before?
<drochaid> :o
<chillywilly> listened
<neilt> nope
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<chillywilly> ogg id more cool though
<chillywilly> s/id/is
Action: neilt does not download copyright material
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<neilt> so I have converted a bunch of my CD's to mp3
<drochaid> and all the stuff on it is ripped from cds I own
<chillywilly> copyright used to be an industrial regulation
<chillywilly> now it is used to hinder ppl
<neilt> chillywilly:  dont get me started
<neilt> please
<chillywilly> hence why the GPL was written
<chillywilly> it is the best hack on copyright itself
<chillywilly> using copyright to defeat copyright
<chillywilly> it's brilliant
<neilt> its not defeating copyright
<neilt> it just ops out
<neilt> which is ok for the creator
<neilt> to decide
<neilt> its not ok for society to decide to do away with copyright
<neilt> or to download copyright material without paying for it
<chillywilly> I think that ppl need to find a different means of making money then hoarding the information...at least they could stick to the original intent of copyright and not extend it indefinitely
<chillywilly> basically copyright is a bargain with the public to allow restrictions on free speech
<chillywilly> to foster innovation,  but when it is extended forever then the public looses...dor instance there was this lady who wrote a version of gone with the wind from a black slave perspective (forget  the name) and she couldn't publish because of DMCA...which is a nice crappy law that basically lets you take public domain works and keep the so called "copyright"
<chillywilly> all you have to do is put copy protection mechanisms on something
<chillywilly> now I would be ok of copyright on source code would lat for say 10 years and then it would be released under a Free license...that would be fair
<chillywilly> I think even "radical" ppl like RMS would agree woth that
<chillywilly> that ot would be a fair bragain
<chillywilly> bargain
<chillywilly> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/reevaluating-copyright.html
<drochaid> bare in mind the DMCA has zero significance outside the US
<neilt> it will be defeated here also
<drochaid> I hope so
<drochaid> it's a clear breach of human rights
<drochaid> I'm in favour of 'reasonable and responsible' copyright, and the creators right to choose to use it or not
<neilt> drochaid: exactly
<chillywilly> copyroght these days has been basically borken down to the roght to profit from ones work
<chillywilly> there is now such right anyway...this is a common fallacy
<chillywilly> s/now/no
<drochaid> I can't agree with the middle line at all
<drochaid> amongst other things I'm a photographer
<chillywilly> the middle line?
<chillywilly> you mean limited copyright?
<drochaid> the next project I want to start later this year is going to need gbp40k in equipment, gbp20k in travel/accomodation and probably gbp10k in film/chemicals ...
<drochaid> you've basically just said that I have no right to charge someone for a print I make from that project
<chillywilly> no
<drochaid> this bit "<chillywilly> there is now such right anyway...this is a common fallacy"
<chillywilly> I said you have no right to profit...it's a dog eat dog jungle
<chillywilly> that's the way the system works
<drochaid> I most certainly do have the right to profit, explain to me how you survive without making a profit in one way or another?
<chillywilly> if you had a rght to profit then no one would go out of business
<chillywilly> if you can't see the distinction that I am making then there's no point in continuing this
<drochaid> you are using electricity to power a computer that you or someone else has at some point more than likely spent money on .. if you don't make a profit from some activity, how do you continue?
<chillywilly> heh, how do non-profits survive then...how do we have communities that share software and "survive"?
<chillywilly> that's not my point anyway...I am saying it is not an inherent right that you profit for your business....you may actually fail
<drochaid> non-profits survive because the people involved has a source of profit from another area
<drochaid> communities that share profit? well duh, they make a profit .. you put that in the question
<drochaid> ok, I see what you mean now... doesn't alter what I've said, just that it was irrelevant to your point ;)
<neilt> profit is the source of all GOOD in the world
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<drochaid> uhm .. well, I wouldn't have gone that far .. I also make some of my work available for free
<chillywilly> neilt: oh plz
<neilt> without profit we would not have parks, free software, free food
<neilt> free tv
<neilt> free radio
<neilt> etc
<neilt> chillywilly: you right
<neilt> i should have said 
<drochaid> you have free tv? bum .. we pay for a license for terrestrial stuffy
<neilt> profit is the source of all that is good in the world
<chillywilly> I think I havea bit different philosphy than that
<neilt> chillywilly:  you need to get out a bit more then
<chillywilly> in fact that statement makes my skin crawl
<chillywilly> neilt: back tot the insults eh?
<neilt> name something that is free and I will tell you why in depends on profit
<neilt> the truth is nothing is free
<chillywilly> yep, because there's oppurtunity cost
<chillywilly> no such thing as a free lunch
<chillywilly> yadda yadda
<drochaid> not quite true neilt .. it is possible to survive at zero cost .. just really really difficult
<chillywilly> well if you could go live in the woods and survive on the land then how do you need money?
<chillywilly> anyway, this is seriously distracting me from doing what I was doing
<neilt> chillywilly: sure, but its not free
<neilt> you have just traded
<drochaid> cause there's always a possibiility someone will tax you for using the woods
<neilt> your money for your time
<neilt> because you have to spend time growing or hunting food
<neilt> to survive
<drochaid> lol neilt
<chillywilly> oh might neilt plz explain too poor naieve chillywilly how the big bad world works as you all know I live in my own little world cut off form reality
<neilt> :)
<chillywilly> that would make you smile wouldn't it?
<neilt> money (or profit) provides most freedoms we have today
<neilt> without it we would all be working too hard to notice or care about freedom
<chillywilly> money also gives ppl too much power and allows them to buy the laws that benfit only them
<chillywilly> I always say it is a necessary evil
<neilt> yes profit can be used badly
<chillywilly> anyway, I must get this done so I can take my son somewhere
<drochaid> but your not talking about money or profit there chillywilly .. that's accountability
<chillywilly> well the FS movement is a ethical movement
<neilt> chillywilly:  how is the young one doing anyway?
<chillywilly> good
<drochaid> FS ??
<chillywilly> he wants to go to mcdaonalds
<neilt> how old now?
<chillywilly> he bugging me
<chillywilly> 4
<chillywilly> ;P
<neilt> cool, just starting the fun age
<chillywilly> FS == Free Software
<drochaid> yeah .. I got it about 3 secs after asking ;)
<chillywilly> yes :)
<chillywilly> btw, neilt I would say that God is the source for all things good in the world ;)
<neilt> that could also be true
<drochaid> not without getting into an even bigger, uhm, discussion ;)
<neilt> but then we would not have anything to argue about
<chillywilly> what would we possibly do with ourselves then?!?!?!
<neilt> exactly
<chillywilly> I was joking of course
<chillywilly> s/was/am
<neilt> :)
<neilt> me too
<neilt> i caught it the first time
<drochaid> please can I argue about something?
<drochaid> I'm bored
<chillywilly> no
<drochaid> :(
<chillywilly> you cannot
<chillywilly> ;P
<neilt> drochaid: sure
<chillywilly> arguing is hereby forbidden
<drochaid> :)
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<drochaid> lol
<chillywilly> hehe
<drochaid> I think GNUe should be written entirely in visual basic
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<chillywilly> never!
<neilt> only if we have COBOL CORBA interfaces
<drochaid> LOL
<chillywilly> they would have to hold my eyes open with toothpicks and tie me to the chair and do chinese water toture to me
<chillywilly> then maybe I would think about it
<chillywilly> ;P
<drochaid> well, just as long as we know ....
<drochaid> is there an install guide for GNUe?
<drochaid> I seem to recall somewhere on the site saying there isn't yet
<neilt> usually in the text files called INSTALL
<chillywilly> what is the date today?
<neilt> in the directory
<chillywilly> isn't it the 27th?
<neilt> yes
<drochaid> oh yeah .. with the download
<drochaid> ta
<chillywilly> how can I do bank transactions in the future then?
<chillywilly> wtf?
<chillywilly> apparently I withdrew some money on the 28th
<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> that makes a lot of sense
<chillywilly> not
<drochaid> common practice to mark transactions that take place after close on friday with the following mondays date
<drochaid> other than that .. I agree with you
<drochaid> or someones been playing with their system :)
<chillywilly> oh, ok
<chillywilly> shows what I know
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<chillywilly> hi jeff
<jbailey> Heya Daniel.
<chillywilly> dewd
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<jbailey> Pick a channel, my friend! =)
<chillywilly> psu!
<chillywilly> hehe
<psu> tis I
<jbailey> Heya psu. =)
<psu> GNUe Kc #13 is up
<jbailey> Nice =)
<chillywilly> rock on
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<chillywilly> :(
<chillywilly> keeps beeping at me
<psu> battery warning? 
<psu> msg waiting?
<chillywilly> battery
<psu> non-free s/w detected in firmware?
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> I think thye have hc11s in all these motorola phones
<chillywilly> don't think gnu/linux runs on that
<chillywilly> well screw it
<chillywilly> I am taking scotty to McDonalds
<chillywilly> bbl
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<neilt> later all
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<ra3vat> reinhard: you here?
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<reinhard> damn i missed ra3vat
<reinhard> however
<reinhard> i will miss even more now
<reinhard> probably
<reinhard> l8r all
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<psu> bbl
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<psu> quiet tonite...
<ajmitch> yeah
<ajmitch> is a little :)
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<ajmitch> oh no...
<chillywilly> oooooh yeeeeeaaaaa
<chillywilly> btw, it is not tonight it is only 3pm dag nabit ;)
<ajmitch> no, it's only 10:26am!
<chillywilly> no
<chillywilly> Sun Jan 27 15:25:28 CST 2002
<chillywilly> that's th etime
<ajmitch> Mon Jan 28 10:27:01 NZDT 2002
<chillywilly> and I'm sticking to it
<ajmitch> sorry, you're wrong
<chillywilly> nope, you're dead wrong
<ajmitch> nah
<chillywilly> yes
<chillywilly> just face it kiwi
<chillywilly> you're all washed up
<ajmitch> hah
<ajmitch> i'm not washed up, i haven't had a shower yet today :)
<chillywilly> turn in your debian CDs and hit the road
<chillywilly> ;P
<ajmitch> cds? i only have one
<ajmitch> don't need cds with debian
<chillywilly> real men make their own unstabe installation CDs ;)
<chillywilly> unstable
<ajmitch> real men install the base & install over the network
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<chillywilly> why don't the friggin testing/sid boot disks have pcmcia support?
<chillywilly> that's very annoying
<ajmitch> cos they're built for real men :P
<chillywilly> hah!
<chillywilly> real men use laptops as they cannot be away from their computer for lack of hacking
<ajmitch> real men whose network connection during install is a 2400baud null modem line
<chillywilly> you win
<chillywilly> I can't think of anything to top that
<ajmitch> hehe
<ajmitch> i might do an install using a PLIP line tho
<drochaid> it's actually Sunday 27 @ 21:33 :P
<chillywilly> aaah
<chillywilly> no
<ajmitch> drochaid: you in uk or ireland?
<drochaid> scotland
<ajmitch> ah right
<ajmitch> would love to go there ;)
<drochaid> sorry, just catching up on the conversation there ;)
<ajmitch> hehe
<drochaid> are you NZ ?
<ajmitch> yep, dunedin
<drochaid> cool .. one of my friends is moving from ireland to new zealand in like .. a couple of days now
<ajmitch> ah cool
<ajmitch> dunedin is a fairly scottish city for some reason
<drochaid> you mean it's cold and wet?
<ajmitch> fairly :)
<drochaid> heh
<ajmitch> going to use GNUe at some point?
<drochaid> trying to get it installed now
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<ajmitch> ah fun
<psu> I am eligible to play for the Scottish rugby team
<psu> other than a complete lack of talent ;-)
<drochaid> how an idiots guide would be nice right now :)
<drochaid> feasgar math psu
<ajmitch> yeah there's a player or 2 from dunedin playing for the scottish team now :)
<drochaid> psu: the lack of talent isn't necessarily a disadvantage
<ajmitch> ciamar a tha thu, drochaid?
<drochaid> :)
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<drochaid> gme mhath, ciamar a tha thu fein?
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<drochaid> *gle
<psu> the only gailic I know is the bit on the station walls at Glasgow Central railroad
<ajmitch> hehe
<drochaid> tha i fliuch an-diugh :(
<ajmitch> tha gu math (/me hopes that's spelt right)
<ajmitch> we t again?
<drochaid> that was right :)
<drochaid> on both counts .. wet again today
<ajmitch> yah, did about 6 lessons of gaelic last year :)
<psu> drochaid - at the moment, the idiot's guide is basically ask on IRC
<drochaid> heh
<psu> your friendly, interactive, idiot's guide
<ajmitch> hehe
<drochaid> well *so far* no ones told me to RTFM ..
<psu> Actually, I've never been keen on the "Idiot's Guide" terminology
<ajmitch> "if idiots could fly, IRC would be an airport" <- saw that quit message yesterday
<drochaid> I want someone to tho ... I want to point out there is no manual :)
<psu> drochaid - there's a certain amount of docs at 
<psu> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~neilt/sc.html
<psu> but most 
<psu> install problems seem to get fixed in here
<drochaid> yep .. been working through the site since I found it on Friday [GMT ;)]
<psu> The Kernel Cousins summaries I do have some useful stuff in them
<psu> but haystack -> needle.find
<drochaid> ah you do them ... 
<drochaid> wtf are kernal cousins?
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<psu> Kernel Traffic is a summary of the main Linux Kernel mailing list 
<ajmitch> drochaid: kt.zork.net
<psu> which is massive (like 5MB a day, allegedly)
<psu> Other projects, which are "cousins" of the main Linux list
<psu> have their own summaries 
<drochaid> ah righty
<psu> the GNUe ones are one of the newest
<psu> also the only one so far to cover IRC 
<psu> as well as mailing lists
<psu> (as, often, a mailing list summary for a week 
<psu> would be /dev/null)
<ajmitch> yeah, we have this great guy who does summaries for GNUe
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<drochaid> lol
<ajmitch> must take you awhile to dredge thru the drivel on IRC
<psu> It;s not too bad 
<psu> I can usually snip a day's log down to interesting stuff in about 15 mins
<ajmitch> even with chillywilly around?
<psu> Writing the summaries is the time-taker
<psu> chillywilly probably gets quoted as much as anyone
<ajmitch> heh
<psu> he's on topic more often than you seem to think ;-)
<ajmitch> more so than I ;)
<psu> The authors index shows chillywilly quoted 42 times on GNUe, plus 16 times on Hurd
<ajmitch> brb
<ajmitch> gotta use phone
<psu> ajmitch quoted 9 times
<psu> of course, the masta is the masta
<psu> 110 quotes
<psu> plus another 5 to "Derek Neigbors" 
<psu> whoever that is ;-)
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<psu> Even better, Derek Neigbors has conversations with Derek Neighbors
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<ajmitch__> back!
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<drochaid> pog mo thoin
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<ajmitch> nup
<ajmitch> what does it mean? :)
<psu> "Your mother wears army shoes"?
<ajmitch> heh
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<Remosi> rofl
<Remosi> you learning Klingon?
<ajmitch> hey jcater, Remosi
<ajmitch> Remosi: gaelic :P
<Remosi> close enough
<ajmitch> ahh, 'kiss my ass'
<jcater> 'kiss my ass'... is that a kiwi expression of affection?
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<ajmitch> jcater: no, not quite.. pity you missed the first part of the conversation :)
<jcater> ah, ok
<Remosi> does anyone know anyone who speaks fluent Klingon?
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<ajmitch> no, i don't know anyone as sad as that
<chillywilly> Remosi: you happen to see Isomer around?
<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> btw, even though I am quotes a bunch of time in the KC the sad part is that's about as much as I have sontributed in a while to GNUe :(
<drochaid> ah you found it :)
<chillywilly> just endless banter
<ajmitch> chillywilly: i've contributed less
<chillywilly> and I am also here to harass jcater, jamest, and da masta
<ajmitch> drochaid: yeah :)
<chillywilly> and for the record my Hurd PPP port has been rewritten by neal
<chillywilly> (read: ported correctly)
<chillywilly> ;)
<ajmitch> i'm just here
Nick change: Remosi -> Isomer
Action: Isomer is here for (im?)moral support :)
<ajmitch> Isomer! long time no see! :)
<Isomer> ehehehehe
<ajmitch> hehe
<Isomer> it's amazing how many people don't realise that "Remosi" is Isomer is backwards
<ajmitch> these kiwis are dodgy...
<ajmitch> Isomer: hah
<chillywilly> Isomer: that was a joke
<chillywilly> I knew you were Remosi
<Isomer> yeah, I know you do
<Isomer> but quite a few other people don't ever seem to make the connection
<Isomer> then make fools of themselves talking about me to me behind my back :)
<ajmitch> haha
<ajmitch> they dare to make a fool of the might undernet ruler? ;)
<Isomer> and seeing their reaction when it finally dawns upon them is quite entertaining too
<chillywilly> hehe
Nick change: chillywilly -> ylliwyllihc
<Isomer> Ylliwyllihc!
<Isomer> hrm
<ylliwyllihc> ssssh
<Isomer> not quite the same
<Isomer> :)
<jcater> ew
<jcater> sounds discusting
<Isomer> WarmFred?
<ajmitch> sounds welsh ;)
<ylliwyllihc> oj retacj
<ylliwyllihc> s/oj/ok
Nick change: jcater -> dog
<dog> get it?
Nick change: ylliwyllihc -> chillywilly
Nick change: dog -> jcater
Nick change: jcater -> dogimed
<dogimed> hehe
<dogimed> now I sound like an ambulence service
<dogimed> for dogs
Nick change: dogimed -> jcater
<ajmitch> hehe
Action: chillywilly doesn't get it
<chillywilly> dog?
<chillywilly> sup dog
<jcater> hgis
<jcater> err, sigh
<chillywilly> anyway
<chillywilly> just have another donut
<chillywilly> you really think I ma that slow?
<ajmitch> uh huh
<chillywilly> plzzzzzz
<chillywilly> nigga plz
<ajmitch> excuse me?
<chillywilly> you don't speak ebonics?
<ajmitch> nope
Action: Isomer DCC's ajmitch the source
<ajmitch> heh
<Isomer> #include <rants/standard/nat.rant>
<Isomer> hmm
<ajmitch> yes
<chillywilly> no
<Isomer> maybe
<ajmitch> maybe
<chillywilly> heh
<ajmitch> hah
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<ajmitch> byebye psu
<chillywilly> he's outty
<ajmitch> i know :)
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<chillywilly> sup Mr_You
<Mr_You> hi
<Mr_You> will check out the new release shortly
<jcater> Mr_You: if you use designer. cvs is already far superior to the recent release
<jcater> cvs designer is probably releasable as we speak ;)
<chillywilly> ;)
<drochaid> GUYS ... I LOVE YOU ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
<jcater> hmmm
<jcater> don't say that too loud
<jcater> my wife may hear
<drochaid> now, gonna tell me how to use forms designer so I don't have to read the pdf ;)
<chillywilly> nope
<drochaid> aww
<chillywilly> j/k
<chillywilly> ask jcater
<ajmitch> hehe
<chillywilly> ;)
<jcater> sigh
<chillywilly> lol
<jcater> you actually caught me on the way out, 
<ajmitch> ah well, chillywilly can help then
<chillywilly> heh
<jcater> but the first thing you will need to do is create datsasources
<chillywilly> yea right
<drochaid> I just got common happy on mdk8.1 .. and python, pypgsql, forms and designer happy on win2k
<drochaid> I've got a live datasource to a pgsql db
<drochaid> it's picked up the schema
<jcater> I'll be back in a few
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<ajmitch> ooh
<ajmitch> fancy :)
Action: ajmitch just has a simple setup here to play with
<drochaid> I've only got 5 machines on my home lan :P
<drochaid> I'm not really that techy
<ajmitch> i have 3, plus another to hook up sometime
<drochaid> heh
<ajmitch> all pcs tho :(
<ajmitch> i want some variety
<ajmitch> besides, all the ones that are on the lan run some form of debian
<chillywilly> damn
<chillywilly> the pthread_t is not what I want
<drochaid> heh .. I finally got round to downloading debian last week, still to try it tho
<chillywilly> how can I get the LWP pid of a pthread?
<chillywilly> anyone?
<ajmitch> yeah, one GNU/Linux-only, one GNU/Hurd only, one dual-boot :)
<drochaid> i run win2k, mdk8.1, slack8.0 win98 and a firewall
<chillywilly> this is gay
<chillywilly> getpid()?
<chillywilly> hmmm
<ajmitch> dunno, you figure it out :)
Action: chillywilly chomps on ajmitch
Action: ajmitch plays with forms & designer
<chillywilly> Linux does threads very stupidly
<ajmitch> drochaid: you wanting to know how to use designer?
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<ajmitch> hey neilt
<drochaid> I am ajmitch
<ajmitch> no, _i'm_ ajmitch ;)
<drochaid> I thought I was being cocky asking rather than reading the pdf .. but I just discovered it's all "ToDo" :)
<drochaid> bleh
<drochaid> I am, ajmitch ;P
<ajmitch> haha
<ajmitch> yeah, i'm trying to see how to use it properly :)
<drochaid> I just got part of it
<drochaid> looked at a sample form to see what the various bitties are called
<ajmitch> hopefully jcater will return & disclose all
<drochaid> hmm .. I can't seem to edit/alter the fields for the entry type :/
<neilt> hello ajmitch
<Mr_You> I hope FreeBSD v5.x SMP rocks
<Mr_You> the bulk of the work is derived from BSDi/OS
<Mr_You> so what do you guys think about Adrian Bunks comments?
<ajmitch> dunno, what'd 'e say? :)
<Mr_You> http://www.debianplanet.org/article.php?sid=581
<Mr_You> he reited from debian package development
<ajmitch> ah that
<Mr_You> cause he felt no one was making an effort to freeze their packages
<ajmitch> yeah
<Mr_You> ie. no woody release anytime soon
<ajmitch> the freeze is going a little slowly ;)
<Mr_You> I like the idea of trimming down the "base" for quicker releases
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<Yurik> re
<ajmitch> yo
<Yurik> ajmitch hi
<Mr_You> hi yurik
<Yurik> Mr_You hi
<Mr_You> makes you wonder... without the large # of volunteers debian packages wouldn't exist
<Mr_You> no large commercial entity contributes which could make a difference in that.. and could happen
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<gemcat> i wish i could help - do you have specs?
<gemcat> i am trying to learn xml
<gemcat> chaou
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<chillywilly> anyone home?
<ajmitch> nope
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<derek> nobody home......
<chillywilly> :(
<derek> rdean: i think that brother of yours has gone 'mute'
<derek> he no longer speaks
<derek> but at least he still commits code
<ajmitch> nah, he talked in #dcl earlier
<chillywilly> is that how da masta wants it?
<chillywilly> keep your head down and code....no talking...
<ajmitch> chillywilly: you would do well to follow that advice then...
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> I am debuggin threads
<chillywilly> it si tons of fun
<chillywilly> not!
<rdean> :-)
<chillywilly> s/is/isn't
<chillywilly> i.e., isn't that how da masta wants it? ;)
<chillywilly> my bad
<chillywilly> ajmitch: I choose you!
<rdean> when I get rolling, I don't usually talk too much.
<rdean> if I'm talking, usually means I'm not on a roll :-)
Action: chillywilly listens to jcater.ogg
<chillywilly> well there was just a 15 minte gap there
<chillywilly> so you draw your own conclusions
<chillywilly> ;)
<chillywilly> I hate how Linux does threads
<chillywilly> it is stupis
<chillywilly> stupid
<rdean> how so?
<rdean> argh...ML8.2b1 download taking forever!
Action: rdean is dl'ing 8.2 because 8.1 doesn't like my new printer (HP 940C).  Of course, I'm not attached to my new printer, so I might take it back to the store and get an Epson C80.
<chillywilly> Mandrake?
<rdean> I can get 940c to work using IJS, but printerdrake doesn't like user-installed print drivers apparently
<chillywilly> bah
<ajmitch> use debian
<chillywilly> :)
<chillywilly> ajmitch: you beat me to it
<ajmitch> it's the only way to fly
<rdean> debian? I'm not into stable. :-)
<chillywilly> then run sid
<chillywilly> (unstable)
<ajmitch> it'd goood stuff :)
<chillywilly> good stuff maynard ;)
<ajmitch> if you're more daring run Debian GNU/Hurd (unstable) :)
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<rdean> I'm going to try Mandrake again.  I have a goal of getting the 940 to work before I ditch it for a C80 (better photo quality)
<chillywilly> hmmm
<chillywilly> you look at http://www.linuxprinting.org?
<rdean> yes...it doesn't account for printerdrake. :-)
<chillywilly> and CUPS is nice too...dunno about drivers for the 940C
<ajmitch> why bother with printerdrake?
<chillywilly> some ppl need their hand held ajmitch ;)
<rdean> I like things to at least be easy (3 kids, long daily commute = lack of time)
<rdean> printerdrake makes things easy
<chillywilly> last I remember CUSP had a nice easy web configuration system
<chillywilly> er, CUPS
<rdean> KUPS makes things easy, too, but I also had issues with it
<ajmitch> vim & emacs make things easy!
<rdean> (e.g., tell it 600dpi and it gives me 300dpi)
<ajmitch> no flashy guis needed, just edit the config files ;)
<chillywilly> be a man
<chillywilly> edit the config files ;)
<chillywilly> j/k
<rdean> takes too much time...I managed to get it to work by editing the config files and turning on the debug to figure out what was wrong
<rdean> but it took too much time
<rdean> I'd rather spend my time on other things
<chillywilly> and you did not dave you config file?
<chillywilly> save
<chillywilly> cvs is good for that ;)
<rdean> yes, I saved it, but it still had issues with dpi
<chillywilly> cause most new printers are not supported very well unfrotunately
<rdean> C80 is supposedly supported excellently under gimp-print
<chillywilly> we need HP to get more involved in the community ;)
<chillywilly> ok
<rdean> the biggest issue I had with the 940 is that I had to download a new version of ghostscript and install the new ijs interface into it...but after that, it broke something in the font support
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<Nelg> Hi
<rdean> hi
<chillywilly> ello
<rdean> looks like my downloads are not going to be done before bedtime, so I think I'm going to pause them and play some rtcw
<Nelg> just been looking at GNUe form builder screenshots and stuff.  
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<chillywilly> mmmmm.....pizza.....
<Nelg> was wondering if anyone has thought of building it into evolution?  would be really handy to have some sort of database tool in that.. and GNUe looks like that tool
<chillywilly> masta: no pizza for you!
<chillywilly> ;P
Action: chillywilly is the pizza nazi
<derek> http://www.insanepictures.com/jk.shtml?1251.htm
<derek> Nelg: yes and no
<derek> evolution is overtly 'complex' for it does
<chillywilly> evilution?!?
<chillywilly> nice list masta ;)
<derek> dsmith: looked into it and it is somewhat poorly architected to play well with others
<derek> i am looking at taking slypheed (sp)
<derek> and adding gnue screens for it for some things
<derek> Nelg: thats not to say there is no interest in exploring things further w/ evolution
<derek> just most of the developers here felt it was not time well spent as they had other pressing issues to solve
<chillywilly> *  When the photocopier doesn't work, call computer support. There's electronics in it.
<chillywilly> hehe
<derek> i liked the one about send job 20 times
<derek> then if doesnt work send to all printers in company :)
<chillywilly> haha
Action: derek has to run for a bit
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<Nelg> ok
<chillywilly> heh
<Nelg> yeah, just been reading that joke Derek.. pretty funny
<chillywilly> bunch of crack heads us GNUe ppl are
<chillywilly> man I hate threads
<chillywilly> death to threads!
Action: chillywilly bangs head on monitor
<chillywilly> I can't stop the voices!!!
<Nelg> why I was asking about evolution is that, what I need, is some simple app that will allow a basic flatfile database to be created, and a form for it made to insert stuff.  for example, password lists, server lists, etc... and to intergrate it into some common products.  Evolution is pretty big tho
<chillywilly> I need tunes
<Nelg> xmms?
<chillywilly> for now...
<chillywilly> maybe I'll play with gstreamer one of these days
<Nelg> I've not heard of that one
<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> this mp3 hiccuped
<Nelg> hiccuped?  reading it off a CD?
<chillywilly> no
<chillywilly> just one that  downloaded off of gnutella network
<Nelg> oh.. some of them do that.
<chillywilly> shit happens
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<derek> Nelg: you might look into LDAP
<derek> gnue could definitely do password list, server list and such very easily
<derek> but it would be database driven not flat file
<derek> unless you were interested in writing a flate file driver for common :)
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<Nelg> derek:  was thinking maybe libdb, db2, or ldap as the backend DB..  or even MySQL...  
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